date:20181012

It worked! Now the only issue is the fact that the padding is colored, and 
the text isn't bold. I get this:

[image: Sem Título2.png]

Instead of this (just built it manually, so the color is slightly 
different):


[image: Sem Título.png]


Is this perhaps related to what you said before? Here:

Note that it won't be bold -- add font-family to your style definition for 
> that.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

It worked! Now the only issue is the fact that the padding is colored, and 
the text isn't bold. I get this:

[image: Sem Título.png]


Instead of this (just built it manually, so the color is slightly 
different):


[image: Sem Título.png]



Is this perhaps related to what you said before? Here:

Note that it won't be bold -- add font-family to your style definition for 
> that.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

So you just want the title block of the table to change color? The cells 
have their own background attribute, called bgcolor.

So just rearrange the Template tiddler to have this text:

\define mytable(colorclass)

 @@display:block;width:23em;color:
lightgrey; <> @@ 
 ''Value 1''  @@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@
@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ 
@@display:block;width:15em;stuff@@ 

@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ 
@@display:block;width:15em;@@ 


\end
<$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>

Note that all I did was remove $colorclass$ from the table tag and add 
bgcolor=$colorclass$ to the first  tag.

Hopefully we're getting close!

-- Mark

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 9:01:00 PM UTC-7, Rafael Aprato wrote:
>
> So...I have good news, and I have bad news :/
>
> The good news is that it works! I can now select the color I want by 
> writing in it the field. Don't even need to call the template inside the 
> tiddler!
>
> The bad news is that what it does is color the letters of all the text 
> inside the table...
>
> I should have started by posting what I'm aiming for. This is what I 
> manually built, and want as an end result (don't mind the text, it's from 
> Wikipedia):
>
> [image: Sem Título.png]
>
>
> So, what I want is just to have that grey in that one cell to be easily 
> changeable, since it will save me from having dozens of templates (one 
> color for each family).
>
> With your second files, I tried different solutions to solve this:
>
> - First I changed the "color" to "background-color". However, it colored 
> the entire table, including the padding;
>
> - Then I tried ending the class inside the table somehow, so that only the 
> title had the background. This didn't work, as it breaks the code;
>
> - Then, tried creating two tables: one for the title, another for the rest 
> of the table (both class="persontable"). Had to insert " "clear:both;">" between the two to make them appear on top of 
> eachother, but it retains a space between the two. Managed to remove it 
> with margins, but a small border between the two still remains. I'll 
> probably be able to remove it, but it's not worth it if I don't solve the 
> final issues:
>
> - The fact that the background color includes the padding, and the fact 
> that it's not centered or bold. Managed to make it centered by substituting 
> the <<>> with {{!tabletitle}} and adding "text-align:center;", but neither 
> '' '' nor  work for bold as they did before. As for padding, 
> changing it in "MyStyles" only makes the cell larger...it's still 
> completely colored, instead of having the bit of color-less padding like in 
> my example.
>
> At this point, I'm considering just creating one template for each color, 
> it seems easier.
>
> What do you think? Is there an easy solution, or should I give up?
>
>
> Rafael
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

So...I have good news, and I have bad news :/

The good news is that it works! I can now select the color I want by
writing in it the field. Don't even need to call the template inside the
tiddler!

The bad news is that what it does is color the letters of all the text
inside the table...

I should have started by posting what I'm aiming for. This is what I
manually built, and want as an end result (don't mind the text, it's from
Wikipedia):

[image: Sem Título.png]

So, what I want is just to have that grey in that one cell to be easily
changeable, since it will save me from having dozens of templates (one
color for each family).

With your second files, I tried different solutions to solve this:

- First I changed the "color" to "background-color". However, it colored
the entire table, including the padding;

- Then I tried ending the class inside the table somehow, so that only the
title had the background. This didn't work, as it breaks the code;

- Then, tried creating two tables: one for the title, another for the rest
of the table (both class="persontable"). Had to insert "" between the two to make them appear on top of
eachother, but it retains a space between the two. Managed to remove it
with margins, but a small border between the two still remains. I'll
probably be able to remove it, but it's not worth it if I don't solve the
final issues:

- The fact that the background color includes the padding, and the fact
that it's not centered or bold. Managed to make it centered by substituting
the <<>> with {{!tabletitle}} and adding "text-align:center;", but neither
'' '' nor work for bold as they did before. As for padding,
changing it in "MyStyles" only makes the cell larger...it's still
completely colored, instead of having the bit of color-less padding like in
my example.

At this point, I'm considering just creating one template for each color,
it seems easier.

What do you think? Is there an easy solution, or should I give up?

Rafael

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

My bad. The kit was missing a key file. Try again with this.

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>
> Hey Mark,
>
> Feedback from importing your file:
>
> - Upon importing, "Person (green)" and "Person (yellow)" have two fields 
> (tablecolor=green, and value1=Hello), two tags ("exportme" and "MyTable") 
> but show nothing.
>
> - When I write "{{Template}}", the table shows up, but like this:
>
> [image: Sem Título.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nothing shows up: the background color in the title cell, the title or the 
> value1 (which should show up to the right of "Value 1")...
>
> Using {{Template Original}} instead produces a slightly different table, 
> with the title text at the center instead of what you see above. Still no 
> color or value1.
>
> Two thoughts:
>
> - I imagined my Stylesheet (where I had already defined the yellow and 
> green values, identically to the "lightgrey" definition I posted in my 
> first message) might be conflicting with your new one, so I deleted my 
> color definitions. No change.
>
> - If your results differ from mine with what you sent, maybe I'm lacking 
> an extension? I only have the "TiddlyWiki 5 core" and "Documentation from 
> tiddlywiki.com" ones.
>
> Can't thank you enough for spending time trying to working this out! Btw, 
> it might be useful to know that I'm on Firefox 62.0.3, Windows 10, and 
> using TiddlyDesktop (results without TD are the same).
>
> Rafael
>

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Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

Hey Mark,

Feedback from importing your file:

- Upon importing, "Person (green)" and "Person (yellow)" have two fields
(colortable=green, and value1=Hello), two tags ("exportme" and "MyTable")
but show nothing.

- When I write "{{Template}}", the table shows up, but like this:

[image: Sem Título.png]

Nothing shows up: the background color in the title cell, the title or the
value1 (which should show up to the right of "Value 1")...

Using {{Template Original}} instead produces a slightly different table,
with the title text at the center instead of what you see above. Still no
color or value1.

Two thoughts:

- I imagined my Stylesheet (where I had already defined the yellow and
green values, identically to the "lightgrey" definition I posted in my
first message) might be conflicting with your new one, so I deleted my
color definitions. No change.

- If your results differ from mine with what you sent, maybe I'm lacking an
extension? I only have the "TiddlyWiki 5 core" and "Documentation from
tiddlywiki.com" ones.

Can't thank you enough for spending time trying to working this out! Btw,
it might be useful to know that I'm on Firefox 62.0.3, Windows 10, and
using TiddlyDesktop (results without TD are the same).

Rafael

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

You'll be happy to know that I'm having troubles too! Also, CSS drives me 
nuts! ;-)

Sometimes, I have to abandon using pipe (|) tables and go back to using 
HTML. Perhaps Jed, Mat, Tony or someone can explain how to fix it using 
pipes, but in this case I had to switch to table structures, as you'll see 
in the attached.

Here's a little kit. Download the attached JSON file. Drag it to your TW, 
and when the green bar appears at the top drop it. Then import the 
tiddlers. Hopefully this will give you a working start!

HTH
-- Mark

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 4:49:23 PM UTC-7, Rafael Aprato wrote:
>
> 2 and 3 yes, I'm just not sure how to do 1. How do I create two classes 
> (lightgrey and yellow) instead of just one? Is this done in the "mytable" 
> tiddler, or in the Stylesheet?
>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

2 and 3 yes, I'm just not sure how to do 1. How do I create two classes 
(lightgrey and yellow) instead of just one? Is this done in the "mytable" 
tiddler, or in the Stylesheet?

>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

Remove $lightgrey$ and $yellow$ -- they'll just distract you.

So, did you:

1. Make a class "yellow" ?
2. Put the value "yellow" in the "tablecolor" field of your "Person 1" 
tiddler?
3. Make sure all tiddlers are out of edit mode (so changes will propagate) ?

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 4:14:50 PM UTC-7, Rafael Aprato wrote:
>
> I understood that, my problem is how to do it! It might help to say that 
> I'm very new to TiddlyWiki, not at all familiar with html/css, and English 
> is not my native language (especially troublesome when I have to google 
> every other word, as in the case of the official documentation).
>
> I tried creating a "yellow" class by changing and adding a lot of stuff in 
> the "mytable" tiddler, like for example:
>
> \define mytable(colorclass)
> |persontable $lightgrey$ $yellow$|k
> |>| @@display:block;width:23em;''[Tiddler-specific 
> title]''@@ |
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em; ''Value 1''  @@ 
> |@@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@ |
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ 
> |
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ 
> |
> \end
> <$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>
>
> And neither this nor other options work.
>
> In essence: I have no idea of what I'm doing. I've read the 'Styles and 
> Classes' documentation, but the code there is different, and it doesn't 
> seem to explain how to do exactly what I want...
>
> Really sorry for bothering you with this, I'm sure your explanations are 
> great, it's just that I'm a bit more of a newbie than most of newbies here!
>
> Rafael
>
> sexta-feira, 12 de Outubro de 2018 às 23:59:11 UTC+1, Mark S. escreveu:
>>
>> Yes, you need to create classes for each color. Sorry if that wasn't 
>> clear.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:36:38 PM UTC-7, Rafael Aprato wrote:
>>>
>>> I know there's something obvious I'm overlooking, but how do I add 
>>> another class for yellow, for example? if I have this in a "mytable" 
>>> tiddler:
>>>
>>> \define mytable(colorclass)
>>> |persontable $colorclass$|k
>>> |>| @@display:block;width:23em;''[Tiddler-specific 
>>> title]''@@ |
>>> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em; ''Value 1''  @@ 
>>> |@@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@ |
>>> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ 
>>> |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
>>> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ 
>>> |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
>>> \end
>>> <$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>
>>>
>>> And then call the template with {{mytable}} in "Person 1", the cell 
>>> comes out as lightgrey without any "colorclass" field. I imagine the 
>>> solution as to do with what you said here:
>>>
>>> Tables can add their own class with a line like:

 |firstclass secondclass|k

 at the start.

>>>
>>> But playing around that second column only produces errors...
>>>
>>> Do I need to modify the Stylesheet? What am I missing?
>>>
>>> Rafael
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

I understood that, my problem is how to do it! It might help to say that 
I'm very new to TiddlyWiki, not at all familiar with html/css, and English 
is not my native language (especially troublesome when I have to google 
every other word, as in the case of the official documentation).

I tried creating a "yellow" class by changing and adding a lot of stuff in 
the "mytable" tiddler, like for example:

\define mytable(colorclass)
|persontable $lightgrey$ $yellow$|k
|>| @@display:block;width:23em;''[Tiddler-specific 
title]''@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em; ''Value 1''  @@ 
|@@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
\end
<$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>

And neither this nor other options work.

In essence: I have no idea of what I'm doing. I've read the 'Styles and 
Classes' documentation, but the code there is different, and it doesn't 
seem to explain how to do exactly what I want...

Really sorry for bothering you with this, I'm sure your explanations are 
great, it's just that I'm a bit more of a newbie than most of newbies here!

Rafael

sexta-feira, 12 de Outubro de 2018 às 23:59:11 UTC+1, Mark S. escreveu:
>
> Yes, you need to create classes for each color. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:36:38 PM UTC-7, Rafael Aprato wrote:
>>
>> I know there's something obvious I'm overlooking, but how do I add 
>> another class for yellow, for example? if I have this in a "mytable" 
>> tiddler:
>>
>> \define mytable(colorclass)
>> |persontable $colorclass$|k
>> |>| @@display:block;width:23em;''[Tiddler-specific 
>> title]''@@ |
>> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em; ''Value 1''  @@ 
>> |@@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@ |
>> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ 
>> |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
>> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ 
>> |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
>> \end
>> <$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>
>>
>> And then call the template with {{mytable}} in "Person 1", the cell comes 
>> out as lightgrey without any "colorclass" field. I imagine the solution as 
>> to do with what you said here:
>>
>> Tables can add their own class with a line like:
>>>
>>> |firstclass secondclass|k
>>>
>>> at the start.
>>>
>>
>> But playing around that second column only produces errors...
>>
>> Do I need to modify the Stylesheet? What am I missing?
>>
>> Rafael
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

Yes, you need to create classes for each color. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

-- Mark

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:36:38 PM UTC-7, Rafael Aprato wrote:
>
> I know there's something obvious I'm overlooking, but how do I add another 
> class for yellow, for example? if I have this in a "mytable" tiddler:
>
> \define mytable(colorclass)
> |persontable $colorclass$|k
> |>| @@display:block;width:23em;''[Tiddler-specific 
> title]''@@ |
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em; ''Value 1''  @@ 
> |@@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@ |
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ 
> |
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ 
> |
> \end
> <$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>
>
> And then call the template with {{mytable}} in "Person 1", the cell comes 
> out as lightgrey without any "colorclass" field. I imagine the solution as 
> to do with what you said here:
>
> Tables can add their own class with a line like:
>>
>> |firstclass secondclass|k
>>
>> at the start.
>>
>
> But playing around that second column only produces errors...
>
> Do I need to modify the Stylesheet? What am I missing?
>
> Rafael
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob for Dummies?

2018-10-12 Thread Dave

Ok, cool - Thanks for making this!!! (sounds like TW node.js made simple :)

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 4:28:21 PM UTC-6, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> BobEXE is the portable version. Someone made a custom setup so that it 
> show up as a portable apps menu thing, but that is unrelated to Bob.
>
> If you want to use Bob and don't want to think about it, follow the link 
> for BobEXE, find the executable for your system (windows osx or linux), 
> download it to the folder where you want your wikis and run it.
>
> Then it will be like a normal tiddlywiki. If you are on windows or osx it 
> will open a terminal window that you can ignore. You can stop the server by 
> closing the terminal window.
>
> Edits are saved as soon as you make them, there is more in the first 
> tiddler that you will see in the wiki that opens when you run the 
> executable. There is documentation in the 'Bob Settings' tab in the control 
> panel.
>
> There is more you can do but that should be everything you need to use it.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

I know there's something obvious I'm overlooking, but how do I add another 
class for yellow, for example? if I have this in a "mytable" tiddler:

\define mytable(colorclass)
|persontable $colorclass$|k
|>| @@display:block;width:23em;''[Tiddler-specific 
title]''@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em; ''Value 1''  @@ 
|@@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
\end
<$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>

And then call the template with {{mytable}} in "Person 1", the cell comes 
out as lightgrey without any "colorclass" field. I imagine the solution as 
to do with what you said here:

Tables can add their own class with a line like:
>
> |firstclass secondclass|k
>
> at the start.
>

But playing around that second column only produces errors...

Do I need to modify the Stylesheet? What am I missing?

Rafael

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[tw5] Re: Bob for Dummies?

BobEXE is the portable version. Someone made a custom setup so that it show 
up as a portable apps menu thing, but that is unrelated to Bob.

If you want to use Bob and don't want to think about it, follow the link 
for BobEXE, find the executable for your system (windows osx or linux), 
download it to the folder where you want your wikis and run it.

Then it will be like a normal tiddlywiki. If you are on windows or osx it 
will open a terminal window that you can ignore. You can stop the server by 
closing the terminal window.

Edits are saved as soon as you make them, there is more in the first 
tiddler that you will see in the wiki that opens when you run the 
executable. There is documentation in the 'Bob Settings' tab in the control 
panel.

There is more you can do but that should be everything you need to use it.

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[tw5] Re: How to derive future dates from <> macro?

2018-10-12 Thread Jeff Vance

Hi Mohammad,

Yes, that's exactly what I needed!  Thanks! I tested it and it's working 
now.

Cheers,
Jeff





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[tw5] Bob for Dummies?

2018-10-12 Thread Dave

Hi, for computer non-professionals and casual TW tinkerers, is there a best 
path to experiment with Bob?

I see these links a lot:

The plugin version is available here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The BobEXE version is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases/tag/1.0.7
>

and I also noticed a portable version...

Is there a recommended way for amateurs among these, or should we wait 
until "version 1.5" or something?
I'm just not familiar at all with "server language" (if that even makes 
sense), although I can use the linux terminal no probs...

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

Mohammad: The Q & A idea is okay. Problem is that GG activists are small in 
number & some of us are not Q & A people. For instance, I occasionally like 
to make jokes or write rambling investigations which sometimes turn out to 
be worth doing even though they are no way Q & A. If it cuts my expression 
down I don't want to do it as a main thing. Strict Q & A is out for me.

Arlen: I think stackoverflow.com was a great idea as a supplementary system 
to GG. I think the main problem was/is their very particular rules on 
meeting targets. The TW GG group is exceptionally high quality even on *very 
low numbers* of participants. Stackoverflow has NO concept of enthusiasm. 
So once you try to get into it it feels like a series of meaningless 
hurdles to get over that WE are already over. I do think the final quality 
is good. But IMO it can only be, at best, a sub-sector to support TW. TBH, 
we NEED more people (activists) to even begin to make something of places 
like stackoverflow.

Best wishes
Josiah

Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> If we are going to do that, we should really just dust off 
> stackoverflow.com. Most of the wikitext and javascript related questions 
> could easily be moved there.
>

 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> I think there is an alternative solution. It is to have a dedicated 
>> platform for question and answer!
>> One solution is to use the free platform *Question2Answer *(
>> https://www.question2answer.org/) and 
>> setup it on* tiddlywiki.com  * with an address 
>> like *qa.tiddliwiki.com  *or *forum.tiddlywiki.com 
>> *
>>
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] testing Bob and BobEXE version 1.0.7 prerelease

I hadn't noticed that because all of my tests use scripts that set the 
environment variable. I set that inside the code for the online version so 
I may be able to make that happen in the Bob plugin as well.

I am always surprised by how many edge cases pop up as soon as multiple 
people use the same software.

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Re: [tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited

Updated description.

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 11:00:41 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Yeah, that's fine. TiddlyWiki Toolmap. Description can be, A topical index 
> of known plugins, tutorials, themes, and other helpful tools for TiddlyWiki.
>
> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Here we go. Maybe @David will want to check it out:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3478
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 1:36:07 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, I'm afraid I had no idea it was not linked. I don't tend to focus on 
>>> compiling links for tw.com because it's something that many other 
>>> people in the community can do, and I try to focus on the tasks for which 
>>> I'm the blocker. I'm travelling today but if someone can submit a PR I'll 
>>> be happy to merge it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] testing Bob and BobEXE version 1.0.7 prerelease

2018-10-12 Thread Matthew Lauber

Figured out my issue.  It's not actually a bug in your code, per se.  This 
line 

 
in boot.js only executes if the TIDDLYWIKI_PLUGIN_PATH env var is defined.  
Once I defined that to point to the same folder I defined in the settings, 
my plugins started to show up correctly.  That looks to me like a bug, but 
I'm really not that well versed in the boot.js plugin loading code.

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 11:51:10 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> To try and cover the simplest problem right away, you have to refresh the 
> list by clicking the 'Update Plugin List' before the new plugin will show 
> up. If that isn't the problem than the next thing to check is to make sure 
> that there is a plugin.info file in the saved folder. I don't know why 
> there wouldn't be but that is the first thing I can think of to check.
>

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Re: [tw5] TW5 able to trigger/run bash script yet?

2018-10-12 Thread Dave

Thank you both :)

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Re: [tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited

2018-10-12 Thread David Gifford

Yeah, that's fine. TiddlyWiki Toolmap. Description can be, A topical index 
of known plugins, tutorials, themes, and other helpful tools for TiddlyWiki.

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Here we go. Maybe @David will want to check it out:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3478
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 1:36:07 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ah, I'm afraid I had no idea it was not linked. I don't tend to focus on 
>> compiling links for tw.com because it's something that many other people 
>> in the community can do, and I try to focus on the tasks for which I'm the 
>> blocker. I'm travelling today but if someone can submit a PR I'll be happy 
>> to merge it.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

2018-10-12 Thread Arlen Beiler

If we are going to do that, we should really just dust off stackoverflow.com.
Most of the wikitext and javascript related questions could easily be moved
there. More community-related questions such as suggestions and
philosophical think-tank type discussions would continue to happen here. So
would plugin and software announcements. Plus they have a really good chat
room setup that works very well for this type of thing. If comments start
getting into a discussion, the system suggests moving the whole
conversation to a dedicated chat room, which is very nice. There are also
some simple things that can be done with the tags.

Then I think we should open the Github wiki for anyone to contribute to,
assuming of course that it has a revision history so we can rollback
malicious or mistaken edits.  I don't think we have to worry much about
spam. On the other hand, we should really be using Wikibooks or any one of
the other publicly available services besides GitHub to compile
information.

Wikibooks is actually really good for that type of thing and has several
software communities on it already. The nice thing about Wikibooks is that
because the Mediawiki software it runs on is so popular, we can easily
export it to other formats and do a ton of other stuff with it. But it
doesn't have to be Wikibooks. There are plenty of places that support
Markdown as well as other formats. And it wouldn't actually be that hard to
modify TiddlyWiki to be a single-page app that displays one page at a time
or load tiddlers directly from the server in a sort of static format but
which could also be edited directly and saved back to the server like
MediaWiki. It would even be possible for MediaWiki to be the backend and
TiddlyWiki to be the frontend. But better to have TiddlyWiki on the backend
serving static pages and just add a couple tweaks to allow for the massive
multiuser headache that is created when you try to mimic Wikipedia.

Just my thoughts at 2 AM.

Arlen

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 11:10 PM Mohammad 
wrote:

> Alternative solution
>
> Question2Answer is a free and open source platform for Q sites
>
>
>
> I think there is an alternative solution. It is to have a dedicated
> platform for question and answer!
> One solution is to use the free platform *Question2Answer *(
> https://www.question2answer.org/) and
> setup it on* tiddlywiki.com  * with an address
> like *qa.tiddliwiki.com  *or *forum.tiddlywiki.com
> *
>
>
> It will be under the control of domain admin (like Jeremy or other admins)
> and have many features requested here!
> Easy to setup, choose the best answer, rank answer (+/-), rank responders
> , spam control, setup categories like basics, plugins, developers, ...
>
>
> Take a look and
>
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[tw5] Re: Select Widget and tabs macro: Is this a bug?

2018-10-12 Thread Mohammad

Many thanks Mark.
Solved!

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 9:07:49 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> This problem is mentioned, perhaps a bit obliquely, at the bottom of :
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#tabs%20Macro
>
> The upshot is that you can wrap your select code like this:
>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$select field='fld01' default="aa">
> aa
> bb
> cc
> 
> 
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 8:31:12 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Assume you have some tiddlers used in a *tabs *macro. Among them you 
>> have the below tiddler uses *select widget. *The select widget here uses 
>> a field called *fld01*.
>>
>> Tiddler title: Tida
>> <$select field='fld01' defualt="aa">
>> aa
>> bb
>> cc
>> 
>>
>> Now assume you have another tiddler called *Tutorial *and you have the 
>> below code inside it
>>
>> Tiddler title: Tutorial
>> <>
>>
>>
>> The strange thing here is the* select widget* creates a field *fld01 *in 
>> both tiddlers. I dont understand why tiddler *Tutorial *should have a *fld01 
>> *field!!
>> Suggest I use tens of tiddlers in *tabs *macro, and all of them have a 
>> select widget linked to a field then the *Tutorial *tiddler will have as 
>> many as those
>> tiddlers field!!
>>
>> The attached *json *file reproduces this issue!
>>
>>
>> *-Mohammad *
>>
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[tw5] Re: Select Widget and tabs macro: Is this a bug?

This problem is mentioned, perhaps a bit obliquely, at the bottom of :

https://tiddlywiki.com/#tabs%20Macro

The upshot is that you can wrap your select code like this:

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$select field='fld01' default="aa">
aa
bb
cc



-- Mark


On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 8:31:12 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Assume you have some tiddlers used in a *tabs *macro. Among them you have 
> the below tiddler uses *select widget. *The select widget here uses a 
> field called *fld01*.
>
> Tiddler title: Tida
> <$select field='fld01' defualt="aa">
> aa
> bb
> cc
> 
>
> Now assume you have another tiddler called *Tutorial *and you have the 
> below code inside it
>
> Tiddler title: Tutorial
> <>
>
>
> The strange thing here is the* select widget* creates a field *fld01 *in 
> both tiddlers. I dont understand why tiddler *Tutorial *should have a *fld01 
> *field!!
> Suggest I use tens of tiddlers in *tabs *macro, and all of them have a 
> select widget linked to a field then the *Tutorial *tiddler will have as 
> many as those
> tiddlers field!!
>
> The attached *json *file reproduces this issue!
>
>
> *-Mohammad *
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

I fear you are right.

For me dropping GG (with its very significant, deep web history [I was a 
tiny part of, I guess]) would tell me NOTHING now can last.

The implication being: whatever: you now need adaptable solutions that can 
migrate more easily as it all private companies & we subject to fiat. 

I'm still not quite there yet though.

Philosophically yours
Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>
>> My general impression is Google feels obligated to it (because of the 
>> history of how it took over several other services that, essentially, 
>> previously formed a public domain). Obligated, but doing as little as 
>> possible to make it easier to use as they can't profit from it.
>>
>
> That's what everyone thought about G. news feed. They drove competitors 
> out of business with their superior offerings. Then they dropped it. News 
> feed services are very light compared to forums.
>
> G. spent millions on Sketchup. Had a Sketchup "Evangelist". Books were 
> written. Lot's of excitement. Sold it overnight to a company that makes 
> fishing equipment.
>
> There's something like 40 or more projects in the Guugle graveyard. Except 
> for search, I don't think the G is really committed to anything.
>

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[tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

ILYA,

I have Bob set up to be multi-user and it would be simple enough to create 
a system that can receive email and then make a tiddler out of it to be 
either directly added or checked by moderators and then added. As part of 
TWederation we made a discussion forum in tiddlywiki which we could extend 
to work with the newer version of Bob.

The problem is that we had 5 or 6 active people working with TWederation 
and only two or there doing development and for Bob no one else has made a 
public server so testing and developing the inter-server components hasn't 
been possible.

One big thing that I want to stress in all of this is we shouldn't go from 
google groups to a solution that is only better than google groups, because 
of the effort involved in the transition we should make sure that we have a 
good option before moving, not just an ok option.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion


On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 8:27:18 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> My general impression is Google feels obligated to it (because of the 
> history of how it took over several other services that, essentially, 
> previously formed a public domain). Obligated, but doing as little as 
> possible to make it easier to use as they can't profit from it.
>
>
That's what everyone thought about G. news feed. They drove competitors out 
of business with their superior offerings. Then they dropped it. News feed 
services are very light compared to forums.

G. spent millions on Sketchup. Had a Sketchup "Evangelist". Books were 
written. Lot's of excitement. Sold it overnight to a company that makes 
fishing equipment.

There's something like 40 or more projects in the Guugle graveyard. Except 
for search, I don't think the G is really committed to anything.

-- Mark

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

ILYA wrote:
>
> It might be crazy idea but would it be possible to use tiddlywiki itself.
>

Its getting closer. Jeremy recently commented something like "we should eat 
our own dogfood". 

I'm not sure about the list being on TW but meaningful Indices to it, 
Example Materials, Plugin "fetching", Peer-to-Peer interaction on specific 
topics is looking much more possible.

Mostly the issue is to get to the point its working well first. The 
connundrum is you can't experiment your way to this using the actual group. 
We need proven ongoing reliability first for any alternate central means of 
communication.

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

2018-10-12 Thread Lost Admin

You mean this? https://www.reddit.com/r/tiddlywiki

I don't know who created it.

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:37:53 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I think the fact that a lot of groups are moving to it is partly an 
> indication that it will stay around for a while.
>
> As far as the pricing, I thought that was just for attachments, but that 
> is a valid concern. Google Groups is free, but Google just announced they 
> are going to close Google Plus, so I don't know what will happen with 
> Google Groups. I'm actually surprised Google Groups is still around. I 
> guess there is always Yammer and Reddit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:57 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Unlike for Yahoo, for GG it would not be able to transfer the 
>>>existing archives. That's a real downside for a route based on 
>>>transitioning. (They write... *"NOTE:* Due to a bug in Google 
>>>Groups, we are unable to transfer the archives for your group.")
>>>
>>>
>> Not that big of a deal since GG would still be there and the problem with 
>> GG is the difficulty of finding things in the archives anyway.
>>
>> What kind of sense can one make of its potential longevity, stability and 
>>> reliability? And what are existing users experiences of it?
>>
>>
>> Exactly. Never heard of this entity before this week. Reliability and 
>> branding do have some relevance.
>>
>> Then again, I'd say there's a 40% chance that GG will disappear in the 
>> next 5 years.
>>
>>  
>>
>>> *Caveat: Maybe with a bit of thought GG better might achieve near the 
>>> same?...*
>>>
>>>
>> Worth investigating.
>>
>> -- Mark
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Re: [tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited

Here we go. Maybe @David will want to check it out:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3478

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On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 1:36:07 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>
> Ah, I'm afraid I had no idea it was not linked. I don't tend to focus on 
> compiling links for tw.com because it's something that many other people 
> in the community can do, and I try to focus on the tasks for which I'm the 
> blocker. I'm travelling today but if someone can submit a PR I'll be happy 
> to merge it.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

2018-10-12 Thread ILYA

It might be crazy idea but would it be possible to use tiddlywiki itself.

When email is received the script would create a new tiddler.

Are the any plugins which implement a forum like solution for tw5?

If it doesn't exist how hard it would be to create? It could be useful in other 
contexts as well. For example my team  often have a need to discuss some 
feature. Multiple proposals can be submitted and discussed at the same time. We 
tried lots of things and couldn't find a good solution:
- forums - doesn't support nested levels
- issue tracker (one big issue) - conversations are interleaved
- issue tracker (an issue per proposal) - it is hard to see the current status 
of the threads
- slack service topics - doesn't persist conversations

Ideal solution would be to see hierarchy of discussions on each topic with 
number of messages (total/day/week) in each subtopic. By clicking on subtopic 
title it would  unfolds in place.

Best regards,
ILYA 

On October 12, 2018 7:36:39 AM PDT, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>I think the fact that a lot of groups are moving to it is partly an
>indication that it will stay around for a while.
>
>As far as the pricing, I thought that was just for attachments, but
>that is
>a valid concern. Google Groups is free, but Google just announced they
>are
>going to close Google Plus, so I don't know what will happen with
>Google
>Groups. I'm actually surprised Google Groups is still around. I guess
>there
>is always Yammer and Reddit.
>
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:57 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter
>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Unlike for Yahoo, for GG it would not be able to transfer the
>>>existing archives. That's a real downside for a route based on
>>>transitioning. (They write... *"NOTE:* Due to a bug in Google
>Groups,
>>>we are unable to transfer the archives for your group.")
>>>
>>>
>> Not that big of a deal since GG would still be there and the problem
>with
>> GG is the difficulty of finding things in the archives anyway.
>>
>> What kind of sense can one make of its potential longevity, stability
>and
>>> reliability? And what are existing users experiences of it?
>>
>>
>> Exactly. Never heard of this entity before this week. Reliability and
>> branding do have some relevance.
>>
>> Then again, I'd say there's a 40% chance that GG will disappear in
>the
>> next 5 years.
>>
>>
>>
>>> *Caveat: Maybe with a bit of thought GG better might achieve near
>the
>>> same?...*
>>>
>>>
>> Worth investigating.
>>
>> -- Mark
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki On A Stick (particularly for iOS)

2018-10-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston

One possibility is to think of the iPhone(s) as being the USB keys: iOS gives 
each app a sandboxed area of storage that is accessible if you plug the device 
into iTunes via USB: you can see the files and drag and drop new files into it. 
From the perspective of the PC, the device pretty much is a USB stick. (Indeed 
I’ve often used my iPhones as a sneakernet file transfer device just like that).

So, an Internet-less strategy for distribution would be that you periodically 
connect each device to your iTunes machine, pull out any changes the user has 
made to the file, and update it with the freshest version.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 12 Oct 2018, at 17:05, David Masterson  wrote:
> 
> The main reason is absolute and easy security.  It is really simple to give 
> my (not too computer savvy) family a USB key to plug into their iPhone when 
> needed to access things like medical records.  It would also be nice if they 
> could, in a controlled manner, update the information on the USB key if they 
> need to (like record that they went to a doctor's appointment and what the 
> results were).  Everything would be neatly stored on the USB key with no 
> chance for a hacker to get to.  I could make daily encrypted backups of the 
> USB key at home as well for safety.
> 
> On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 4:41:54 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
> David,
> 
> Whilst reasons such as this have moved me away from the Apple eco system I 
> believe you may be able to achieve the equivalent by other means. 
> 
> Perhaps you could share the requirements you have that prompted you to choose 
> a USB drive as the way to deliver a TiddlyWiki to the iPhone.
> 
> In many cases tiddlywiki will work offline because its effectively cached in 
> the browser, or can be held on local disk. If you then want to save it or 
> export changes to another location you can do so once on Internet, or 
> LAN/Intranet.
> 
> Personally I like having TiddlyWikis served by Node on my phone, so when on 
> the home wifi I can access it from my desktop, at which point I can make 
> extra backups etc...
> 
> I think this can still be kept simple for users, but if you can voice your 
> goals let us know and we can help.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 11:03:59 AM UTC+11, David Masterson wrote:
> Still looking for information on whether TiddlyWiki can be used on a USB 
> Stick under iOS...
> 
> My use case would be to setup a secure wiki for my family records on a 
> (somewhat) encrypted Wiki that is stored on the USB Stick.  This Wiki would 
> need to be friendly and easy to use for my wife and daughter, so I would 
> expect that it would not be purely read-only.  They might need to take 
> (controlled) notes on the information and create tasks based upon the 
> information that I would setup ways for them to do on the stick.  The stick 
> provides the security that nothing gets out on the Internet unless they want 
> it to.  They might access the stick via their (iOS) telephone or the home 
> Windows computer.  Years ago, classic Tiddlywiki was a *GREAT* option for 
> this as the add-ons provided a lot of nice interfaces for building the wiki 
> and the wiki could save any information needed to the stick.
> 
> Is it still an option with restrictions on saving?
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki On A Stick (particularly for iOS)

2018-10-12 Thread David Masterson

The main reason is absolute and easy security.  It is really simple to give 
my (not too computer savvy) family a USB key to plug into their iPhone when 
needed to access things like medical records.  It would also be nice if 
they could, in a controlled manner, update the information on the USB key 
if they need to (like record that they went to a doctor's appointment and 
what the results were).  Everything would be neatly stored on the USB key 
with no chance for a hacker to get to.  I could make daily encrypted 
backups of the USB key at home as well for safety.

On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 4:41:54 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Whilst reasons such as this have moved me away from the Apple eco system I 
> believe you may be able to achieve the equivalent by other means. 
>
> Perhaps you could share the requirements you have that prompted you to 
> choose a USB drive as the way to deliver a TiddlyWiki to the iPhone.
>
> In many cases tiddlywiki will work offline because its effectively cached 
> in the browser, or can be held on local disk. If you then want to save it 
> or export changes to another location you can do so once on Internet, or 
> LAN/Intranet.
>
> Personally I like having TiddlyWikis served by Node on my phone, so when 
> on the home wifi I can access it from my desktop, at which point I can make 
> extra backups etc...
>
> I think this can still be kept simple for users, but if you can voice your 
> goals let us know and we can help.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 11:03:59 AM UTC+11, David Masterson 
> wrote:
>>
>> Still looking for information on whether TiddlyWiki can be used on a USB 
>> Stick under iOS...
>>
>> My use case would be to setup a secure wiki for my family records on a 
>> (somewhat) encrypted Wiki that is stored on the USB Stick.  This Wiki would 
>> need to be friendly and easy to use for my wife and daughter, so I would 
>> expect that it would not be purely read-only.  They might need to take 
>> (controlled) notes on the information and create tasks based upon the 
>> information that I would setup ways for them to do on the stick.  The stick 
>> provides the security that nothing gets out on the Internet unless they 
>> want it to.  They might access the stick via their (iOS) telephone or the 
>> home Windows computer.  Years ago, classic Tiddlywiki was a *GREAT* option 
>> for this as the add-ons provided a lot of nice interfaces for building the 
>> wiki and the wiki could save any information needed to the stick.
>>
>> Is it still an option with restrictions on saving?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki On A Stick (particularly for iOS)

2018-10-12 Thread David Masterson

Aww.  That's a real shame.  USB keys provide a simple security solution for 
families in that their information is not on the Internet where it can be 
hacked.

On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 7:32:42 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It is an intentional limit on iOS.
>
> iOS doesn't let developers have real access to the underlying filesystem 
> without a lot of trouble and the access you have is very aggressively 
> sandboxed. But you do have access to the built-in media browser which lets 
> you see any video or images on the device or connected storage media.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Create a table template - transclusion?

Tables can add their own class with a line like:

|firstclass secondclass|k

at the start.

If you define classes for each color you will be using, and wrap your table 
using a macro (so you can pass it a class name), then something like this:

\define mytable(colorclass)
|persontable $colorclass$|k
|>| @@display:block;width:23em;''[Tiddler-specific 
title]''@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em; ''Value 1''  @@ 
|@@display:block;width:15em;{{!!value1}}@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 2''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
|^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 3''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;@@ |
\end
<$macrocall $name="mytable" colorclass={{!!tablecolor}}/>

Can be used as a template, where the name of the class is stored in the 
field "tablecolor" (which I suppose should become "tableclass", but oh 
well).

I don't know if there is a way to trigger actions when a tiddler is opened. 
Maybe someone else can answer that.

I would tend to use the technique described here:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#WidgetMessage%3A%20tm-new-tiddler

or here:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionCreateTiddlerWidget

to create the new tiddlers with all fields added.

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On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 12:44:29 AM UTC-7, Rafael Aprato wrote:
>
> Hey Mark,
>
> Thank you for the help! It definitely helped me make some sense of it, and 
> I'm now very close to my ideal result. The values I wanted to input were 
> the ones of the second column, not the first, like so:
>
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 1''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;
> {{!!value1}}@@ |
>
> So now the first column has "Value 1" in bold in every table, and the 
> second one has the value I input in the fields under the tiddler edit. I 
> also managed to make the input bold if I want to, like this:
>
> |^@@display:block;width:6.5em;''Value 1''@@ |@@display:block;width:15em;''
> {{!!value1}}''@@ |
>
> But I still have some issues...forgive me if I pester you for a bit longer.
>
> - Is there a way to add dozens of fields to a new tiddler (with blank 
> values) with a single tag? My tables are pretty big, it would make quite a 
> difference. I've read about the <$button> widget and I guess I could have 
> one in the Home tiddler making it so that it would create a new tiddler 
> with the tags needed, but it's important that new pages are created when 
> clicking in missing links in other tiddlers. I imagine tags are the way to 
> do what I want, but google isn't helping me here.
>
> - Any way to make this work with the cell background color? It would avoid 
> having to create a template for every color I need to use. In my mind, it 
> would work by having this in the template:
>
> |>| @@display:block;width:23em;''{{!!
> tablename}}''@@ |
>
> And then "lightgrey" in a "tablecolor" field in "Person 1", but it doesn't 
> change anything, and the cell comes out with default background color (note 
> that lightgrey is already defined in the Stylesheet). Tried including 
> different parts of the div class in the {{!!}} and writing them in the 
> field, and no deal. Maybe it's possible to link it to the "color" default 
> field, or to a tag?
>
> Thank you for taking time to help me out.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] testing Bob and BobEXE version 1.0.7 prerelease

To try and cover the simplest problem right away, you have to refresh the 
list by clicking the 'Update Plugin List' before the new plugin will show 
up. If that isn't the problem than the next thing to check is to make sure 
that there is a plugin.info file in the saved folder. I don't know why 
there wouldn't be but that is the first thing I can think of to check.

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[tw5] Select Widget and tabs macro: Is this a bug?

2018-10-12 Thread Mohammad

Assume you have some tiddlers used in a *tabs *macro. Among them you have 
the below tiddler uses *select widget. *The select widget here uses a field 
called *fld01*.

Tiddler title: Tida
<$select field='fld01' defualt="aa">
aa
bb
cc


Now assume you have another tiddler called *Tutorial *and you have the 
below code inside it

Tiddler title: Tutorial
<>


The strange thing here is the* select widget* creates a field *fld01 *in 
both tiddlers. I dont understand why tiddler *Tutorial *should have a *fld01 
*field!!
Suggest I use tens of tiddlers in *tabs *macro, and all of them have a 
select widget linked to a field then the *Tutorial *tiddler will have as 
many as those
tiddlers field!!

The attached *json *file reproduces this issue!


*-Mohammad *

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sample-selectwidget-issue.json
Description: application/json

Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

Arlen Beiler wrote:

> Google Groups is free, but Google just announced they are going to close 
> Google Plus, so I don't know what will happen with Google Groups. I'm 
> actually surprised Google Groups is still around.
>

Since Google is a private company its always possible. BUT I think its 
highly unlikely for reasons I explained here: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/xpDmaA5X_5E/ztg3TrhXBgAJ. GG is 
at an entirely different scale than Google Plus. It is truly *vast*.

My general impression is Google feels obligated to it (because of the 
history of how it took over several other services that, essentially, 
previously formed a public domain). Obligated, but doing as little as 
possible to make it easier to use as they can't profit from it.

I guess there IS a question mark. But then, if so, that question mark would 
be upon everything. 
I'm not ready to go to that place yet.

Just thoughts
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

2018-10-12 Thread Mohammad

Alternative solution

Question2Answer is a free and open source platform for Q sites



I think there is an alternative solution. It is to have a dedicated 
platform for question and answer!
One solution is to use the free platform *Question2Answer 
*(https://www.question2answer.org/) 
and 
setup it on* tiddlywiki.com * with an address like *qa.tiddliwiki.com *or 
*forum.tiddlywiki.com*


It will be under the control of domain admin (like Jeremy or other admins) 
and have many features requested here!
Easy to setup, choose the best answer, rank answer (+/-), rank responders , 
spam control, setup categories like basics, plugins, developers, ...


Take a look and 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

2018-10-12 Thread Arlen Beiler

I think the fact that a lot of groups are moving to it is partly an
indication that it will stay around for a while.

As far as the pricing, I thought that was just for attachments, but that is
a valid concern. Google Groups is free, but Google just announced they are
going to close Google Plus, so I don't know what will happen with Google
Groups. I'm actually surprised Google Groups is still around. I guess there
is always Yammer and Reddit.



On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:57 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Unlike for Yahoo, for GG it would not be able to transfer the
>>existing archives. That's a real downside for a route based on
>>transitioning. (They write... *"NOTE:* Due to a bug in Google Groups,
>>we are unable to transfer the archives for your group.")
>>
>>
> Not that big of a deal since GG would still be there and the problem with
> GG is the difficulty of finding things in the archives anyway.
>
> What kind of sense can one make of its potential longevity, stability and
>> reliability? And what are existing users experiences of it?
>
>
> Exactly. Never heard of this entity before this week. Reliability and
> branding do have some relevance.
>
> Then again, I'd say there's a 40% chance that GG will disappear in the
> next 5 years.
>
>
>
>> *Caveat: Maybe with a bit of thought GG better might achieve near the
>> same?...*
>>
>>
> Worth investigating.
>
> -- Mark
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] testing Bob and BobEXE version 1.0.7 prerelease

2018-10-12 Thread Matthew Lauber

When I replaced that code with what I think should be there (the name of 
the plugin tiddler starting with $:/) I was able to write the files to the 
FS, but they're still not showing up in the available plugin list.  I'm not 
sure exactly why not, I need to download the source version of Bob so I can 
debug that side of it.  

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 8:36:45 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
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> Oh, yes. It looks like I left in my testing code. I will hopefully have 
> time to fix it when I get home tonight. Thank you for pointing that out.
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[tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion



On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
>- Unlike for Yahoo, for GG it would not be able to transfer the 
>existing archives. That's a real downside for a route based on 
>transitioning. (They write... *"NOTE:* Due to a bug in Google Groups, 
>we are unable to transfer the archives for your group.")
>
>
Not that big of a deal since GG would still be there and the problem with 
GG is the difficulty of finding things in the archives anyway.

What kind of sense can one make of its potential longevity, stability and 
> reliability? And what are existing users experiences of it?


Exactly. Never heard of this entity before this week. Reliability and 
branding do have some relevance.

Then again, I'd say there's a 40% chance that GG will disappear in the next 
5 years.

 

> *Caveat: Maybe with a bit of thought GG better might achieve near the 
> same?...*
>
>
Worth investigating.

-- Mark
 

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Re: [tw5] TW5 able to trigger/run bash script yet?

2018-10-12 Thread TonyM

Dave,

As even file based tiddlywiki can export files such as tid and json file you 
can have what I call a sentenial running on the host monitoring files that 
appear that meet a predifined filename then process that file which may contain 
bash scripts or in my working example windows command files which are then 
executed. 

As you say bob offers something similar to execute host commands.

Thus it is not imposible only a little convoluted. 

By the way if you look closely the way timimi plugin and related software 
works, I believe it will be posible to build some host execution or commands 
eventualy. Of course you want some security built in to stop a website or 
browser hack from command execution or you will be "owned".

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] testing Bob and BobEXE version 1.0.7 prerelease

Oh, yes. It looks like I left in my testing code. I will hopefully have 
time to fix it when I get home tonight. Thank you for pointing that out.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] testing Bob and BobEXE version 1.0.7 prerelease

2018-10-12 Thread Matthew Lauber

In the version of BoxLinux I downloaded (1.0.7), I ran into what I think is 
a typo.  In the file $:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/SelectPlugins the following 
code appears to have the katex plugin hardcoded.  

<$button>
  Save Plugin As Folder
  <$action-websocketmessage
$type='savePluginFolder'
plugin='$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex'
  />





On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:34:28 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> This update is focused on improving the fetching interface and the plugin 
> server functionality.
>
> You can now add plugins to the plugin library from inside the wiki and you 
> can use any plugins that are available in the plugin library in any of the 
> served wikis. You can drag and drop a plugin into a wiki and then use the 
> interface in the control panel to save the plugin on the server. Then in 
> the control panel you can select which plugins you want to include in the 
> wiki.
>
> Both features work but I haven't had a chance to thoroughly test them or 
> to figure out what would be a good interface. Which is why we have the 
> prerelease version here.
>
> I am sure that as soon as anyone else touches it there will be many bugs 
> that need to be fixed so have at it.
>
> Some more documentation about the plugin library features is here:
>
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/blob/master/Documentation/Plugin%20Library.tid
>
> Documentation about the individual components is in the documentation 
> included with Bob.
>
> The plugin version is available here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The BobEXE version is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases/tag/1.0.7
>
> !! Version 1.0.7 (ongoing)
>
> - Add `savePluginFolder` web socket message to save packaged plugins as 
> folders
> on a server. These plugins can then be available to other served wikis and 
> in
> the plugin library, if it is enabled.
> - Add the `import` borwser message handler to make fetching nicer
> - Add options for how to handle conflicts for `internalFetch`
> - `internalFetch` now displays a list of imported tiddlers
> - Added a way to change which plugins a wiki uses from inside the wiki
> - Added an interface to save plugins to the server and to select which 
> plugins
> from the server should be used in the current wiki
>

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[tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

Arlen Beiler wondered ...

> Another software community much like TiddlyWiki has been using Yahoo
> Groups for years. Just a few weeks ago they finally moved to groups.io...

> Perhaps it has what we need. I thought the hashtag feature was especially
> interesting.

Ciao Arlen

Very interesting. I have a few comments after looking at a few groups it
serves.

*Upsides...*

- They seem to take seriously the fundamental issue of transitioning
very large user groups ... https://groups.io/static/googletransfer
- It could be an "evolution" in that its in some ways similar to GG
(integrating both fora and email), rather than a complete break in method
that other routes could involve. I think that is good for continuity.
- Whether, in practice, the transition could work out that well I'd need
know more. I couldn't get fully clear on that from what I was able to look
at.
- It has a degree of integration with other systems (e.g. "Github - Post
to your group whenever code is committed to a repository.")
- Sections for files; chatrooms; subgroups, a wiki etc.

*Downsides...*

- Unlike for Yahoo, for GG it would not be able to transfer the existing
archives. That's a real downside for a route based on transitioning. (They
write... *"NOTE:* Due to a bug in Google Groups, we are unable to
transfer the archives for your group.")

*Things to know more clearly...*

- What would the longer-term costs potentially be?
https://groups.io/static/pricing
- What kind of sense can one make of its potential longevity, stability
and reliability? And what are existing users experiences of it?

*Caveat: Maybe with a bit of thought GG better might achieve near the
same?...*

Arlen: I thought the hashtag feature was especially interesting.
>

- I'm not sure that folk in our GG group realise that Google does
support a basic (if somewhat crude) tagging system already; as well as a
category system. https://support.google.com/groups/answer/2645570?hl=en
- The issue is someone needs to maintain it for it to be viable. That
implies a, or a few, moderators to develop & maintain it. That issue would
apply in a transitioned system too.
- *PS: I'm unclear if or how GG tagging could or would work for email
posters.*

Overall my sense is its interesting and deserves a closer look at the
details and how they work in practice.

Just initial thoughts

Josiah

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Re: [tw5] TW5 able to trigger/run bash script yet?

2018-10-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Dave

> So that's a "no" for executing a script from a regular vanilla TW?

No, browsers do not allow JavaScript to interact with the system to launch 
processes because of security concerns, and it’s inconceivable that they would 
add the ability. The only general purpose approach that is supported by 
browsers is to have the script running on the server.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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> "emitting tiddlers" <-- sounds dangerous, ha ha
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