[tw5] How do I use this thing?

[Mark Jones]

I'm using Chrome on Windows 7.

I've downloaded empty. Where do I save it? Do I just leave it in download 
folder? MUST I leave it there? can I move it elsewhere?

If I use the savetiddlers extension for Chrome, every time I open the URL 
for tiddlywiki, I get the original Getting Started box, no matter how many 
times I change the name, or whether I create new tiddlers. If I open the 
"Recent" tab, I can see the tiddlers I created, but that damn Getting 
Started box is still the only thing present. What am I doing wrong?

If I use the Dropbox save option (which I'd rather use, frankly, so I can 
access my wiki from other machiens), do I still save empty on my computer? 
Where? Do I save it in Dropbox? Where?

I've found the instructions on tiddlywiki.com to be all but useless to me. 
I don't usually have this much trouble figuring out how to install or use a 
piece of software, and I don't like it.

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

io capisco. a dopo. grazie!

J.

BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>
> Step by step. It's too much at once.
> I'm leaving it as it is right now - improvements can always be made in the 
> future
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Or, maybe, to be exact:* "Print River Plus"*

BTW, I thought a quite good name for an eventual plugin could be:* "Print 
> River"*
>

Just thoughts 
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

BTC

Personal note: I often feel bad having ideas, sometimes I know they are 
actually useful, but all too aware someone else is doing the work I can't. 

BTW, I thought a quite good name for an eventual plugin could be:* "Print 
River"*

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

BTC

Okay, Im gonna click around and check if any other popups might be an issue 
in some circumstances. I can't help with Javascript. No skill.

FWIW, since you can get the buttons to work singularly maybe you can avoid 
invoking the popup? What buttons are actually needed in that window? (Given 
its dedicated to print / final edit)? 

Just thoughts
Josiah

On Saturday, 9 June 2018 15:22:40 UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> BTC
>>
>> Sorry I misunderstood. 
>>
>> Is the issue with the popup's in the child window CSS related?
>>
>
> No it's javascript related. I think popups were designed without the new 
> windows in mind. In the window something needs to "hear" your clicks and 
> delete the popups. That is missing in the new window. 
>
>>
>> J.
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter
 One issue: The "More" (down-arrow) menu won't close once opened (FF & 
 Chrome) for me.

>>>
>>>
>>  @BTC
>>
>>> Yes, that's why:
>>>
>>> We'll need to dig into the popups-cancelling problem in new tiddly 
 windows
>>>
>>>
>>> Popups in a new window don't cancel when clicking in that window, you 
>>> need to click in the root window to close them...
>>>
>>> I once tried to figure out how to fix that but wasn't lucky... I guess 
>>> now's the time to take another look. Every helping hand is much appreciated
>>>
>>> BTC
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Ciao BTC
>
> Further to last. A did a bunch of tests and the resultant spacing on 
> actual print is good so my point is actually void.
>
> One thing that I thought was, same as excellent PBR, might be of interest 
> & useful if one could define a fragment of code that could be toggled on or 
> off (i.e. inserted, or not) between Tiddlers (Tiddler specific). I'm 
> thinking of, for example  ...
>
> 
>  
> or maybe wikitext?
>
> Version: <>
>
>
Oh yes, that would be possible.
What are the most commonly used thingys people want to add between tiddlers?
I can only imagine adding the same for all print-tiddlers, not different 
ones for each one.

a text field could be added where you can write your separator

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao BTC

Further to last. A did a bunch of tests and the resultant spacing on actual 
print is good so my point is actually void.

One thing that I thought was, same as excellent PBR, might be of interest & 
useful if one could define a fragment of code that could be toggled on or 
off (i.e. inserted, or not) between Tiddlers (Tiddler specific). I'm 
thinking of, for example  ...


 
or maybe wikitext?

Version: <>

Just thoughts
Josiah

On Saturday, 9 June 2018 15:13:43 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao BTC
>
> I was not clear enough. I did not mean a full preview per se. I meant live 
> style changes related to vertical whitespace within it.
>
> It may be that actually the CSS for printing covers inter-included-Tiddler 
> whitespace already on actual print. I need play with that more to be sure.
>
> I'm simply trying to understand the *relationship between the TW's 
> "normal" CSS and this spawned Window* and whether one could globally 
> apply some over-ride styles just to it.
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

>
> BTC
>
> Sorry I misunderstood. 
>
> Is the issue with the popup's in the child window CSS related?
>

No it's javascript related. I think popups were designed without the new 
windows in mind. In the window something needs to "hear" your clicks and 
delete the popups. That is missing in the new window. 

>
> J.
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
>>> One issue: The "More" (down-arrow) menu won't close once opened (FF & 
>>> Chrome) for me.
>>>
>>
>>
>  @BTC
>
>> Yes, that's why:
>>
>> We'll need to dig into the popups-cancelling problem in new tiddly windows
>>
>>
>> Popups in a new window don't cancel when clicking in that window, you 
>> need to click in the root window to close them...
>>
>> I once tried to figure out how to fix that but wasn't lucky... I guess 
>> now's the time to take another look. Every helping hand is much appreciated
>>
>> BTC
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

BTC

Sorry I misunderstood. 

Is the issue with the popup's in the child window CSS related?

J.

@TiddlyTweeter
>> One issue: The "More" (down-arrow) menu won't close once opened (FF & 
>> Chrome) for me.
>>
>
>
 @BTC

> Yes, that's why:
>
> We'll need to dig into the popups-cancelling problem in new tiddly windows
>
>
> Popups in a new window don't cancel when clicking in that window, you need 
> to click in the root window to close them...
>
> I once tried to figure out how to fix that but wasn't lucky... I guess 
> now's the time to take another look. Every helping hand is much appreciated
>
> BTC
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao BTC

I was not clear enough. I did not mean a full preview per se. I meant live 
style changes related to vertical whitespace within it.

It may be that actually the CSS for printing covers inter-included-Tiddler 
whitespace already on actual print. I need play with that more to be sure.

I wasn't meaning you should do anything! :-) 

I'm simply trying to understand the *relationship between the TW's "normal" 
CSS and this spawned Window* and whether one could globally apply some 
over-ride styles just to it.

Best wishes
J.


BTC
> A print-preview in my eyes is already given clicking the print button and 
> see how it looks like (I have a preview in the print dialogue).
> Another separate preview pane somewhere doesn't make much sense to me
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

@Mohammad, thanks for the links!
I've already added one of those icons

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

Am Samstag, 9. Juni 2018 13:40:24 UTC+2 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Ciao BTC
>
> What I'm trying right now is adding sensible features
>>
>
>  The relationship with stylesheets in it interests me. One thing that 
> strikes me is control of vertical whitespace, especially after hiding Title 
> etc. The PBR is already in that direction for situations where you need 
> pagination.
>
> But I don't quite know how one would handle that more fine-grained given 
> that one might have several styles inherited already?
>
> Just in a way of thinking it's maybe interesting to think of it as an 
> approximation to a  "print-preview? If you get what I mean?
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>
>  I think the page-breaks are a very commonly used feature and would be 
requested often. It's also covered by 
browser-support: https://caniuse.com/#search=page-break-before
Other features that make sense have to be explored but I am happy with the 
page-break right now

A print-preview in my eyes is already given clicking the print button and 
see how it looks like (I have a preview in the print dialogue).
Another separate preview pane somewhere doesn't make much sense to me

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[Mohammad]

Also, check this page
https://linearicons.com/free

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 4:10:15 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Great!
>  This is an icon from wikipedia:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pagebreak.svg
>
> This is another one
> https://icon-icons.com/icon/page-break/48256
>
> Seems they are free to use! 
>
> Keep going on. This is great feature!
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 3:37:19 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> Hello BTC,
>>>  This is really amazing! Print set of tiddlers in form of a PDF or sent 
>>> to the physical printer!
>>> Thank you!
>>> Do you release it as a plugin?
>>>
>>> What is the pbr on the toolbar? I just print by clicking the printer 
>>> icon!
>>>
>>
>> Hi Mohammad, pbr stands for Page-Break ... I'm looking for an icon for it.
>> It allows to print the tiddler on a new page.
>>
>> I'll make a PR for this on github. A print-tiddler button is under 
>> construction over there.
>>
>> What I'm trying right now is adding sensible features
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[Mohammad]

Great!
 This is an icon from wikipedia:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pagebreak.svg

This is another one
https://icon-icons.com/icon/page-break/48256

Seems they are free to use! 

Keep going on. This is great feature!

Cheers
Mohammad


On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 3:37:19 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hello BTC,
>>  This is really amazing! Print set of tiddlers in form of a PDF or sent 
>> to the physical printer!
>> Thank you!
>> Do you release it as a plugin?
>>
>> What is the pbr on the toolbar? I just print by clicking the printer icon!
>>
>
> Hi Mohammad, pbr stands for Page-Break ... I'm looking for an icon for it.
> It allows to print the tiddler on a new page.
>
> I'll make a PR for this on github. A print-tiddler button is under 
> construction over there.
>
> What I'm trying right now is adding sensible features
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao BTC

What I'm trying right now is adding sensible features
>

 The relationship with stylesheets in it interests me. One thing that 
strikes me is control of vertical whitespace, especially after hiding Title 
etc. The PBR is already in that direction for situations where you need 
pagination.

But I don't quite know how one would handle that more fine-grained given 
that one might have several styles inherited already?

Just in a way of thinking it's maybe interesting to think of it as an 
approximation to a  "print-preview? If you get what I mean?

Just thoughts
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

>
> BTC
>
> Looking good!
>
> One issue: The "More" (down-arrow) menu won't close once opened (FF & 
> Chrome) for me.
>

Yes, that's why:

We'll need to dig into the popups-cancelling problem in new tiddly windows


Popups in a new window don't cancel when clicking in that window, you need 
to click in the root window to close them...

I once tried to figure out how to fix that but wasn't lucky... I guess 
now's the time to take another look. Every helping hand is much appreciated

BTC

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

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BTC

Looking good!

One issue: The "More" (down-arrow) menu won't close once opened (FF & 
Chrome) for me.

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

@Ste Wilson,

print-tiddler.tiddlyspot.com now allows adding page-breaks for printing 
before single tiddlers in the print-list

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Hello BTC,
>  This is really amazing! Print set of tiddlers in form of a PDF or sent to 
> the physical printer!
> Thank you!
> Do you release it as a plugin?
>
> What is the pbr on the toolbar? I just print by clicking the printer icon!
>

Hi Mohammad, pbr stands for Page-Break ... I'm looking for an icon for it.
It allows to print the tiddler on a new page.

I'll make a PR for this on github. A print-tiddler button is under 
construction over there.

What I'm trying right now is adding sensible features

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

[Mohammad]

Hello BTC,
 This is really amazing! Print set of tiddlers in form of a PDF or sent to 
the physical printer!
Thank you!
Do you release it as a plugin?

What is the pbr on the toolbar? I just print by clicking the printer icon!

/Mohammad


On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 11:41:04 AM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
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> We'll need to dig into the popups-cancelling problem in new tiddly windows
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Re: [tw5] Text Slicer - JavaScript Error

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Marcus

I think the problem may be that the HTML file is technically an HTML *fragment* 
and not a complete document. It can be fixed by adding this to the top of the 
HTML file:



And this to the bottom:



Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 8 Jun 2018, at 08:37, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> So, I've corrected the line break within the URL of images. It did slice, 
> however it doesn't look like it sliced correctly. Is there anything else that 
> is incorrect or that I am missing?
> http://marcusspratley.updog.co/ 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 12:13:15 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Marcus 
> 
> It looks like the problem is that the original HTML is weirdly formatted in a 
> way that trips up text-slicer, but that the browser doesn’t mind. The 
> specific problem is that there is a line break within the URL of images, like 
> this: 
> 
> http://bglabs.evade.netdna-cdn 
> . 
> com/files/clouds-seamless-background-824.jpg" 
> width="100" height="100" /> 
> 
> So, the easiest fix is probably to open the original HTML document in an 
> editor and correct examples like the above to remove the line break: 
> 
>  src="http://bglabs.evade.netdna-cdn.com/files/clouds-seamless-background-824.jpg
>  
> "
>  width="100" height="100" /> 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
> Jeremy. 
> 
> 
> > On 6 Jun 2018, at 17:02, Marcus sunyit.edu > 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > I'm trying to use the Text Slicer on an imported HTML file. However, 
> > whenever I attempt to use the slice tool I get an error stating "Uncaught 
> > TypeError: Cannot read property 'value' of undefined". Does anyone know 
> > what it could be and/or how to fix it? 
> > 
> > Link is here: 
> > http://marcusspratley.updog.co  
> > 
> > Thanks 
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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

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We'll need to dig into the popups-cancelling problem in new tiddly windows

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[tw5] Re: Basic question - how do you print a tiddler?

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>
> Added to the toolmap in a new section, Printing, with a little 
> explanation.. https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM
>
>
Thanks, David! 

@TiddlyTweeter

Now I've actually made tiddlers editable in that new window.
I changed it to use a separate storylist - there's the benefit of opening 
more tiddlers at once, creating a multi-tiddler document
Now one can add tiddlers to the print list in the new window by clicking 
the print button

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