[tw5] Re: D&D 5e SRD Plugins

[barrowgloom]

> Please absolutely use my plugins.  That's why I'm publishing them, and why 
> I'm trying to build such a large library of them.  The random name 
> generator include the shuffle filter from another of my plugins, so if you 
> have another list of things you'd want to randomize, feel free to take a 
> look at how I'm using it, and the documentation here: 
> https://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/#Shuffle%20Operator
>
>
Nice, that I could use for Looking Glass-- a browser based RP adventure 
presentation (presenting DM adventure content to players in an online role 
playing environment).  Some screenshots of it before it melted down - 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/lnpDr2z2Jc0/IvaCZQB3BgAJ

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Re: [tw5] Re: Oh my stars and count filters

[barrowgloom]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 11:15:36 PM UTC-5, Riz wrote:
>
> Thnaks. Good work once again.
>
>
Thank you very kindly : )

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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

 Point #3 is obviously true. But once you have a feature ... it sure is 
hard to let it go ;

I don't understand Point #4. You can still use TW in a tab, even if it's 
being served up by node. Having it served up in node means that you can 
have it served up not just in your browser, you can have it served up in 
more than one browser (like FF and Chrome at the same time) and even on 
other devices (assuming you're not in a dangerous coffee-shop scenario).

It seems likely that TW is as future-proof as anything else. Will people 
even be using web browsers in 25 years? Who knows? There seems to be a 
strong movement away from desktop style technologies and toward 
application-based mobile technologies. Time will tell.

-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: Oh my stars and count filters

[barrowgloom]

I use the characters @, #, * as prefixes to distinguish category and 
utility tiddler titles and tags from content item tiddler titles and their 
tags 

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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

[barrowgloom]

All difficult questions, but like you, I like browser based aspect, so I 
say go with TW till you find *Ash durbatulûk* (BlackSpeech for one to rule 
them all, also the name of one of my TW's).  Jeremy created something I was 
trying with frames so TW serves me well but I'm used to modding things to 
fit my purposes but I can understand people not wanting to take time away 
from their creative pursuits to do so.  It's hard to find software tailored 
to everyone's unique needs or to provide everything desired.

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[tw5] I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

[Suzanne McHale]

   
   - Still seems to be no way to generate single static pages for each 
   Tiddly aside from the convoluted Node.js method via the command line (see 
   my posts at 
   
https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!searchin/tiddlywiki/Suzanne$20McHale%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/vTqF5EEHJE0/N6lcK2W6BAAJ
 
   
)
 
   – that is not a beginner-friendly method!
   - Javascript-based tag pills do not work in exported static HTML page.
   - "Feature creep" – TW is getting more and more features added to it, 
   which is adding to the basic file size.
   - I want to use TW as simply as possible, in its original intent – as a 
   browser-based program. I have my browser open all the time when on my PC, 
   and it is very convenient to switch a tab to my TW, rather than the other 
   methods of using it via a server, or a stand-alone program such as 
   Tiddlydesktop. Will TW be able to be used like this into the future?
   - Is TW still future-proof (as much as a program can be)?

Despite my trepidations, I still like the program and want to be able to 
use it (have to admit that I spend a bit of time "playing" with it!). I 
still have not found the "one program to rule them all" when it comes to 
writing and recording my data and creative work, but TW has a lot of 
elements I like. (Dokuwiki is another wiki I like, but it is more complex 
and requires a server to function.)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Oh my stars and count filters

[Rizwan Ishak]

Thnaks. Good work once again.

Sincerely,
Dr. Rizwan Ishak

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[tw5] Re: Oh my stars and count filters

[Matthew Lauber]

Is your tag named "***Area" or is that some kind of wildcard tool you've 
found/built there?

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 6:23:51 AM UTC-5, barro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> [image: countfilter.jpg]
>
> All the count filters-- aren't they beautiful :)
>
> Basically a master auto tallying count sheet of many different things of 
> the project and wiki (category, subjects, items) in one place.
>
> An example of one of the count filter segments:
>
> <$count filter="[tag[*Area]]"/> class="ragsspandottednumb"><$count 
> filter="[tag[*Area]workstatus[complete]]"/> Geo Areas
>
> The spans (styled in a stylesheet tiddler) give the borders (double, 
> single, dashed, dotted) to the numbers.  First count filter gives the total 
> of a particular category or subject set by tags (some counts are by other 
> than tags, examples given below), and the second number by reading the 
> "work status" field that those tiddlers have.
>
> Other things other than tags are counted like tiddlers having certain 
> fields or entries in data dictionary (called datasets on the sheet). Since 
> they use filters, the possibilities are many. Count filters for them are 
> like below
>
> fields - <$count filter="[tag[*transportation]field:shopdirectory2[ 
> (taxi)]]"/>
>
> data dictionary entries - <$count filter="[[#alchemical compound 
> dataset]indexes[all]]"/>
>

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[tw5] Re: D&D 5e SRD Plugins

[Matthew Lauber]

Please absolutely use my plugins.  That's why I'm publishing them, and why 
I'm trying to build such a large library of them.  The random name 
generator include the shuffle filter from another of my plugins, so if you 
have another list of things you'd want to randomize, feel free to take a 
look at how I'm using it, and the documentation 
here: https://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/#Shuffle%20Operator

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 8:03:23 PM UTC-5, barro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I've created a new plugin for DMs.  Similar to the site 
>> fantasynamegnerators.com, this plugin will generate random NPC names.  
>> It also creates the names as links you can click to quickly add NPCs.  
>
>
> Most excellent-- you're going to keep me busy studying your work : )  You 
> don't mind your work being incorporated into other wiki's as plug-ins? 
> (Credit and links to creators' site/TW's is always given).  My TW edition 
> is slated more toward world building for video game development which isn't 
> much differemnt than for table top games just with video game specific 
> expansions.  The count filters topic I posted shows a auto updating master 
> tally sheet for the entire wiki.
>

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[tw5] Re: Oh my stars and count filters

[barrowgloom]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 8:53:59 AM UTC-5, Riz wrote:
>
> It is pleasing. Love your stylesheet. Care to share?


Certainly : ) it's simple enough to paste here.  On note though, the 
colors/theme you see in my screenshot is deceiving.  I'm using the basic 
Vanilla tW theme but my system is set up with Windows high contrast 
inverted which reverses all the Vanilla colors. 

The tiddler is mainly Vanilla with a TW styled table-- each count section 
in a cell.

The CSS (which is in a general stylesheet tagged tiddler to work throughout 
the wiki) for the bordered numbers:
*(you can change the "rags" prefix of the class to what you may prefer)

/* span bordered small bold numbers text*/
.ragsspannumb {border:solid 1px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 4px; 
font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;}
.ragsspanboldnumb {border:solid 2px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 
4px; font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;}
.ragsspandoublenumb {border:double 3px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 
4px; font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;}
.ragsspandottednumb {border:dotted 1px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 
4px; font-size: smaller;}
.ragsspandashednumb {border:dashed 1px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 
4px; font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;}

for bordered text spans without the reduced font:

/* span bordered normal text */ 
.ragsspan {border:solid 1px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 4px;} 
.ragsspanbold {border:solid 2px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 4px;} 
.ragsspandouble {border:double 3px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 
4px;} 
.ragsspandotted {border:dotted 1px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 
4px;} 
.ragsspandashed {border:dashed 1px; border-radius:4px; padding:0px 4px 0px 
4px;} 


and the tiddler code (repeated from post above)


<$count filter="[tag[*Area]]"/>

<$count 
filter="[tag[*Area]workstatus[complete]]"/> Geo Areas


 

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[tw5] Re: D&D 5e SRD Plugins

[barrowgloom]

>
> I've created a new plugin for DMs.  Similar to the site 
> fantasynamegnerators.com, this plugin will generate random NPC names.  It 
> also creates the names as links you can click to quickly add NPCs.  


Most excellent-- you're going to keep me busy studying your work : )  You 
don't mind your work being incorporated into other wiki's as plug-ins? 
(Credit and links to creators' site/TW's is always given).  My TW edition 
is slated more toward world building for video game development which isn't 
much differemnt than for table top games just with video game specific 
expansions.  The count filters topic I posted shows a auto updating master 
tally sheet for the entire wiki.

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[tw5] Re: Undocumented IF-THEN-ELSE macro

[barrowgloom]

Tony

I can emphamize-- they extended my sight for another couple years.  Are you 
active over in the Doc Group?  You best be, since you're so active with 
TW.  I'm gonna present my Guide and Help documentation you saw during the 
late Summer.

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[tw5] Re: Undocumented IF-THEN-ELSE macro

[TonyM]

Barro,

Me too, 2 inter ocular lenses, (For cataracts) and recently to fix a 
detached retina. Marvellous how what used to result in blindness can now be 
fixed.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 19 January 2019 22:35:27 UTC+11, barro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 12:54:28 AM UTC-5, S. S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> My post above was asking for suggestions to improve a help file that's 
>> meant to make it easier for a new contributor to submit to TiddlyWiki's 
>> GitHub area.
>> But just posting a write up into TiddlywikiDocs google groups 
>>   means 
>> 75% of the work is done! After that it's easy for someone to pick it up and 
>> submit it.
>>
>>
> You got me with your bait : )  I do have a simple suggestion for 
> documentation in general and if posting in the doc Group is aldo good-- 
> because setting up a Github account was dwelaying me because I haven't had 
> the time to do it.  B ut going to the doc Group wouldn't require any extra 
> effort though its on my endless list of what I should really do, so don't 
> expect me too soon-- sorry : )
>
> I actually had a really good excuse-- eye surgeries on both eyes and now 
> nearly 4 months without glasses to use.
>

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[tw5] Re: Don't You Think We Should Get Our Act Together???

[TonyM]

Riz,

Can you explain how I would see via category etc... I am not a Reddit user 
yet.

On Sunday, 20 January 2019 01:14:26 UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> if we defined custom post types for these objects, wikis, editions, 
>> plugins, macros, sites, demos  we could enter each once, but reference 
>> them in each other without repetition.
>>
>
>
>
> We actually accomplished this over at reddit. Most announcements are 
> reported there with relevant links and tagged with category. You can click 
> on a category and see all posts tagged by the same.
>
>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5
> I have been absent from the reddit side for some time. But the community 
> there is growing (460) strong now and I am seeing aside little more time 
> now that I don't have a major TW related project to work on.
>
> Sincerely
> Riz
>

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[tw5] Re: A beginners question about nested macros

[TonyM]

Joe,

Using Mohamads suggestion of using macrocall is one way to pass a value to 
a macro when that value comes from another macro or variable. It is however 
possible to reference the value in <> without putting it in the 
parameters as $(text)$ (inside the macro)

\define foo()
fooStart $(text)$ fooStop
\end

As long as you have set <> this will work.

There are ways to test if text is set and provide a default value if it is 
not as well.

Regards
Tony


On Sunday, 20 January 2019 06:59:55 UTC+11, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> I have two macros 
>
> \define text()
> A line of text
> \end
>
> \define foo(x)
> fooStart $x$ fooStop
> \end
>
> So
>
> <> is replaced by  "A line of text"
>
> and 
>
> <> is replaced by "Start abc fooStop"
>
> But <> >>
>
> is replaced by "fooStart <>"
>
> And NOT "fooStart A line of text fooStop" as I had expected.
>
> After a lot of head scratching I realised that this means that the 
> argument (x) to foo is the
> string "<>" to the left
> of the start "<<" of the macro and not the second occurrence. 
>
> ie. "<<" and ">>" do not properly nest as I had expected.
>
> This seems like a pretty big pothole for a beginner to fall into ...
>
> So what is the accepted idiom for using a macro result
> as the input argument to another macro - how does one chain macro calls 
> together?
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>

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[tw5] Re: General Form for a Macro Repeating Macro?

[TonyM]

Tiddly Novice,

May I respectfully suggest no need to resort to java script in most cases, 
because tiddlywiki does this nativity in Widgets and filters. If you do 
build things in javascrip that do things tiddlywiki does not currently do, 
please share with the community.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, 20 January 2019 08:43:33 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>
> Mostly what I was trying for was just a general purpose repeater. Sort of 
> like a For Loop from Java or Basic, except for Wikitext instead. Of course, 
> since TiddlyWiki can just use a javascript to loop things as needed, I 
> guess the best option for me right now is to just use javascript when I 
> need stuff like that. Anyway, I've figured out what I needed to do for this 
> part of my self-imposed training assignment so I can get to the next part. 
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: Railroad Diagram plugin

[TonyM]

My last Post edited to 
include 
https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=R__-lKgsGMWylDEUAGhbJZ_X

On Sunday, 20 January 2019 10:48:59 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> Given the nature of railroad diagrams as Thomas and Mario say, it may not 
> illustrate what you want, however there are a number of visualisations 
> available in tiddly-wiki. Also if you have something that is available in 
> CSS you can include it at tag the tiddler $:/tags/Stylesheet 
>  
> save 
> and reload and you can use the CSS.
>
> See here 
>  
> for some of these, I expect you may find something suitable, also look as 
> tiddlymap to more sophisticated ones
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, 20 January 2019 08:00:30 UTC+11, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Has anyone played with the railroad plugin very much yet? I've spent a 
>> couple of hours on learning it today and so far so good. One thing I'm 
>> wondering it can it do two branches on the left combining into one on the 
>> right. Hopefully, the stuff below will illustrate what I mean.
>>
>> So here one diagram I generated:
>>
>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>
>> What I haven't been able to figure out is how to do something like this:
>>
>> --start1---|
>>|nextend---
>> --start2---|
>>
>> Is it possible with the current plugin?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Railroad Diagram plugin

[TonyM]

Damon,

Given the nature of railroad diagrams as Thomas and Mario say, it may not 
illustrate what you want, however there are a number of visualisations 
available in tiddly-wiki. Also if you have something that is available in 
CSS you can include it at tag the tiddler $:/tags/Stylesheet 
 
save 
and reload and you can use the CSS.

See here for some of these, I expect you may find something suitable, also 
look as tiddlymap to more sophisticated ones

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, 20 January 2019 08:00:30 UTC+11, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Has anyone played with the railroad plugin very much yet? I've spent a 
> couple of hours on learning it today and so far so good. One thing I'm 
> wondering it can it do two branches on the left combining into one on the 
> right. Hopefully, the stuff below will illustrate what I mean.
>
> So here one diagram I generated:
>
> [image: Capture.PNG]
>
> What I haven't been able to figure out is how to do something like this:
>
> --start1---|
>|nextend---
> --start2---|
>
> Is it possible with the current plugin?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Re: Railroad Diagram plugin

[PMario]

Hi, 

IMO 

<$railroad text=""" ( start-1 | start-2 | start-3 )  next end """/>

should do it, but it looks a bit different. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Railroad Diagram plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

Hi Thomas,

Generally I would agree, but there are instances where a branch line goes 
off and ends such that there would be two ends of the line. For example, 
you start at station A, but you have the option to go to station B or C, 
but you wouldn't go through B to get to C and vice versa. That's the idea 
I'm trying to get to.

Cheers,

Damon


On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 3:10:53 PM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Damon,
>
> If I remember correct – I searched for it myself some time ago –, this is 
> not possible and not the idea of railroad diagrams. The reason seems to be 
> someting like: The diagram shows the way from (railway) station A to 
> station B. And you can’t start at C if you are at A ...
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
> What I haven't been able to figure out is how to do something like this:
>>
>> --start1---|
>>|nextend---
>> --start2---|
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: D&D 5e SRD Plugins

[Matthew Lauber]

I've created a new plugin for DMs.  Similar to the site 
fantasynamegnerators.com, this plugin will generate random NPC names.  It 
also creates the names as links you can click to quickly add NPCs.  

It's available 
here:  
https://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FDMTools%2FNPCNameGenerator%2Freadme


On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:00:20 PM UTC-5, Matthew Lauber wrote:
>
> All, 
>
> A discussion came up about using tiddlywiki for managing D&D and similar 
> table top games.  I realized I've created/collected a variety of tools for 
> D&D 5e, and I should probably share them.  Attached is a tiddlywiki with a 
> few plugins.  The first, D&D Creature Manager adds rendering of monster 
> stat blocks in html format.  The other two contain the 5e SRD monsters and 
> spells.  I wanted to share these in hopes of seeing what people come up 
> with for RPGs.  My dream is to publish an entire D& module as a TW with 
> encounters, NPCs, maps, and the like all included.  
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>

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[tw5] Re: Railroad Diagram plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Damon,

If I remember correct – I searched for it myself some time ago –, this is 
not possible and not the idea of railroad diagrams. The reason seems to be 
someting like: The diagram shows the way from (railway) station A to 
station B. And you can’t start at C if you are at A ...

All the best,
Thomas

What I haven't been able to figure out is how to do something like this:
>
> --start1---|
>|nextend---
> --start2---|
>

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[tw5] Re: General Form for a Macro Repeating Macro?

[Tiddly Novice]

Mostly what I was trying for was just a general purpose repeater. Sort of 
like a For Loop from Java or Basic, except for Wikitext instead. Of course, 
since TiddlyWiki can just use a javascript to loop things as needed, I 
guess the best option for me right now is to just use javascript when I 
need stuff like that. Anyway, I've figured out what I needed to do for this 
part of my self-imposed training assignment so I can get to the next part. 
Thanks.

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[tw5] Railroad Diagram plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

Hi folks,

Has anyone played with the railroad plugin very much yet? I've spent a 
couple of hours on learning it today and so far so good. One thing I'm 
wondering it can it do two branches on the left combining into one on the 
right. Hopefully, the stuff below will illustrate what I mean.

So here one diagram I generated:

[image: Capture.PNG]

What I haven't been able to figure out is how to do something like this:

--start1---|
   |nextend---
--start2---|

Is it possible with the current plugin?

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: A beginners question about nested macros

[Mohammad]

Use it as below.

<$macrocall $name=foo x=<> /> 


But this is not nested macro! By nesting it means a macro inside another 
macro as internal macro.
Seems this not possible in Tiddlywiki.


Not directly related but useful

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Nestetd%20Macro%20-%20Passing%20Variable

--Mohammad



On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 11:29:55 PM UTC+3:30, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> I have two macros 
>
> \define text()
> A line of text
> \end
>
> \define foo(x)
> fooStart $x$ fooStop
> \end
>
> So
>
> <> is replaced by  "A line of text"
>
> and 
>
> <> is replaced by "Start abc fooStop"
>
> But <> >>
>
> is replaced by "fooStart <>"
>
> And NOT "fooStart A line of text fooStop" as I had expected.
>
> After a lot of head scratching I realised that this means that the 
> argument (x) to foo is the
> string "<>" to the left
> of the start "<<" of the macro and not the second occurrence. 
>
> ie. "<<" and ">>" do not properly nest as I had expected.
>
> This seems like a pretty big pothole for a beginner to fall into ...
>
> So what is the accepted idiom for using a macro result
> as the input argument to another macro - how does one chain macro calls 
> together?
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>

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[tw5] Re: So overwhelmed...node.js on a godaddy shared hosting site?

[Jennifer Pritchard]

Ok, so I'm pretty sure this on the right track, except...

(right now, I'm totally ignoring the permissions issue.  I just want to get 
it running, period, and I'll worry about the rest later.  I'm also not 
going to worry about Bob until I get this first part nailed down)

When I follow all the standard instructions to install node.js itself, it 
creates all the node related info in a folder called .nvm.  This means that 
all the tiddlywiki related files are automatically under 
/home/myusername/.nvm/versions/node/v10.15.0/lib/node_modules/tiddlywiki

So running (from putty) "tiddlywiki folderwhereiwanttokeepmyTW --init 
server" creates a folder by that name under /home/myusername/public_html 
(here's something I have control over, since it'll just create the folder 
wherever I happen to have cd'ed in at the moment) and it has just 1 file in 
it (tiddlywiki.info) and 1 tiddlers folder with a storylist.tid in it.  

Next, I run the "tiddlywiki folderwhereiwanttokeepmyTW --listen port=3000"  
(that's another thing, I figured out that godaddy wants everything to 
listen on port 3000.  This requires that I put a .htaccess file in 
/home/myusername with a "RewriteEngine on" and "RewriteRule (.*) 
http://localhost:3000/$1 [P,L]" in it).  It spits out confirmation that 
it's serving correctly on port 3000...but then I go to view it and I just 
get a 404 page.  Interestingly enough, when I kill the session, the page 
changes to a "server is temporarily unavailable to service your request" 
message, so it's like *something* is happening *somewhere*.

To take a step back a bit, I installed the standard app.js test script to 
my public_html file, ran it using "node app.js", and it worked as expected.

What in the world am I missing?



On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 2:29:15 AM UTC-8, Jack Baty wrote:
>
> Jennifer,
>
> I'm running 5.1.19 on a server. Here's an example startup command that 
> works for me.
>
> /usr/local/bin/tiddlywiki /home/jbaty/apps/wiki/batywiki --listen 
> "readers=(anon)" writers=jack username=notmyusername 
> password=thisisnotmyrealpassword
>
>
> That by default runs on port 8080 on the localhost only, so you probably 
> want to put a "real" web server in front of it. I use nginx as a proxy, but 
> GoDaddy may use Apache. Either way, on a shared host it might be 
> challenging to set this all up. I have a few notes here: 
> https://rudimentarylathe.org/#Rudimentarylathe.org%20tech%20notes
>
> Tony's suggestion would be easier, and without all the node 
> businessedit your wiki locally with Firefox/Timimi or TiddlyDesktop 
> then upload a copy to a web folder on the server. This sounds like it might 
> be a better option for you.
>
> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 12:56:27 AM UTC-5, Jennifer Pritchard 
> wrote:
>>
>> So I've gone down a rabbit hole for the past few days, and I'm going to 
>> back up first and say where I *want* to get, then maybe you all can help me 
>> see if this is even the route to take at all.
>>
>> I use godaddy for webhosting and I'd like to somehow install a tiddlywiki 
>> instance there.  I want it to be public read access, but only I should be 
>> able to edit it (ideally some day, maybe I'd want a handful of authorized 
>> users edit it with me, but that's way down the road).  I've dug around 
>> and installed node.js on my account, and although I've followed the steps 
>> for installing TW there, I get lost at the "listen" command part because 
>> I'm not sure where exactly it's installed the page.  (I'm doing all the 
>> commands via putty into the godaddy account, btw).  I feel like I've 
>> greatly lost the plot.
>>
>> So I've read about the "Bob" TW thing, and that seems like it would fit 
>> the bill as far as a multi-user tool using node...but by looking at the 
>> installation instructions, I'd just be twisting myself up into knots even 
>> further.
>>
>> Am I just SOL using godaddy for this?
>>
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[tw5] A beginners question about nested macros

[Joe Armstrong]

I have two macros 

\define text()
A line of text
\end

\define foo(x)
fooStart $x$ fooStop
\end

So

<> is replaced by  "A line of text"

and 

<> is replaced by "Start abc fooStop"

But <> >>

is replaced by "fooStart <>"

And NOT "fooStart A line of text fooStop" as I had expected.

After a lot of head scratching I realised that this means that the argument 
(x) to foo is the
string "<>" to the left
of the start "<<" of the macro and not the second occurrence. 

ie. "<<" and ">>" do not properly nest as I had expected.

This seems like a pretty big pothole for a beginner to fall into ...

So what is the accepted idiom for using a macro result
as the input argument to another macro - how does one chain macro calls 
together?

Cheers

/Joe

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[tw5] TW5 BobExe number of database

[stefan infp]

Using BobExe what is the size of the database that still can be managed 
without problems? I don't want to embed media in the TW. I want to use 
media via external links. How many tiddlers do you have in TW5 Bobexe 
installation?

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

[HansWobbe]

Indeed a nice piece of work.  Thabks for sharing, Mohammad.  Regards ~Hans

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

[Mohammad]

You are welcome Mario.

I hope I can document those solution in the group I understand.
I see many great solutions were buried in this forum and I hope
I can collect and publish in TW-Scripts.

I hope superuser, expert people have a look and let me know where the 
solutions can be improved or there is better solution.

I think TW-Scripts can play role in TW community as a learn through 
examples resource.


Best wishes
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

[Mohammad]

Many thanks Barro,
 I will note to catch such external contents.

Cheers
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: New plugin: Locator: Discover and search by context (tags)

[Brian Theado]

Bimlas,

Nice work and it looks very useful! Two thoughts I had while playing with
the demo:


   1. "Filter the list by the tag" - This button I kept trying to click on
   it as a toggle. IOW when it was faded, I click on it and it applies the tag
   as a filter and the icon turns dark and moves above the separator line. In
   that state, I kept wanting to click on the darkened icon in order to
   disable the tag filter and move it back down below the separator line. I
   found I could click the bottom item in the breadcrumb to get the same
   effect, but I think it would be helpful to be able to remove the tag filter
   both ways.
   2. Clicking the tag pill navigates to that tiddler. This is different,
   more limited behavior compared to clicking a standard TW tag pill. The
   standard behavior of the tag pill is to display a popup list of tiddlers
   links with the tag itself as the first link and the tagged tiddlers as the
   remaining links. By keeping this standard behavior, the user can still get
   the same behavior you implemented by clicking the first link in the popup.
   In addition, it lets the user see all the tiddlers containing that tag.
   That helps the user see which of the items in the locator display have the
   tag and also see which items not in the locator display have the tag.

Brian

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 8:04 AM bimlas  wrote:

> Great, I just forgot to add the link to the demo itself... (-_-')
>
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator
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[tw5] Re: Don't You Think We Should Get Our Act Together???

[Riz]

>
> if we defined custom post types for these objects, wikis, editions, 
> plugins, macros, sites, demos  we could enter each once, but reference 
> them in each other without repetition.
>



We actually accomplished this over at reddit. Most announcements are 
reported there with relevant links and tagged with category. You can click 
on a category and see all posts tagged by the same.


http://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5
I have been absent from the reddit side for some time. But the community 
there is growing (460) strong now and I am seeing aside little more time 
now that I don't have a major TW related project to work on.

Sincerely
Riz

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[tw5] Oh my stars and count filters

[Riz]

It is pleasing. Love your stylesheet. Care to share?

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[tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- Do you use Telegram?

[PLATO]

Telegram   Tiddlywiki Group 
:https://t.me/Tiddlywikier

在 2019年1月11日星期五 UTC+8下午9:34:15，@TiddlyTweeter写道：
>
> I'm thinking that the pretty good #Twitter for #Tiddlywiki, @Tiddlywiki 
>  and @Jermolene 
>  could be matched by a Telegram 
>  channel.
>
> I'm interested if any Telegram users here feel the same?
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
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[tw5] Re: General Form for a Macro Repeating Macro?

[TonyM]

Thomas et al

We now have the range operator as well.

List is to me the key to tiddlywiki because through it and filters its all 
about sets, sets of tiddlers, tags, fields or any other list. 

It is for all or for each we use list to repeat anything macro or otherwise.

Regards
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

[Watt]

I had another look Thomas, and your explanations helped, but you need many more 
explanatory signposts up on the site. I really like the complex functionality 
you are working towards. It is a complicated beast though, a bit like a 
powerful sports car with all the engine and mechanics on the outside and the 
sleek, polished bodywork hidden underneath. It may not be ready for the luxury 
showroom yet but when the mechanics are tuned and hidden away Reader/Writer 
could be a classic vehicle.

I'm using a phone to look at it so that makes navigation harder. If I sound 
negative it's because I'm trying to drive this baby manually, with one thumb 
and one eye on the road. You need more 'driverless' options on it! 

The short version for Reader; I want kindle style interaction, but with 
super-charged annotation/clipping options and easy import. 

The over long version;

I'm going to go Marie Kondo on your visuals Thomas. They don't spark joy. First 
up is the landing screen. Where is it? I'm an idiot and a phone zombie, so when 
I open an app (I'm calling it an app) I need to see a blank screen with 2, 
maybe 3 buttons. That's all I can handle. 

On this app I'd like the buttons to be 'Reader', 'Writer', 'Settings'. I don't 
want to see a sidebar, obscure tabs or any TW mechanics buttons, I don't want 
to know about config options (yet). I'd prefer not to have any text, just icons.
 
The reader mode icon that you have at the moment doesn't say 'Read' to me 
Thomas. Here's an alternative from the Noun Project on WikiMedia https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg";>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg/512px-Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg.png";>
 (I hope that link works on GGs).

You don't have a Writer icon yet, but you need one. Here's an e.g. from the 
same source https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg";>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg/512px-Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg.png";>

imo, on startup these 2 (or similar) should be all I can see, plus a Settings 
Cog icon. No sidebar, no title - nothing. If I want to know what the app does I 
go to Setttings, then 'About'. 

Marie Kondo is very big on boxes. She says every object should have a home, use 
smaller, open top boxes within larger containers to categorise objects by size 
or function and fold/store everything in a way that allows it to be seen once 
the biggest container is opened. 

'Reader', 'Writer', 'Settings' are your 3 top level containers. Everything else 
should fold away in progressively smaller boxes beneath them. You use MyStory 
as a box label. I think you need to change that everywhere to 'Writer'.

You know how Marie Kondo takes all the clothes out of the cupboards and piles 
them up in a mountain on the bed? First of all the owners are amazed at how 
much stuff they've got. Next they have to go through each item, discarding the 
ones that don't spark joy, and then categorising the others, folding them in a 
special way, before putting them in smaller boxes according to type. 

I think that's what you need to do with your sidebar tab 'containers'. You've 
got everything in there, jumbled together, very difficult to find, not 
obviously labelled by function or findable for a newcomer. Clear instructions 
are difficult to find. If you threw it all into a pile you'd be amazed at how 
much is there but you have to go through it, discard some, re-categorise some 
and break it all down into smaller units, each with their own 'box'. A 'help' 
pop-up for each box might be necessary.
Then you need easy, clearly labelled navigation between each box. Personally I 
hate the sidebar in TW, imo everything you have in the sidebar should go under 
'Settings' and that should have a page of its own.

Ok, imagine we've got a 3 button landing screen. When I click on the Reader 
icon I don't want another tiddler to open below. Scrolling on a phone is out 
for me. (Sidebars are out too. Scrolling through a paragraph list in a sidebar 
or getting dropped back to the end of a book long story river, with a sidebar 
on top is really out! (A 'return to top' button is essential if you're 
determined to keep the scrolling). 

On clicking Reader I'd like the 3 icon landing screen to disappear and a simple 
Library page with these options to appear; 
'List of Titles' 
'Import New title'
'Writer' icon
'Settings' icon.
Back and Forward arrow heads for navigation. 

We're in standard kindlish e-reader territory now.

If I click on the 'Writer' icon it should take me to the top level of the 
writer mode. It shouldn't toggle the 'reader library' into a 'writer library'. 
The exit from one function to the other has to be clear. Again, no story river, 
no sidebar, no headings. Each new page/screen replaces the last. 

('View in Writer' is a different thing and needs a different icon.)

If I click on a 

[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

[PMario]

Hi, 

Nice work! Well done!!

-mario

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[tw5] Re: New plugin: Locator: Discover and search by context (tags)

[bimlas]

Thanks! By the way I think it fits to "Navigation - Tables of contents and 
outliners" and "Tags, tagging" as well.

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[tw5] Re: Notes on experimenting with external content

[barrowgloom]

attaching tid file for importing into TW Scripts for testing the submission 
process

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notes on using external web content v1.tid
Description: Binary data

[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

[barrowgloom]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 12:35:47 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *TW-Scripts Updated*
> *Now you can directly search Dave Gifford Tiddlywiki Toolmap from inside 
> TW-Scripts.*
> Thanks to S.S for his great solution for online lookup.
>
> I am thinking interested people when propose a solution on this forum can 
> share it as a tiddler(s) attachment  
> to be directly imported into TW-Script.
>
>
> Amazing Mohammad.  I shall attach tid's to some posts I have planned like 
> you suggest-- in fact, check my post about external content-- I have the 
> tid I copied and pasted and I'll add it to the post as a test.
>
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[tw5] Re: General Form for a Macro Repeating Macro?

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi, 

My favorite repeater is the list widget:


\define buttonmacro(countUp, caption)

<$button style="background-color:White; width:100%; height:100%" >
"""
Button $caption$ $countUp$
"""
\end

<$list filter="[enlist[1 2 3]]" variable="nr">

<$macrocall $name="buttonmacro" countUp=<> caption="c" />



Does that work for you? 

Cheers, 
Thomas 

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[tw5] Re: Undocumented IF-THEN-ELSE macro

[barrowgloom]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 12:54:28 AM UTC-5, S. S. wrote:
>
>
> My post above was asking for suggestions to improve a help file that's 
> meant to make it easier for a new contributor to submit to TiddlyWiki's 
> GitHub area.
> But just posting a write up into TiddlywikiDocs google groups 
>   means 75% 
> of the work is done! After that it's easy for someone to pick it up and 
> submit it.
>
>
You got me with your bait : )  I do have a simple suggestion for 
documentation in general and if posting in the doc Group is aldo good-- 
because setting up a Github account was dwelaying me because I haven't had 
the time to do it.  B ut going to the doc Group wouldn't require any extra 
effort though its on my endless list of what I should really do, so don't 
expect me too soon-- sorry : )

I actually had a really good excuse-- eye surgeries on both eyes and now 
nearly 4 months without glasses to use.

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[tw5] Re: Problems with define Macros

[Gerald Weis]

thanks

it run

Am Freitag, 18. Januar 2019 19:59:33 UTC+1 schrieb Gerald Weis:
>
> Hi Guys
>
> I'm using an fresh tiddlywiki 5.19
>
> Now i have declared an Stylsheet-file and an Macrofile
>
> But i have an Problem.
> The macro don't started from any tiddler
>
> that is the macrocode
>
> \define Sitzungen (Termin Ort Teilnehmer)
> 
> Sitzungseinladung
> 
> Termin: 
> $Termin$
> Ort:$Ort$
> Teilnehmer: $Teilnehmer$
> 
> Tagesordnung
> 
> \end
>
> Displayed in the Macrofile-preview is 
>
> \define Macroname
> the design in div1
> Termin: 
> $Termin$
> Ort:$Ort$
> Teilnehmer: $Teilnehmer$
> the design in div2
> \end
>
> but it don't started from any tiddler
>
> whats wrong?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Problems with define Macros

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 12:57:56 AM UTC-8, Gerald Weis wrote:
>
> that is the macrocode
>
> \define Sitzungen (Termin Ort Teilnehmer)
>

The TWCore macro parser expects the parens of the macro parameter list to 
*immediately* follow the macro name, without any intervening white space.  
You have a space between "Sitzungen" and the open parentheses of the 
parameter list.  This prevents the parser from properly recognizing the 
macro definition, so it is just being output as if it was normal wiki 
content in that tiddler.

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
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[tw5] Re: Problems with define Macros

[Gerald Weis]

Hello Mark S.

It is only one Macro what i show

the first one show the definitions.
the second one show what it is doing.

that is the macrocode

\define Sitzungen (Termin Ort Teilnehmer)

Sitzungseinladung

Termin: 
$Termin$
Ort:$Ort$
Teilnehmer: $Teilnehmer$

Tagesordnung

\end

if i call the Macro with

<> 

the macrocall donothing.
The tag for the Macrofile ist set to *$:/tags/Macro*

all the same  do  not running the Macro


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[tw5] Notes on experimenting with external content

[barrowgloom]

Just some observations while determining ways to display external content 
with my personal project TW.  Doesn't include local hard drive content-- 
that will be a separate note because with local drive content I have had 
more success and essentially indexed all my project files (couple hundred 
files of many formats) with TW where I usually don't have to leave my 
project TW or Firefox to work with files unless I have to go to Gimp, 
Photshop or Inkscape.

Anyone's observations/input is very much welcomed.

Displaying external Web based content:


(testing in progress, using Firefox 64)


A. *Viewing in an iframe in Wiki*:


Note on Google app's- when accessing a site using a javascript login (an 
URL ending in .jspa), a "javascript not enabled" error message– so 
apparently javascript has issues operating in iframes, at least with 
Firefox 64.

   1. Google Doc's will display and can be edited in an iframe
  - if you're not signed into Google which would grant edit permission.
  - PROBLEM, if signed into Google, the sheet displays but with a 
  "JavaScript isn't enabled in your browser, so this file can't be opened. 
  Enable and reload." message which prevents not just editing but scrolling 
  the page.
  - doc permissions influence these results, ie an "edit" in the URL. 
  Not tested on Google app assets made public.
   2. Google Sheets will display in an iframe
  - if you're not signed into Google which would grant edit permission.
  - PROBLEM, if signed into Google, the sheet displays but with a "
  JavaScript isn't enabled in your browser, so this file can't be 
  opened. Enable and reload." message which prevents not just editing but 
  scrolling the page.
  - doc permissions influence these results, ie an "edit" in the URL. 
  Not tested on Google app assets made public.
   3. File hosting:
  - Google Drive - no
  - OneDrive - unknown, not tested
  - Dropbox - unknown, not tested
   4. Some websites:
  - Will have to test the website if it will view in an iframe.
 - If the site/page has HTTP response header X-Frame-Option "DENY" 
 or "SAMEORIGIN", displaying in an iframe will not work unless the Wiki 
is 
 in the same domain.
 - sites using a javascript login (an URL ending in ".jspa"), a 
 "javascript not enabled" error message will appear instead of the 
website 
 displaying– so apparently javascript has issues operating in iframes
 - When iframe viewing is prevented see Part B below.
  5. Youtube videos
  - "www.youtube.com/watch?_video ID_" won't view in iframe, but 
  "www.youtube.com/embed/_video ID_" will.
 - Right click on a video at Youtbe and one of the options given is 
 an embed snippet which is an iframe with the video url
- often gives a "video unavailable" error message.
 6. direct viewing of web hosted multimedia content:
  - Images, audio, video files online can be the src of an iframe
  - or images, audio, video files online can be embedded into tiddlers
 - this is useful with archive org audio which brings up a web page 
 hosting the audio file
 - (1) using TW's _canonical_uri: for the file url and setting the 
 tiddler type field ("audio/mp3" for audio)
 - (2) or using HTML audio and video tags in a tiddler
 - image hot-linking prevention on a website may block this
  - Text based files online can be the src of an iframe, any file that 
  your browser can display in it without needing an external app, can be 
  displayed in an iframe in its text format.
   

   - In these cases where content will not display within an iframe, the 
   content will have to be opened in a new browser tab using Wikitext external 
   link markup, due to iframe security precautions preventing viewing in an 
   iframe.

B. *View in new browser window*:

(using Wikitext external link markup or html "a href" tag with 
target="_blank")

   1. Google Doc's, Sheets, Drive & other Google app's
  - signed in or not- depends upon the share setting of the asset
   2. other file hosting - OneDrive, Dropbox
   3. many websites
  - sites/pages using HTTP response header X-Frame-Option "DENY" or 
  "SAMEORIGIN", displaying it in a new tab is the only way to view it.
  - sites/pages using javascriot log-in/front end (ie URL's ending in 
  ".jspa", displaying it in a new tab is the only way to view it.
   4. Dropbox, others?
   5. Youtube videos can be opened in a new tab with Wikitext external link 
   markup using the standard "www.youtube.com/watch?_video ID_" in its url. 
   6. Of course images, audio, video, text files online can be viewed using 
   Wikitext external link markup.
  - Interesting experiment- Facebook won't display within an iframe but 
  setting the iframe src to an image on the Facebook page, the image will 
  display wit