[tw5] Re: TW5 adaptation: Simple Note Index

[PLATO]

Don't know how to use it?

在 2018年4月22日星期日 UTC+8上午3:45:11，David Gifford写道：
>
> Hi all
>
> Since a few of you helped me today, I am sharing the results here, a very 
> specific adaptation of TiddlyWiki for quickly generating and automatically 
> indexing simple notes on books and other sources by topic and subtopic. 
> Easier to show it than to explain it. 
>
> http://giffmex.org/tw.adaptations/sni.template.html
>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Mat]

Thanks willw

The cause? It was CORS. Of course!
>
>
OK, I find your instrux on github... but I believe I already had CORS set 
up. In the bluemix-cloudant dashboard:





...or would you say this is not correct? Are there more CORS settings?

Thank you!

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Sorting table of contents by multiple parameters

[TonyM]

Fadel,

As a little side note/brain dump, since what you are doing here is 
effectively altering the order of items tagging a given tiddler you can use 
the show as tag pill.


{{TableOfContents||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}
or use the macro
<>

The Popup list of items tagging TableOfContents is thus sort-able using 
drag and drop, try it. I always install the Open All 
plugin $:/plugins/ajh/openall (I am trying to locate the Source) which adds 
the ability to open all items so tagged from the Tag pill popup.
Note: all tiddlers tagged with the current tiddler can also be found in 
Info button tagging, however by default this is not drag-able (as yet).

Once you have a populated list in the relevant tiddler eg TableOfContents 
in the "list" field you could perhaps provide alternate ways to sort the 
items in this list with a click. Alpha, date field etc.. I am yet to 
explore this in detail.

If you use the macrocall method to invoke the tag macro you can make this 
use the current tiddler
<$macrocall $name="tag" tag=<>/>
Thus this can be placed in a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate to appear 
in all tiddlers.

Alternatively I have just placed <$macrocall $name="tag" 
tag=<>/> in the core tiddler $:/
core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle 
NB: This will over ride the shadow tiddler.

Wrapping it in the following, it will only show if the current tiddler tags 
at least one tiddler.

<$list filter="[is[current]tagging[]limit[1]]" variable=null>
<$macrocall $name="tag" tag=<>/>


I hope this gives you some thing to play with.

Regards
Tony



On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 2:32:03 AM UTC+10, Fadel M wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> From what I understand, the default sort for the table of contents is by 
> the *created* field. The *list* field overrides the sort by putting the 
> listed tiddler titles on top in listed order.
>
> What I'd like to achieve is to sort the contents by title, but keep the 
> ability of the *list* field to prioritize some of the tiddlers. I'm not 
> sure how to do this, since I'm not very familiar with the inner workings. 
>
> The way I imagine it is by populating the *list *field as below
> list: Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 sort[title] Tiddler200 Tiddler300
>
> But of course, this doesn't work. Could anyone point me in the right 
> direction?
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Clarification of lists with current tiddler

[TonyM]

Jed,

It is true that accessing the nth tiddlers info your be tricky, but just 
being able to access the 0th would be enough to make big changes. By this I 
am referring to the tiddler in the face of the user. The logical place they 
are at, the item listed in the story. This makes me think perhaps we can 
come at it from another approach.

Personally, It is not if it is core or not, just that a strait forward 
system exists to reference all fields in the 0th, N-1 and N

If I understand BJ's suggestion its like the push and pop idea where the 
list pushes items onto a list and pop steps back one item on the list. 
Using stack metaphors.

As far as I can see although this may very well be helpful, the key 
references will usually be the 0th, the Nth and the N-1th if you wish to 
start referencing this such as N-2th or 5th etc... in another iteration, to 
make the code understandable, then it is more reasonable to start using 
additional variables etc...

Taking BJ's idea to push and pop his example pops to one layer before and 
that happens to be the 0th layer. This is a great example of the N-1th, 
note all we *need* is a way to reference the 0th without popping (imagine 
we are 3-4 deep)

So on further consideration what if; as Jed said we had a "convenient 
shorthand"
An enhancement to the <$list widget perhaps using a parameter, would allow 
us to request a push (of the references) of the containing tiddler to a 
stack, and then where ever you are in the nested lists you can either 
reference 0th or N-1th field values and/or use pop (one or more or N 
times). In reality a push need only be the storage of containing 
tiddler-title, if subsequently we have a way of referencing the fields and 
values from anywhere of that tiddlername. Basically the :N is replaced with 
the appropriate tiddler title.

As an example (not literal) {{:-1!!fieldname}}  {{:-N!!fieldname}}  
{{:0!!fieldname:0}} including [[:N!!fieldname]] [[pretty|:N!!fieldname]] 
[[pretty|:0!!fieldname]] especially  [[pretty|:0!!title]]

Of course we could perhaps call these "relative tiddler names".

Alternatively we  store the tiddlersname by name eg <$list push="parent" 
make the tiddlertitle calling this list be stored as parent. Then you can 
reference {{:parent!!fieldname}}

Perhaps some of Mario's uni-link tech could effectively provide dynamic 
relative aliases.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 12:38:40 AM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It may be possible to add something like this to the core, but it wouldn't 
> be straight forward. The biggest problem is determining where the outer 
> containing tiddler is, like if you have multiple lists inside each other 
> how do you determine which containing tiddler you want? It would have to be 
> an nth parent sort of thing and I am not certain that would be any simpler 
> to use than what we have now.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Create new tiddler from template fill title an jump to text field

[Craig Chandler]

Add your field in the  action-sendmessage parameters, ie:

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" param="MyTemplate" 
title="NewTitle" myField="my field value" />


On Sunday, 22 April 2018 22:13:38 UTC+9:30, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Sorry to drag this back up but I'm a bear of little brain. 
>
> I get that this can make a new tiddler with a title entered into the 
> presented field box... 
>
> Can this be extended to ask for some more fields which get filled in in 
> the new tiddler too? 
>
> Stephen
>
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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[willw]

Mat

I had similar problems with failed logins on moving from cloudant to IBM 
bluemix. It's working now, with Danielo's help.

The cause? It was CORS. Of course!


My instructions for configuring CORS are posted March 18th on this github 
issue (with links to IBM documentation):
https://github.com/NoteSelf/NoteSelf.github.io/issues/52

I couldn't find a way to configure CORS through the dashboard GUI menus so 
ended up using a few lines of Python code to do the set up via their API.

The forced migration from Cloudant's friendly service was a shame, 
especially to lose the simple named account. IBM's bluemix with it's 
cryptic username and confusing setup is off-putting, but I'd encourage you 
to persist. 

I find Noteself to be a fantastic way to sync up tiddly notes and have 
everything backed up, including past revisions, on a cloud db.

Will

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:56:04 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
>  attempt with my Bluemix username (i.e my email address) and then the db 
> name, i.e "foobar", and the password to my Bluemix account... and get this 
> popup as reply:
>
>
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: Sorting table of contents by multiple parameters

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think you would have to re-write the macro. There is a sort argument for 
the macro, but it would get applied at every sub-level so wouldn't be 
useful unless you only have one level of tiddlers.

-- Mark

On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 1:04:04 PM UTC-7, Fadel M wrote:
>
> Thanks for replying! That's a good way to do it.
>
> Ah, so there's no way to do it without excluding the unsorted tiddlers 
> from the sort?
> I can't understand how the default sort does it though. You just have to 
> write the name of the tiddlers you want first in the *list* field, and 
> the rest are automatically sorted by *created*. Is it just that it's a 
> more low level thing than toc macros?
>
> Also, while this solution is more than enough for my purposes, I'm curious 
> as to whether there is a way to do it automatically without a button? 
> Perhaps by modifying the way the macro works?
>
> On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 10:29:12 PM UTC+3, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> If you want to use the existing toc macros then you will need to modify 
>> the list field of your root (top) tiddler.  Here's an example that 
>> rearranges the default listing for HelloThere on tiddlywiki.com, :-) 
>> putting Examples first, and Discover TiddlyWiki last.
>>
>> <$button> <$action-listops $tiddler=HelloThere $field="list" 
>> $filter="Examples [tag[HelloThere]![Examples]![Discover TiddlyWiki]sort[]] 
>> [[Discover TiddlyWiki]]"/> Populate 'myfield'  
>>
>>
>> For your situation,  you will need some way to discriminate sorted 
>> tiddlers from non- sorted tiddlers. Then you can use a filter in your 
>> button like
>>
>> Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 [tag[sorted]sort[title]] Tiddler200 
>>
>> --Mark
>> On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 9:32:03 AM UTC-7, Fadel M wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> From what I understand, the default sort for the table of contents is by 
>>> the *created* field. The *list* field overrides the sort by putting the 
>>> listed tiddler titles on top in listed order.
>>>
>>> What I'd like to achieve is to sort the contents by title, but keep the 
>>> ability of the *list* field to prioritize some of the tiddlers. I'm not 
>>> sure how to do this, since I'm not very familiar with the inner workings. 
>>>
>>> The way I imagine it is by populating the *list *field as below
>>> list: Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 sort[title] Tiddler200 Tiddler300
>>>
>>> But of course, this doesn't work. Could anyone point me in the right 
>>> direction?
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] HammerWidgets UPDATE

[Jan]

Hi Simon,
This is an enormous step forward!
eeenormoouus.  great.  thanks.

I think it will take me half a year to accomplish this Cecily-Thing ... 
but I will go for it.


Yours Jan


Am 21.04.2018 um 18:36 schrieb BurningTreeC:


Hi Simon,
I guess the bottom-right edge would be sufficient...and perhaps it
only adjusts the width leaving height to auto.


@Jan , the pan widget now has a demo that does moving + resizing


I guess you already encountered Jeremies kind of secret cecilyView

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/cecily


Perhaps the panfunction could be used to make it work at last...

Hm, I know it ... I was thinking about something like this ... 
tiddlers can be positioned everywhere and moved around


With the pan widget, the dynaview plugin and the new css improvements 
of the prerelease, anyone could try making that happen


Simon
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[tw5] Re: Sorting table of contents by multiple parameters

[Fadel M]

Thanks for replying! That's a good way to do it.

Ah, so there's no way to do it without excluding the unsorted tiddlers from 
the sort?
I can't understand how the default sort does it though. You just have to 
write the name of the tiddlers you want first in the *list* field, and the 
rest are automatically sorted by *created*. Is it just that it's a more low 
level thing than toc macros?

Also, while this solution is more than enough for my purposes, I'm curious 
as to whether there is a way to do it automatically without a button? 
Perhaps by modifying the way the macro works?

On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 10:29:12 PM UTC+3, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If you want to use the existing toc macros then you will need to modify 
> the list field of your root (top) tiddler.  Here's an example that 
> rearranges the default listing for HelloThere on tiddlywiki.com, :-) 
> putting Examples first, and Discover TiddlyWiki last.
>
> <$button> <$action-listops $tiddler=HelloThere $field="list" 
> $filter="Examples [tag[HelloThere]![Examples]![Discover TiddlyWiki]sort[]] 
> [[Discover TiddlyWiki]]"/> Populate 'myfield'  
>
>
> For your situation,  you will need some way to discriminate sorted 
> tiddlers from non- sorted tiddlers. Then you can use a filter in your 
> button like
>
> Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 [tag[sorted]sort[title]] Tiddler200 
>
> --Mark
> On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 9:32:03 AM UTC-7, Fadel M wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> From what I understand, the default sort for the table of contents is by 
>> the *created* field. The *list* field overrides the sort by putting the 
>> listed tiddler titles on top in listed order.
>>
>> What I'd like to achieve is to sort the contents by title, but keep the 
>> ability of the *list* field to prioritize some of the tiddlers. I'm not 
>> sure how to do this, since I'm not very familiar with the inner workings. 
>>
>> The way I imagine it is by populating the *list *field as below
>> list: Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 sort[title] Tiddler200 Tiddler300
>>
>> But of course, this doesn't work. Could anyone point me in the right 
>> direction?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Sorting table of contents by multiple parameters

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If you want to use the existing toc macros then you will need to modify the 
list field of your root (top) tiddler.  Here's an example that rearranges 
the default listing for HelloThere on tiddlywiki.com, :-) putting Examples 
first, and Discover TiddlyWiki last.

<$button> <$action-listops $tiddler=HelloThere $field="list" 
$filter="Examples [tag[HelloThere]![Examples]![Discover TiddlyWiki]sort[]] 
[[Discover TiddlyWiki]]"/> Populate 'myfield'  


For your situation,  you will need some way to discriminate sorted tiddlers 
from non- sorted tiddlers. Then you can use a filter in your button like

Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 [tag[sorted]sort[title]] Tiddler200 

--Mark
On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 9:32:03 AM UTC-7, Fadel M wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> From what I understand, the default sort for the table of contents is by 
> the *created* field. The *list* field overrides the sort by putting the 
> listed tiddler titles on top in listed order.
>
> What I'd like to achieve is to sort the contents by title, but keep the 
> ability of the *list* field to prioritize some of the tiddlers. I'm not 
> sure how to do this, since I'm not very familiar with the inner workings. 
>
> The way I imagine it is by populating the *list *field as below
> list: Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 sort[title] Tiddler200 Tiddler300
>
> But of course, this doesn't work. Could anyone point me in the right 
> direction?
>

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets UPDATE

[BurningTreeC]

The Widgets are now bundled as a plugin on 
http://hammerwidgets.tiddlyspot.com

There's also a new demo for dragging tiddlers freely through the story 
river :P


Look for the $:/panmacros tiddler to see a macro the lets you make any 
element movable

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[tw5] Sorting table of contents by multiple parameters

[Fadel M]

Hi,

>From what I understand, the default sort for the table of contents is by 
the *created* field. The *list* field overrides the sort by putting the 
listed tiddler titles on top in listed order.

What I'd like to achieve is to sort the contents by title, but keep the 
ability of the *list* field to prioritize some of the tiddlers. I'm not 
sure how to do this, since I'm not very familiar with the inner workings. 

The way I imagine it is by populating the *list *field as below
list: Tiddler1 Tiddler2 Tiddler3 sort[title] Tiddler200 Tiddler300

But of course, this doesn't work. Could anyone point me in the right 
direction?

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[tw5] Re: Create new tiddler from template fill title an jump to text field

[Ste Wilson]

Yeah. The clone tiddler has been my goto button but this could be.. Shinier :D

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Re: [tw5] Re: TW5 adaptation: Simple Note Index

[David Gifford]

The basic process is this:

1) Read a book and take notes or highlight or underline.

2) In my adaptation, add the author and book title in the field on the
front page (HQ). This will speed things up in the next step.

3) Go back through the book and create a note for each thing you want to
keep track of. The authortitle field will already be populated with what
you put in the field in step 2. Add page # and the two levels of topics the
note naturally falls under (e.g., Diabetes, and Diabetes diet tips). In the
text field, replace 'Entry' with the actual note. Done, unless you want to
replace the datetime stamp with a title, which is optional.

4) If you don't currently have a tiddler for the data in your 'topic1'
field, click the green menu button and create one. Just paste your title
(ie, Diabetes) and save. If you want to have an even higher level of
topics, called domains (in this case, Health), then use tagging to add a
third level. The note you created on diabetes should appear in the Diabetes
tiddler under the heading 'Diabetes diet tips'. The author, title and page
number appear in gray text after the note itself. And the blue diamond that
acts as a bullet also is a link to the note tiddler, in case you have to
edit it.

5) So as you add notes you are also indexing your notes by topic and
subtopic (and domains if you like).

6) When you need to review notes, you can search in the list of topics on
the front page and open the one you want. If you used tags, there is a link
to a list of tags, too.

I did this because I want to index my books, using short blurbs that refer
to the contents of a section in a book, like 'Chart of basic food groups'
or 'Great quote on friendship' or 'Nice definition of chiasm'. Since I
doubt it will scale, I intend to use several files, depending on the topic
of the book.

It is not meant for pasting quotes from books and other sources. I have a
different adaptation for that, which I call GiffMarks.
http://giffmex.org/giffmarks.html. That is a bit more sophisticated than
this Simple Note Index. It creates the lists of quotes by topic, but also
creates lists of links to topics within the tiddlers for each book or
source.

You might wonder why I bothered creating the Simple index if I already had
GiffMarks. The Simple index lets me add the other data BEFORE I think of
the topic and subtopic. It is easier on the mind. Whereas Giffmarks
requires thinking through the topic first, then adding the data. I like
both systems, but I have to be in different moods to do them. Simple index
is for rapid indexing of books I have already finished, which is easier for
physical books. Giffmarks is for leisurely adding great quotes from good
books as I read, on electronic books that allow me to copy and paste.

Hope that helps. I may just go and cut and paste some of the above into the
instructions tiddler. Thanks for drawing it out of me! Blessings.

David Gifford
Mexico team leader, Mexico City

*Resonate Global Mission*
*Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
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On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 8:51 PM, TonyM  wrote:

> David,
>
> Thanks for Sharing,
>
> However I am not sure where to start in your example.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, 22 April 2018 05:45:11 UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Since a few of you helped me today, I am sharing the results here, a very
>> specific adaptation of TiddlyWiki for quickly generating and automatically
>> indexing simple notes on books and other sources by topic and subtopic.
>> Easier to show it than to explain it.
>>
>> http://giffmex.org/tw.adaptations/sni.template.html
>>
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[tw5] Re: Create new tiddler from template fill title an jump to text field

[TonyM]

Ste,

Yes I belive it can be extended and there are other alternatives but also 
consider creating a tiddler automaticaly open in edit mode, changing the title 
and adding and editing fields. I often use clone tiddler to this end, and are 
building and finding tools to help manage fields.

Regards
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Clarification of lists with current tiddler

[TonyM]

Thanks Jed,

You have done two things for me, provided a resonable solution and confirmed I 
was not imagining things.

With respect to all the greatness of tiddlywiki this is to me a gap that must 
be filled, because I for one, and I suspect many others, expected a more direct 
approach to exist, so its absence was screwing with my mind, it took months for 
me to be able to even ask this simple question and in the mean time I have run 
down many rabit holes for many hours not to mention, once desperate, posting in 
the forum wondering why the solutions were never strait forward.

Unfortunatly intelegent people expect or assume that such simple requirements 
can already be satisfied in a consistent and comprehencive way in any 
sophisticated tool. 

I am comming to expect I will find a few more as my expertise grows but such 
gaps really make the learning curve much steeper. I expect this issue alone 
complicates a lot of user coding, but is also forcing solutions to be 
convoluted. It is insidious because it is almost imposible to craft search 
keywords for something that is missing.

I would like to be corrected if I am wrong about this but I would prefer it to 
be fixed.

Thank you and 
Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Create new tiddler from template fill title an jump to text field

[Ste Wilson]

Sorry to drag this back up but I'm a bear of little brain. 

I get that this can make a new tiddler with a title entered into the presented 
field box... 

Can this be extended to ask for some more fields which get filled in in the new 
tiddler too? 

Stephen

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[tw5] Re: how's tiddlyclip?

[BJ]

Tiddlyclip is designed to remove docking info when a tiddlywiki is removed 
(in anyway) from the browser. Any other behavior would take some effort to 
program.
On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 12:21:05 PM UTC+2, Costi Budai wrote:
>
> Works perfect now, thanks.
>
> Only inconvenient is that refreshing/reloading the TW page it will clear 
> the "tiddlyclip rightclick menu". Each time I reopen it I have to redo the 
> "dock here" setting/setup.
> Is there any persistent config for this?
>
> PS: I'm running TW on Node.js.
>
>
> On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 2:38:55 PM UTC+3, BJ wrote:
>>
>>
>> HI Costi,
>>
>> I use tiddlyclip with opera, I am on version 49 of opera (on ubuntu 
>> 14.04). It needs to be installed as an unpacked extension and the box "Allow 
>> access to file URLs" needs to be ticked. download the zip from here 
>> https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip/releases. (and unzip)
>>
>> If you are doing a lot of clipping you may want to also use the 
>> savetiddlers extension - https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers/releases 
>> - it also needs to be installed as an unpacked extension.
>>
>> BJ
>>
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Clarification of lists with current tiddler

[BJ]

may be we could have a 'pop' widget

http://bjhacks.tiddlyspot.com/#pop%20example

On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 4:29:41 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Perhaps this answer is already in my mind but I wish to state it 
> succinctly and see if a more experienced TiddlyWiki Fan can state a simple 
> answer. Question contained within the examples
>
> *Case 1. Standard behaviour and use*
> <$list filter="a filter">
> Allows {{!!fieldname}} references including {{!!title}} and 
> <> changes with each title in the <$list
> Can no longer access the Calling Tiddlers values with {{!!fieldname}} 
> references including {{!!title}}
> 
>
> *Case 2. Retain access to the calling tiddler *
> <$list filter="a filter" variable=mytitle>
> Allows {{!!fieldname}} references including {{!!title}} and 
> <> will not change, ie uses the tiddlers values where the 
> list is called.
> Refer to title as <>
> 
>
> *Note:*
> In the above two cases the field references of the form {{!!fieldname}} 
> change from the calling to the listed tiddler
>
> *Question*
> In the cases above what is the* best way t*o access the values of the 
> calling or listed tiddlers fields?
>
> Case 1. Reference the fields of tiddler who's title is available in the 
> calling tiddler
> Case 2. Reference the fields of tiddler who's title is available in the 
> <>
>
> Of course an added complication is when you want to use the title or field 
> name and value in widgets, filters, variables within these <$lists we need 
> to use alternate ways to reference said field values. Thus it It gets 
> awfully complex quickly and it is taking a lot of time for me to deeply 
> learn this.
>
> What do I need to know so I do not have to research how every time to use 
> the correct reference method?
>
>
> Here is a method I use that others may want to know.
>
>
> *My Special use case of a variable I do not use for logical (display or 
> dont display contents)*
> <$list filter="a filter" variable=null>
> Allows {{!!fieldname}} references including {{!!title}} and 
> <> will not change, ie uses the tiddlers values where the 
> <$list is called.
> Useful for cases where the filter is simply a test as to determine if the 
> content is displayed, 
> Tend not to use <>
> Can add to the filter limit[1] if the filter can result in more than one 
> value.
> 
> You can nest multiple lists all with the variable null
> A Common filter seems to be "[is[current]] -[[no]]" to display 
> if fieldname has a value of "yes"
>
> Thanks in advance
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

['Vytas' via TiddlyWiki]

As a new TiddlyWiki user, I also find the possibility of "renaming tiddlers 
without breaking the links" to be significant. That's why I think this 
discussion is both very interesting and important! 

>From the BEGINNER's perspective, with the following points, I'd argue for 
the SIMPLEST possible method of "renaming tiddlers without breaking the 
links":

a) *LINKING* is the *FIRST* thing you want to start doing once you become a 
user of TiddlyWiki. 
b) The *SIMPLEST* thing to do is to use the simplest linking syntax: *[[Tiddler 
title]]*.
c) Especially in the beginning, you *WILL WANT* to *RENAME* tiddlers, since 
you have not developed the naming system yet.
d) You begin with simple things, that's why, in the beginning, you *WILL 
NOT* care/know much about *captions, subtitles, aliases, UUIDs,* linking 
via "link-fields" (proposal by Jeremy), problem solving macros/plugins and 
so on. 
e) You SEE your tiddler TITLE all the time (its text is large and comes in 
front) and you try to use it immediately. It is both the representative for 
the content of your tiddler and the identifier of your tiddler (to produce 
links).

In recent weeks, I have gained a little bit experience in TiddlyWiki and 
I've also noticed that the creation dates are almost unique. That is why, 
having read the posts in this thread, I'd like to say that the following 
views by Mark and Tony resonate with me:  

*Mark S*. wrote: "My general formulation for unique titles is  
 []"

*TonyM* wrote: "In addition to your suggestion a "New Tiddler macro" or 
current tiddler "set ID" that assigns an ID in an additional field at 
creation time (see alternate below) could be used when and only when a 
tiddler needs to be referenced. An Edit toolbar helper like the current 
insert {{-}} or [[-]] or excise tool that inserts the <> from the 
selected  tiddler name would also make this almost transparent."


If, as Jeremy points, *a)* enforcing of TWO uniquely-valued fields (title 
and id) per tiddler would be too expensive, and *b)* UUIDs are typically 
unreadable, one could then elaborate on Mark's and Tony's ideas and:

   1. Have an ID field created automatically at the creation time of 
   tiddler, or, to improve readability of IDs, have a button in the edit 
   toolbar which would create an ID (for the tiddler with title "First tiddler 
   title" and creation time "20180422140830123") of the following form: 
   "2018-04-08-First-tiddler-title-14:08:30-123ms". If you are not satisfied 
   with some abstract automatically generated ID, you could then press that 
   button at the time when you are about to create your first link to the 
   tiddler under consideration (or whenever you think the current title of the 
   tiddler is suitable to generate the ID from). [After pressing the button, a 
   warning could also pop up, explaining that changing the id would break the 
   existing links.] 
   2. Have a second button in the edit toolbar that would replace the 
   selection Actual tiddler title with <$list 
   
filter=[field:id[2018-04-08-First-tiddler-title-14:08:30-123ms]!has[draft.of]] 
   />.

Vytas

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

[Kalmir]

Mark S.,

thanks a lot, works like a charm!

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 9:50:31 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Part Deux,
>
> To make things easier, type $:/tags/EditTemplate into the "shadows" tab of 
> the advanced search.
>
> Click on
>
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/title
>
> and clone it. Rename the clone as 
>
>
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/subtitle
>
> and replace it's contents with:
>
>
> <$edit-text field="subtitle" class="tc-titlebar tc-edit-texteditor" 
> focus="true" placeholder="Subtitle Editor"/>
>
>
> Save the tiddler. This creates a special item for editing the subtitle and 
> gives it a placeholder value. We want to make it prominent at the top. From 
> the advanced search click on
>
>
> $:/tags/EditTemplate
>
>
> Go down to the "list" field. Copy and paste the $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/title 
> in place. Then change the first $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/title  to 
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/subtitle.
>
>
> Save the tiddler.
>
>
> Open the $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/title tiddler. From the first widget, 
> inside the "class" attribute, delete the "tc-titlebar" class. This will 
> reduce the size of the title field (which you may still need to edit) 
> without eliminating it.
>
>
> The same caveats about backing up previously mentioned still apply, of 
> course.
>
>
> One last change you might want to make. You might want to open tiddler
>
>
> $:/language/DefaultNewTiddlerTitle
>
>
> And change the default text to something that reflects, perhaps, your name 
> and the contents of your tiddlywiki. Why? Because you may want to drag and 
> drop your tiddlers into other TW's and there will be fewer clashes if your 
> default name wasn't "New Tiddler", "New Tiddler 1", etc.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> -- Mark
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:49:11 AM UTC-7, Miroslav Kalous wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering, and perhaps I'm not the only one, if someone has already 
>> tried to *use uni-link together with modification that displays caption 
>> of a tiddler as its name *(effectively using caption as title-shown but 
>> not changing title-proper)? I mean what Mark S. hinted upon: "Perhaps the 
>> ViewTemplate could be modified to also use the caption or subtitle, 
>> reducing confusion."
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: how's tiddlyclip?

[Costi Budai]

Works perfect now, thanks.

Only inconvenient is that refreshing/reloading the TW page it will clear 
the "tiddlyclip rightclick menu". Each time I reopen it I have to redo the 
"dock here" setting/setup.
Is there any persistent config for this?

PS: I'm running TW on Node.js.


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>
>
> HI Costi,
>
> I use tiddlyclip with opera, I am on version 49 of opera (on ubuntu 
> 14.04). It needs to be installed as an unpacked extension and the box "Allow 
> access to file URLs" needs to be ticked. download the zip from here 
> https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip/releases. (and unzip)
>
> If you are doing a lot of clipping you may want to also use the 
> savetiddlers extension - https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers/releases 
> - it also needs to be installed as an unpacked extension.
>
> BJ
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Clarification of lists with current tiddler

[Jed Carty]

I don't think there is a 'best way'. There isn't any convenient shorthand 
for {{!!fieldname}} for anything other than the tiddler listed in 
currentTiddler. If you have to reference both the containing tiddler and 
the current tiddler in the list a lot than you can make a macro like this

\define containingTiddler(field) {{$(containingTiddler)$!!$field$}}


and then in you could do this (example for tiddlywiki.com):

<$set name=containingTiddler value=<>>
<$list filter='[tag[HelloThere]]'>
<> - {{!!title}}




so inside the $list you use <> instead of 
{{!!fieldname}} when you want the containing tiddler.

It is far from perfect because you have to make the set widget outside the 
loop each time (or once in the tiddler, it could contain everything else in 
the tiddler). If you put the macro in a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/Macro 
you can have that define once for your whole wiki.

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