[tw5] Re: Feature request - canonical uri button.

[TonyM]

Mark,

I would not be surprised if pointing only supplied part of the path and or 
only the filename as you say.

Good idea enhancing the import screen, so drag and drop work as well.

If the user provides the source folder name to one field eg; \images then 
the file open dialogue selects the filename from said path then selecting 
the filename is sufficient to build the relative path \images\52346346.jpg

This would be further enhanced if we can use the Operating systems Preview 
features to help select the correct image file.

It does not seem to be rocket science to simplify the process as much as 
possible. If we just and try and attach an image we quickly see the 
opportunities available to make this easy even in the face of impediments.

Thanks
Tony



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[tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[Mohammad]

Thank you Mario for clarification and the useful information!
It seems it is not a tough work for an advanced user to assign shortcuts 
for a plugin and like that.
/Mohammad


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 11:55:13 AM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 3:43:01 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> One question, it seems support for accesskey will be dropped for HTML5 
>> standard, 
>
>
> That's not true. TiddlyWiki has keyboard handling functions. But 
> implementing key-handling libraries is only 20% of the work, that has to be 
> done. ... JavaScript libraries are only useful for "core" or plugin 
> developers.
>
> In TiddlyWiki we need the possibility to provide this functionality for 
> "advanced users" in wikitext, using widgets.
>
>  - We have the keyboard-widget , 
> which allows advanced users to deal with shortcuts. 
>  see: EditTemplate 
>  and several 
> others
> - The keyboard-widget maps shortcuts to tiddlywiki actions. using 
> action-widgets 
>  - and so on. ... 
>
> For most "pages" keyboard handling is simple, because they dispaly 
> "static" content, with a hand full of input elements. Those pages are 
> created by developers. The users are "locked in" to be "consumers" and can 
> fill forms, that sombody else statically defined  
>
> In TW we have a highly dynamic UI, that can be modified by "end-users", to 
> be able to be "content producers". There is no limit how many "forms" 
> (tiddlers in edit mode) are open at the same time. ... That's a big 
> difference!
>  
>
>> also different browsers react differently to accesskey,
>
>
> It's not only different browsers. .. It's also different OSes that have 
> sligtly different approaches and implementations. eg: Ctrl-key, Cmd-Key and 
> Alt-Key .. That's why TW "*$:/ControlPanel 
> : Kayboard Shortcuts"* tab 
> allows us to configure every OS separately if needed. 
>
> There are some common shortcuts, everyone knows, that can't be used in 
> browser-apps, since the browser catches them. No matter what you do! eg: 
> Ctrl-S, Ctrl-N  
>  
>
>> so don't you think a JavaScript solution maybe be a better solution in 
>> long time?
>
>
> That's right. We already use one ... But as I wrote, that's only part of 
> the game. We need to find ways to make it availalbe for our 
> "wikitext-users", with consistency and acceptable complexity.
>
> The proposed pull-request 
>  may be only the 
> first step, to get more flexibility. 
>
> Everyone is welcome to add comments to the discussion. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[Mohammad]

Hi Jeremy,
 Yes, you right! My reference was wrong and 
from https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/ I learned the support is available in 
HTML5!
Sorry for inconvenience!

Best
Mohammad

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:05:05 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> The motivation for adding the accessKey attribute to the button and link 
> widgets is that it is a standard HTML5 feature, and we're just passing the 
> attribute through. (I can't find any references to the attribute being 
> dropped from the standard).
>
> The differences between browsers are sufficiently frustrating that I don't 
> propose to use the accessKey attribute in the core UI. If we want global 
> keyboard shortcuts we'll need to do it properly: a new startup module that 
> listens to key events on the document, reusing the existing keyboard 
> shortcuts pane in the control panel.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com 
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 15 May 2018, at 08:25, PMario  wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 3:43:01 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> One question, it seems support for accesskey will be dropped for HTML5 
>> standard, 
>
>
> That's not true. TiddlyWiki has keyboard handling functions. But 
> implementing key-handling libraries is only 20% of the work, that has to be 
> done. ... JavaScript libraries are only useful for "core" or plugin 
> developers.
>
> In TiddlyWiki we need the possibility to provide this functionality for 
> "advanced users" in wikitext, using widgets.
>
>  - We have the keyboard-widget , 
> which allows advanced users to deal with shortcuts. 
>  see: EditTemplate 
>  and several 
> others
> - The keyboard-widget maps shortcuts to tiddlywiki actions. using 
> action-widgets 
>  - and so on. ... 
>
> For most "pages" keyboard handling is simple, because they dispaly 
> "static" content, with a hand full of input elements. Those pages are 
> created by developers. The users are "locked in" to be "consumers" and can 
> fill forms, that sombody else statically defined  
>
> In TW we have a highly dynamic UI, that can be modified by "end-users", to 
> be able to be "content producers". There is no limit how many "forms" 
> (tiddlers in edit mode) are open at the same time. ... That's a big 
> difference!
>  
>
>> also different browsers react differently to accesskey,
>
>
> It's not only different browsers. .. It's also different OSes that have 
> sligtly different approaches and implementations. eg: Ctrl-key, Cmd-Key and 
> Alt-Key .. That's why TW "*$:/ControlPanel 
> : Kayboard Shortcuts"* tab 
> allows us to configure every OS separately if needed. 
>
> There are some common shortcuts, everyone knows, that can't be used in 
> browser-apps, since the browser catches them. No matter what you do! eg: 
> Ctrl-S, Ctrl-N  
>  
>
>> so don't you think a JavaScript solution maybe be a better solution in 
>> long time?
>
>
> That's right. We already use one ... But as I wrote, that's only part of 
> the game. We need to find ways to make it availalbe for our 
> "wikitext-users", with consistency and acceptable complexity.
>
> The proposed pull-request 
>  may be only the 
> first step, to get more flexibility. 
>
> Everyone is welcome to add comments to the discussion. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Feature request - canonical uri button.

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

We've been told that the full path is unavailable, and that's why it can't 
make an external link on the fly. 

It seems to me that TW must have available the plain file name. So if you 
could provide the path to the file via a configuration tiddler, then a 
complete uri could be formed. Maybe could overwrite the existing "import" 
button (the one you see after the drag-n-drop) so that it creates a 
canonical uri tiddler rather than actually importing the source.

-- Mark

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 4:32:08 PM UTC-7, Zachary Storer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I wish that there was a more intelligent [import] button that could link 
> to external images without the need
> for manually inserting the _canonical_uri field. This is a feature 
> request(?). I don't know how difficult it would
> be to add this. Perhaps I can learn some JavaScript and make a plugin for 
> it, or perhaps there already is a plugin?
>
> -
>
> Zak
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Slideshow Presentation edition / tools/ pluging

[David Gifford]

Thanks TiddlyTweeter for letting me know about the three additional sites, 
and for letting people know here that I updated the toolmap. Blessings

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:32:38 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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> David Gifford's listing of resources has just been updated to register 
> this discussion at ... 
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=daq3QPYxpdVcebRQi2N6gc8A
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Slideshow Presentation edition / tools/ pluging

[Mohammad]

Thank you all! Thank you David!
I hope other people in this forum contribute if they know or have developed 
such tools.

Best Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Feature request - canonical uri button.

[TonyM]

On Further thought,

What if we had a button to insert file/folder addresses of any kind into a 
named field. Ideally it would allow a file spec such as *.jpg *.png as well.
 Then a variation of this button  (preset variables) before Calling the 
button would give the one you ask for.

However I can be used elsewhere.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 9:32:08 AM UTC+10, Zachary Storer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I wish that there was a more intelligent [import] button that could link 
> to external images without the need
> for manually inserting the _canonical_uri field. This is a feature 
> request(?). I don't know how difficult it would
> be to add this. Perhaps I can learn some JavaScript and make a plugin for 
> it, or perhaps there already is a plugin?
>
> -
>
> Zak
>

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[tw5] Re: Feature request - canonical uri button.

[TonyM]

Zak,

Good idea, perhaps we could stop describing it in such obscure technical 
terms.

Eg the "External Image Address" is stored in the _canonical_uri of a 
tiddler.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 9:32:08 AM UTC+10, Zachary Storer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I wish that there was a more intelligent [import] button that could link 
> to external images without the need
> for manually inserting the _canonical_uri field. This is a feature 
> request(?). I don't know how difficult it would
> be to add this. Perhaps I can learn some JavaScript and make a plugin for 
> it, or perhaps there already is a plugin?
>
> -
>
> Zak
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[TonyM]

Josiah,

Small question big answer "In your pantheon schematic? Or generally? Where?"


   - I currently Have a TiddlyWIki with a TWOutlier view of all the 
   solutions, tools and a lot more. Everything I have identified so far as 
   needing to be addressed in a comprehensive solution.
  - We could call this a schematic model. 
   - I am working to turn this into a physically existing online resource. 
   I have structured the solution so that it allows scaling and growth buy 
   carefully dividing content into key areas. 
   - The key focus however is on an appropriate "publishing" of solutions, 
   so that they stand alone and can capture audiences in their own right, only 
   then bringing them to discover TiddlyWiki in all its glory.
   
Of late I realised a "Solution" can be as little as a thought bubble 
through to a whole discipline. As a result a Solution may consist of few or 
many things. 

I have come to realise the value of each and every solution being able to 
evolve in scale according to need. To put this in a practical way a 
solution may be an item in a list, in a directory of solutions, It then may 
have a page on a website with simple text, then it may have a social media 
Conversation about it and other information. Eventually it may deserve its 
own website or series of websites. As a result at this design phase I need 
to ensure this possibility. 

So since these solutions can be made up of any number of TiddlyWiki Objects 
and some solutions will share these objects (examples at the top of this 
thread). I want to understand and create repositories of each object type 
that can be referenced in a given solution. Then once I start building 
solution specific resources eg; "Presentations" I can record say relevant 
plugins (and other objects) that can then be referenced in another 
solution. 

Basically I am trying to take the whole tiddlywiki kit and kaboodle 
(universe) and reduce it to its systematic or schematic objects (analysis) 
so that when I reassemble it (synthesis)  there is little or no duplication 
of everything, and there are multiple ways to find anything in the 
tiddlywiki universe. 


Finally one major driver of this approach is content capture and 
maintenance along with community development and uptake. If we do not 
structure this well it will be a nightmare to administer and use. I have 
enough nightmares. 

Send me your email address in a private message, if you wish to contribute 
in more detail and I will invite you to a conversation about this, the 
conversation tool is part of this solution.

I in fact, want you to contribute because you have being a key community 
builder of late, raising examples and discussions.

 Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 10:08:42 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>  TonyM wrote:
>
> ...I am not sure if Importers exist but Parsers and Exporters certainly 
>> do, so I can use them.
>>
>
> Yes. We use them. And, obviously Importers too. 
>
>>
>> Perhaps what you are saying belongs elsewhere in the pantheon of 
>> TiddlyWiki?
>>
>
> In your pantheon schematic? Or generally? Where?
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[TonyM]

Jed,

Thanks for the response, I will process this and Hopefully return some 
documentation for windows in the end.


   - I understood the "otherwiki" was illustrative, The problem has always 
   being confident of how to specify wikis to be opened, clearly I will stop 
   trying single file wikis. and Arlen has pointed out why even some editions 
   created, using bob, fail.
   - I also have a problem getting a path to a folder based wiki outside 
   the bob or below bob folders, and trying to resolve this with no confidence 
   in the path statement, has being difficult.
   - To Test Bob I have being trying to access my existing suite of 
  Tiddly-wikis.
  - I have at one point tried the path "../../instances/wikiname" to 
  get above the installed folder and back down another branch (I have to 
  reevaluate this on the basis of no single file wikis)
   

*Why are you trying to open a wiki from Bob in tiddlyserver?*
Because I could not open some Bob Created folder wikis any other way, it 
was purely diagnostic. It showed be that the Bob Created Folder Wikis that 
failed were not valid NodeJS Folder wikis in either tool. Since it failed 
in both platforms. I thought the TiddlyServer diagnostics may provide some 
useful information.

Items to make more Prominent in the Documentation

   - Bob only serves TiddlyWiki folders (although it will facilitate the 
   conversion to and from folder wikis and file-based wikis) it will not serve 
   File based wikis
   - Bob can create TiddlyWiki folders from editions but sometimes further 
   configuration of that edition may be needed
   - Paths to wikis only support Folder Based TiddlyWikis
   

I value the functionality of Bob that exists no where else, however from a 
practical day to day use It would be nice if we could get Bob and 
TiddlyWiki server functionality somewhat integrated. I understand the 
different functions and limitations however these are not relevant to 
organising a suite of TiddlyWikis. It looks as if for me to take advantage 
of Bob I am going to have to migrate my key File Wikis into folder based 
wikis and chose when I maintain any wiki as a file only version. Of course 
running TiddlyServer in parallel on another port, with links to Wikis in my 
Bob Wikis linked from my own tiddlers, not under bobs "wiki listing" will 
work.

Don't get me wrong, it may be impossible to provide multi-access to a 
single File Wiki, but it would not hurt if we could serve single file wikis 
from Bob as does TiddlyServer, or link, or integrate the two. 

Thanks
Tony



On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 6:35:27 PM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> I will try to answer the questions in order.
>
> 0 - Bob doesn't support single file wikis yet, and even when it does it 
> won't be the same as what TiddlyServer does. The plan is to have Bob create 
> a temporary node wiki from the single file wiki so it can have all of Bob 
> features and it will autosave to the single file version. I hope to make 
> switching between using the single html file and node seamless doing this.
> 1 - otherwiki is just the name given to the wiki. Wikis need to have 
> unique names because they are what determines the url for that wiki. But 
> you can have the same name if you have things like this:
> wikis: {
>   "group1":{
>  "aname": "/some/other/path"
>   },
>   "aname": "/some/path"
> }
> where you would have a wiki at localhost:8080/aname and another wiki at 
> localhost:8080/group1/aname, so the full path has to be unique, not 
> specifically the last part.
> 2 - The paths are to the folders that have the tiddlywiki.info files
> 3 - The ~ is used in unix systems to point to the home folder of the 
> current user. I don't think that windows has an equivalent. If you replace 
> ~ with 'c:\Users\inmysocks' (and switch / to \) you would get something 
> like what you would have in windows.
> 4 - In file paths '.' represents the current working directory. Which in 
> this case in the location of the executable. It is how you make relative 
> paths. So './Wikis/tw5docs' would be the same as putting in 
> 'C:\Users\inmysocks\TiddlyWiki\Wikis\tw5docs' assuming that the executable 
> was located in 'C:\Users\inmysocks\TiddlyWiki\'
> 5 - It looks like you have both Bob and tiddlyserver running at the same 
> time and that error message is something from TiddlyServer. Having both 
> running at the same time for the same wikis is redundant and will most 
> likely just break things. Why are you trying to open a wiki from Bob in 
> tiddlyserver?
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[@TiddlyTweeter]

 TonyM wrote:

...I am not sure if Importers exist but Parsers and Exporters certainly do, 
> so I can use them.
>

Yes. We use them. And, obviously Importers too. 

>
> Perhaps what you are saying belongs elsewhere in the pantheon of 
> TiddlyWiki?
>

In your pantheon schematic? Or generally? Where?




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[tw5] Re: [TS] TiddlyServer upgraded to TW 5.1.16

[TonyM]

Arlen,

Thanks for updating your great TiddlyWiki solution. It has being a constant 
friend since earlier releases. Great Work

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 1:11:02 PM UTC+10, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I upgraded TiddlyServer to TW5.1.16. 
>
> There is also a settings page to try and let me know what you think. I 
> don't have it documented yet, but the page is at /admin/settings. There is 
> no security implemented yet except for being able to restrict access to the 
> page.
>
> There are two settings -- "allowNetwork" and "allowLocalhost" -- that 
> control access to the settings. The settings page has a short description 
> of everything, which should be helpful, and the readme on the github repo 
> has more detailed info about each setting.
>
> Play with it and let me know what you think.It would be good to backup 
> your settings.json first before you start playing with it. It's still beta.
>
> Arlen
>

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[tw5] Feature request - canonical uri button.

[Zachary Storer]

Hello,

I wish that there was a more intelligent [import] button that could link to 
external images without the need
for manually inserting the _canonical_uri field. This is a feature 
request(?). I don't know how difficult it would
be to add this. Perhaps I can learn some JavaScript and make a plugin for 
it, or perhaps there already is a plugin?

-

Zak

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[TonyM]

Josiah,

I am keen to identify "Objects", in Fact Object Types, things for which 
there are typically more than one of each, against which we may want to 
list alternatives. I am not sure if Importers exist but Parsers and 
Exporters certainly do, so I can use them.

Perhaps what you are saying belongs elsewhere in the pantheon of TiddlyWiki?

Otherwise let me know
Thanks
Tony

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 12:43:39 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> No. I mean the way that TW uses its Parsing SYSTEM to translate bare 
> markup to rendered HTML. This is more primary than any one specific import 
> or export format. Its the primary system that enables such CONVERSIONS.
>
> Its not so well documented as yet.
>
> On Tuesday, 15 May 2018 16:32:57 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> By that you mean parsers, exporters and importers I presume?
>>
>> Thanks all
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [tw] I love TiddlyWiki because...

[Arlen Beiler]

"... it inspires my imagination and creativity with its excellent internal
design."

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> This thread is a continuation from Positive Assertions In One Sentence ...
> 
> Here is a start ...
>
> I love #TiddlyWiki  because
> ... of, in two words:  Radical #transclusion
> .
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Re: [tw5] Re: Minimal Python Server (was Re: Minimal Ruby Server)

[Arlen Beiler]

I think we really just need one method called "Serving static files with
saving" and include everything that provides that capability using the put
saver or equivalent mechanism. :)

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 12:24 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oh snap -- method #22.
>
> Does using 0.0.0.0 expose server to the entire local web (in which case
> there is a coffee-house danger) ?
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 8:16:45 PM UTC-7, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>>
>> That's fun! I've been experimenting with supporting Tiddlywiki and
>> integrating parts of it with my Python application.
>>
>> I've found that in Python you can use the WsgiDAV library to serve single
>> file TiddlyWikis very nicely.
>>
>> All you need to do is install wsgidav library:
>>
>> pip install wsgidav
>> # or pip install --user wsgidav
>>
>>
>> After that you can run:
>>
>> wsgidav --host=0.0.0.0 --server wsgiref --port=80 
>> --root=/path/to/your/tiddlywiki/
>>
>>
>> You can also use it to integrate into an existing web app or building
>> something else. Here's the documentation
>> .
>>
>> Use the latest Tiddlywiki with the fixes for WebDAV or the wsgidav from
>> git to avoid 412 errors.
>>
>> Hope it's useful to someone.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> El sábado, 12 de mayo de 2018, 9:32:45 (UTC-5), Jim escribió:
>>>
>>> I use Ruby and so always have it installed. If you do too, here's a
>>> minimal server using Ruby Webrick. It just serves up files from the same
>>> folder and handles saving.
>>>
>>> Once running, just point yor web browser at localhost:8000 to view the
>>> folder listing, and click on your wiki html file.
>>>
>>> https://gist.github.com/jimfoltz/ee791c1bdd30ce137bc23cce826096da
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

[Stobot]

All my TiddlyWikis are hosted on SharePoint via .aspx (except for my "Bob" 
experiments), so I get "it just works" mobile access on my android phone, 
any browser, works just like desktop which is very nice. 

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 7:54:00 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> *March of the Androids*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUN78LgRfHE
>
> *Since the first quarter of 2011, Google’s mobile operating system 
> , Android, has 
> steadily increased its share of the global smartphone OS market. As of the 
> fourth quarter of 2016, Android leads the global market 
> 
>  
> with an 81.7 percent market share, while Apple’s iOS is second. Android is 
> also the most often used operating system for tablet computers 
> 
>  
> worldwide, with a 66 percent share of the global market in 2016.-- 
> *Statistics 
> Portal 
> 
>
> I'm hazy on how people actually use TiddlyWiki on Android Phones & 
> Tablets. 
>
> If you using Android I'd like to learn more about how you use it for 
> TiddlyWiki. Android is dominant in the mobile market in much of the world 
> so I think it makes sense to ensure its well addressed in TW. Currently I'm 
> not that clear how folk actually practically use TW with it. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Slideshow Presentation edition / tools/ pluging

[@TiddlyTweeter]

David Gifford's listing of resources has just been updated to register this 
discussion at ... 
https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=daq3QPYxpdVcebRQi2N6gc8A

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[tw5] Re: TiddlySmile ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

When I think "#TiddlyWiki" I think of the beauty of ALICE'S RESTAURANT 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57gzA2JCcM

I cannot tell a lie that on the telephonic system I was immediately 
arrested for was for using a handset 7 years after its 

demise ...

But all sorts of mean, nasty things were happening with poetic licence. 

Next to me on the bench were father rapers, Wiki Utopians, and Cyril Burt, 
the Moss Masseur of Pimlico.

I was released without charge.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TS] TiddlyServer upgraded to TW 5.1.16

[Arlen Beiler]

I forgot to mention that you can find the latest releast here:
https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> I thought I should post the change log. I apologize that this release has
> been more rushed than usual and less thoroughly tested, although I still
> use master for my personal TiddlyServer installation.
>
>- *Added /static as a reserved mount path and
>moved /icons to /static/icons.*
>- Added a warning if a mount path is reserved.
>- Added a settings page at /admin/settings/. The tree and types options
>are not yet available.
>- Added allowLocalhost hashmap to settings.json identical to
>allowNetwork. Options for one of them does not affect options for the
>other one, so localhost may be more restricted than network.
>- Added several options related to logging, and now allows logs to be
>saved to file using NodeJS appendFile.
>-
>   - Added options: logAccess, logError, logColorsToFile, logToConsoleA
>   lso.
>- Added debugLevel option in settings to set the debug level of the
>messages to be logged to console or the error log.
>- Add filename field to specify the filename of the file being
>uploaded to a folder.
>- Upgrade to TiddlyWiki 5.1.16
>
> Enjoy!
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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Arlen Beiler]

Tony,
Does this path exist? C:\Data\TW5\Instances\Bob\Wikis\tw5.com
\tiddlers\system\DefaultTiddlers.tid

Apparently, there needs to be a tw5.com folder in the Wikis folder
according to some file. The error has nothing to do with TiddlyServer or
Bob, but is rather that there is a folder missing that is supposed to be
there according to the tw5.com-docs plugin. Both Bob and TiddlyServer
apparently crash when a data folder throws a startup error.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:43 AM, TonyM  wrote:

> Jed,
>
> I am finally exploring Bob. I stated before I am happy to generate some
> Windows Documentation to support you.
>
> In your previous conversations has it become clearer how to specify
> external wikis in Windows?
> I have Bob running on ports 8084 8085 to avoid conflicts with webDav
> I have tiddlyServer running on port 8088 to avoid conflicts with both
>
> I have single file and Node Wikis Which I can happily access with
> TiddlyServer but in that case "we specify the folders in settings.info"
> and browse to Node or Single File installs. So its settings.json need be
> the same as that of Bobs.
>
> If you do not yet have any details please answer these Questions to help
> me. As a Starter I am using the SingleFileVersion.
>
> 'otherwiki': ~/Documents/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/Bob
>
>
>- In the above example otherwiki is just a name to appear in the link?
>- ~/Documents/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/Bob is a path to a folder install of
>TiddlyWiki? (in which resides a tiddlywiki.info file?)
>- The Tilde in the above ~ represents the location of the executable?
>- In Wikis created from within bob I get as below ".\" this should be
>the windows equivalent of "~\"
>
> Please tell me, in the single executable version how does it source the
> editions content?
>
>
> If for example I create A TiddlyWiki from the editions say tw5.com-docs
> "wikis": {
>
>"tw5docs": ".\Wikis\tw5docs"
>
>
> The Server Window reads
> NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
> Added route /^\/tw5docs\/?$/
> Websockets listening on  8085
> Serving on 127.0.0.1:8084
> (press ctrl-C to exit)
>  syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
> new connection
>
>
> I get http://127.0.0.1:8084/tw5docs as the destination of the link
> When I click on this the Server (running bob) terminates and as a result I
> get Unable to connect in firefox.
>
> With TiddlyServer
>
>- If I browse to http://127.0.0.1:8088/Instances/Bob/Wikis/tw5docs it
>also abends, the attached text is its error messages
>- However I can Open http://127.0.0.1:8088/Instances/Bob/IndexWiki
>without trouble.
>
> With bob It autoopens at http://127.0.0.1:8084/ in the index wiki and its
> fine.
>
> I am totally at a loss, so if you can clarify anything I may be able to
> proceed.
>
> Please note I would love to add my existing file and folder wikis to Bob
> but If bob or TiddlyServer cant even access bob created wikis I am at a
> loss how to proceed.
>
> I have also attached the tw5docs tiddlywiki.info file should it help.
>
> Thanks in Advance
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 4:02:07 PM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> The button to set the host may be set up incorrectly. I did change some
>> things about how setting the host works and I may have missed updating
>> that. For now you may have to do it manually.
>>
>> A deleted tiddler reappearing sounds like a bug, I will have to track
>> that down when I have time.
>>
>> Stobot,
>>
>> have you had any trouble other than the setting the host after you
>> replaced the executable? There may be some problems with the old settings
>> files between the last version of MultiUser and version 1.0.0 of Bob,
>> hopefully moving forward you should be able to just replace the executable
>> file and not worry about the other parts.
>>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> Are you using version 1.0.0? If so there is a bug where some settings
>> files (pallet, story view, theme and some button visibility) were not saved
>> correctly in version 1.0.0 that is fixed in version 1.0.1, so using the
>> newer version should fix the problem.
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Slideshow Presentation edition / tools/ pluging

[Mohammad]

Thank you Birthe for sharing!

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:53:42 PM UTC+4:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Mat's PPTW http://pptw.tiddlyspot.com/
> CPA TW for Bunnies http://tw-for-bunnies.tiddlyspot.com/
> Thomas Elmiger Slideshows https://tid.li/tw5/styles.html#Slideshows
>
> Birthe
>
>
>
> tirsdag den 15. maj 2018 kl. 08.07.30 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>>
>> Great, Thanks
>> Recorded
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:19:17 PM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Based on @TonyM idea I appreciate all people in this group to help 
>>> collecting all TW resources on the application of Tiddlywiki for 
>>> presentation and slisw sow.
>>> This can be later used in the @TonyM resource collection.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have listed below those I have found from this forum. Please complete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- *TalkyTalky*:
>>>https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/
>>>- *Showroom:*   
>>>http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>- *WizardWizard:*  
>>>https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/WizardWizard/
>>>- *SlidesnStories (presnter):*   
>>>http://slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com/#About
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Showroom at http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/

[Mohammad]

Many thanks Birthe,
 Is the http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/ the latest version?
The method to save the slideshow as a  default Tiddler is a bit 
inconvenient!
For my last question, I learned I can use accessKey to set a shortcut for 
Next / Previous button.
I like your solution for defining the tiddler size in slide show method.

Best
Mohammad





On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:06:23 PM UTC+4:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
> Sorry, I did see you question and looked at the now rather old showroom. I 
> updated it in january of this year and changed a bit. I updated it again 
> when I saw your question and tried so see if i could do something. I do not 
> know how to make it support the shortcut you mentioned. I do see the slides 
> in the order shown in the list field, dragging and dropping on the list 
> changes the order. So I really do not understand, sorry.
>
> Also I think there are some much better examples around now.
>
> Let's hope you or someone else have some good ideas.
>
> Birthe
>
>
>
> søndag den 13. maj 2018 kl. 18.52.19 UTC+2 skrev Mohammad:
>>
>> Showroom at http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/ is a simple and useful 
>> presentation edition.
>> I appreciate @Birthe the creator  of this plugin.
>>
>> There are some issues right now with forward/backward and reordering the 
>> slides.
>> Also it would be great if it supports the shortcut for navigation 
>> (next/previous/main list)
>>
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

"(sort of)" in the title can go.

*It works. Well.*

Its still not ultimate optimal for the smallest screens. But, TBH, I'm not 
sure what ever would be.

The design issue on small is "how to make an elephant into a mouse?" 

Designing look for TINY smartphones I think, ultimately, is about, also, 
making suited software too. Then matching THAT with appropriate styling. 
Styling backwards from complexity to simplicity (when Gerald is only LARGE) 
is not optimal.

I think you gone pretty far into it in CSS to translate those worlds pretty 
well.

Just opinions, I'm happy to give up (on evidence :) its viable to go 
further.

@TiddlyTweeter, x

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[JD]

Hi Kevin,

Sorry for the late reply, and very sorry to inform you that I would figure 
out a solution to this no sooner than next week, as this is a bug I would 
like to fix completely. 

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 6:59:27 AM UTC+9, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> The material theme always has the sidebar closed on initial page load (for 
> a node.js TW).  I'd prefer it always open.  Curiously, this behavior is 
> backwards from the built-in themes.
>
> I understand that state tiddlers are not persisted with a node.js TW, so I 
> tried 
> https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Hiding%20The%20Sidebar%20On%20Startup.  
> It sets the state tiddler during startup. But whether I set its config to 
> 'yes' or 'no', the sidebar is not visible on initial page load when 
> Material is the active theme.
>
> How can I make Material always open with the sidebar visible?
> TIA
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[tw5] Re: How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

[Lost Admin]

It appears Firefox doesn't work but Chrome does (I have Chrome at work).

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 5:13:35 PM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> It's not working for me. I don't have Chromium. It says "saving" and just 
> hangs forever. The "saved" message doesn't show up and even after 15 
> minutes the tiddlyspot instance hasn't been updated.
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 3:32:52 PM UTC-4, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Earlier on 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/bSwzQSrExMg/4kx8F1G9BAAJ you 
>> described how you tried to do your tiddlyspot update. You did it exactly 
>> the same way I use. It works for me (using Chromium).
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> mandag den 14. maj 2018 kl. 20.56.47 UTC+2 skrev Lost Admin:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
>>> the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
>>> a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
>>> would I find those instructions?
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

['Andreas Hahn' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks Kalmir,

the Tiddlywiki side of things are easily setup, as its just a simple 
plugin, but it also works with either Jed's MultiUser Version (now 
called Bob or something else?) or with TiddlyServer. (Note, you have to 
run the nodejs version here)


The Minecraft server is fairly tricky, because what you see in the video 
is a PocketMine Server and the Win10 Bedrock Edition of Minecraft. I 
think there are providers out there that can host that specific server 
software for Minecraft, but I'm not sure. Given you somehow get that 
running, it would be a simple drop-in plugin that probably anyone can 
install to connect it up to TW.


So while I did make this work by adding a simple plugin to both sides, 
the overall setup is still fairly involved and certainly not "optimized" 
to be easily used by many others. I think the best way might actually be 
a pre-setup virtual machine for people to install and use.


/Andreas

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[@TiddlyTweeter]

No. I mean the way that TW uses its Parsing SYSTEM to translate bare markup 
to rendered HTML. This is more primary than any one specific import or 
export format. Its the primary system that enables such CONVERSIONS.

Its not so well documented as yet.

On Tuesday, 15 May 2018 16:32:57 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Josiah
>
> By that you mean parsers, exporters and importers I presume?
>
> Thanks all
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Twitter -- Computational Notebooks in TW? ...

[TonyM]

Ste,

I only taught at a vocational college some years ago, part-time. They did not 
pay us for marking let alone developing material. Why they dont is teaching is 
a vocation, the capitalist system without guidence, allways under pays and 
underfunds anything that people are passionate about. They say tgey want the 
best education, health and science but they simply want the cheapest.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[JD]

Hey Maarten,

Sorry for the late reply! I just came back from a long vacation. 

when I deleted all tiddlers from a copy of my wiki the menu changed in its 
> behavior and doesn't block the text of the tiddlers anymore. Any idea what 
> can be the cause of what's happening in the original wiki?
>

I'm guessing it's CSS code declared either in a tiddler tagged 
*$:/tags/Stylesheet* , or any other normal tiddler containing 
** attributes.

One way I'd pinpoint the source of this is by using the browser's *Inspect 
*function, 
or by looking into internally styled tiddlers.

I hope the above items help!
 

>
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 4:24:43 PM UTC+2, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi Maarten, sorry for the late rep! Have you found the root cause of 
>> this? I'm guessing there's a metrics tiddler (referenced by a stylesheet) 
>> that interferes with the stylesheet of this theme. 
>>
>> I'm not trying to pry into your TW, but I'd like to inspect an empty 
>> version of the TW where this error is happening? If that's not too much to 
>> ask. We can continue this thread in PMs if you like 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 1:20:02 AM UTC+9, Maarten wrote:
>>>
>>> hi JD,
>>>
>>> nice work, but a strange thing: in one of my wikis (running on node,js) 
>>> the sidebar pushes the story away and both are visible. But in the other, 
>>> with (as far as I can discover ALL settings are the same), the sidebar 
>>> slides open but the story stays in the same place and is only partly 
>>> visible.
>>>
>>> Any idea what can cause this?
>>>
>>> Maarten
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 7:37:26 PM UTC+2, JD wrote:

 Hello folks, I've been playing around with Google's Material design and 
 would like to share what I created so far... 

 http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com

 ...in hindsight, I think overwriting core image tiddlers (and "more 
 tiddler actions" button) might not be the best way to go... So, for 
 anybody 
 who wants to try this out, there's that info for you. I'll probably cut 
 those overwritten portions away in an update... 

 Oh. Please try out the palettes under Control Panel > Appearance > 
 Material Tweaks, they're specifically designed for this theme...

 ***

 I've been testing this with the v.v. amazing Noteself fork with a 
 Cloudant account (and the android app! So freaking cool)... The 
 setup just made my life easier (I've been meaning to send some feedback 
 but I've recently been very busy I'm sorry). 

 So, thanks, everyone. I've been enjoying my visits here in Google 
 Groups. You guys are awesome innovators! I get shy just thinking about how 
 little I can contribute... Y'all are some of the coolest forum-goers 
 around. 



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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[TonyM]

Josiah

By that you mean parsers, exporters and importers I presume?

Thanks all
Tony

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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

[JD]

Hey Danielo, 

Very sorry for the late reply, I just came back from a long vacation. I 
love Noteself, by the way. It's really amazing once up and running! It 
behaves like how I expect a cross-platform syncing notes app would. Cheers 
for your hard work!


>>- Initial sign-up for a Bluemix/Cloudant account is confusing. This 
>>is needed for cross-platform sync.
>>
>> Yes it is. I am already working on a NoteSelf dedicated service, where 
> login will be very easy. 
>

I believe it's a difficulty with Bluemix/Cloudant itself. Because I'm a 
total beginner with Couch / Pouch and all that stuff, I just went ahead and 
tried the only service with some documentation in this forums. 
 

>
>>- The Bluemix/Cloudant ID is used in Noteself as the 
>>*Username-for-signing-edits*. Great, if only the 
>>automatically-generated Bluemix/Cloudant ID isn't a long string of 
>> letters 
>>and numbers. Editing the *Username-for-signing-edits* tiddler doesn't 
>>help. It reverts on app/browser refresh. I've simply learned to live with 
>>it.
>>
>>
> Also true, I noticed this and I am currently suffering it, so I'll try to 
> fix it while adding support for NoteSelf login
>

This would be great! Although one can *really *learn to live with it by 
removing the *Username-for-signing-edits* from the tiddler subtitle
 

>
>>- I can't update plugins without uninstalling them first.  
>>
>>
> This is new. I don't understand why this happens. Have to investigate 
>

Is this not happening in your browser? I update plugins and stuff with 
Chrome V66 for desktop (main TW driver besides your Android app)



>>- On Noteself for Android, there is a default stylesheet that I have 
>>to manually disable for mobile layouts to work correctly.
>>
>>
> Could you expand on that ? The android app works fine for me,specially 
> with the latests versions and starting with a brand new wiki. Do you mean a 
> NS stylesheet or a personal stylesheet from you ?
>

It's the stylesheet automatically loaded into the Android app, the specific 
tiddler is *$:/plugins/noteself/android/styles/layout.css *

The above stylesheet interferes with my Material Theme and Mobile Layout 
plugin (btw, those two can't be used together), so I just overwrote 
*$:/plugins/noteself/android/styles/layout.css* to make it blank. 


>>- The storylist isn't synced cross-platform. I wish there's a setting 
>>to enable this. 
>>
>> This is by design. At first it was synced, but that cause lots of 
> synchronization problems, mostly due to the fact that TW makes a special 
> treatment of this tiddler. Also an surprising weird behavior is that open 
> tiddlers are reflected on real time, so as a consequence you can not use it 
> at the same time from two different places. It was some king of 
> inconvenient real-time collaboration.
>

Oh, alright. Although it kind of clashes with the neurotic way I use TW 
(quick creation, deletion, renaming of tiddlers), I guess I have to make do 
with it for now. Not really a big deal. 


I am working on a project to bring easy login flow to NoteSelf. It will use 
> a passwordless approach, so you will not need to remember a password 
> neither registration.
> You will input your email and hit login, then we will generate a random 
> pin with a small lifetime (say 30 minutes), then you input that pin on 
> NoteSelf and we will provide you a long-term authentication token that will 
> be automatically managed by NoteSelf.
>

Is this like OAuth?
 

> At first the service should be considered beta, will be free and only one 
> database per user will be provided.
>

Where will the DataBase be hosted, and how private and secure would it be? 
I'm not familiar with highly technical backdoor stuff, please excuse my 
ignorance.

Again, thanks for your awesome stuff, Danielo!

-JD

>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Hi Danielo,

Thanks for the feedback! 

Yep, aside from adding a separate topbar and bottombar, and re-positioning 
the sidebar so it shows only the lists part, not much has been customized. 
I didn't want to take away from the Vanilla experience, seeing as it's 
near-perfect for my use-case (my Material theme however, is nearest to how 
I actually want the mobile sidebar). 

About the bottombar buttons, does setting visibility in *ControlPanel *> 
*Appearance 
*> *Toolbars *> *PageToolbar *not work for you? Or maybe I misunderstood 
what you meant?

As for the sidebar sliding, I applied BTC's Hammer Widgets to my Material 
Theme for a swipable sidebar, but haven't applied it to *this *plugin yet. 
Maybe you can walk me down *your *plugin's path so we can see the many ways 
we make the sidebar swipable? 

 

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:24:18 PM UTC+9, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello JD,
> Very impressive work ! I just tried on my laptop with the mobile 
> simulation, but it is looking very very good.
> Maybe I miss some more heavy customization on the sidebar, but the overall 
> is very pleasant. I would also see some more buttons at the bottom. To be 
> honest, I don't see myself changing the theme very often, but maybe closing 
> all the tiddlers or seeing my favorite ones is something I'll want to do 
> more often.
>
> Apart from those, the best mobile theme I tried. I tried doing it myself 
> several times, so I know how hard it can be.
> Regarding the sidebar sliding, I made a plugin a while ago. It´s working 
> quite fine, but it's par of NS android app internals. I can offer you some 
> support on that regard if you want, or maybe try to release the plugin 
> separately.
>
> Regards
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Hey HC,

I just updated the plugin, it should now respond properly to the print 
command. The bug was a missing "@media print" rule to the story river. 

Thanks for the feedback, and sorry for the late reply. I just came back 
from a long vacation.


On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 3:26:13 PM UTC+9, HC Haase wrote:
>
> HI JD
>
> Thank you for a great layout.. it really makes TW5 usable on mobile. But
>
> I think I found a bug. 
>
> --BUG--
>
> in firefox 59.0.2 and in vivaldi (chromium)
>
> When I press the print button in TW (or ctrl+p for the browser print), the 
> mobile layout with the the sidebar covering the screen/paper is printed. 
> i.e not content is visible.
>
> I would expect the desktop layout of TW to be printed.
>
> --
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Ed]

Hi TiddlyTweeter,

Thanks for the encouragement!
8-))

Tschüß, Ed
= = = = = =
.
.

Op dinsdag 15 mei 2018 13:51:16 UTC+2 schreef @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Ed, Jed & Bob
>
> Bob, as far as I can see, is fully equipped for travel. 
>
> You just need ensure all your addressing (settings & in-wiki pointers to 
> local resources) is relative.
>

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[tw5] Re: (Warning, long post) - I've been using TW for three years. Here's my usage story.

[Shay Shaked]

This is fine.. thank you for spreading it :)

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 7:20:26 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Shay
>
> Great stuff. Well written. Illuminating.
>
> FWIW I tweeted a link to it on Twitter 
>  that 
> garnered 6 Retweets & 13 Likes. That's significant scale in that group--at 
> least you know its been read quite a lot.
>
> I took the liberty of adding a quote from you to the thread "I Love 
> TiddlyWiki Because ..." here 
> . 
> Let me know if you don't approve and I'll remove it.
>
> Below I clipped down to what I found most interesting and made one comment 
> about Androids.
>
> Shay Shaked wrote:
>>
>> ...My Name is Shay and I'm am a digital archivist...
>>
>  
>
>> TW has been a rock in a stormy sea of apps. It's been the one constant 
>> software where I keep the most information about myself and what I do.
>>
>
> If I had to guess what's at the heart of the restlessness of looking for 
>> other things ... it's the fact that I can't use it for *everything... *a 
>> big chunk of functionality is missing because I can't use it on my phone. 
>>
>
> Yes, I know of the Android app, and I also think it's terrible next to the 
>> "real thing"
>
>
> Regarding Android ... there is a recent thread here that won't assure you, 
> but may add a bit of info on others experiences: March Of The Androids ... 
> 
>  
>
>> ... I find peace in the notion that all roads lead to TiddlyWiki... 
>> edited and formatted and *organized* correctly. I just wish I could get 
>> to it ... more often. 
>>
>  
>
>> TW takes time, it takes sitting down on your behind...  It takes work: 
>> mental stamina and time which I too often find that I don't have enough. 
>> But, when I do sit down and "translate" something from say work to 
>> TiddlyWiki-ish, explaining a problem in a third-person... I really find 
>> that I enjoy myself. I sometimes catch myself ... and whisper "There. Now 
>> it's written like it should." There's nothing quite like it. 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Alex

AlexHough wrote:
>
> I've been exploring space and thinking, from starting point of a garden 
> explicitly designed for speculation
>

I think its a good analogy. A very good analogy, actually.

"Gardening" is a great example of an activity that needs to be (a) 
responsive to current conditions; (b) has basic rules you apply until they 
don't; (c) ... so its on-going learning. 

Its both (i) "organic"; and (ii) "interventional"; (iii) you learn by 
results in a CYCLE ("the Marigolds failed this year, next year we'll do 
better"). 

HUSBANDRY/WIFEANDRY is central to the balance between nature and nurture. 

At a stretch one could apply that to TiddlyWiki quite well. HOW? Well, in 
the orientation towards exposition through "my truthful soil". 

Regarding Garden Memory Theatres: Fallow Ground may sprout--yet.
 

> The Garden of Cosmic Speculation,positive feedback in my attention system:
>

You are likely slightly more cosmic than I am. I find *attentive forking* 
in earth enough already :-).

It now seems 
> MORE LIKELY 
> to be directed towards 
> how 
> GARDENS AND PLACES 
> can interact 
> with THINKING, DREAMING & SPECULATION
> than it was before
>
> => #PositiveFeedback
>
> https://thegardenofcosmicspeculation.com/about
>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Alex Hough]

Josiah,

I've been exploring space and thinking, from starting point of a garden
explicitly designed for speculation




The Garden of Cosmic Speculation,positive feedback in my attention system:

It now seems
MORE LIKELY
to be directed towards
how
GARDENS AND PLACES
can interact
with THINKING, DREAMING & SPECULATION
than it was before

=> #PositiveFeedback

https://thegardenofcosmicspeculation.com/about




https://twitter.com/100aCreweRoad/status/996354852509937665

On 15 May 2018 at 11:00, Kalmir  wrote:

> Andreas, I think this is pure awesomeness! I have been considering to
> build mem palaces in Minecraft but havn't got to it yet.
>
> Is it difficult to set up your solution (for a non-coder, half-geek)?
>
>
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:44:47 PM UTC+2, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote
>> a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the
>> purposes of exploring memory palaces. The idea was that you could link
>> up places within your Minecraft world to tiddlers within your wiki,
>> which would help you both remember facts and visualize content from your
>> wiki.
>>
>> After I got an initial version to work, I more or less ran out of ideas
>> and put the project aside for a bit, but I thought it might be
>> interesting to show it off, so here is a small video of how it works:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs
>>
>> (Note: I have two monitors, so usually this sort of concept is a lot
>> more usable)
>>
>> /Andreas
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Parsing

Import

Export

On Tuesday, 15 May 2018 05:26:17 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I would like to identify all the possible "Objects" that relate to 
> tiddlywiki to assist me in creating an effective tiddlywiki resource;
>
> Here are the ones I have so far
>
>- Code Snipits
>- Discussions (eg Google Group)
>- Editions
>- Showcase ? (Example TiddlyWiki not an official edition)
>- Macros
>- Plugins
>- Themes
>- StyleSheets
>- TiddlyWikis
>- Menus
>- Buttons
>- Widgets
>- Filters
>- Solutions
>
> Please let me know of any others you think of
>
>
> As with my Recent Posts TiddlyWiki Focused Solution Areas - Please 
> contribute 
> 
>  and TiddlyWiki Focused Designer areas - Please contribute 
>  I 
> am continuing to develop a way of curating TiddlyWiki knowledge .
>
> I will not be revealing my proposal publicly until I have a Showcase to 
> demonstrate. However if you are keen, do contact me with a Private Message. 
> WordPress, TiddlyWiki and or Enterprise social experience are all in the 
> mix along with online community development experience.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Twitter -- Computational Notebooks in TW? ...

[Ste Wilson]

@Tony. 
Agreed. 
Let's build something better? 
But then it often feels like imagination is punished in education... Certainly 
in the uk system.. 'what do you mean your not teaching this way? '

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[tw5] TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[Ste Wilson]

Templates

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ed, Jed & Bob

Bob, as far as I can see, is fully equipped for travel. 

You just need ensure all your addressing (settings & in-wiki pointers to 
local resources) is relative.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Ed]

Ah great Jed, thanks for the very speedy reply.
makes life much easier.

Tschüß, Edm.
= = = = = = = 
.
.
Op dinsdag 15 mei 2018 13:38:49 UTC+2 schreef Jed Carty:
>
> I have a usb stick with wikis on it that I have used with the executables 
> on linux osx and windows. Just put all of the executables in the same 
> folder. There shouldn't be any problems from doing that.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Jed Carty]

I have a usb stick with wikis on it that I have used with the executables 
on linux osx and windows. Just put all of the executables in the same 
folder. There shouldn't be any problems from doing that.

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[tw5] Re: (Warning, long post) - I've been using TW for three years. Here's my usage story.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Shay

Great stuff. Well written. Illuminating.

FWIW I tweeted a link to it on Twitter 
 that garnered 
6 Retweets & 13 Likes. That's significant scale in that group--at least you 
know its been read quite a lot.

I took the liberty of adding a quote from you to the thread "I Love 
TiddlyWiki Because ..." here 
. Let 
me know if you don't approve and I'll remove it.

Below I clipped down to what I found most interesting and made one comment 
about Androids.

Shay Shaked wrote:
>
> ...My Name is Shay and I'm am a digital archivist...
>
 

> TW has been a rock in a stormy sea of apps. It's been the one constant 
> software where I keep the most information about myself and what I do.
>

If I had to guess what's at the heart of the restlessness of looking for 
> other things ... it's the fact that I can't use it for *everything... *a 
> big chunk of functionality is missing because I can't use it on my phone. 
>

Yes, I know of the Android app, and I also think it's terrible next to the 
> "real thing"


Regarding Android ... there is a recent thread here that won't assure you, 
but may add a bit of info on others experiences: March Of The Androids ... 

 

> ... I find peace in the notion that all roads lead to TiddlyWiki... 
> edited and formatted and *organized* correctly. I just wish I could get 
> to it ... more often. 
>
 

> TW takes time, it takes sitting down on your behind...  It takes work: 
> mental stamina and time which I too often find that I don't have enough. 
> But, when I do sit down and "translate" something from say work to 
> TiddlyWiki-ish, explaining a problem in a third-person... I really find 
> that I enjoy myself. I sometimes catch myself ... and whisper "There. Now 
> it's written like it should." There's nothing quite like it. 
>

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

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"TW has been a rock in a stormy sea of apps. 
It's been the one constant software where I keep the most information about 
myself and what I do."

Shay Shaked 


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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Ed]

Hi jed,

I have to work at the office and at home.
At home the 32bit version and at the office I have to use the 64bit version.

Everything I need on a USB stick seems like an nice option.
But what are the pitfalls, as they surely must be therer?

If it is possuble, can I just us structure the folder and files like this

IndexWiki folder
tiddlyWin.exe
tiddlyWin32.exe
and any other files I need like e.g. PDFs that must be embedded

So executing tiddlyWin.exe at the office and executing tiddlyWin32.exe at 
home.
Well hope for the best.
Keep up the good work, Jed!
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =
.
.





Op zaterdag 12 mei 2018 22:06:21 UTC+2 schreef Jed Carty:
>
> Bob version 1.0.0 is now available.
>
> It is the renamed version of the MultiUser plugin. For people who aren't 
> familiar with the old MultiUser plugin the basic features are:
>
> - Serve multiple wikis
> - Two-way syncing of changes between the browser and file system
> - Multiple people can use and edit served wikis simultaneously
> - A static file server for images and other media (include files from the 
> local file system in the wiki)
>
> Changes from the last version of the MultiUser plugin are:
> - Changing the name
> - Adding a message that lets you stop queued scripts in progress
>
> Plugin repo: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
>
> Single executable version: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/1.0.0
>
> Let me know if you find bugs.
>
>
> Updating to Bob from MultiUser will take a few changes.
>
> single executable version
>
> If you are using the single executable version then you will need to edit 
> the tiddlywiki.info file in the IndexWiki folder. There is a line 
> (probably line 4) that reads
> "OokTech/MultiUser"
> change that line to
> "OokTech/Bob"
>
> plugin version
>
> If you are using the plugin version, in addition to changing the 
> tiddlywiki.info file for your root wiki, you will need to either: 1) 
> change the remote url of the plugin repo or 2) just delete the old plugin 
> and clone Bob again.
>
> Other than that, everything should be compatible.
>
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
> or if you prefer there  is a link for PayPal here
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Slideshow Presentation edition / tools/ pluging

[Birthe C]

Mat's PPTW http://pptw.tiddlyspot.com/
CPA TW for Bunnies http://tw-for-bunnies.tiddlyspot.com/
Thomas Elmiger Slideshows https://tid.li/tw5/styles.html#Slideshows

Birthe



tirsdag den 15. maj 2018 kl. 08.07.30 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>
> Great, Thanks
> Recorded
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:19:17 PM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Based on @TonyM idea I appreciate all people in this group to help 
>> collecting all TW resources on the application of Tiddlywiki for 
>> presentation and slisw sow.
>> This can be later used in the @TonyM resource collection.
>>
>>
>> I have listed below those I have found from this forum. Please complete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- *TalkyTalky*:
>>https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/
>>- *Showroom:*   
>>http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/
>>- *WizardWizard:*  
>>https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/WizardWizard/
>>- *SlidesnStories (presnter):*   
>>http://slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com/#About
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Jed Carty]

Bob should support editing tiddler files while it is running but I haven't 
done any testing changing many tiddler files simultaneously so I am not 
sure how it would react.

Also it can already export single file wikis. Documentation is 
here: 
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/blob/master/Documentation/WebSocketMessages/WebSocketMessage-buildHTMLWiki.tid

The error Tony showed was an error from TiddlyServer, it looks like it 
crashes if you try to go to a url it isn't expecting. I don't do 
development for tiddlyserver so I can't really help with that, it isn't an 
error with Bob.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Dear Jed & Bob

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Bob doesn't support single file wikis yet, and even when it does it won't 
> be the same as what TiddlyServer does. 
>

Bloody good idea not to clone what exists. Bob should keep Bob's character: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-k7G9qMdGg

FWIW, Bob turned me on to be able to edit .tids in a text editor in bulk 
(not when Bob is running!). I like that. It gives me enough of node for my 
needs without the rest of the milarky I can't cope with.

Regarding support for "single file" TW's... 

Practically what I need is only to be able to save a "folder" TW to a 
single file version. 

I doubt I would actually use single file wikis via it. I can't see the 
advantage (not that I have anything agin it). 

Why are you (TonyM) trying to open a wiki from Bob in tiddlyserver?
>

Regarding using "Folders of Tids" in other apps. I have myself played a bit 
with including a wiki in TiddlyDesktop (not when Bob is at work!). FWIW, 
right now I'm using Bob to help make things. And TiddlyDesktop to show off 
Bob's handiwork. Seems to work out well.

Just my thoughts. 
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Kalmir]

Andreas, I think this is pure awesomeness! I have been considering to build 
mem palaces in Minecraft but havn't got to it yet.

Is it difficult to set up your solution (for a non-coder, half-geek)?


On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:44:47 PM UTC+2, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote 
> a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the 
> purposes of exploring memory palaces. The idea was that you could link 
> up places within your Minecraft world to tiddlers within your wiki, 
> which would help you both remember facts and visualize content from your 
> wiki. 
>
> After I got an initial version to work, I more or less ran out of ideas 
> and put the project aside for a bit, but I thought it might be 
> interesting to show it off, so here is a small video of how it works: 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs 
>
> (Note: I have two monitors, so usually this sort of concept is a lot 
> more usable) 
>
> /Andreas 
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jeremy & all

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> The differences between browsers are sufficiently frustrating that I don't 
> propose to use the accessKey attribute in the core UI. If we want global 
> keyboard shortcuts we'll need to do it properly: a new startup module that 
> listens to key events on the document, reusing the existing keyboard 
> shortcuts pane in the control panel.
>

Right. 

My interest in this is also partly TiddlyDesktop related ("Theme: Make More 
Like A Browser but without making it one") . IMO its much better to have a 
universal way forward with key-combos. In addition it could maybe overcome 
some of the small limitations in TiddlyDesktop (not being a browser per se, 
just using a core Chrome engine, lacks both Chrome Browser keys and 
right-click options) in a manageable way. 

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Showroom at http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/

[Birthe C]

Hi Mohammad,
Sorry, I did see you question and looked at the now rather old showroom. I 
updated it in january of this year and changed a bit. I updated it again 
when I saw your question and tried so see if i could do something. I do not 
know how to make it support the shortcut you mentioned. I do see the slides 
in the order shown in the list field, dragging and dropping on the list 
changes the order. So I really do not understand, sorry.

Also I think there are some much better examples around now.

Let's hope you or someone else have some good ideas.

Birthe



søndag den 13. maj 2018 kl. 18.52.19 UTC+2 skrev Mohammad:
>
> Showroom at http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/ is a simple and useful 
> presentation edition.
> I appreciate @Birthe the creator  of this plugin.
>
> There are some issues right now with forward/backward and reordering the 
> slides.
> Also it would be great if it supports the shortcut for navigation 
> (next/previous/main list)
>
>
> Best
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Jed Carty]

Tony,

I will try to answer the questions in order.

0 - Bob doesn't support single file wikis yet, and even when it does it 
won't be the same as what TiddlyServer does. The plan is to have Bob create 
a temporary node wiki from the single file wiki so it can have all of Bob 
features and it will autosave to the single file version. I hope to make 
switching between using the single html file and node seamless doing this.
1 - otherwiki is just the name given to the wiki. Wikis need to have unique 
names because they are what determines the url for that wiki. But you can 
have the same name if you have things like this:
wikis: {
  "group1":{
 "aname": "/some/other/path"
  },
  "aname": "/some/path"
}
where you would have a wiki at localhost:8080/aname and another wiki at 
localhost:8080/group1/aname, so the full path has to be unique, not 
specifically the last part.
2 - The paths are to the folders that have the tiddlywiki.info files
3 - The ~ is used in unix systems to point to the home folder of the 
current user. I don't think that windows has an equivalent. If you replace 
~ with 'c:\Users\inmysocks' (and switch / to \) you would get something 
like what you would have in windows.
4 - In file paths '.' represents the current working directory. Which in 
this case in the location of the executable. It is how you make relative 
paths. So './Wikis/tw5docs' would be the same as putting in 
'C:\Users\inmysocks\TiddlyWiki\Wikis\tw5docs' assuming that the executable 
was located in 'C:\Users\inmysocks\TiddlyWiki\'
5 - It looks like you have both Bob and tiddlyserver running at the same 
time and that error message is something from TiddlyServer. Having both 
running at the same time for the same wikis is redundant and will most 
likely just break things. Why are you trying to open a wiki from Bob in 
tiddlyserver?

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[tw5] Re: TW on Twitter -- Computational Notebooks in TW? ...

[Diane J. Babin]

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/soc.women/6wb7jD5xF8A
On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 10:44:55 PM UTC+5:30, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This didn't go publicly far yet because TiddlyWiki, though slowly growing 
> on Twitter, doesn't yet have quite enough followers. (I'm sure it will 
> come. Its grown a lot over the last year.)
>
> But this was a very interesting recent conversation about "Computational 
> Notebooks". 
>
> I not seen anything about them here so thought I'd just post a bit of it. 
> Here is just the last part of it ...
>
> 
> Greg Wilson @gvwilson 
> I keep coming back to TiddlyWiki tiddlywiki.com  
> and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiddlyWiki 
>
> Greg Wilson @gvwilson 
> What would a computational notebook based on TiddlyWiki look like? Is 
> there a grad student out there somewhere exploring this space?
>
> Mike Stok @MikeStok 
> Replying to @gvwilson
> @joeerl  might have an idea of what a 
> computational notebook based on TiddlyWiki might look like… maybe
>
> @TiddlyTweeter 
> Replying to @MikeStok @gvwilson @joeerl
> ... also ask @EvanBalster 
>
> Evan @EvanBalster 
> Replying to @TiddlyTweeter @MikeStok and 2 others
> Super interested in this topic. I implemented recursive spreadsheet math 
> for TW to probe this space. evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/for… 
> 
>
> Greg Wilson @gvwilson 
> Replying to @EvanBalster @TiddlyTweeter and 2 others
> I'd be very interested in chatting more - I'm gvwilson@**.com if you 
> have time to do so. Thanks!
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[TonyM]

Update;

I just got TiddlyWeb edition created and working from Bob

Tony

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 5:43:21 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Jed,
>
> I am finally exploring Bob. I stated before I am happy to generate some 
> Windows Documentation to support you.
>
> In your previous conversations has it become clearer how to specify 
> external wikis in Windows?
> I have Bob running on ports 8084 8085 to avoid conflicts with webDav
> I have tiddlyServer running on port 8088 to avoid conflicts with both
>
> I have single file and Node Wikis Which I can happily access with 
> TiddlyServer but in that case "we specify the folders in settings.info" 
> and browse to Node or Single File installs. So its settings.json need be 
> the same as that of Bobs.
>
> If you do not yet have any details please answer these Questions to help 
> me. As a Starter I am using the SingleFileVersion.
>
> 'otherwiki': ~/Documents/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/Bob
>
>
>- In the above example otherwiki is just a name to appear in the link?
>- ~/Documents/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/Bob is a path to a folder install of 
>TiddlyWiki? (in which resides a tiddlywiki.info file?)
>- The Tilde in the above ~ represents the location of the executable?
>- In Wikis created from within bob I get as below ".\" this should be 
>the windows equivalent of "~\"
>
> Please tell me, in the single executable version how does it source the 
> editions content? 
>
>
> If for example I create A TiddlyWiki from the editions say tw5.com-docs
> "wikis": { 
>
>"tw5docs": ".\Wikis\tw5docs"
>
>
> The Server Window reads
> NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
> Added route /^\/tw5docs\/?$/
> Websockets listening on  8085
> Serving on 127.0.0.1:8084
> (press ctrl-C to exit)
>  syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
> new connection
>
>
> I get http://127.0.0.1:8084/tw5docs as the destination of the link
> When I click on this the Server (running bob) terminates and as a result I 
> get Unable to connect in firefox.
>
> With TiddlyServer 
>
>- If I browse to http://127.0.0.1:8088/Instances/Bob/Wikis/tw5docs it 
>also abends, the attached text is its error messages
>- However I can Open http://127.0.0.1:8088/Instances/Bob/IndexWiki 
>without trouble.
>
> With bob It autoopens at http://127.0.0.1:8084/ in the index wiki and its 
> fine.
>
> I am totally at a loss, so if you can clarify anything I may be able to 
> proceed.
>
> Please note I would love to add my existing file and folder wikis to Bob 
> but If bob or TiddlyServer cant even access bob created wikis I am at a 
> loss how to proceed.
>
> I have also attached the tw5docs tiddlywiki.info file should it help. 
>
> Thanks in Advance
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 4:02:07 PM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> Ed, 
>>
>> The button to set the host may be set up incorrectly. I did change some 
>> things about how setting the host works and I may have missed updating 
>> that. For now you may have to do it manually.
>>
>> A deleted tiddler reappearing sounds like a bug, I will have to track 
>> that down when I have time.
>>
>> Stobot,
>>
>> have you had any trouble other than the setting the host after you 
>> replaced the executable? There may be some problems with the old settings 
>> files between the last version of MultiUser and version 1.0.0 of Bob, 
>> hopefully moving forward you should be able to just replace the executable 
>> file and not worry about the other parts.
>>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> Are you using version 1.0.0? If so there is a bug where some settings 
>> files (pallet, story view, theme and some button visibility) were not saved 
>> correctly in version 1.0.0 that is fixed in version 1.0.1, so using the 
>> newer version should fix the problem.
>>
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[TonyM]

Jed,

I am finally exploring Bob. I stated before I am happy to generate some 
Windows Documentation to support you.

In your previous conversations has it become clearer how to specify 
external wikis in Windows?
I have Bob running on ports 8084 8085 to avoid conflicts with webDav
I have tiddlyServer running on port 8088 to avoid conflicts with both

I have single file and Node Wikis Which I can happily access with 
TiddlyServer but in that case "we specify the folders in settings.info" and 
browse to Node or Single File installs. So its settings.json need be the 
same as that of Bobs.

If you do not yet have any details please answer these Questions to help 
me. As a Starter I am using the SingleFileVersion.

'otherwiki': ~/Documents/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/Bob


   - In the above example otherwiki is just a name to appear in the link?
   - ~/Documents/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/Bob is a path to a folder install of 
   TiddlyWiki? (in which resides a tiddlywiki.info file?)
   - The Tilde in the above ~ represents the location of the executable?
   - In Wikis created from within bob I get as below ".\" this should be 
   the windows equivalent of "~\"

Please tell me, in the single executable version how does it source the 
editions content? 


If for example I create A TiddlyWiki from the editions say tw5.com-docs
"wikis": { 
   
   "tw5docs": ".\Wikis\tw5docs"


The Server Window reads
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
Added route /^\/tw5docs\/?$/
Websockets listening on  8085
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8084
(press ctrl-C to exit)
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection


I get http://127.0.0.1:8084/tw5docs as the destination of the link
When I click on this the Server (running bob) terminates and as a result I 
get Unable to connect in firefox.

With TiddlyServer 

   - If I browse to http://127.0.0.1:8088/Instances/Bob/Wikis/tw5docs it 
   also abends, the attached text is its error messages
   - However I can Open http://127.0.0.1:8088/Instances/Bob/IndexWiki 
   without trouble.

With bob It autoopens at http://127.0.0.1:8084/ in the index wiki and its 
fine.

I am totally at a loss, so if you can clarify anything I may be able to 
proceed.

Please note I would love to add my existing file and folder wikis to Bob 
but If bob or TiddlyServer cant even access bob created wikis I am at a 
loss how to proceed.

I have also attached the tw5docs tiddlywiki.info file should it help. 

Thanks in Advance
Tony


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 4:02:07 PM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Ed, 
>
> The button to set the host may be set up incorrectly. I did change some 
> things about how setting the host works and I may have missed updating 
> that. For now you may have to do it manually.
>
> A deleted tiddler reappearing sounds like a bug, I will have to track that 
> down when I have time.
>
> Stobot,
>
> have you had any trouble other than the setting the host after you 
> replaced the executable? There may be some problems with the old settings 
> files between the last version of MultiUser and version 1.0.0 of Bob, 
> hopefully moving forward you should be able to just replace the executable 
> file and not worry about the other parts.
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Are you using version 1.0.0? If so there is a bug where some settings 
> files (pallet, story view, theme and some button visibility) were not saved 
> correctly in version 1.0.0 that is fixed in version 1.0.1, so using the 
> newer version should fix the problem.
>

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twboot-C:\Data\TW5\Instances\Bob\Wikis\tw5docs: 133.397ms
  DAT  2018-05-15 17:22:28  error starting /Instances/Bob/Wikis/tw5docs at 
C:\Data\TW5\Instances\Bob\Wikis\tw5docs: Error: ENOENT: no such file or 
directory, open 
'C:\Data\TW5\Instances\Bob\Wikis\tw5.com\tiddlers\system\DefaultTiddlers.tid'
  at Object.fs.openSync (fs.js:646:18)
  at Object.fs.readFileSync (fs.js:551:33)
  at processFile 
(C:\Data\TW5\Hosting\TiddlyServer-2.0.12\tiddlywiki\boot\boot.js:1549:14)
  at 
C:\Data\TW5\Hosting\TiddlyServer-2.0.12\tiddlywiki\boot\boot.js:1608:3
  at Object.$tw.utils.each 
(C:\Data\TW5\Hosting\TiddlyServer-2.0.12\tiddlywiki\boot\boot.js:69:12)
  at Object.$tw.loadTiddlersFromSpecification 

Re: [tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[Jeremy Ruston]

The motivation for adding the accessKey attribute to the button and link 
widgets is that it is a standard HTML5 feature, and we're just passing the 
attribute through. (I can't find any references to the attribute being dropped 
from the standard).

The differences between browsers are sufficiently frustrating that I don't 
propose to use the accessKey attribute in the core UI. If we want global 
keyboard shortcuts we'll need to do it properly: a new startup module that 
listens to key events on the document, reusing the existing keyboard shortcuts 
pane in the control panel.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 15 May 2018, at 08:25, PMario  wrote:
> 
>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 3:43:01 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>> One question, it seems support for accesskey will be dropped for HTML5 
>> standard,
> 
> That's not true. TiddlyWiki has keyboard handling functions. But implementing 
> key-handling libraries is only 20% of the work, that has to be done. ... 
> JavaScript libraries are only useful for "core" or plugin developers.
> 
> In TiddlyWiki we need the possibility to provide this functionality for 
> "advanced users" in wikitext, using widgets.
> 
>  - We have the keyboard-widget, which allows advanced users to deal with 
> shortcuts. 
>  see: EditTemplate and several others
> - The keyboard-widget maps shortcuts to tiddlywiki actions. using 
> action-widgets
>  - and so on. ... 
> 
> For most "pages" keyboard handling is simple, because they dispaly "static" 
> content, with a hand full of input elements. Those pages are created by 
> developers. The users are "locked in" to be "consumers" and can fill forms, 
> that sombody else statically defined  
> 
> In TW we have a highly dynamic UI, that can be modified by "end-users", to be 
> able to be "content producers". There is no limit how many "forms" (tiddlers 
> in edit mode) are open at the same time. ... That's a big difference!
>  
>> also different browsers react differently to accesskey,
> 
> It's not only different browsers. .. It's also different OSes that have 
> sligtly different approaches and implementations. eg: Ctrl-key, Cmd-Key and 
> Alt-Key .. That's why TW "$:/ControlPanel: Kayboard Shortcuts" tab allows us 
> to configure every OS separately if needed. 
> 
> There are some common shortcuts, everyone knows, that can't be used in 
> browser-apps, since the browser catches them. No matter what you do! eg: 
> Ctrl-S, Ctrl-N  
>  
>> so don't you think a JavaScript solution maybe be a better solution in long 
>> time?
> 
> That's right. We already use one ... But as I wrote, that's only part of the 
> game. We need to find ways to make it availalbe for our "wikitext-users", 
> with consistency and acceptable complexity.
> 
> The proposed pull-request may be only the first step, to get more 
> flexibility. 
> 
> Everyone is welcome to add comments to the discussion. 
> 
> have fun!
> mario
> 
> 
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[tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[PMario]

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 3:43:01 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>
> One question, it seems support for accesskey will be dropped for HTML5 
> standard, 


That's not true. TiddlyWiki has keyboard handling functions. But 
implementing key-handling libraries is only 20% of the work, that has to be 
done. ... JavaScript libraries are only useful for "core" or plugin 
developers.

In TiddlyWiki we need the possibility to provide this functionality for 
"advanced users" in wikitext, using widgets.

 - We have the keyboard-widget , 
which allows advanced users to deal with shortcuts. 
 see: EditTemplate 
 and several 
others
- The keyboard-widget maps shortcuts to tiddlywiki actions. using 
action-widgets 
 - and so on. ... 

For most "pages" keyboard handling is simple, because they dispaly "static" 
content, with a hand full of input elements. Those pages are created by 
developers. The users are "locked in" to be "consumers" and can fill forms, 
that sombody else statically defined  

In TW we have a highly dynamic UI, that can be modified by "end-users", to 
be able to be "content producers". There is no limit how many "forms" 
(tiddlers in edit mode) are open at the same time. ... That's a big 
difference!
 

> also different browsers react differently to accesskey,


It's not only different browsers. .. It's also different OSes that have 
sligtly different approaches and implementations. eg: Ctrl-key, Cmd-Key and 
Alt-Key .. That's why TW "*$:/ControlPanel 
: Kayboard Shortcuts"* tab 
allows us to configure every OS separately if needed. 

There are some common shortcuts, everyone knows, that can't be used in 
browser-apps, since the browser catches them. No matter what you do! eg: 
Ctrl-S, Ctrl-N  
 

> so don't you think a JavaScript solution maybe be a better solution in 
> long time?


That's right. We already use one ... But as I wrote, that's only part of 
the game. We need to find ways to make it availalbe for our 
"wikitext-users", with consistency and acceptable complexity.

The proposed pull-request 
 may be only the first 
step, to get more flexibility. 

Everyone is welcome to add comments to the discussion. 

have fun!
mario



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[tw5] Re: Idea/Request: A command line interface for TW

[tony]

Hi,

For a directory of files as with a node installation

I've found both of these work well between emacs evil org mode toggled with 
a tmux pane of vim

emacs: https://jblevins.org/projects/deft/
vim: https://github.com/vimwiki/vimwiki

but I prefer TiddlyWiki as a standalone html with CodeMirror editor set to 
vim.

Native standalone TW search and CodeMirror vim command line mode with 
:s/find/replace is quite wonderful :-)

Best,
tony


On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 7:07:05 AM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I recently came across this Memo tool:
>
> https://github.com/mattn/memo
>
> and thought something like that would be a great interface to TW (there is 
> a gif showing terminal usage of the tool). I've tried to hack something 
> like this together in the past with my scripts to create a tiddler from the 
> command line and even watch a directory to create a tiddler when a new PDF 
> is placed in the directory.
>
> Anyway, I think this might be a cool idea/interface to quickly 
> adding/searching tiddlers from the CL.
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Slideshow Presentation edition / tools/ pluging

[TonyM]

Great, Thanks
Recorded
Tony

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:19:17 PM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Based on @TonyM idea I appreciate all people in this group to help 
> collecting all TW resources on the application of Tiddlywiki for 
> presentation and slisw sow.
> This can be later used in the @TonyM resource collection.
>
>
> I have listed below those I have found from this forum. Please complete
>
>
>
>
>- *TalkyTalky*:
>https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/
>- *Showroom:*   
>http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/
>- *WizardWizard:*  
>https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/WizardWizard/
>- *SlidesnStories (presnter):*   
>http://slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com/#About
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Jed Carty]

Ed, 

The button to set the host may be set up incorrectly. I did change some 
things about how setting the host works and I may have missed updating 
that. For now you may have to do it manually.

A deleted tiddler reappearing sounds like a bug, I will have to track that 
down when I have time.

Stobot,

have you had any trouble other than the setting the host after you replaced 
the executable? There may be some problems with the old settings files 
between the last version of MultiUser and version 1.0.0 of Bob, hopefully 
moving forward you should be able to just replace the executable file and 
not worry about the other parts.

Mohammad,

Are you using version 1.0.0? If so there is a bug where some settings files 
(pallet, story view, theme and some button visibility) were not saved 
correctly in version 1.0.0 that is fixed in version 1.0.1, so using the 
newer version should fix the problem.

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