[tw5] Re: Tiddlyshow application

[Mohammad]

Many thanks Tony!

Cheers
Mohammad

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 10:04:18 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I support your endevor and would suggest nothing else. I have some ideas 
> that will make use simpler and not need as much background knowledge of 
> Tiddly-wiki. 
>
> I think you must not underestimate the value of being a user/Developer who 
> can define clearly what they need and execute it in time. It is your 
> ignorance of the methods and code that help you see it from the user 
> perspective. 
>
> Goodwork
> Tony
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 3:16:17 PM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony,
>>  If you noticed there are some great plugins, codes, ... for TW but most 
>> of them are not suitable for final user and their usage needs a level of 
>> knowledge in Tiddlywiki core.
>> By application, I mean a version of Tiddlywiki targeted a specific area 
>> of usage in this case presentation, lecturing, slideshow.
>> I want to introduce it to students and lecturers and it should be enough 
>> easy to adopt for presentation and comparable to PowerPoint or  Beamer, ...
>>
>> So, I will try to put the required capabilities into it NOT MORE, these 
>> are
>>
>>- Clean interface
>>- Visual elements as macro or master templates for different type of 
>>slides
>>- Themes
>>- Short learning curve
>>- Documentation (quick tutorial, and help for a more advanced users)
>>
>> Of course this is not a short term roadmap. I will improve it constantly 
>> at my spare time and will try to keep it alive.
>> One more point, I am not a good programmer in TW and I am sure there are 
>> people in this group can create much better apps
>> in much shorter time. 
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
>>- 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 6:41:19 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for your contribution, this looks "shmick:, really nice, 
>>> and beautifully self documented. I can see some improvements, not so much 
>>> in the result, you have that, but in the workflow to build content and to 
>>> display it. Perhaps if you want to change it into an application? (What do 
>>> you mean?).
>>>
>>> I will not list these additional methods until you ask, this is your 
>>> time in the sun, 
>>>
>>> Good Work.
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 7:50:12 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:

 A new version of Tiddlyshow application is  available!

 http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/

 A small HowTo has been added to help new users!


 This version has the keybinding for using shortcut keys during 
 slideshow.
 Many thanks to Simon (BurningTreeC) for his kind help and the great 
 KeeBoord plugin.

 Still there are some adjustments remained, I will implement in the next 
 version. These are like having shortcuts working only in presentation mode 
 and
 slide masters for different types. I also will adopt a subset of 
 bootstrap CSS framework for visual elements like boxes, badges, ...



 Cheers
 Mohammad

 On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:10:20 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Tiddlyshow is a new application from Tiddlywiki. I call it an app or 
> application not an edition not a plugin.
> It is used for presentation and slideshow. It is objective is to be a 
> simple yet powerful presenter based on html5 and wiki
>
> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> [To start the slideshow click on the small button on top-left corner]
>
> This is based on the work of many developer and helpfull comments and 
> answer to question in this forum.
> Part of codes is borrowed from the great work by Mat, Birth, BTC, 
> Tobias, Jed, Jeremy, Thomas, Tony, Eric, David,  ...
> (Sorry if I forgot a name ...)
>
> I appreciate to have a look and let me your opinion, your comments. I 
> will later upload this to Github in the hope
> people find it useful and advanced users and developers from this 
> forum contribute to improve it or fork and make better app.
>
>
> I hope I can add the following features when I had enough time
>  - themes (styles, colors, fonts)
>  - effects
>  - shortcut keys
>  - export to pdf
>
> I try to have tiddlyshow as an app for final users.
>
> Note: In this application some codes or plugin has been directly or 
> indirectly used! I tried to appreciate them. I did not see a licence 
> policy 
> for them.
> By the way let me know if there is a violation!
>
>
> Best regards
> Mohammad
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyshow application

[TonyM]

Mohammad,

I support your endevor and would suggest nothing else. I have some ideas 
that will make use simpler and not need as much background knowledge of 
Tiddly-wiki. 

I think you must not underestimate the value of being a user/Developer who 
can define clearly what they need and execute it in time. It is your 
ignorance of the methods and code that help you see it from the user 
perspective. 

Goodwork
Tony

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 3:16:17 PM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>  If you noticed there are some great plugins, codes, ... for TW but most 
> of them are not suitable for final user and their usage needs a level of 
> knowledge in Tiddlywiki core.
> By application, I mean a version of Tiddlywiki targeted a specific area of 
> usage in this case presentation, lecturing, slideshow.
> I want to introduce it to students and lecturers and it should be enough 
> easy to adopt for presentation and comparable to PowerPoint or  Beamer, ...
>
> So, I will try to put the required capabilities into it NOT MORE, these are
>
>- Clean interface
>- Visual elements as macro or master templates for different type of 
>slides
>- Themes
>- Short learning curve
>- Documentation (quick tutorial, and help for a more advanced users)
>
> Of course this is not a short term roadmap. I will improve it constantly 
> at my spare time and will try to keep it alive.
> One more point, I am not a good programmer in TW and I am sure there are 
> people in this group can create much better apps
> in much shorter time. 
>
> Best
> Mohammad
>
>- 
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 6:41:19 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> Thanks so much for your contribution, this looks "shmick:, really nice, 
>> and beautifully self documented. I can see some improvements, not so much 
>> in the result, you have that, but in the workflow to build content and to 
>> display it. Perhaps if you want to change it into an application? (What do 
>> you mean?).
>>
>> I will not list these additional methods until you ask, this is your time 
>> in the sun, 
>>
>> Good Work.
>> Tony
>>
>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 7:50:12 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> A new version of Tiddlyshow application is  available!
>>>
>>> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> A small HowTo has been added to help new users!
>>>
>>>
>>> This version has the keybinding for using shortcut keys during slideshow.
>>> Many thanks to Simon (BurningTreeC) for his kind help and the great 
>>> KeeBoord plugin.
>>>
>>> Still there are some adjustments remained, I will implement in the next 
>>> version. These are like having shortcuts working only in presentation mode 
>>> and
>>> slide masters for different types. I also will adopt a subset of 
>>> bootstrap CSS framework for visual elements like boxes, badges, ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:10:20 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:

 Tiddlyshow is a new application from Tiddlywiki. I call it an app or 
 application not an edition not a plugin.
 It is used for presentation and slideshow. It is objective is to be a 
 simple yet powerful presenter based on html5 and wiki

 http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/

 [To start the slideshow click on the small button on top-left corner]

 This is based on the work of many developer and helpfull comments and 
 answer to question in this forum.
 Part of codes is borrowed from the great work by Mat, Birth, BTC, 
 Tobias, Jed, Jeremy, Thomas, Tony, Eric, David,  ...
 (Sorry if I forgot a name ...)

 I appreciate to have a look and let me your opinion, your comments. I 
 will later upload this to Github in the hope
 people find it useful and advanced users and developers from this forum 
 contribute to improve it or fork and make better app.


 I hope I can add the following features when I had enough time
  - themes (styles, colors, fonts)
  - effects
  - shortcut keys
  - export to pdf

 I try to have tiddlyshow as an app for final users.

 Note: In this application some codes or plugin has been directly or 
 indirectly used! I tried to appreciate them. I did not see a licence 
 policy 
 for them.
 By the way let me know if there is a violation!


 Best regards
 Mohammad





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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyshow application

[Mohammad]

Hi Tony,
 If you noticed there are some great plugins, codes, ... for TW but most of 
them are not suitable for final user and their usage needs a level of 
knowledge in Tiddlywiki core.
By application, I mean a version of Tiddlywiki targeted a specific area of 
usage in this case presentation, lecturing, slideshow.
I want to introduce it to students and lecturers and it should be enough 
easy to adopt for presentation and comparable to PowerPoint or  Beamer, ...

So, I will try to put the required capabilities into it NOT MORE, these are

   - Clean interface
   - Visual elements as macro or master templates for different type of 
   slides
   - Themes
   - Short learning curve
   - Documentation (quick tutorial, and help for a more advanced users)

Of course this is not a short term roadmap. I will improve it constantly at 
my spare time and will try to keep it alive.
One more point, I am not a good programmer in TW and I am sure there are 
people in this group can create much better apps
in much shorter time. 

Best
Mohammad

   - 
   



On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 6:41:19 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Thanks so much for your contribution, this looks "shmick:, really nice, 
> and beautifully self documented. I can see some improvements, not so much 
> in the result, you have that, but in the workflow to build content and to 
> display it. Perhaps if you want to change it into an application? (What do 
> you mean?).
>
> I will not list these additional methods until you ask, this is your time 
> in the sun, 
>
> Good Work.
> Tony
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 7:50:12 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> A new version of Tiddlyshow application is  available!
>>
>> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> A small HowTo has been added to help new users!
>>
>>
>> This version has the keybinding for using shortcut keys during slideshow.
>> Many thanks to Simon (BurningTreeC) for his kind help and the great 
>> KeeBoord plugin.
>>
>> Still there are some adjustments remained, I will implement in the next 
>> version. These are like having shortcuts working only in presentation mode 
>> and
>> slide masters for different types. I also will adopt a subset of 
>> bootstrap CSS framework for visual elements like boxes, badges, ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mohammad
>>
>> On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:10:20 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Tiddlyshow is a new application from Tiddlywiki. I call it an app or 
>>> application not an edition not a plugin.
>>> It is used for presentation and slideshow. It is objective is to be a 
>>> simple yet powerful presenter based on html5 and wiki
>>>
>>> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> [To start the slideshow click on the small button on top-left corner]
>>>
>>> This is based on the work of many developer and helpfull comments and 
>>> answer to question in this forum.
>>> Part of codes is borrowed from the great work by Mat, Birth, BTC, 
>>> Tobias, Jed, Jeremy, Thomas, Tony, Eric, David,  ...
>>> (Sorry if I forgot a name ...)
>>>
>>> I appreciate to have a look and let me your opinion, your comments. I 
>>> will later upload this to Github in the hope
>>> people find it useful and advanced users and developers from this forum 
>>> contribute to improve it or fork and make better app.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope I can add the following features when I had enough time
>>>  - themes (styles, colors, fonts)
>>>  - effects
>>>  - shortcut keys
>>>  - export to pdf
>>>
>>> I try to have tiddlyshow as an app for final users.
>>>
>>> Note: In this application some codes or plugin has been directly or 
>>> indirectly used! I tried to appreciate them. I did not see a licence policy 
>>> for them.
>>> By the way let me know if there is a violation!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Bob - options for remembering users?

[TonyM]

As far as I can see there are multiple ways to handle user login, the only 
hassle I see is reducing the need to always login by each independent user 
by allowing the browser to carry the login name so Every time I return it 
knows my name, and when you return it remembers yours. With the option to 
login as an alternate name.

Even just setting the user name on loading a tiddly wiki provides great 
features. such that the created by and modified by files can indicate owner 
ship of tiddlers, you can review who created modified what.  I even see 
such user IDs used by one person as useful such as wearing a different hat. 
Designer, Admin, user etc...

Passwords etc... have be handled by the browser or password vault for 
common reuse or we can force a re-login every time for more security.

If Cookies are on the way out we need to find what replaces them.

I also think we could have a form of encryption the decrypts a users 
profile and make features and setting available to that user. Its not that 
a hack cant get past this more to help divide the interface into user admin 
and dev uses. It helps a user if they do not see generalised buttons when 
they are not relevant. If not description occurs and no custom config they 
just get the base minimum.

I have always felt that the security of systems often damages the 
functional value of indicating who a user is or different modes.

Regards
Tony




On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 1:24:07 AM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I have some other things that store information in cookies, that part 
> isn't hard to do. If you want to just have the name set when the wiki is 
> loaded in a browser than that is doable without too much work as long as it 
> doesn't have any authentication. If the IP address or url of the server 
> changes than you would have to re-enter the name but that is true of the 
> password fields also.
>
> I think someone made a plugin for storing information in cookies but I 
> never really looked into it.
>

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[tw5] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

[TonyM]

Marion,

Requirements to support unique-ID's

As discussed elsewhere It would be great to get Uni-links help support 
Unique IDs for tiddlers. I believe it may be a quite simple modification.

Current

   - Assuming a tiddler has a unique-id field is is currently only a matter 
   of adding the unique ID to the aliases list.
   - Then this tiddler can always be referred to as [[20180601231113983|?]] 
   regardless of any future name.
   - However this currently displays as a link 20180601231113983 
   
,
 
   Ideally this would display the subtitle, caption and title before and 
   instead of the alias.
   

Unique ID support


   - To assist and generalise perhaps there could be an alt-name field in 
   tiddlers that one could populate (with the Unique-id) and other alternative 
   names, or even name the unique-id field
   - As far as I can see the only difference to an alias is the display 
   tittle would be the current (subtitle, caption or title} of the tiddler 
   containing the alias.
   - In its own field or included in the list of aliases the user just 
   needs to honour the convention (make it unique, and not edit or delete this 
   value) which you could recover by searching for its use anyway, and if not 
   used simply regenerated.


I think a Editor Tool bar option to support the tiddler selection of using 
(the current) tiddler name  (with an alt-name)  but inserts an alias to the 
alt-name not the tiddler title. I think I can make this.

What would be seriously nice is if we could transclude a tiddler using its 
Alias or uniqueID because even templates and other special tiddlers could 
become name independent.

Transcluding items by their alias could allow the alias to change where it 
is set (ie change the relevant tiddler) or permit multiples to be 
trancluded because they share the alias. 

This would be a simpler way to replicate the behaviour of display items 
tagged such as in view and page templates, without using tags.

Regards
Tony








On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 6:08:58 PM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Folks, 
>
> I pushed out the "uni-link" plugin 
>  [1]:  discussed in a 
> different thread [2], here in the group. 
>
> Intro-Video: latest: https://youtu.be/V9l-vipAoNw
>
> It's a new parser for the the TW link / prettylink detection: eg: [[test]]  
> ... it links to the tiddler named: test  but it shows a different text. 
> Depending on the fields available at the "test" tiddler. If used like this: 
> [[prettylink 
> text|test]] it behaves as in existing TWs. No special function used. 
> prettylink 
> text will be shown.
>
> eg: 
> title: test
> caption: short title
> subtitle: a tiddler to test the uni-link plugin
>
> So if the tiddler has no fields it shows: test
> If the tiddler has a "caption" field is shows:  short title
> If the tiddler has a "subtitle" field it shows: a tiddler to test the 
> uni-link plugin
> If the tiddler has both fields: a tiddler to test the uni-link plugin
>
> So *the subtitle field wins*.  
>
> This functionality is backwards compatible with existing tiddlywikis. So 
> if tiddlers are copy / pasted between TWs, that don't have the plugin 
> installed, it just falls back to the already existing behavior. Which imo 
> is a nice idea, created by Mark S. in the first reply post 
> . 
>
> There is a new parser "uni-link" that will be installed with the plugin. 
> This parser is enabled by default an it will supersede the "prettylink" 
> parser from the core. see: ControlPanel: Info: Advanced: Parsing
>
> So if [[test]] is parsed it will be translated into a macro call like 
> <>, but with the nice twist, that it also works with a 
> "fallback" if the plugin doesn't exist in a different TW. 
>
> @All  Feedback very welcome!
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
> [1] https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/uni-link/
> [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/Z7dRU3HrzSs
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

[TonyM]

David,

This makes a new window with curated external tiddlers available quite 
nicely

Eg Open in New Window the attached tiddler with an active iframe slider.tid


Tony

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 6:45:27 AM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> No, thank YOU - it works like a charm and looks a lot nicer than the 
> pukage I came up with.
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:39 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Yeah,  I forgot to remove that before posting.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> I got ride of the <> before 
>>> the end and it seems to work okay. Is that what it was? Or do I need to 
>>> leave that part there?
>>>
>>> David Gifford
>>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>>
>>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:03 PM, David Gifford  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Mark,

 Thanks! Is there a reason " $:/temp/iframeslider-suffering-1539240879 
 " appears below the slider?

 David Gifford
 Mexico team leader, Mexico City

 *Resonate Global Mission*
 *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
 A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
 resonateglobalmission.org


 On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's a stab:
>
> \define iframeslider(id:"0" textshow:"You forgot //Show// Text" link:"
> http://tiddlywiki.com/;)
> <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> 
> text="show">
> <$button
>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
> setTo="show">Open $textshow$<$reveal type="match"
> state=<> text="show">
> <$button
> class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
> setTo="hide">Hide $textshow$
>  type='text/html' class='tc-tiddly-viewer' />
> <>
> \end
>
> I jettisoned passing show/hide since those are just standard names. 
> Also, all you need for each one is an id to distinguish the state 
> variable 
> from all the others on the page. 
>
> So you invoke like:
>
> < https://dynalist.io/d/boHH1TBdlk3nHGNkjrXTTZQS#z=tdCT8e2hgNCBhJWikb4nmiNL;
>  
> >>
>  
> where "suffering" is the unique id. You can use the same id in another 
> tiddler, and it won't collide.
>
> I also changed the height/width setting so it's not in a postage-stamp 
> box, but you can easily change that back.
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:09:01 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Last night after reading this thread (
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I 
>> managed to create an ugly, clunky chunk of code for a slider button that 
>> opens and closes an iframe:
>>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>> <$button
>>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
>> setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
>> (Sproul)''<$reveal type="match" 
>> state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>> <$button 
>> class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
>> setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
>> (Sproul)''>  
>> class='tc-tiddly-viewer'>
>>
>> But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like
>>
>> <> ="">>
>>
>>
>> ...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same 
>> tiddler without it being quite as big a mess.
>>
>> Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?
>>
>> If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on 
>> books in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go 
>> into 
>> a TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders 
>> to 
>> iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't 
>> have 
>> to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes 
>> for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link 
>> and 
>> come back to the TW when I am done there.
>>
>> While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be 
>> used to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I 
>> was 
>> thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the 
>> toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can 
>> be done with not too much 

[tw5] Re: Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

[TonyM]

Mark,

Please see attached

You are very good at responding to peoples request. Could I add with Less 
than 3 mins work I took what you provided and created the attached tiddler, 
which also has a definition and examples in the tiddler which is tagged as 
a macro.

I think this makes it more accessible to new and busy users.

Regards
Tony




On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:48:41 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Here's a stab:
>
> \define iframeslider(id:"0" textshow:"You forgot //Show// Text" link:"
> http://tiddlywiki.com/;)
> <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text
> ="show">
> <$button
>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
> setTo="show">Open $textshow$<$reveal type="match"
> state=<> text="show">
> <$button
> class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
> setTo="hide">Hide $textshow$
> 
> <>
> \end
>
> I jettisoned passing show/hide since those are just standard names. Also, 
> all you need for each one is an id to distinguish the state variable from 
> all the others on the page. 
>
> So you invoke like:
>
> < https://dynalist.io/d/boHH1TBdlk3nHGNkjrXTTZQS#z=tdCT8e2hgNCBhJWikb4nmiNL; 
> >>
>  
> where "suffering" is the unique id. You can use the same id in another 
> tiddler, and it won't collide.
>
> I also changed the height/width setting so it's not in a postage-stamp 
> box, but you can easily change that back.
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:09:01 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Last night after reading this thread (
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I 
>> managed to create an ugly, clunky chunk of code for a slider button that 
>> opens and closes an iframe:
>>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>> <$button
>>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
>> setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
>> (Sproul)''<$reveal type="match" 
>> state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>> <$button 
>> class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
>> setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
>> (Sproul)''> class='tc-tiddly-viewer'>
>>
>> But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like
>>
>> <
>> >
>>
>>
>> ...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same tiddler 
>> without it being quite as big a mess.
>>
>> Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?
>>
>> If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on 
>> books in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go into 
>> a TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders to 
>> iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't have 
>> to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes 
>> for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link and 
>> come back to the TW when I am done there.
>>
>> While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be 
>> used to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I was 
>> thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the 
>> toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can be 
>> done with not too much trouble.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Importing tiddlers from standalone to node not keeping timestamp

[TonyM]

Your welcome Pat, always ask here for help!

Until we develop something else.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:12:31 PM UTC+10, Pat O'Brien wrote:
>
> Worked! Thank you
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:00:08 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I have not tested this, but perhaps try SideBar >  Tools > Timstamps (OFF)
>> Before Importing.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:25:24 AM UTC+10, Pat O'Brien wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there, I've been using a standalone html for years and now I am 
>>> migrating over to node. When I import into node its making all the 
>>> timestamps right now and not keeping those from the standalone file.
>>>
>>> I'm using the built in import tool and selecting the standalone file and 
>>> I also tried importing an exported json file - then clicking import. They 
>>> appear to have the right timestamps until I refresh the page, then they are 
>>> all the time right now
>>>
>>> Is there something I'm doing wrong? 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[TonyM]

Printing tiddlers?

I do not do it very often and prefer print to PDF

In firefox I open the tiddler with the content, including the transclusion 
of multiple tiddlers if required, if I want title to appear for each 
tiddler in this print I include them in the tiddler content. Basically I 
create a Print View Tiddler.

I open this print view tiddler in a new window, and print it (hamburger 
menu on right).

   - Of course you may want to change the zoom, shrink to fit, 
   - Ensure it uses landscape layout

I print to the PDF Printer - Foxit PDF

   - I can see a live preview
   - This gives me page setup options including
  - Margins, headers and footers and more
  - Page numbers etc...
   - And Printer properties
  - Folder/Filename
  - Fast webView Format
  - Ability to add Document info
   
The PDF opens in Foxit reader.

This is where I tend to stop. In part because the it is easy to return here 
if I make changes.

Keep in mind Foxit Reader allows you to further annotate the PDF file 
including;

   - Arrows/shapes/stamps/highlighter
   - Bookmarks
   - Notes comments, 


Untested lots of features including secure, sign, attachments, adding 
bookmarks (Saved in PDF)

You can export/import comments and highlights so you may be able to apply 
these again if you regenerate the PDF.
There are many export and conversion options under FoxIt reader.

Regards
Tony


However you can open the PDF in Word and do more if you must.





On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 8:44:00 PM UTC+10, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> How I print a tiddler:
>
> 1) Render the tiddler
> 2) Copy / paste it into a word processor
> 3) Fix any formatting that does not come out as expected
> 4) Return to TW5 to get the title (and subtitle)
> 5) Print from word processor
> 6) Any last minute changes from word processor (spelling, PS add-ons, etc) 
> are retyped into TW5
>
> I would like to know the process you use
>
> I found this in another discussion and created a tiddler with the 
> $:/tags/Stylesheet tag 
>
> @media print { @page { margin-right: 4.0cm; } }
>
> There are scant references to printing - how do you "print to PDF"?
>
> As you can see, mine is a very basic question
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Importing tiddlers from standalone to node not keeping timestamp

[Pat O'Brien]

Worked! Thank you

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:00:08 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
> I have not tested this, but perhaps try SideBar >  Tools > Timstamps (OFF)
> Before Importing.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:25:24 AM UTC+10, Pat O'Brien wrote:
>>
>> Hi there, I've been using a standalone html for years and now I am 
>> migrating over to node. When I import into node its making all the 
>> timestamps right now and not keeping those from the standalone file.
>>
>> I'm using the built in import tool and selecting the standalone file and 
>> I also tried importing an exported json file - then clicking import. They 
>> appear to have the right timestamps until I refresh the page, then they are 
>> all the time right now
>>
>> Is there something I'm doing wrong? 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyshow application

[TonyM]

Mohammad,

Thanks so much for your contribution, this looks "shmick:, really nice, and 
beautifully self documented. I can see some improvements, not so much in 
the result, you have that, but in the workflow to build content and to 
display it. Perhaps if you want to change it into an application? (What do 
you mean?).

I will not list these additional methods until you ask, this is your time 
in the sun, 

Good Work.
Tony

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 7:50:12 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>
> A new version of Tiddlyshow application is  available!
>
> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> A small HowTo has been added to help new users!
>
>
> This version has the keybinding for using shortcut keys during slideshow.
> Many thanks to Simon (BurningTreeC) for his kind help and the great 
> KeeBoord plugin.
>
> Still there are some adjustments remained, I will implement in the next 
> version. These are like having shortcuts working only in presentation mode 
> and
> slide masters for different types. I also will adopt a subset of bootstrap 
> CSS framework for visual elements like boxes, badges, ...
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
> On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:10:20 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Tiddlyshow is a new application from Tiddlywiki. I call it an app or 
>> application not an edition not a plugin.
>> It is used for presentation and slideshow. It is objective is to be a 
>> simple yet powerful presenter based on html5 and wiki
>>
>> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> [To start the slideshow click on the small button on top-left corner]
>>
>> This is based on the work of many developer and helpfull comments and 
>> answer to question in this forum.
>> Part of codes is borrowed from the great work by Mat, Birth, BTC, Tobias, 
>> Jed, Jeremy, Thomas, Tony, Eric, David,  ...
>> (Sorry if I forgot a name ...)
>>
>> I appreciate to have a look and let me your opinion, your comments. I 
>> will later upload this to Github in the hope
>> people find it useful and advanced users and developers from this forum 
>> contribute to improve it or fork and make better app.
>>
>>
>> I hope I can add the following features when I had enough time
>>  - themes (styles, colors, fonts)
>>  - effects
>>  - shortcut keys
>>  - export to pdf
>>
>> I try to have tiddlyshow as an app for final users.
>>
>> Note: In this application some codes or plugin has been directly or 
>> indirectly used! I tried to appreciate them. I did not see a licence policy 
>> for them.
>> By the way let me know if there is a violation!
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Importing tiddlers from standalone to node not keeping timestamp

[TonyM]

Pat,

I have not tested this, but perhaps try SideBar >  Tools > Timstamps (OFF)
Before Importing.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:25:24 AM UTC+10, Pat O'Brien wrote:
>
> Hi there, I've been using a standalone html for years and now I am 
> migrating over to node. When I import into node its making all the 
> timestamps right now and not keeping those from the standalone file.
>
> I'm using the built in import tool and selecting the standalone file and I 
> also tried importing an exported json file - then clicking import. They 
> appear to have the right timestamps until I refresh the page, then they are 
> all the time right now
>
> Is there something I'm doing wrong? 
>

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[TonyM]

Diego,,

I love this kind of problem, and are yet to fully understand each 
contributors view of this. It is however my Gut instinct to suggest you can 
achieve what you are asking for using Jeds GenTags 
 plugin to create 
generic tags fields. Basically you can create a separate tags field called 
relations and populate this as much as you wish knowing it is independent 
from your tags. When you want to place [[Tiddler 2]]
 [[Tiddler 3]] instead place the additional tag groupname for which 
[[Tiddler 2]] [[Tiddler 3]] (alternatively)tagged with groupname.

I suppose what I am saying is there is a relationship at any point in time 
you need a way to name the relationship, such that you can later alter the 
members in that relationship. In your example you are failing to encode 
this relationship as can be seen by you needing to visit multiple tiddlers 
to adjust it.

One trick is to ensure you have a named relationship where ever possible 

eg;  Call this the "somerel" with the members;
 * [[Tiddler 1]] 
* [[Tiddler 2]]
* [[Tiddler 3]]

All tiddlers that have this are tagged/Alt Tagged somerel

So now you can change the members in one place in somerel

Now you can clone this and create a new relationship called otherrel with 
different members
 * [[Tiddler 1]] 
* [[Tiddler 3]]

But you can use the somrel relationship to find all tiddlers that are 
candidates to change from somerel to otherrel.

For someone familiar with Databases and using a third table to index 
relationships between table1 and table2 the index table becomes two tables 
one for "table1 to table2" relationships, one for "table2 to table1" 
relationships, there are effectively two relationship tags. It depends if 
this is one-to-one (named tiddler) one-to-many (Relationship tag) or 
many-to-many (2 Relationship tags) 

Further with normal tags an alternative tags system in place you can clone 
or even have a custom Clone here button for new tiddlers and they can 
contain the original tiddlers tags and/or relationships fields and/or 
values. Thus as you build your tiddlers, you build the relationships.

Also I love placing tiddlers that display their content based on conditions 
in the view template and where necessary have a tag or alternative tag that 
can also toggle the display on and off.

For example if the Alternate tag field exists display the toggle, if 
toggled display all alternative tags, or provide a select alternative tag 
option and list all tiddlers tagged with that alternative tag. Jeds GenTags 
provides some of this out of the box.

I do not yet have a way to prove it but I believe TiddlyWiki allows you to 
encode simple through complex relationships such that you need no other 
tool to represent any complex relationship (in the universe) . Now that is 
a Subject for a data science or mathematics PHD.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:34:01 AM UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've been thinking a lot recently about how to handle tiddler "relations". 
> That is, I have some tiddlers that are *related* to others, but not 
> necessarily through (my version) of a tag relationship. I first just 
> started typing out a related section in each tiddler like this: 
>
> Tiddler 1
> -
> ...
> my content
> ...
>
> !! Related
>
> * [[Tiddler 2]]
> * [[Tiddler 3]]
>
>
> I quickly got tired of copy/pasting this into tiddler 2 and 3, so I turned 
> into a field, where each tiddler has a "related" field with the names of 
> tiddlers its related to. If this field is present, its automatically 
> displayed at the end as a list. 
>
> I am still *building* and *learning* and so these relationships change. 
> Say I want to say that they are all now related to a Tiddler 4. I have to 
> now go back and make changes to 3 tiddlers. As the process continues this 
> gets cumbersome. 
>
> So I thought, well I could just have some kind of tiddler like this:
>
> A Relation
> ---
> * [[Tiddler 1]] 
> * [[Tiddler 2]]
> * [[Tiddler 3]]
>
> And then just go back and change that tiddler as the relationships of that 
> group change. This system is nonoptimal though, as:
>
>- What does its title mean?
>- With this setup, every single time a tiddler is opened it has to 
>search ALL RELATION TIDDLERS and see if it's listed in any of them. This 
>doesnt make sense! 
>
> Im envisioning some way to enter a new relation, and upon saving in this 
> one tiddler, it handles populating the related field somehow. 
>
> Anyway, this is all just some random thoughts on this. 
>
> Does anyone have any better ideas/systems for managing this?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[tw5] Importing tiddlers from standalone to node not keeping timestamp

[Pat O'Brien]

Hi there, I've been using a standalone html for years and now I am 
migrating over to node. When I import into node its making all the 
timestamps right now and not keeping those from the standalone file.

I'm using the built in import tool and selecting the tiddlers and then 
clicking import. Is there something I'm doing wrong? 

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[tw5] Re: Wow, What are the possibilities (open external tiddlers in new windows)

[TonyM]

Mat,

Thanks, That is a lot closer to what I am after. But of course it needs the 
static tiddlers?

The existing functionality where I open a Wiki in TiddlerViewer, then 
select a tiddler and open it with the button in the "new window" produces 
the best result, but takes a little more effort to achieve, however if this 
method is used the source wiki must be open in a browser tab, or even 
within a tiddler using TiddlyViewer, yet this also make the popup window 
act as a "remote control", such that clicking on a tiddler link opens it in 
the source wikis story.

Unfortunately opening a TiddlyViewer (tiddler) using "Open New Window" has 
no content.

My Vision (that may not be achievable)

Have a link in tiddlyWikiA that can open in a new browser window  (without 
the additional menus etc..) a single named tiddler found in TiddlyWikiB, 
however this would still have tiddlywikiB behind this window such that we 
can drag and drop to and from both tiddlyWikiA and TiddlyWikiB.

This would allow quick reference pages to be opened and moved around my 
desktop screens, including Tiddlers Plugins and macro sources etc...  On 
the internet one could reference colour charts or code references in these 
windows (that is when TiddlyWikiB is another website).

Thanks for you help

Regards
Tony

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 1:32:02 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> Ok, to style it you just have to insert style='width:100%; height:85vh;' 
> in the object tag.
>
> Also, to get a trimmed down display in that split out window you can use 
> the static Filter Operators tiddler like so (note styling is included for 
> ref)
>
>  'tc-tiddly-viewer' style='width:100%; height:85vh;'>
>
> ...unfortunately, after clicking a link to some filter operator, you can't 
> go back to the Filter Ops tiddler. It may be worth a github proposal to 
> have tags parsed into links in static tiddlers. That way they can at least 
> serve a little more purpose in static tids. If this worked, you could 
> navigate back to the Filter Ops tid. Currently, tags have a mouse pointer 
> that makes them look clickable but nothing happens.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:25:31 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> oops,
>>
>> I did not have TiddlyViewer installed in my test wiki, this now opens 
>> from the button, however still comes with the SideBar etc
>>
>> Certainly an improvement. But now we need the tingle tiddler content view.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:20:19 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Mat, Sleep
>>>
>>> Another day, 
>>>
>>> This is opening the wiki and the tiddler in that wiki with the sidebar 
>>> tabs etc, not like Open in window on the actual tiddler 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Operators
>>>
>>> Also it is not set to width=100% thus I get scrollbars.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:47:49 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:

 I ought to either focus on other stuff or sleep now... but since I'm 
 doing neither I might just as well tiddlefiddle, so...

 Not quite sure this is what you want but maybe a step on the way. First 
 is a button for the page controls:

 title: thebutton
 tags: $:/tags/PageControls
 text:
 <$button message="tm-open-window" param="filteroperators" class=
 "tc-btn-invisible">
 {{$:/core/images/open-window}}
 

 ...and here's the iframe thingy or object-frame or whatever it's 
 called. An iframe probably works as well.
 title:filteroperators
 text:
 >>> object>


 Another idea would be to introduce a new sidebar tab showing the 
 iframe. Unless you have a huge screen, the sidebar is probably too narrow 
 but the iframe could simply overflow horizontally (spilling over the story 
 river) and it could probably be styled so that the z-index makes it come 
 to 
 front when hovered and otherwise is in back with overflow-x:hidden 

 Apropos using iframes as a form of TW federation; I'll dig up my old 
 notes and experiments when I have time for it. It is really interesting 
 but, if I recall, just a bit too limited. Of note: the source url for the 
 iframe can contain a filter. So you can for example have the iframe open 
 all tiddlers tagged @Tony, and sorted by modified.


 <:-)

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Ste Wilson]

I think I have something along those lines if I'm understanding correctly... 
Previously contributed to me by you good people here... 
So stephenteacher.tiddlyspot.com/#Force generates the table and links to the 
entries in vars field. Other equations which use force automatically appear 
beneath. 


It was inspired by http://foxridgegarden.tiddlyspot.com

Bits of code are 





{{!!equation}}



VariableDescriptionUnit
<$list filter="[list[!!vars]sort[title]]" >

<$transclude field="variablelatex"/>
<$link><$transclude field="title"/><$transclude 
field="unitlatex"/>



And

{{!!description}}

Symbol: {{!!variablelatex}}

Unit: {{!!unitlatex}}  {{!!unitname}}

<$list filter="[titlelisted[vars]tag[Equation]] 
-[title] +[limit[1]]">
Used in Equations


<$list filter="[titlelisted[vars]tag[Equation]] 
-[title]">
<$link><$transclude field="title"/>
<$transclude field="equation"/>


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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyshow application

[Mohammad]

A new version of Tiddlyshow application is  available!

http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/

A small HowTo has been added to help new users!


This version has the keybinding for using shortcut keys during slideshow.
Many thanks to Simon (BurningTreeC) for his kind help and the great 
KeeBoord plugin.

Still there are some adjustments remained, I will implement in the next 
version. These are like having shortcuts working only in presentation mode 
and
slide masters for different types. I also will adopt a subset of bootstrap 
CSS framework for visual elements like boxes, badges, ...



Cheers
Mohammad

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:10:20 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Tiddlyshow is a new application from Tiddlywiki. I call it an app or 
> application not an edition not a plugin.
> It is used for presentation and slideshow. It is objective is to be a 
> simple yet powerful presenter based on html5 and wiki
>
> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> [To start the slideshow click on the small button on top-left corner]
>
> This is based on the work of many developer and helpfull comments and 
> answer to question in this forum.
> Part of codes is borrowed from the great work by Mat, Birth, BTC, Tobias, 
> Jed, Jeremy, Thomas, Tony, Eric, David,  ...
> (Sorry if I forgot a name ...)
>
> I appreciate to have a look and let me your opinion, your comments. I will 
> later upload this to Github in the hope
> people find it useful and advanced users and developers from this forum 
> contribute to improve it or fork and make better app.
>
>
> I hope I can add the following features when I had enough time
>  - themes (styles, colors, fonts)
>  - effects
>  - shortcut keys
>  - export to pdf
>
> I try to have tiddlyshow as an app for final users.
>
> Note: In this application some codes or plugin has been directly or 
> indirectly used! I tried to appreciate them. I did not see a licence policy 
> for them.
> By the way let me know if there is a violation!
>
>
> Best regards
> Mohammad
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Unable to save new tiddlywiki (5.1.17) in tiddlyspot

[J]

I am seeing the same problem.

Does NOT work...
Chrome in Linux (Version 67.0.3396.62 (Official Build) (64-bit))
Firefox in Linux (Firefox Quantum 60.0.1)
FIrefox in Windows 10 (Firefox Quantum 60.0.1)

Works...
Chrome in Windows 10 (Version 67.0.3396.79 (Official Build) (64-bit))

Linux Workstation specs that is running the server:
Fedora 28
Apache 2.4.33
PHP 7.2.6
TiddlyWiki 5.1.17
TiddlyHome 0.1.3


Regards,
j




On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 1:17:34 PM UTC-7, Carlos Pita wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> well my problem is just what the subject states. Since I know this could 
> be an issue with firefox I tested the same using:
>
> * Chromium in linux
> * Chrome in android
> * Firefox in linux
> * Chrome in android with tiddlywiki 5.0.0-alpha.10
>
> Every option above failed except for the last, so I think it's a problem 
> with the new version.
>
> The procedure I followed in the first three cases is:
>
> 1. Go to the control panel
> 2. Open the saving tab
> 3. Open the TiddlySpot saver tab
> 4. Set the wiki name (memeplex2)
> 5. Set the wiki password (which I know for sure is the right one)
> 6. Click the save icon (the one with the check mark)
>
> Then a box with the text "Starting to save wiki" pops up and after a few 
> seconds disappears and that's all. When I open memeplex2.tiddlyspot.com 
> the same (5.0.0-alpha.10) version is always there.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks in advance
> --
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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It reminds me of user groups in linux. So, in terms of structure.

You have a "related" field. It is a list field and lists tiddlers that 
represents groups the the tiddler might belong to. 

For instance tiddler "Jaguar" might list as its groups:

Cats, Cars

The list field of "Cats" would, for instance, contain Jaguar, Tiger, Tabby
The list field of "Cars" would, for instance, contain Jaguar, Volvo, Jetta

If you have a new car, say Tesla, you could just add it to the list field 
of Cars. Then all the tiddlers that are part of Cars would know about new 
member "Tesla" without having to update every member.

-- Mark


On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:51:49 PM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> For me, its the latter - multidirectional. 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[Ste Wilson]

Another basic question... 
Do any of those solutions allow setting of page breaks? 

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[tw5] Re: Suggested TiddlyWiki ...

[Ste Wilson]

I think ewe should make a go of 4.. It doesn't sound like a baaad idea... Just 
don't make it too woolly... 

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[tw5] Re: Hashover

[Jed Carty]

I haven't had much reason to work on this. If you have specific needs than 
you can email enquires about quotes and availability to i...@ooktech.com 

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Diego Mesa]

For me, its the latter - multidirectional. 

FYI - In working with ankwiki, I made a simple macro I posted here a while 
ago to create a "linkd list" of tiddlers from a filter, where each one can 
point to the next one.

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:34:08 PM UTC-5, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Would this concept of sideways linking be "to the right" and "to the left" 
> like a chain or would this be multi directional? In other words: Would the 
> goal be to link from one tiddler to the "next" and the "previous" or would 
> it rather be to locate them visually on a map to see their proximity to 
> edges? (From the discussion with Mario I get the impression that it is 
> rather the latter, while I myself have some thougts about the former.)
>
> -te
>
> Am Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2018 20:26:03 UTC+2 schrieb Diego Mesa:
>>
>>
>> I think of a "relation" as an UNNAMED edge between tiddlers, point 
>> SIDEWAYS. A tag is a NAMED edge between tiddlers (sometimes point UP to 
>> parents and DOWN to children, but could also be SIDEWAYS - depends on you)
>>
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[tw5] Simple Way to Share Tiddlers with Node and Git

[Diego Mesa]

Hey everyone,

I recently tested an idea for a very simple way to share tiddlers, based on 
node and git. I have my tiddlywiki in:

~/Downloads/testwiki/tiddlers

I have a local version of a shared git repository where I keep shared .tid 
files in:

~/source/mysharedtiddlers/

>From the ~/Downloads/testwiki/tiddlers directory, I can then make a *symbolic 
link* like:

ln - s ~/source/sharedTiddlers/ sharedTiddlers

In my tiddlywiki, I also have a tiddler called:

$:/config/FileSystemPaths

which contains the following line:

[tag[shared]addprefix[sharedTiddlers/]]

With this setup:

   - any tiddler I create with the shared tag gets automatically placed in 
   that symbolic folder, and therefore in the other directory that I manage 
   with git. 
   - I can then pull to recieve any new tiddlers my friend wants to share
   - I can then commit to share mine.
   - Any changes we make to the same tiddlers are handled in the usual way 
   through git (merging, etc.)


A problem with this setup, however, is that I have no clear way to *stop* 
sharing 
a tiddler:

   - If I remove the tag, that does not automatically move it out of the 
   shared folder - I have to do this manually
   - This is more annoying than anyhing, but not a deal breaker - does 
  anyone know how to do this using node TW?
   - Even if I manually move it out, and commit that to my friend, and he 
   accepts that commit, the tiddler will still exist our shared git history
  - This is a small problem, typically to using version control to 
  share files
   
What do you guys think?

Diego

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Re: [tw5] Re: Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

[David Gifford]

No, thank YOU - it works like a charm and looks a lot nicer than the pukage
I came up with.

David Gifford
Mexico team leader, Mexico City

*Resonate Global Mission*
*Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:39 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yeah,  I forgot to remove that before posting.
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> I got ride of the <> before the
>> end and it seems to work okay. Is that what it was? Or do I need to leave
>> that part there?
>>
>> David Gifford
>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>
>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:03 PM, David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> Thanks! Is there a reason " $:/temp/iframeslider-suffering-1539240879 "
>>> appears below the slider?
>>>
>>> David Gifford
>>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>>
>>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a stab:

 \define iframeslider(id:"0" textshow:"You forgot //Show// Text" link:"
 http://tiddlywiki.com/;)
 <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<>
 text="show">
 <$button
  class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
 setTo="show">Open $textshow$<$reveal type="match"
 state=<> text="show">
 <$button
 class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
 setTo="hide">Hide $textshow$
 
 <>
 \end

 I jettisoned passing show/hide since those are just standard names.
 Also, all you need for each one is an id to distinguish the state variable
 from all the others on the page.

 So you invoke like:

 <>>> https://dynalist.io/d/boHH1TBdlk3nHGNkjrXTTZQS#z=tdCT8e2hgN
 CBhJWikb4nmiNL" >>

 where "suffering" is the unique id. You can use the same id in another
 tiddler, and it won't collide.

 I also changed the height/width setting so it's not in a postage-stamp
 box, but you can easily change that back.

 HTH
 -- Mark
 On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:09:01 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Last night after reading this thread (https://groups.google.com/for
> um/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I managed to create an ugly,
> clunky chunk of code for a slider button that opens and closes an iframe:
>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
> <$button
>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2"
> setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering//
> (Sproul)''<$reveal type="match"
> state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
> <$button
> class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2"
> setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering//
> (Sproul)''
>
> But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like
>
> < "">>
>
>
> ...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same
> tiddler without it being quite as big a mess.
>
> Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?
>
> If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on
> books in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go 
> into
> a TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders 
> to
> iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't have
> to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes
> for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link 
> and
> come back to the TW when I am done there.
>
> While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be
> used to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I 
> was
> thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the
> toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can
> be done with not too much trouble.
>
> Dave
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Re: [tw5] KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[Jan]

Hi Simon,
again you made a great thing... and again I got a special wish:
Is there a way to turn this into a "somtimes global shortcuts"-plugin 
which only works if for example a special word is revealed.
It would be usefull for me to have single-key-shortcuts for particular 
situations... like games and slideshows.


Ahoi,
Jan



Am 05.06.2018 um 13:29 schrieb BurningTreeC:

Hi folks,

for those who already want to use global keyboard shortcuts within 
their wikies, I've made a plugin and a little plugin-info-page:


http://keeboord.tiddlyspot.com/

have fun with it,
BTC
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Re: [tw5] Re: Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Yeah,  I forgot to remove that before posting.

Thanks!
-- Mark



On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I got ride of the <> before the 
> end and it seems to work okay. Is that what it was? Or do I need to leave 
> that part there?
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:03 PM, David Gifford  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Thanks! Is there a reason " $:/temp/iframeslider-suffering-1539240879 " 
>> appears below the slider?
>>
>> David Gifford
>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>
>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a stab:
>>>
>>> \define iframeslider(id:"0" textshow:"You forgot //Show// Text" link:"
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/;)
>>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> 
>>> text="show">
>>> <$button
>>>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
>>> setTo="show">Open $textshow$<$reveal type="match"
>>> state=<> text="show">
>>> <$button
>>> class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
>>> setTo="hide">Hide $textshow$
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> I jettisoned passing show/hide since those are just standard names. 
>>> Also, all you need for each one is an id to distinguish the state variable 
>>> from all the others on the page. 
>>>
>>> So you invoke like:
>>>
>>> <>> https://dynalist.io/d/boHH1TBdlk3nHGNkjrXTTZQS#z=tdCT8e2hgNCBhJWikb4nmiNL; 
>>> >>
>>>  
>>> where "suffering" is the unique id. You can use the same id in another 
>>> tiddler, and it won't collide.
>>>
>>> I also changed the height/width setting so it's not in a postage-stamp 
>>> box, but you can easily change that back.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> -- Mark
>>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:09:01 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Last night after reading this thread (
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I 
 managed to create an ugly, clunky chunk of code for a slider button that 
 opens and closes an iframe:

 <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
 <$button
  class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
 setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
 (Sproul)''<$reveal type="match" 
 state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
 <$button 
 class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
 setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
 (Sproul)''>>> class='tc-tiddly-viewer'>

 But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like

 <>>> "">>


 ...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same tiddler 
 without it being quite as big a mess.

 Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?

 If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on 
 books in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go 
 into 
 a TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders 
 to 
 iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't have 
 to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes 
 for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link 
 and 
 come back to the TW when I am done there.

 While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be 
 used to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I 
 was 
 thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the 
 toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.

 Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can be 
 done with not too much trouble.

 Dave

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Thomas Elmiger]

Would this concept of sideways linking be "to the right" and "to the left" 
like a chain or would this be multi directional? In other words: Would the 
goal be to link from one tiddler to the "next" and the "previous" or would 
it rather be to locate them visually on a map to see their proximity to 
edges? (From the discussion with Mario I get the impression that it is 
rather the latter, while I myself have some thougts about the former.)

-te

Am Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2018 20:26:03 UTC+2 schrieb Diego Mesa:
>
>
> I think of a "relation" as an UNNAMED edge between tiddlers, point 
> SIDEWAYS. A tag is a NAMED edge between tiddlers (sometimes point UP to 
> parents and DOWN to children, but could also be SIDEWAYS - depends on you)
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob - options for remembering users?

[Stobot]

That would be ideal Jed - I wasn't able to find anything for cookies other 
than something Eric Shulman for TWC. I think the concept would add a lot 
for multi-user capability. I'm not concerned about security, just 
convenience.

   1. Most tiddlers obviously store at the wiki level
   2. "$:/temp/" tiddlers don't store at all
   3. ??? to store user-level settings - cookies seem ideal for this
   
If you find/remember where the cookie plugin is (or think of another 
option), please pass along. Thank you!

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Re: [tw5] Re: Hashover

[Jan]

Hi Jed,
good to hear, I really would like to use it.
Unfortunately it seems to turn into a real killer if the server is not 
responding, perhaps you could work in something to prevent this...


Yours Jan



Am 07.06.2018 um 04:33 schrieb Jed Carty:
We changed our host and I believe that switching to using https broke 
the setup. I am not sure what needs to be changed to make it work 
again and I am in the US and won't be able to do much with it until I 
get home.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

[David Gifford]

I got ride of the <> before the
end and it seems to work okay. Is that what it was? Or do I need to leave
that part there?

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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:03 PM, David Gifford  wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks! Is there a reason " $:/temp/iframeslider-suffering-1539240879 "
> appears below the slider?
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
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> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a stab:
>>
>> \define iframeslider(id:"0" textshow:"You forgot //Show// Text" link:"
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/;)
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<>
>> text="show">
>> <$button
>>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
>> setTo="show">Open $textshow$<$reveal type="match"
>> state=<> text="show">
>> <$button
>> class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
>> setTo="hide">Hide $textshow$
>> 
>> <>
>> \end
>>
>> I jettisoned passing show/hide since those are just standard names. Also,
>> all you need for each one is an id to distinguish the state variable from
>> all the others on the page.
>>
>> So you invoke like:
>>
>> <> https://dynalist.io/d/boHH1TBdlk3nHGNkjrXTTZQS#z=tdCT8e2hgNCBhJWikb4nmiNL;
>> >>
>>
>> where "suffering" is the unique id. You can use the same id in another
>> tiddler, and it won't collide.
>>
>> I also changed the height/width setting so it's not in a postage-stamp
>> box, but you can easily change that back.
>>
>> HTH
>> -- Mark
>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:09:01 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Last night after reading this thread (https://groups.google.com/for
>>> um/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I managed to create an ugly, clunky
>>> chunk of code for a slider button that opens and closes an iframe:
>>>
>>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>>> <$button
>>>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2"
>>> setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering//
>>> (Sproul)''<$reveal type="match"
>>> state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>>> <$button
>>> class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2"
>>> setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering//
>>> (Sproul)''
>>>
>>> But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like
>>>
>>> <>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same tiddler
>>> without it being quite as big a mess.
>>>
>>> Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?
>>>
>>> If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on
>>> books in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go into
>>> a TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders to
>>> iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't have
>>> to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes
>>> for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link and
>>> come back to the TW when I am done there.
>>>
>>> While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be
>>> used to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I was
>>> thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the
>>> toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can be
>>> done with not too much trouble.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

[David Gifford]

Hi Mark,

Thanks! Is there a reason " $:/temp/iframeslider-suffering-1539240879 "
appears below the slider?

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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's a stab:
>
> \define iframeslider(id:"0" textshow:"You forgot //Show// Text" link:"
> http://tiddlywiki.com/;)
> <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text
> ="show">
> <$button
>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
> setTo="show">Open $textshow$<$reveal type="match"
> state=<> text="show">
> <$button
> class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
> setTo="hide">Hide $textshow$
> 
> <>
> \end
>
> I jettisoned passing show/hide since those are just standard names. Also,
> all you need for each one is an id to distinguish the state variable from
> all the others on the page.
>
> So you invoke like:
>
> < https://dynalist.io/d/boHH1TBdlk3nHGNkjrXTTZQS#z=tdCT8e2hgNCBhJWikb4nmiNL;
> >>
>
> where "suffering" is the unique id. You can use the same id in another
> tiddler, and it won't collide.
>
> I also changed the height/width setting so it's not in a postage-stamp
> box, but you can easily change that back.
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:09:01 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Last night after reading this thread (https://groups.google.com/for
>> um/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I managed to create an ugly, clunky
>> chunk of code for a slider button that opens and closes an iframe:
>>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>> <$button
>>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2"
>> setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering//
>> (Sproul)''<$reveal type="match"
>> state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
>> <$button
>> class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2"
>> setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering//
>> (Sproul)''> class='tc-tiddly-viewer'>
>>
>> But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like
>>
>> <
>> >
>>
>>
>> ...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same tiddler
>> without it being quite as big a mess.
>>
>> Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?
>>
>> If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on
>> books in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go into
>> a TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders to
>> iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't have
>> to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes
>> for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link and
>> come back to the TW when I am done there.
>>
>> While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be
>> used to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I was
>> thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the
>> toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can be
>> done with not too much trouble.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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[tw5] Re: Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Here's a stab:

\define iframeslider(id:"0" textshow:"You forgot //Show// Text" link:
"http://tiddlywiki.com/;)
<$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text=
"show">
<$button
 class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
setTo="show">Open $textshow$<$reveal type="match"
state=<> text="show">
<$button
class="tc-btn-invisible" set=<>
setTo="hide">Hide $textshow$

<>
\end

I jettisoned passing show/hide since those are just standard names. Also, 
all you need for each one is an id to distinguish the state variable from 
all the others on the page. 

So you invoke like:

>
 
where "suffering" is the unique id. You can use the same id in another 
tiddler, and it won't collide.

I also changed the height/width setting so it's not in a postage-stamp box, 
but you can easily change that back.

HTH
-- Mark
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:09:01 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Last night after reading this thread (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I managed 
> to create an ugly, clunky chunk of code for a slider button that opens and 
> closes an iframe:
>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
> <$button
>  class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
> setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
> (Sproul)''<$reveal type="match" 
> state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
> <$button 
> class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
> setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
> (Sproul)'' class='tc-tiddly-viewer'>
>
> But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like
>
> <>
>
>
> ...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same tiddler 
> without it being quite as big a mess.
>
> Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?
>
> If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on 
> books in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go into 
> a TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders to 
> iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't have 
> to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes 
> for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link and 
> come back to the TW when I am done there.
>
> While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be used 
> to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I was 
> thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the 
> toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can be 
> done with not too much trouble.
>
> Dave
>

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[PMario]

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 8:11:03 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Wow mario those sound like really interesting ideas. For both I suspect 
> you could using something like d3 force action graph
>

d3 has way to much overhead. There are more light wight frameworks 
available. 

I like TiddlyMap quite a bit. ... But I personally use a very different 
workflow and it is "too heavy" for me. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[PMario]

My new idea should be much more predictable (at the beginning) and easier 
to use for humans. So it should be possible to create a predictable 
structure, as described in the OP. 

In the end, it still should have the potential to create and show "hidden 
patterns". 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[PMario]

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 8:26:03 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
... 

> I think of a "relation" as an UNNAMED edge between tiddlers, point 
> SIDEWAYS. A tag is a NAMED edge between tiddlers (sometimes point UP to 
> parents and DOWN to children, but could also be SIDEWAYS - depends on you)
>

Yea, that's similar to what I was thinking about. ... My concepts should 
create a structure, that "grows over time". Once it is "mature" enough, you 
can ask some questions. 

Using the "weight" metapher - eg: Show me all tiddlers with a similar 
weight as "this tiddler" +-100 ... 

If a TW contains enough tiddlers .. and .. tiddler weights are (somehow) 
permutated over time ... The resulting lists may be interesting, and may 
reveal "hidden patterns" ... but it won't be predictable. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Active Button - Inactive Button

[Mohammad]

Mark, based on your solution, I could generate a disabled fake button. 
Thank you

\define fakebtn()
This button is fake
\end


<$list filter="[tag[someTag]limit[1]]" emptyMessage=<> >
<$button>This button is real







On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 6:29:52 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The <$button> widget appears to take the style attribute. So you can make 
> your "fake" button in the example like:
>
> <$button style='opacity: 0.6;cursor:not-allowed'>No 
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The real application here I want is in Navigation
>> I have put a Next / Previous button to navigate among a list of tiddlers 
>> tagged with learning. 
>> I click the Next/Previous and navigate through tiddlers like what in 
>> WizardWizard (http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/WizardWizard/)
>> When I reach the last tiddler, I want to have the Next button visible but 
>> grayed out (inactive).
>>
>> In your solution, button is visible and active but do nothing, user does 
>> not understand if this is the last tiddler or some error is happened 
>>
>>
>> So in brief, I want to have the button visible but when the condition 
>> does not meet, the button grayed out.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:16:58 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> It depends what you really wanted to do. If you want the button to 
>>> appear if the *current *tiddler is tagged "learning", then
>>> in the example, add filter operator "all[current]". e.g. 
>>> "[all[current]tag[learning]]" 
>>>
>>> If you wanted the button to appear if there is a tiddler tagged 
>>> "learning" *anywhere *in your set, then just limit the filter with the 
>>> *limit 
>>> *filter operator. You can even use the "emptyMessage" attribute to 
>>> generate the non-functioning button, so you only need one <$list>. e.g.
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[tag[learning]limit[1]]" emptyMessage="<$button>This 
>>> button is fake"
>>> >
>>> <$button>This button is real
>>> 
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:08:18 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi Tony,
  If I am right when the Button is put inside list widget it should be 
 created as many times as list iterate

 <$list filter="[tag[learning]]">
 <$button>Hi there
 
 

 In the other case nothing is shown

 I appreciate if clarify this.

 /Mohammad



 On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:05:58 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Yes it is very possible, and there is more.
>
> You can clone and edit existing buttons if you want, then edit the 
> transclusions for your own hints and captions, then duplicate the button 
> and have one display in one condition, and the other in another.
>
> <$list filter"[tag[learning]]">
> Button tag learning
> 
> *<$list filter"[!tag[learning]]">*
> Not active Button (No actions, gray)
> 
>
> Under this method you choose if this is displayed on tiddlers, or 
> behind the more of the tiddler toolbar.
>
> You could wrap both in another list filter and actually choose that no 
> button is shown in certain conditions.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:26:28 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to have a button active for some conditions and 
>> inactive for some other conditions?
>> I don't mean to hide the button. The inactive button can be grayed 
>> out and does not react on mouse click!
>>
>> For example, consider a list as below
>>
>> 
>> <$list filter"[tag[learning]]">
>> <>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> I wrap this code into a *button widget*, I want to have the button 
>> grayed out when there is no tiddler tagged with learning!
>>
>>
>> If you can give a simple example, I appreciate to have that.
>>
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Import an article from wikipedia

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Diego,

When I copy text from websites like Wikipedia I copy HTML. 
For this I inspect the beginning of the part I want to copy using the browser’s 
developer tools on the right mouse button. 
I try to locate the tag that contains the desired content, (right) click it and 
choose „copy outer HTML“ that should copy everything including the surrounding 
tag. 
I post that into a tiddler and already have basic formatting. 

Sometimes I even imitate some CSS of the source to re-implement e.g. boxes with 
background colour. 

As my HTML and CSS understanding is sufficient for most parts of the web I find 
this process very efficient – surely it isn’t for everyone. 

Cheers,
Thomas 

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[tw5] Re: Active Button - Inactive Button

[Mohammad]

Thank you Mark!
This way I think I can manage to have inactive button!

Cheers
Mohammad

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 6:29:52 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The <$button> widget appears to take the style attribute. So you can make 
> your "fake" button in the example like:
>
> <$button style='opacity: 0.6;cursor:not-allowed'>No 
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The real application here I want is in Navigation
>> I have put a Next / Previous button to navigate among a list of tiddlers 
>> tagged with learning. 
>> I click the Next/Previous and navigate through tiddlers like what in 
>> WizardWizard (http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/WizardWizard/)
>> When I reach the last tiddler, I want to have the Next button visible but 
>> grayed out (inactive).
>>
>> In your solution, button is visible and active but do nothing, user does 
>> not understand if this is the last tiddler or some error is happened 
>>
>>
>> So in brief, I want to have the button visible but when the condition 
>> does not meet, the button grayed out.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:16:58 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> It depends what you really wanted to do. If you want the button to 
>>> appear if the *current *tiddler is tagged "learning", then
>>> in the example, add filter operator "all[current]". e.g. 
>>> "[all[current]tag[learning]]" 
>>>
>>> If you wanted the button to appear if there is a tiddler tagged 
>>> "learning" *anywhere *in your set, then just limit the filter with the 
>>> *limit 
>>> *filter operator. You can even use the "emptyMessage" attribute to 
>>> generate the non-functioning button, so you only need one <$list>. e.g.
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[tag[learning]limit[1]]" emptyMessage="<$button>This 
>>> button is fake"
>>> >
>>> <$button>This button is real
>>> 
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:08:18 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi Tony,
  If I am right when the Button is put inside list widget it should be 
 created as many times as list iterate

 <$list filter="[tag[learning]]">
 <$button>Hi there
 
 

 In the other case nothing is shown

 I appreciate if clarify this.

 /Mohammad



 On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:05:58 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Yes it is very possible, and there is more.
>
> You can clone and edit existing buttons if you want, then edit the 
> transclusions for your own hints and captions, then duplicate the button 
> and have one display in one condition, and the other in another.
>
> <$list filter"[tag[learning]]">
> Button tag learning
> 
> *<$list filter"[!tag[learning]]">*
> Not active Button (No actions, gray)
> 
>
> Under this method you choose if this is displayed on tiddlers, or 
> behind the more of the tiddler toolbar.
>
> You could wrap both in another list filter and actually choose that no 
> button is shown in certain conditions.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:26:28 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to have a button active for some conditions and 
>> inactive for some other conditions?
>> I don't mean to hide the button. The inactive button can be grayed 
>> out and does not react on mouse click!
>>
>> For example, consider a list as below
>>
>> 
>> <$list filter"[tag[learning]]">
>> <>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> I wrap this code into a *button widget*, I want to have the button 
>> grayed out when there is no tiddler tagged with learning!
>>
>>
>> If you can give a simple example, I appreciate to have that.
>>
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Diego Mesa]

Hey Thomas,

I think I know what you mean, but if topic 1, 2, and 3 are "related" by the 
particular way they prove something (or in anyway that is not easy to 
capture by a few words), what would I tag them with to capture that 
relation? 

I think of a "relation" as an UNNAMED edge between tiddlers, point 
SIDEWAYS. A tag is a NAMED edge between tiddlers (sometimes point UP to 
parents and DOWN to children, but could also be SIDEWAYS - depends on you)


On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:11:56 PM UTC-5, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Diego, 
>
> For me it sounds like you want tags without using tags. Maybe I weren’t 
> able to grasp your concept or it IS very similar to tags. So for me it 
> would help if you could explain why you don’t want to use tags. 
>
> I think there have been attempts to build tag-like relations based on 
> other fields before, maybe you (or someone else) will be able to find a 
> link. 
>
> All the best, 
> Thomas 

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Diego,

For me it sounds like you want tags without using tags. Maybe I weren’t able to 
grasp your concept or it IS very similar to tags. So for me it would help if 
you could explain why you don’t want to use tags. 

I think there have been attempts to build tag-like relations based on other 
fields before, maybe you (or someone else) will be able to find a link. 

All the best,
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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Diego Mesa]

Wow mario those sound like really interesting ideas. For both I suspect you 
could using something like d3 force action graph

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:46:57 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Diego, 
>
> I'm not sure if this is what you are talking about, but I was thinking 
> about different losely coupled "grouping" systems, for some time already. 
>
> 1) The first one is built on attracton / repulsion, that is built up over 
> time. 
>
> But it would need a graphical component, that would let us graphically 
> adjust the position of different tiddlers, which also effect "related" 
> tiddlers. So a "TiddlyMap" type of interface, which is way too much 
> overhead. 
>
>
> 2) A second system I was thinking of, is based on weight. 
>
> Where tags get a "fixed" weight and related tiddlers get a modifier. ... 
>
> But all those systems are kind of complicated to define, or need graphical 
> tools, for setup. And the query language to request qrouping is 
> complicated. :(
>
>
> While I was typing the reply, I had a new idea. ... I'll need to think 
> about it :)
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Diego Mesa]

Hey David,

I do use something like that, but I seperate links, tags, and what is 
"related". I currently used a related to field to handle this, but that has 
the problem that if I want to add another tiddler to that relatedness, I 
have to edit ALL of the tiddlers it is now related to.

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:01:59 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Why not use a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate, with this:
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]backlinks[]sort[title]]"><$link><$view 
> field="title"/> 
>
> Then anything that links or tags to the present tiddler will show up in 
> the tiddler as a related tiddler. There wouldn't be a separate tiddler 'A 
> relation', but between tagging and backlinking you would be able to see all 
> related tiddlers. And it would change as you change the links.
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:34:01 AM UTC-5, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've been thinking a lot recently about how to handle tiddler 
>> "relations". That is, I have some tiddlers that are *related* to others, 
>> but not necessarily through (my version) of a tag relationship. I first 
>> just started typing out a related section in each tiddler like this: 
>>
>> Tiddler 1
>> -
>> ...
>> my content
>> ...
>>
>> !! Related
>>
>> * [[Tiddler 2]]
>> * [[Tiddler 3]]
>>
>>
>> I quickly got tired of copy/pasting this into tiddler 2 and 3, so I 
>> turned into a field, where each tiddler has a "related" field with the 
>> names of tiddlers its related to. If this field is present, its 
>> automatically displayed at the end as a list. 
>>
>> I am still *building* and *learning* and so these relationships change. 
>> Say I want to say that they are all now related to a Tiddler 4. I have to 
>> now go back and make changes to 3 tiddlers. As the process continues this 
>> gets cumbersome. 
>>
>> So I thought, well I could just have some kind of tiddler like this:
>>
>> A Relation
>> ---
>> * [[Tiddler 1]] 
>> * [[Tiddler 2]]
>> * [[Tiddler 3]]
>>
>> And then just go back and change that tiddler as the relationships of 
>> that group change. This system is nonoptimal though, as:
>>
>>- What does its title mean?
>>- With this setup, every single time a tiddler is opened it has to 
>>search ALL RELATION TIDDLERS and see if it's listed in any of them. This 
>>doesnt make sense! 
>>
>> Im envisioning some way to enter a new relation, and upon saving in this 
>> one tiddler, it handles populating the related field somehow. 
>>
>> Anyway, this is all just some random thoughts on this. 
>>
>> Does anyone have any better ideas/systems for managing this?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

... I forgot: the button tiddler needs the tag $:/tags/ViewToolbar

I've added a button that launches the print dialogue to the template 
tiddler:

\define containerClasses()
tc-page-container tc-page-view-$(themeTitle)$ tc-language-$(languageTitle)$
\end

\define tiddlerPrintTemplate()

<$importvariables filter="[[$:/core/ui/PageMacros]] 
[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/Macro]!has[draft.of]]">

<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-icons" value={{$:/config/Toolbar/Icons}}>

<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-text" value={{$:/config/Toolbar/Text}}>

<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-class" 
value={{$:/config/Toolbar/ButtonClass}}>

<$set name="themeTitle" value={{$:/view}}>

<$set name="currentTiddler" value={{$:/language}}>

<$set name="languageTitle" value={{!!name}}>

<$set name="currentTiddler" value="">

>>

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible tc-print-tiddler-print-button" 
message="tm-print">{{$:/core/images/print-button}}

{{$(tiddlerTitle)$}}



















\end

<$vars tiddlerTitle={{!!tiddler-title}}>
<>



... and the styles for the button, put them in a tiddler tagged 
$:/tags/Stylesheet 

button.tc-print-tiddler-print-button {
font-size: 2em;
position: fixed;
right: 20px;
top: 20px;
}

@media print {
button.tc-print-tiddler-print-button {
display: none;
}
}


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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

Hi @JWHoneycutt,

I use a button, say $:/buttons/print-tiddler:

\whitespace trim
<$button tooltip="print tiddler" aria-label="print tiddler" 
class=<>>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/templates/print/tiddler" 
$field="tiddler-title" $value=<>/>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-open-window" 
$param="$:/templates/print/tiddler"/>
<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
{{$:/core/images/print-button}}

<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">

<$text text=" "/>
<$text text="print tiddler"/>




... and a template tiddler $:/templates/print/tiddler where the 
tiddler-to-print gets rendered:

\define containerClasses()
tc-page-container tc-page-view-$(themeTitle)$ tc-language-$(languageTitle)$
\end

\define tiddlerPrintTemplate()

<$importvariables filter="[[$:/core/ui/PageMacros]] 
[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/Macro]!has[draft.of]]">

<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-icons" value={{$:/config/Toolbar/Icons}}>

<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-text" value={{$:/config/Toolbar/Text}}>

<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-class" 
value={{$:/config/Toolbar/ButtonClass}}>

<$set name="themeTitle" value={{$:/view}}>

<$set name="currentTiddler" value={{$:/language}}>

<$set name="languageTitle" value={{!!name}}>

<$set name="currentTiddler" value="">

>>

{{$(tiddlerTitle)$}}



















\end

<$vars tiddlerTitle={{!!tiddler-title}}>
<>


... for this template I just copied lines from the $:/core/ui/PageTemplate 
tiddler. I wanted to have all macros and variables working when I print and 
that's what worked best for me.

With this each tiddler has its print button, which opens it in a new 
window. Ctrl-P then opens the print dialogue for printing

all the best,
BTC

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[David Gifford]

Why not use a tiddler tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate, with this:

<$list filter="[all[current]backlinks[]sort[title]]"><$link><$view 
field="title"/> 

Then anything that links or tags to the present tiddler will show up in the 
tiddler as a related tiddler. There wouldn't be a separate tiddler 'A 
relation', but between tagging and backlinking you would be able to see all 
related tiddlers. And it would change as you change the links.

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:34:01 AM UTC-5, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've been thinking a lot recently about how to handle tiddler "relations". 
> That is, I have some tiddlers that are *related* to others, but not 
> necessarily through (my version) of a tag relationship. I first just 
> started typing out a related section in each tiddler like this: 
>
> Tiddler 1
> -
> ...
> my content
> ...
>
> !! Related
>
> * [[Tiddler 2]]
> * [[Tiddler 3]]
>
>
> I quickly got tired of copy/pasting this into tiddler 2 and 3, so I turned 
> into a field, where each tiddler has a "related" field with the names of 
> tiddlers its related to. If this field is present, its automatically 
> displayed at the end as a list. 
>
> I am still *building* and *learning* and so these relationships change. 
> Say I want to say that they are all now related to a Tiddler 4. I have to 
> now go back and make changes to 3 tiddlers. As the process continues this 
> gets cumbersome. 
>
> So I thought, well I could just have some kind of tiddler like this:
>
> A Relation
> ---
> * [[Tiddler 1]] 
> * [[Tiddler 2]]
> * [[Tiddler 3]]
>
> And then just go back and change that tiddler as the relationships of that 
> group change. This system is nonoptimal though, as:
>
>- What does its title mean?
>- With this setup, every single time a tiddler is opened it has to 
>search ALL RELATION TIDDLERS and see if it's listed in any of them. This 
>doesnt make sense! 
>
> Im envisioning some way to enter a new relation, and upon saving in this 
> one tiddler, it handles populating the related field somehow. 
>
> Anyway, this is all just some random thoughts on this. 
>
> Does anyone have any better ideas/systems for managing this?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[tw5] Re: Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[PMario]

Hi Diego, 

I'm not sure if this is waht you are talking about, but I was thinking 
about different losely coupled "grouping" systems, for some time already. 

1) The first one is built on attracton / repulsion, that is built up over 
time. 

But it would need a graphical component, that would let us graphically 
adjust the position of different tiddlers, which also effect "related" 
tiddlers. So a "TiddlyMap" type of interface, which is way too much 
overhead. 


2) A second system I was thinking of, is based on weight. 

Where tags get a "fixed" weight and related tiddlers get a modifier. ... 

But all those systems are kind of complicated to define, or need graphical 
tools, for setup. And the query language to request qrouping is 
complicated. :(


While I was typing the reply, I had a new idea. ... I'll need to think 
about it :)

have fun!
mario


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[tw5] Re: Wow, What are the possibilities (open external tiddlers in new windows)

[Mat]

Ok, to style it you just have to insert style='width:100%; height:85vh;' in 
the object tag.

Also, to get a trimmed down display in that split out window you can use 
the static Filter Operators tiddler like so (note styling is included for 
ref)



...unfortunately, after clicking a link to some filter operator, you can't 
go back to the Filter Ops tiddler. It may be worth a github proposal to 
have tags parsed into links in static tiddlers. That way they can at least 
serve a little more purpose in static tids. If this worked, you could 
navigate back to the Filter Ops tid. Currently, tags have a mouse pointer 
that makes them look clickable but nothing happens.

<:-)


On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:25:31 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> oops,
>
> I did not have TiddlyViewer installed in my test wiki, this now opens from 
> the button, however still comes with the SideBar etc
>
> Certainly an improvement. But now we need the tingle tiddler content view.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:20:19 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mat, Sleep
>>
>> Another day, 
>>
>> This is opening the wiki and the tiddler in that wiki with the sidebar 
>> tabs etc, not like Open in window on the actual tiddler 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Operators
>>
>> Also it is not set to width=100% thus I get scrollbars.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:47:49 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>>>
>>> I ought to either focus on other stuff or sleep now... but since I'm 
>>> doing neither I might just as well tiddlefiddle, so...
>>>
>>> Not quite sure this is what you want but maybe a step on the way. First 
>>> is a button for the page controls:
>>>
>>> title: thebutton
>>> tags: $:/tags/PageControls
>>> text:
>>> <$button message="tm-open-window" param="filteroperators" class=
>>> "tc-btn-invisible">
>>> {{$:/core/images/open-window}}
>>> 
>>>
>>> ...and here's the iframe thingy or object-frame or whatever it's called. 
>>> An iframe probably works as well.
>>> title:filteroperators
>>> text:
>>> >> object>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another idea would be to introduce a new sidebar tab showing the iframe. 
>>> Unless you have a huge screen, the sidebar is probably too narrow but the 
>>> iframe could simply overflow horizontally (spilling over the story river) 
>>> and it could probably be styled so that the z-index makes it come to front 
>>> when hovered and otherwise is in back with overflow-x:hidden 
>>>
>>> Apropos using iframes as a form of TW federation; I'll dig up my old 
>>> notes and experiments when I have time for it. It is really interesting 
>>> but, if I recall, just a bit too limited. Of note: the source url for the 
>>> iframe can contain a filter. So you can for example have the iframe open 
>>> all tiddlers tagged @Tony, and sorted by modified.
>>>
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Bob - options for remembering users?

[Jed Carty]

I have some other things that store information in cookies, that part isn't 
hard to do. If you want to just have the name set when the wiki is loaded 
in a browser than that is doable without too much work as long as it 
doesn't have any authentication. If the IP address or url of the server 
changes than you would have to re-enter the name but that is true of the 
password fields also.

I think someone made a plugin for storing information in cookies but I 
never really looked into it.

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[tw5] Handling Changing Relationships Between Tiddlers

[Diego Mesa]

Hello all,

I've been thinking a lot recently about how to handle tiddler "relations". 
That is, I have some tiddlers that are *related* to others, but not 
necessarily through (my version) of a tag relationship. I first just 
started typing out a related section in each tiddler like this: 

Tiddler 1
-
...
my content
...

!! Related

* [[Tiddler 2]]
* [[Tiddler 3]]


I quickly got tired of copy/pasting this into tiddler 2 and 3, so I turned 
into a field, where each tiddler has a "related" field with the names of 
tiddlers its related to. If this field is present, its automatically 
displayed at the end as a list. 

I am still *building* and *learning* and so these relationships change. Say 
I want to say that they are all now related to a Tiddler 4. I have to now 
go back and make changes to 3 tiddlers. As the process continues this gets 
cumbersome. 

So I thought, well I could just have some kind of tiddler like this:

A Relation
---
* [[Tiddler 1]] 
* [[Tiddler 2]]
* [[Tiddler 3]]

And then just go back and change that tiddler as the relationships of that 
group change. This system is nonoptimal though, as:

   - What does its title mean?
   - With this setup, every single time a tiddler is opened it has to 
   search ALL RELATION TIDDLERS and see if it's listed in any of them. This 
   doesnt make sense! 

Im envisioning some way to enter a new relation, and upon saving in this 
one tiddler, it handles populating the related field somehow. 

Anyway, this is all just some random thoughts on this. 

Does anyone have any better ideas/systems for managing this?

Thanks!

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Re: [tw5] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

[Diego Mesa]

Thanks for your replies Mario.

Yes! I type *a lot* of aliases! Especially for people, methods, etc. I 
think making it configurable is a great idea.

I also agree uni-link could solve the problems posed in that thread, with 
some careful thinking and updates to the core. In my mind, this should be a 
major area of effort in TW! 

As to your point in stem analyses, this is a good point, and makes the 
implementation difficult. 

I think having tags display as their caption is a great idea! 


On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 4:13:49 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 11:00:43 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Again, thank you for this wonderful plugin. Just a few thoughts:
>>
>
> Thx,
>
>>
>>- I was wondering if its possible, and if so what your thoughts are, 
>>on having alias linking happen automagically without the additional |? 
>>syntax. ...
>>
>> OK. So my guess is, that >60% of your links are alias links now and they 
> start to annoy you, because of the extra 2 chars ;) ... I see. 
>
>>
>>- So when I type [[myalias]] the parser would first search for 
>>tiddlers with that name, and if none are found, then search for aliases 
>>with that name, and if none are found put the italicized link in place 
>> for 
>>the nonexistent tiddler. 
>>
>> I'll have to have a look. May be we can make it configurable. ... 
>
> There is a discussion going on (which you started 
> ) about 
> having IDs vs. tiddler title. I didn't watch the thread closely, but I saw 
> it ;)
>
> I think, it could be solved with uni-link ... but, I'm not sure if we 
> could do it without some core improvements. .. I didn't have a close look 
> yet. 
>  
>
>>
>>- I frequently find myself making two aliases a name and its plural 
>>(example below). Could this be automated as an option? 
>>   - tiddler title: An Important Method
>>   - aliases: AIM AIMs
>>
>> Hmm, This is "word stemming" analyses, which depends on used languages: 
> see: https://github.com/NaturalNode/natural#stemmers  ... It's a very 
> interesting topic. But I would want to have a German version too ;) 
>
>>
>>- Could we use aliases in tags? Sometimes I have long tiddlers like A 
>>Very Long Important Method with an alias like AVLM. It would be 
>> convenient 
>>to tag with AVLM as well (I know this was discussed previously, but Im 
>> not 
>>sure where anymore).
>>
>> That's why "alias-handling" isn't part of the core ... We will have to 
> implement it at a very low level, so it basically works everywhere! 
>
> IMO Tags are only 1 element here. ... 
>
> I think, the main problem is speed. For the alias handling I did implement 
> an "alias-cache" to speed up the de-/referencing process. .. 
> But tagging itself is used a lot, to create the UI. So slowing down the 
> tag-lookup mechanism may have a major performance impact. 
>
> As an alternative: 
>
> I did think about using / showing the caption of a tag, instead of the the 
> tag. ... This would be a field to explore. ... and should be doable with UI 
> changes only. ... using the same mechanism that uni-link uses for standad 
> links already. 
>
>>
>>- Search could also include searching aliases, without the need for 
>>explict filtering. 
>>
>> This should be an easy fix. ... I think
>
> have fun!
> mario
>  
>
>

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[tw5] Anyone up to creating an iframe slider macro?

[David Gifford]

Hi everyone,

Last night after reading this thread 
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sDB3uJNuURs) I managed 
to create an ugly, clunky chunk of code for a slider button that opens and 
closes an iframe:

<$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
<$button
 class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
setTo="show">Open ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
(Sproul)''<$reveal type="match" 
state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
<$button 
class="tc-btn-invisible" set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" 
setTo="hide">Hide ''//Surprised by Suffering// 
(Sproul)''

But I would like it to be shorter, something roughly like

<>


...so I can create a stamp and insert a lot of them in the same tiddler 
without it being quite as big a mess.

Is there anyone willing and able to do me up a global macro for that?

If you are wondering why I would do that: my idea is to take notes on books 
in my Dynalist outliner, sort the notes topically there, then go into a 
TiddlyWiki with tiddlers for topics like 'Suffering' and stamp sliders to 
iframes of my notes on that subject from each book. That way I don't have 
to transfer notes, just iframe links. Yet I can open and close the notes 
for any given book with notes on that subject rather than open the link and 
come back to the TW when I am done there.

While I plan to use it for iframes to Dynalist, in theory it could be used 
to iframe tiddlers in other TiddlyWikis, notes in Evernote, etc. I was 
thinking also about using this to create a TiddlyWiki version of the 
toolmap, where the buttons open the sections of the toolmap.

Thanks in advance to anyone willing to take this on, assuming it can be 
done with not too much trouble.

Dave

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[tw5] Re: Active Button - Inactive Button

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The <$button> widget appears to take the style attribute. So you can make 
your "fake" button in the example like:

<$button style='opacity: 0.6;cursor:not-allowed'>No 

-- Mark

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> The real application here I want is in Navigation
> I have put a Next / Previous button to navigate among a list of tiddlers 
> tagged with learning. 
> I click the Next/Previous and navigate through tiddlers like what in 
> WizardWizard (http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/WizardWizard/)
> When I reach the last tiddler, I want to have the Next button visible but 
> grayed out (inactive).
>
> In your solution, button is visible and active but do nothing, user does 
> not understand if this is the last tiddler or some error is happened 
>
>
> So in brief, I want to have the button visible but when the condition does 
> not meet, the button grayed out.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:16:58 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> It depends what you really wanted to do. If you want the button to appear 
>> if the *current *tiddler is tagged "learning", then
>> in the example, add filter operator "all[current]". e.g. 
>> "[all[current]tag[learning]]" 
>>
>> If you wanted the button to appear if there is a tiddler tagged 
>> "learning" *anywhere *in your set, then just limit the filter with the 
>> *limit 
>> *filter operator. You can even use the "emptyMessage" attribute to 
>> generate the non-functioning button, so you only need one <$list>. e.g.
>>
>> <$list filter="[tag[learning]limit[1]]" emptyMessage="<$button>This 
>> button is fake"
>> >
>> <$button>This button is real
>> 
>>
>> Good luck
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:08:18 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>>  If I am right when the Button is put inside list widget it should be 
>>> created as many times as list iterate
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[tag[learning]]">
>>> <$button>Hi there
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> In the other case nothing is shown
>>>
>>> I appreciate if clarify this.
>>>
>>> /Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:05:58 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:

 Mohammad,

 Yes it is very possible, and there is more.

 You can clone and edit existing buttons if you want, then edit the 
 transclusions for your own hints and captions, then duplicate the button 
 and have one display in one condition, and the other in another.

 <$list filter"[tag[learning]]">
 Button tag learning
 
 *<$list filter"[!tag[learning]]">*
 Not active Button (No actions, gray)
 

 Under this method you choose if this is displayed on tiddlers, or 
 behind the more of the tiddler toolbar.

 You could wrap both in another list filter and actually choose that no 
 button is shown in certain conditions.

 Regards
 Tony

 On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:26:28 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Is it possible to have a button active for some conditions and 
> inactive for some other conditions?
> I don't mean to hide the button. The inactive button can be grayed 
> out and does not react on mouse click!
>
> For example, consider a list as below
>
> 
> <$list filter"[tag[learning]]">
> <>
> 
> 
>
> I wrap this code into a *button widget*, I want to have the button 
> grayed out when there is no tiddler tagged with learning!
>
>
> If you can give a simple example, I appreciate to have that.
>
>
> Best
> Mohammad
>


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[tw5] Import an article from wikipedia

[Diego Mesa]

Hello all,

I've come across some previous posts about this topic, but others were 
interested in importing the entire Wikipedia database (awesome!). I want a 
simple way to to just import one article or section of the article. Right 
now, I copy/paste and in a text editor make the necessary changes in wiki 
markup myself for khatex markup, bold, etc.

Does anyone know of a better way? Or has anyone written any personal 
scripts for this that they wouldn't mind sharing?

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[David Gifford]

How I hit a printer:

1) I go to the print menu in Firefox
2) I check that the scale and other settings are how I want them
3) I click print.

I do have the following in all my stylesheet tiddlers:

/*HIDE SECTIONS FOR PRINTING*/

@media print {#tc-page-background {display: none ! important;}} 
@media print {.tc-tags-wrapper {display: none ! important;}} 

 @media print { body.tc-body {background-color: transparent;}
 @media print {.tc-image-chevron-up {display: none ! important;}} 
 @media print {.tc-image-chevron-down {display: none ! important;}} 


.sidebar-header, .tc-topbar {
display: none;
}

@media print {

.story-river {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}

html body.tc-body .tc-tiddler-frame {
margin: 0;
border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
padding: 5px;}

html body.tc-body a.tc-tiddlylink-external:hover {
border: 1px solid <>;
}

html body.tc-body .tc-tiddler-info {
padding: 14px 42px 14px 42px;
background-color: <>;}

}
}


On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 5:44:00 AM UTC-5, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> How I print a tiddler:
>
> 1) Render the tiddler
> 2) Copy / paste it into a word processor
> 3) Fix any formatting that does not come out as expected
> 4) Return to TW5 to get the title (and subtitle)
> 5) Print from word processor
> 6) Any last minute changes from word processor (spelling, PS add-ons, etc) 
> are retyped into TW5
>
> I would like to know the process you use
>
> I found this in another discussion and created a tiddler with the 
> $:/tags/Stylesheet tag 
>
> @media print { @page { margin-right: 4.0cm; } }
>
> There are scant references to printing - how do you "print to PDF"?
>
> As you can see, mine is a very basic question
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop - can't open nw

[mgrbl]

thx for the tip, I'll check those out as well.

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:20:23 PM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> tried that before installing "libgconfig" but couldn't open the file: 
>> "Untrusted Application Launcher". since there was no "permissions" tab, I 
>> couldn't allow "executing file as program" either. however, now there is 
>> such a tab, so problem solved again, thx!
>>
>> the only weird thing remaining is that TiddlyDesktop does show up in the 
>> app launcher but when I right-click the icon to "see details", I still get 
>> the message "no application found"...
>>
>>>
>>> That must be related to the desktop file missing some information or nw 
> being unknown to the operating system. I don't know. I think you can find 
> more informations about that googling for it or asking on a good linux 
> forum.
> The arch linux forums for example are very active. Manjaro, too.
>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[BurningTreeC]

>
> One question:
> When in Zoomin storyview a tiddler is opened, where its name is stored? I 
> mean is there any state tiddler from that
> we could recognize the name of current tiddler. If so, we can update the 
> content of presentation-tiddler no matter how
> and from where the current tiddler has been opened!
>
> What do you think?
>

As far as I know there's no such thing. There's only the $:/StoryList 
tiddler with the list of all open tiddlers but no reference which tiddler 
is shown.
I agree with you, that in Zoomin storyview it should be possible to have 
access to the currently viewed tiddler. That's something for a github pull 
request

>
> /Mohammad
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop - can't open nw

[BurningTreeC]

>
> tried that before installing "libgconfig" but couldn't open the file: 
> "Untrusted Application Launcher". since there was no "permissions" tab, I 
> couldn't allow "executing file as program" either. however, now there is 
> such a tab, so problem solved again, thx!
>
> the only weird thing remaining is that TiddlyDesktop does show up in the 
> app launcher but when I right-click the icon to "see details", I still get 
> the message "no application found"...
>
>>
>> That must be related to the desktop file missing some information or nw 
being unknown to the operating system. I don't know. I think you can find 
more informations about that googling for it or asking on a good linux 
forum.
The arch linux forums for example are very active. Manjaro, too.

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[Mohammad]

One question:
When in Zoomin storyview a tiddler is opened, where its name is stored? I 
mean is there any state tiddler from that
we could recognize the name of current tiddler. If so, we can update the 
content of presentation-tiddler no matter how
and from where the current tiddler has been opened!

What do you think?

/Mohammad



On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 4:41:22 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> I tested your previous solution, it works like a charm!
>> Thank you. Now keyboard shortcut and the button work fine no matter how 
>> navigation is done.
>>
>> To start presentation: (demo: http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/)
>> [Note: The above version still has not the shortcutjeys]
>>
>>1.  I load a saved presentation from slides tab from sidebar
>>2. I go to browser fullscreen
>>3. I click the small toggle button up-left to set the presentation 
>>mode
>>4. I navigate using buttons at the bottom
>>
>> If you toggle back to author mode, you can click on other tiddlers in 
>> open Tab or interwiki links to go to other slide tiddlesr, then you can 
>> again click the toggle button to return back to presentation mode!
>> Here you will have the current tiddler in focus. The state tiddler still 
>> has the previous value not the title of tiddler under focus!
>>
>
> There's no easy fix for this. The links in the "Open" tab are all link 
> widgets, no buttons, so modifying that tab would be a lot of work for the 
> value...
> Figuring out how one can get the currently viewed tiddler from outside the 
> story is one of the mysteries of tiddlywiki 
>
>>
>> I will upload the Tiddlyshow+KeeBoord in few minutes.
>>
>> /Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[BurningTreeC]

>
> @BTC
>  The above post edited.
> I have uploaded the Tiddlyshow+KeeBoord with your last solution.
>

I've tried it, really cool to see it in action. Good work! 

>
> http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> /Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop - can't open nw

[mgrbl]

tried that before installing "libgconfig" but couldn't open the file: 
"Untrusted Application Launcher". since there was no "permissions" tab, I 
couldn't allow "executing file as program" either. however, now there is 
such a tab, so problem solved again, thx!

the only weird thing remaining is that TiddlyDesktop does show up in the 
app launcher but when I right-click the icon to "see details", I still get 
the message "no application found"...

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:03:02 AM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> thx @BurningTreeC, worked like a charm!
>>
>> when I opened ./nw in terminal, I did get the message 
>> "[11774:11774:0607/091416.715812:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(299)] 
>> GLib-GObject: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" - 
>> but it did run TiddlyDesktop anyway, so I guess all good...
>>
>> I still can't open "nw" via file mngr though - and when I right-click on 
>> the TiddlyDesktop icon in my favorites to "Show Details", I get the message 
>> "no application found". just out of curiosity, any idea why this is?
>>
>>>
>>> On linux you need a so-called desktop file to launch programs from the 
> file manager or the "apps launcher"
>
> go to /home/yourname/.local/share/applications and create a new text-file 
> in that folder. Call it tiddlydesktop.desktop and put this inside:
>
> [Desktop Entry]
> Name=TiddlyDesktop
> Icon=/home/yourname/path-to-your-tiddlydesktop-nw/images/app-icon.png
> Exec=/home/yourname/path-to-your-tiddlydesktop-nw/nw
> Terminal=false
> Type=Application
> Categories=Utility;
>
> Save the file - then TiddlyDesktop should show up in your app launcher
>
> I'm not sure about the "ERROR" (it's more a warning) - I get it, too. It's 
> not related to TiddlyDesktop itself, more something related to 
> gnome/gtk/libglib
>
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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[BurningTreeC]

>
> I tested your previous solution, it works like a charm!
> Thank you. Now keyboard shortcut and the button work fine no matter how 
> navigation is done.
>
> To start presentation: (demo: http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/)
> [Note: The above version still has not the shortcutjeys]
>
>1.  I load a saved presentation from slides tab from sidebar
>2. I go to browser fullscreen
>3. I click the small toggle button up-left to set the presentation mode
>4. I navigate using buttons at the bottom
>
> If you toggle back to author mode, you can click on other tiddlers in open 
> Tab or interwiki links to go to other slide tiddlesr, then you can again 
> click the toggle button to return back to presentation mode!
> Here you will have the current tiddler in focus. The state tiddler still 
> has the previous value not the title of tiddler under focus!
>

There's no easy fix for this. The links in the "Open" tab are all link 
widgets, no buttons, so modifying that tab would be a lot of work for the 
value...
Figuring out how one can get the currently viewed tiddler from outside the 
story is one of the mysteries of tiddlywiki 

>
> I will upload the Tiddlyshow+KeeBoord in few minutes.
>
> /Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[Mohammad]

@BTC
 The above post edited.
I have uploaded the Tiddlyshow+KeeBoord with your last solution.

http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[Mohammad]

I tested your previous solution, it works like a charm!
Thank you. Now keyboard shortcut and the button work fine no matter how 
navigation is done.

To start presentation: (demo: http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/)
[Note: The above version still has not the shortcutjeys]

   1.  I load a saved presentation from slides tab from sidebar
   2. I go to browser fullscreen
   3. I click the small toggle button up-left to set the presentation mode
   4. I navigate using buttons at the bottom

If you toggle back to author mode, you can click from open Tab or interwiki 
links to go to other slide tiddler, then you can gain click the toggle 
button to return back to presentation mode!
Here you will have the current tiddler in focus.

I will upload the Tiddlyshow+KeeBoord in few minutes.

/Mohammad





On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 4:15:21 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Great BTC!
>>  This seems to work! 
>>
>> If you start your presentation from a different tiddler than the first 
>> one, you'll need to set the text of $:/state/presentation-tiddler to that 
>> tiddler
>>
>> How can I do this? Is it from presentation button? Can I use the 
>> currentTiddler then?
>>
>> How do you set the presentation to start from the middle?
>  
>
>> /Mohammad
>>
>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi BTC,
  I have still one problem I could not figure out!
 To synchronize the navigation by shortcut keys and buttons (here links 
 with mouse clicks), I tried to use the state tiddler in the tiddler 
 handles 
 the navigation. Here are the next previous button (links)


 

   
 <$list filter="[all[current]previous[$:/StoryList]]">
   <$link to={{!!title}}  tooltip="previous: {{!!title}}">
 <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
 text={{!!title}}/>
 {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-left}}
   
 
   

   
{{!!page}}
  

   
 <$list filter="[all[current]next[$:/StoryList]]">
   <$link to={{!!title}} tooltip="next: {{!!title}}">
 <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
 text={{!!title}}/>
 {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
   
 
   

 


 But it seems the state tiddler ($:/state/presentation-tiddler) is not 
 update. So, the shortcutkeys (alt+Right and alt+Left) actions are not the 
 same as link clicks.
 I mean both of them works but when navigate from same tiddler, the 
 result is different!

>>>
>>> Yes, the link widget will not trigger the action string. You'll need to 
>>> replace it with a button:
>>>
>>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" to={{!!title}} 
>>> set="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" setTo={{!!title}} tooltip="yourtip">
>>> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>

 One more question: If I start navigation from middle of story river, 
 the button works fine because they navigate from the current tiddler, but 
 I 
 dont know how to tell this to Shortcutkeys tiddler (i.e. next-slide, 
 previous-slide).


>>> That's why we use the $:/state/presentation-tiddler to save the 
>>> currently viewed tiddler. So in the shortcuts you get it by:
>>>
>>> {{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}}
>>>
>>> ... like:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="$:/StoryList" history="$:/HistoryList">
>>> <$list filter="[{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}next[$:/StoryList]]">
>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-navigate"/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> If you start your presentation from a different tiddler than the first 
>>> one, you'll need to set the text of $:/state/presentation-tiddler to that 
>>> tiddler 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Great BTC!
>  This seems to work! 
>
> If you start your presentation from a different tiddler than the first 
> one, you'll need to set the text of $:/state/presentation-tiddler to that 
> tiddler
>
> How can I do this? Is it from presentation button? Can I use the 
> currentTiddler then?
>
> How do you set the presentation to start from the middle?
 

> /Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> Hi BTC,
>>>  I have still one problem I could not figure out!
>>> To synchronize the navigation by shortcut keys and buttons (here links 
>>> with mouse clicks), I tried to use the state tiddler in the tiddler handles 
>>> the navigation. Here are the next previous button (links)
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>   
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]previous[$:/StoryList]]">
>>>   <$link to={{!!title}}  tooltip="previous: {{!!title}}">
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
>>> text={{!!title}}/>
>>> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-left}}
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>   
>>>{{!!page}}
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]next[$:/StoryList]]">
>>>   <$link to={{!!title}} tooltip="next: {{!!title}}">
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
>>> text={{!!title}}/>
>>> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> But it seems the state tiddler ($:/state/presentation-tiddler) is not 
>>> update. So, the shortcutkeys (alt+Right and alt+Left) actions are not the 
>>> same as link clicks.
>>> I mean both of them works but when navigate from same tiddler, the 
>>> result is different!
>>>
>>
>> Yes, the link widget will not trigger the action string. You'll need to 
>> replace it with a button:
>>
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" to={{!!title}} 
>> set="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" setTo={{!!title}} tooltip="yourtip">
>> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> One more question: If I start navigation from middle of story river, the 
>>> button works fine because they navigate from the current tiddler, but I 
>>> dont know how to tell this to Shortcutkeys tiddler (i.e. next-slide, 
>>> previous-slide).
>>>
>>>
>> That's why we use the $:/state/presentation-tiddler to save the currently 
>> viewed tiddler. So in the shortcuts you get it by:
>>
>> {{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}}
>>
>> ... like:
>>
>> <$navigator story="$:/StoryList" history="$:/HistoryList">
>> <$list filter="[{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}next[$:/StoryList]]">
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-navigate"/>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> If you start your presentation from a different tiddler than the first 
>> one, you'll need to set the text of $:/state/presentation-tiddler to that 
>> tiddler 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[Mohammad]

Great BTC!
 This seems to work! 

If you start your presentation from a different tiddler than the first one, 
you'll need to set the text of $:/state/presentation-tiddler to that tiddler

How can I do this? Is it from presentation button? Can I use the 
currentTiddler then?

/Mohammad

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi BTC,
>>  I have still one problem I could not figure out!
>> To synchronize the navigation by shortcut keys and buttons (here links 
>> with mouse clicks), I tried to use the state tiddler in the tiddler handles 
>> the navigation. Here are the next previous button (links)
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>> <$list filter="[all[current]previous[$:/StoryList]]">
>>   <$link to={{!!title}}  tooltip="previous: {{!!title}}">
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
>> text={{!!title}}/>
>> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-left}}
>>   
>> 
>>   
>>
>>   
>>{{!!page}}
>>  
>>
>>   
>> <$list filter="[all[current]next[$:/StoryList]]">
>>   <$link to={{!!title}} tooltip="next: {{!!title}}">
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
>> text={{!!title}}/>
>> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
>>   
>> 
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> But it seems the state tiddler ($:/state/presentation-tiddler) is not 
>> update. So, the shortcutkeys (alt+Right and alt+Left) actions are not the 
>> same as link clicks.
>> I mean both of them works but when navigate from same tiddler, the result 
>> is different!
>>
>
> Yes, the link widget will not trigger the action string. You'll need to 
> replace it with a button:
>
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" to={{!!title}} 
> set="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" setTo={{!!title}} tooltip="yourtip">
> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
> 
>
>  
>
>>
>> One more question: If I start navigation from middle of story river, the 
>> button works fine because they navigate from the current tiddler, but I 
>> dont know how to tell this to Shortcutkeys tiddler (i.e. next-slide, 
>> previous-slide).
>>
>>
> That's why we use the $:/state/presentation-tiddler to save the currently 
> viewed tiddler. So in the shortcuts you get it by:
>
> {{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}}
>
> ... like:
>
> <$navigator story="$:/StoryList" history="$:/HistoryList">
> <$list filter="[{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}next[$:/StoryList]]">
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-navigate"/>
> 
> 
>
> If you start your presentation from a different tiddler than the first 
> one, you'll need to set the text of $:/state/presentation-tiddler to that 
> tiddler 
>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Hi BTC,
>  I have still one problem I could not figure out!
> To synchronize the navigation by shortcut keys and buttons (here links 
> with mouse clicks), I tried to use the state tiddler in the tiddler handles 
> the navigation. Here are the next previous button (links)
>
>
> 
>
>   
> <$list filter="[all[current]previous[$:/StoryList]]">
>   <$link to={{!!title}}  tooltip="previous: {{!!title}}">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
> text={{!!title}}/>
> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-left}}
>   
> 
>   
>
>   
>{{!!page}}
>  
>
>   
> <$list filter="[all[current]next[$:/StoryList]]">
>   <$link to={{!!title}} tooltip="next: {{!!title}}">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
> text={{!!title}}/>
> {{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
>   
> 
>   
>
> 
>
>
> But it seems the state tiddler ($:/state/presentation-tiddler) is not 
> update. So, the shortcutkeys (alt+Right and alt+Left) actions are not the 
> same as link clicks.
> I mean both of them works but when navigate from same tiddler, the result 
> is different!
>

Yes, the link widget will not trigger the action string. You'll need to 
replace it with a button:

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible" to={{!!title}} 
set="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" setTo={{!!title}} tooltip="yourtip">
{{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}


 

>
> One more question: If I start navigation from middle of story river, the 
> button works fine because they navigate from the current tiddler, but I 
> dont know how to tell this to Shortcutkeys tiddler (i.e. next-slide, 
> previous-slide).
>
>
That's why we use the $:/state/presentation-tiddler to save the currently 
viewed tiddler. So in the shortcuts you get it by:

{{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}}

... like:

<$navigator story="$:/StoryList" history="$:/HistoryList">
<$list filter="[{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}next[$:/StoryList]]">
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-navigate"/>



If you start your presentation from a different tiddler than the first one, 
you'll need to set the text of $:/state/presentation-tiddler to that 
tiddler 

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[tw5] Re: Solution - Displaying large lists in multiple columns

[Mohammad]

thank you

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:07:56 PM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I saw that too, but its no longer occuring. Not sure why.
>
> Of course this example has very long titles and not using captions so a 
> simple list is best for this data.
>
> I will try and see why it is not happening for me.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[Mohammad]

Hi BTC,
 I have still one problem I could not figure out!
To synchronize the navigation of shortcut keys with button (here links with 
mouse clicks), I tried to use the state tiddler in the tiddler handles the 
navigation. Here are the next previous button (links)




  
<$list filter="[all[current]previous[$:/StoryList]]">
  <$link to={{!!title}}  tooltip="previous: {{!!title}}">
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
text={{!!title}}/>
{{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-left}}
  

  

  
   {{!!page}}
 

  
<$list filter="[all[current]next[$:/StoryList]]">
  <$link to={{!!title}} tooltip="next: {{!!title}}">
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" 
text={{!!title}}/>
{{$:/.mr/tiddlyshow/circle-right}}
  

  




But it seems the state tiddler ($:/state/presentation-tiddler) is not 
update. So, the shortcutkeys (alt+Right and alt+Left) actions are not the 
same as link clicks.
I mean both of them works but when navigate from same tiddler, the result 
is different!

One more question: If I start navigation from middle of story river, the 
button works fine because they navigate from the current tiddler, but I 
dont know how to tell this to Shortcutkeys tiddler (i.e. next-slide, 
previous-slide).


Thank you
Mohammad



On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 1:37:23 AM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote
>
> @BTC
>>  Your solution works great!
>> I have assigned Enter, Space, PageDown and Right-arror for next tiddler 
>> (slide) and Left-arrow, PageUp for previous.
>>
>
> Awesome 
>
>>
>> There is some adjustment remained. For example, if I click on the 
>> next-slide button or previous-button, the state tiddler is not notified.
>> Also after slideshow, the next time state tiddler still has the last 
>> slide title and it should rewind.
>>
>
> Yes, you'll need the same solution within your next and previous buttons
> you could add this to the button that starts and ends a presentation:
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler"/>
>
> and modify my code from above:
>
> <$list filter="[[$:/state/presentation-tiddler]is[missing]]">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" text={{{ 
> [list[$:/StoryList]nth[1]] }}}/>
> 
> <$list filter="[list[$:/StoryList]count[]]" variable="storyCount">
> <$list filter="[list[$:/StoryList]nth!title{$:/state/
> presentation-tiddler}]">
> <$list filter="[{$:/state/presentation-tiddler}next[$:/StoryList]]" 
> variable="nextTiddler">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/presentation-tiddler" text=<
> >/>
> <$action-navigate $to=<>/>
> 
> 
> 
>
> With this it sets the state tiddler to the first tiddler if it's missing - 
> and it should be missing when you add the above line to the presentation 
> launcher
>

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[tw5] Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[JWHoneycutt]

How I print a tiddler:

1) Render the tiddler
2) Copy / paste it into a word processor
3) Fix any formatting that does not come out as expected
4) Return to TW5 to get the title (and subtitle)
5) Print from word processor
6) Any last minute changes from word processor (spelling, PS add-ons, etc) 
are retyped into TW5

I would like to know the process you use

I found this in another discussion and created a tiddler with the 
$:/tags/Stylesheet tag 

@media print { @page { margin-right: 4.0cm; } }

There are scant references to printing - how do you "print to PDF"?

As you can see, mine is a very basic question

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[tw5] Re: Solution - Displaying large lists in multiple columns

[TonyM]

Mohammad,

I saw that too, but its no longer occuring. Not sure why.

Of course this example has very long titles and not using captions so a simple 
list is best for this data.

I will try and see why it is not happening for me.

Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

[PMario]

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 11:00:43 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Again, thank you for this wonderful plugin. Just a few thoughts:
>

Thx,

>
>- I was wondering if its possible, and if so what your thoughts are, 
>on having alias linking happen automagically without the additional |? 
>syntax. ...
>
> OK. So my guess is, that >60% of your links are alias links now and they 
start to annoy you, because of the extra 2 chars ;) ... I see. 

>
>- So when I type [[myalias]] the parser would first search for 
>tiddlers with that name, and if none are found, then search for aliases 
>with that name, and if none are found put the italicized link in place for 
>the nonexistent tiddler. 
>
> I'll have to have a look. May be we can make it configurable. ... 

There is a discussion going on (which you started 
) about 
having IDs vs. tiddler title. I didn't watch the thread closely, but I saw 
it ;)

I think, it could be solved with uni-link ... but, I'm not sure if we could 
do it without some core improvements. .. I didn't have a close look yet. 
 

>
>- I frequently find myself making two aliases a name and its plural 
>(example below). Could this be automated as an option? 
>   - tiddler title: An Important Method
>   - aliases: AIM AIMs
>
> Hmm, This is "word stemming" analyses, which depends on used languages: 
see: https://github.com/NaturalNode/natural#stemmers  ... It's a very 
interesting topic. But I would want to have a German version too ;) 

>
>- Could we use aliases in tags? Sometimes I have long tiddlers like A 
>Very Long Important Method with an alias like AVLM. It would be convenient 
>to tag with AVLM as well (I know this was discussed previously, but Im not 
>sure where anymore).
>
> That's why "alias-handling" isn't part of the core ... We will have to 
implement it at a very low level, so it basically works everywhere! 

IMO Tags are only 1 element here. ... 

I think, the main problem is speed. For the alias handling I did implement 
an "alias-cache" to speed up the de-/referencing process. .. 
But tagging itself is used a lot, to create the UI. So slowing down the 
tag-lookup mechanism may have a major performance impact. 

As an alternative: 

I did think about using / showing the caption of a tag, instead of the the 
tag. ... This would be a field to explore. ... and should be doable with UI 
changes only. ... using the same mechanism that uni-link uses for standad 
links already. 

>
>- Search could also include searching aliases, without the need for 
>explict filtering. 
>
> This should be an easy fix. ... I think

have fun!
mario
 

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop - can't open nw

[BurningTreeC]

>
> thx @BurningTreeC, worked like a charm!
>
> when I opened ./nw in terminal, I did get the message 
> "[11774:11774:0607/091416.715812:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(299)] 
> GLib-GObject: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" - 
> but it did run TiddlyDesktop anyway, so I guess all good...
>
> I still can't open "nw" via file mngr though - and when I right-click on 
> the TiddlyDesktop icon in my favorites to "Show Details", I get the message 
> "no application found". just out of curiosity, any idea why this is?
>
>>
>> On linux you need a so-called desktop file to launch programs from the 
file manager or the "apps launcher"

go to /home/yourname/.local/share/applications and create a new text-file 
in that folder. Call it tiddlydesktop.desktop and put this inside:

[Desktop Entry]
Name=TiddlyDesktop
Icon=/home/yourname/path-to-your-tiddlydesktop-nw/images/app-icon.png
Exec=/home/yourname/path-to-your-tiddlydesktop-nw/nw
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=Utility;

Save the file - then TiddlyDesktop should show up in your app launcher

I'm not sure about the "ERROR" (it's more a warning) - I get it, too. It's 
not related to TiddlyDesktop itself, more something related to 
gnome/gtk/libglib

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop - can't open nw

[mgrbl]

thx @BurningTreeC, worked like a charm!

when I opened ./nw in terminal, I did get the message 
"[11774:11774:0607/091416.715812:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(299)] 
GLib-GObject: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" - 
but it did run TiddlyDesktop anyway, so I guess all good...

I still can't open "nw" via file mngr though - and when I right-click on 
the TiddlyDesktop icon in my favorites to "Show Details", I get the message 
"no application found". just out of curiosity, any idea why this is?

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 8:54:33 AM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi @mgrbl 
>
> I'm using TiddlyDesktop on linux, too
> Do you have libgconf installed? sudo apt update; sudo apt install 
> libgconf-2-4 (... in a terminal)
> I tried uninstalling it on my system and got the same error message.
>
> We should add it as a dependency in the TiddlyDesktop Readme
>
> BurningTreeC
>
>

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[tw5] Re: WikiText doesnt render inside details HTML element expandable tree text like in Emacs Org Mode

[harsha]

Hello Thomas,
  Yes, indeed, putting the the content inside a span with a newline at 
beginning formats the wikitext. This works even when details is generated 
by a macro. So, possibly one can generate a macro which converts '* a\n** 
b\n *** c' into a expandible/collapsible hierarchy like in Emacs. Just need 
to figure out the parse rules to do this.

Thanks a lot for your help and your widget!
Harsha.

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:28:53 PM UTC+5:30, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hello Harsha, 
>
> The content of the details widget must have a blank line on top, then it 
> should format as expected. 
>
> Hope that’s it. 
>
> All the best, 
> Thomas 

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop - can't open nw

[BurningTreeC]

Hi @mgrbl 

I'm using TiddlyDesktop on linux, too
Do you have libgconf installed? sudo apt update; sudo apt install 
libgconf-2-4 (... in a terminal)
I tried uninstalling it on my system and got the same error message.

We should add it as a dependency in the TiddlyDesktop Readme

BurningTreeC

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[tw5] TiddlyDesktop - can't open nw

[mgrbl]

I'm having some trouble installing TiddlyDesktop on Ubuntu 18.04:
- downloaded latest release tiddlydesktop-linux64-v0.0.13.zip from 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases
- unzipped the file
- can't open "nw" from file mngr: Could not display "nw". There is no 
application installed for "shared library" files.
- can't run "./nw" from terminal either: No such file or directory.

tried many possible solutions suggested in this group and ubuntu/linux 
groups, w/o any luck.

pretty new to linux/ubuntu, so I might just be missing the obvious here...

all tips welcome, thx!

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[tw5] Re: Migration from TWC to TW5

[Reto]

>
> This is what I plan to do: import my TWC function tiddlers into a TW5, 
> upgrade the tiddlers. Then check what TW5 does with my TWC functionality. I 
> guess it will be marked some way. This are the gaps then. Then try find a 
> way how I can include TW5 functions into TWC tiddlers in a way that is 
> ignored by TWC. In this way I can repeat the cycle until I am done.
>

I think I found a way: in TWC I can use this syntax to hide content:

/%`TODO TW5`%/

 In TW5 this is rendered. That means I can include TW5 "code" inside /% ... 
%/.

On the other side TW5 ignores macro calls and transcluded tiddlers in TWC 
style: something like "<>" ist simply ignored.

This allows me to mark things in tiddlers and even to include TW5 code 
which is ignored in TWC.

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