Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[Pit.W.]

Scott, I run a TW for exactly the same purpose as your's, since some 
time and it has 4.000+ entries.


I run it now in its own node.js instance, merging several former 
separated stand-alone wikis into it.


Besides my comments below, I learned the following lessons:

It is good to have a multidimensional data model.

    so I use the tocP macro collection; I have an additional data type 
to identify the different topics I am researching, like:Family, arts, 
... There is also a plugin for alternative tag-fields 
($:/plugins/inmysocks/GenericTagFields/) by OOKTECH. Has a nice GUI and 
opens huge possibilities.


The key is a field named "h-doctype" which distinguishes the various 
natures of the info stored in the tiddler, like "Historic person", 
"Historic event", "Historic country" "Historic location". This field 
then triggers a corresponding conditional view template.


Whenever I change the basic working methodology in the wiki, I also 
change the name of the editor, helps updating old stuff.


tidgraph is a must - see below

tiddlymap is a must

for some date calculations Evan Balster's "formulas" are my favourite

Keep us updated on your progress


Pit.W



Am 15.07.2020 um 04:00 schrieb TW Tones:

Scott,

I have not developed any historical tiddlywiki's but I have spent a 
lot of time in personal organisers. From this I have a set of key 
methods I use. I will dump a few here which we can explore further.


  * Yes, set dates in custom date fields and have at least start and
end dates, same for me, but I have 4 fields: First in the ISO date
format YYY-0MM-0DD; second just the year  (no leading 0s, BC
with a "-"(minus)
  * Keep created and Modified to mean what they mean, created the
tiddler and modified the tiddler - this is useful information
don't compromise your future by changing their meaning yes
  * if both dates are the same consider it a mile stone I regard it as
a 1-day-event; Milestones I identify by tags
  * If their is not end date then it marks a new era that has note
close Thats a milestone for me, missing date migth just indicate
that I dont know it . Ongoing things get an end date
"moment().add(0, 'days')" from the moment.js plugin - works nicely
in the timelines plugin
  * If it has no start date we are not sure when it started same here
  * Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates I dont
understand that
  * You could use a plugin like http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/
 however more for this
century (needs moment.js plugin as well see notes) I use that as a
standard
  * Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the
list I am still trying to find a convenient list widget for dates
  * Keep as many dates as possible compatible with tiddlywiki's date
serial number, even f you zero fill the rest of the serial number
tricky one; I didnt do it because for history I dont need minutes,
seconds, milliseconds
  o This allows you to continue to use operators and sort etc..
  * There is at least one visual timeline tool eg
http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs/ Thats a must; new version
here: http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
  * A lot of the people pursuing genealogical tiddlywiki's need dates
and some very old dates so maps to historical records. Damon
Prichett has created some cool stuff for displaying family trees;
see posts like 2020-06-28 in this group

If you are taking records that become history there are more tricks 
Tony, please do tell...


Regards
Tony
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[Scott Kingery]

Thanks all. Yeah, -mm-dd is the only true date format that makes
any sense to me.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 8:50 PM History Buff 
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> Most of the dates I work with are prior to 1900 so I do as Mark suggested
> with -mm-dd format. It works great for my needs and sorts super easily.
> I halos have a macro to format the date as I want when I display it.
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[Dave Parker]

Yes, Thank you Dave for sharing your excitement about tiddlywiki with the rest 
of us in the form of such complete and useful "Envelopes"! 
 
And now that you've let the cat out of the bag, when can we expect to see a 
working version of that tight@# thing? :D

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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[History Buff]

Most of the dates I work with are prior to 1900 so I do as Mark suggested with 
-mm-dd format. It works great for my needs and sorts super easily. I halos 
have a macro to format the date as I want when I display it. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The built-in date format (<>) and filter operators only work with 
dates after 1900. So this this might be a good case for making your own 
date fields with -mm-dd format which can then be sorted sanely and used 
with the compare operator.

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:42:02 PM UTC-7, Scott Kingery wrote:
>
> Tony, thanks for your thoughts and tips as always. I think I'll just start 
> an empty wiki and see where things lead using these idea.
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 7:00 PM TW Tones <> wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I have not developed any historical tiddlywiki's but I have spent a lot 
>> of time in personal organisers. From this I have a set of key methods I 
>> use. I will dump a few here which we can explore further.
>>
>>- Yes, set dates in custom date fields and have at least start and 
>>end dates, 
>>- Keep created and Modified to mean what they mean, created the 
>>tiddler and modified the tiddler - this is useful information don't 
>>compromise your future by changing their meaning
>>- if both dates are the same consider it a mile stone
>>- If their is not end date then it marks a new era that has note close
>>- If it has no start date we are not sure when it started
>>- Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates
>>- You could use a plugin like http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/ 
>> however 
>>more for this century (needs moment.js plugin as well see notes)
>>- Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the list
>>- Keep as many dates as possible compatible with tiddlywiki's date 
>>serial number, even f you zero fill the rest of the serial number
>>   - This allows you to continue to use operators and sort etc..
>>- There is at least one visual timeline tool eg 
>>http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs/
>>- A lot of the people pursuing genealogical tiddlywiki's need dates 
>>and some very old dates so maps to historical records. 
>>
>> If you are taking records that become history there are more tricks
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[Scott Kingery]

Tony, thanks for your thoughts and tips as always. I think I'll just start
an empty wiki and see where things lead using these idea.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 7:00 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Scott,
>
> I have not developed any historical tiddlywiki's but I have spent a lot of
> time in personal organisers. From this I have a set of key methods I use. I
> will dump a few here which we can explore further.
>
>- Yes, set dates in custom date fields and have at least start and end
>dates,
>- Keep created and Modified to mean what they mean, created the
>tiddler and modified the tiddler - this is useful information don't
>compromise your future by changing their meaning
>- if both dates are the same consider it a mile stone
>- If their is not end date then it marks a new era that has note close
>- If it has no start date we are not sure when it started
>- Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates
>- You could use a plugin like http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/ 
> however
>more for this century (needs moment.js plugin as well see notes)
>- Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the list
>- Keep as many dates as possible compatible with tiddlywiki's date
>serial number, even f you zero fill the rest of the serial number
>   - This allows you to continue to use operators and sort etc..
>- There is at least one visual timeline tool eg
>http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs/
>- A lot of the people pursuing genealogical tiddlywiki's need dates
>and some very old dates so maps to historical records.
>
> If you are taking records that become history there are more tricks
>
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[TW Tones]

Scott,

I have not developed any historical tiddlywiki's but I have spent a lot of 
time in personal organisers. From this I have a set of key methods I use. I 
will dump a few here which we can explore further.

   - Yes, set dates in custom date fields and have at least start and end 
   dates, 
   - Keep created and Modified to mean what they mean, created the tiddler 
   and modified the tiddler - this is useful information don't compromise your 
   future by changing their meaning
   - if both dates are the same consider it a mile stone
   - If their is not end date then it marks a new era that has note close
   - If it has no start date we are not sure when it started
   - Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates
   - You could use a plugin like http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/ however 
   more for this century (needs moment.js plugin as well see notes)
   - Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the list
   - Keep as many dates as possible compatible with tiddlywiki's date 
   serial number, even f you zero fill the rest of the serial number
  - This allows you to continue to use operators and sort etc..
   - There is at least one visual timeline tool eg 
   http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs/
   - A lot of the people pursuing genealogical tiddlywiki's need dates and 
   some very old dates so maps to historical records. 

If you are taking records that become history there are more tricks

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[David Gifford]

Mat, that's because I had hair in the old hangouts! :-) I have been shaving 
my head to avoid having to go to the barbershop during these pandemic times.

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Mat wrote:

> In deed - thank you David and Jeremy! Beyond getting a feel for how people 
> use TW and their reasoning, it is nice to see a face of someone you mostly 
> just know as a name (...strangely I can't recall seeing David in any 
> previous hangout).
>
> "Bravo to Dave for trying this out - I feel the same pride as though I 
>> were watching someone drive a lorry over a bridge that I had carefully 
>> constructed for a horse to use."
>>
>
> HA! Dat funny!
>
> <:-) 
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[David Gifford]

Thank you Birthe for such kind words!

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 12:57:24 PM UTC-5 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you so much to Jeremy and David,
>
> Tiddlywiki is of course wonderful, but some kind of users need help seeing 
> the beauty, and David has done a lot of work showing us.
> https://www.giffmex.org/twfortherestofus.html sure helped me starting 
> with TWclassic. The link collections and all the adaptations. So much more 
> because we translated a lot of it for use on the Danish Tiddlyspace.
> An upgrade killed Danish Tiddlyspace, and I felt "homeless". it was about 
> the time TW5 was in Beta, so I started trying that out. I am not sure I 
> really felt it compensated my feeling after loosing so many TWclassic 
> wikis, but then David started creating the TW5 mall, a tutorial and much 
> more and well it kept getting harder and harder to resist.
> I remember David send Jeremy an enormous amount of questions, and then got 
> on with the work of creating wikis to show us how it could be used.
> Testing was also part of it, just look back at this thread 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/PpJsdJr99n8/ilLnbPBRdvMJ 
>
> Jeremy surprised as the rest of us : "Bravo to Dave for trying this out - 
> I feel the same pride as though I were watching someone drive a lorry over 
> a bridge that I had carefully constructed for a horse to use."
> That sentence is what I remember every time we discuss how big a 
> tiddlywiki can be? - how many tiddlers? and all that.
>
> Stroll is great and yet again David is the one getting many new users into 
> using Tiddlywiki, Short time ago we even saw, that his son is using 
> Tiddlywiki too. 
> I always felt that family and friends were the most difficult to get into 
> using Tiddlywi.
>
> Thank you David for all of the above, for Stroll and for being so well 
> prepared for the hangout.
>
> Birthe
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[tw5] Side Preview?

[amreus]

This is related to Mat's SideEditor, but I thought not on-topic so I 
started a new topic. 

So would it be possible to make a "Side Preview" plugin? So instead of 
floating a side editor, the normal editor is used but a small (tiny?), live 
preview window is floated over the sidebar when the tiddler is being 
edited? Sort of like the preview when you hover over the Windows taskbar.




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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Jon

may I ask which plugins you had installed? And when you say you disabled 
them, did you delete them or merely click disable? I'm not really sure what 
clicking disable does and I can imagine that, particularly, stylesheets are 
still affecting things. 
But again, which plugins did/do you have installed, if you don't mind me 
asking?

And it's not Stroll by any chance? Which was just updated for this reason.

Thanks

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@amreus
Thanks for feedback, I appreciate it even if what you request would be a 
very different plugin as I'll explain. So, just maybe you should fiddle 
with a separate version after all! :-)

I don't like the hover feature.  


The very hovering is a main thing because I wanted it to be super easy to 
flip between the things. One could imagine some kind of clickable area that 
brings things into view but that would require a very different mechanism. 
The hovering is purely CSS based whereas clicking likely would be in 
wikitext (or JS).
 
Wit that said, I can mention that I am considering an "open in new window" 
feature for the editor, i.e a button that splits out the editor, somewhat 
like rQuickTid . (I also have very vague 
ideas about merging the two, to make it possible to create new tiddlers via 
the SideEditor).

It's too difficult  not to trigger the sidebar when going for the Check 
> button, which is too small. 


I can agree with this. I should probably make the check button bigger. 
Possibly add some transparent margin around also to prevent mis-hovering.


I would just prefer to have the editor cover the sidebar stuff. 


One downside then, at least on a 14" screen like mine or smaller, is that 
you can't(?) have an editor that is wider than the sidebar. Maybe you have 
a bigger screen. But I recall someone putting an editor in one of the 
sidebar tabs. Can't remember who or the name of the plugin if there ever 
was one. Possibly it was Mohammad... not sure.
 

> Then clicking anywhere off the editor textarea would close it, or perhaps 
> the Escape key could close it also. Other than that, it's a very nice 
> enhancement. 


 I didn't experiment with key commands yet but again, it's not really for 
CSS which is the key "mechanism" in SideEditor. 

Since you did consider building your own thing, please feel free to mess 
around with the SideEditor. Or any other thing I've made for that matter. 

<:-)

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[tw5] Notes on History - How would you do it?

[Scott Kingery]

After watching Hamilton I got to thinking about taking notes in Tiddlywiki 
on historical events and figures. We have lots of ways like Freelinks and 
tags of surfacing related information. The more data you throw in there the 
more interesting it gets. In this case though, what is a good way of 
handling and presenting historical facts? What I mean is, if you are doing 
some research on the American Revolution and follow some research and make 
notes around the building of the army and then follow some research make 
notes around the politics of the time it would be interesting to see how 
things overlap at least in terms of what is happening at the same time. Has 
anyone done something like this?  Maybe dates would get stored in a field? 
Just starting my thoughts on this but I'd love to read if anyone has done 
something like this.

Thanks,
Scott

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

I don't have this plug-in and the SideEditor didn't work in my main wiki 
after I disabled all my plug-ins (but does work in another wiki).
So must be something else.

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:37:47 UTC+1, _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>
> nice catch ! it fixed the 'compatibility' issue for me. Thank you very 
> much.
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:17:30 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>>
>> errata:
>>  
>>
>>> Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 
>>> 
>>>  and 
>>> remove one single curly brace from the end of the *title*.
>>
>>
>> should read "...from the end of the *text*"
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[amreus]

Thank you for this - I was thinking of something similar recently but since 
you have made it, and better than I ever could, I hope you don't mind some 
comments from the peanut gallery..


I don't like the hover feature.  It's too difficult  not to trigger the 
sidebar when going for the Check button, which is too small. I would just 
prefer to have the editor cover the sidebar stuff.  Then clicking anywhere 
off the editor textarea would close it, or perhaps the Escape key could 
close it also. Other than that, it's a very nice enhancement. 





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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Update: SideEditor 2.0.5 

Again cosmetics, but still worth updating for I'd say.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[Mat]

In deed - thank you David and Jeremy! Beyond getting a feel for how people 
use TW and their reasoning, it is nice to see a face of someone you mostly 
just know as a name (...strangely I can't recall seeing David in any 
previous hangout).

"Bravo to Dave for trying this out - I feel the same pride as though I were 
> watching someone drive a lorry over a bridge that I had carefully 
> constructed for a horse to use."
>

HA! Dat funny!

<:-) 

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Re: [tw5] New: SolarizedDark Palette for TW

[Adithya B M]

Hi Jeremy,
Sorry for the confusion. I am specifically recommending:

   - For ".tc-drop-down button.tc-btn-invisible:hover svg" *fill* should be 
   set to the colour 'background' to ensure that highlighted rows in the 
   dropdown menu look good when highlighted. This would look like this: 
   - .tc-drop-down button.tc-btn-invisible:hover svg {
   fill: <>;
   }
   
[image: Screen Shot 2020-07-14 at 11.37.40 PM.png]


   - .tc-block-dropdown a:hover can be the foreground colour instead so the 
   links can be more interesting colours (This is not a bug just a better 
   choice - using the link-foreground here makes it visually very jarring IMHO)
  - .tc-block-dropdown a:hover {   
  background-color: <>; 
  }
  - Which would look like this:
   
[image: Screen Shot 2020-07-14 at 11.43.33 PM.png]

   - Making editor toolbar buttons' background transparent will make the 
   toolbar look super cool (in dark palettes):

[image: Screen Shot 2020-07-14 at 11.37.48 PM.png]
Else it looks like this:
[image: Screen Shot 2020-07-14 at 11.46.47 PM.png]
(Because I have to choose light colours both for the link-foreground and 
the tiddler-controls-foreground)

>
> Bug with tag's x button fill?
>
> background-color:;
> fill:<>;
> color:<>;
>
> I don’t think that that code is expecting to deal with indirectly defined 
> colours; how can the problem you’re seeing be reproduced?
>

This problem can be reproduced by simply using this 
pallette: http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#adithyab%2Fpalettes%2FSolarizedLight
As you said, the problem goes away if I replace all the references in the 
palette with their linked colours.

Cheers,
Adithya 

 

> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Thanks for your response,
> Adithya
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:07:56 PM UTC+5:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Adithya
>>
>> The problem with the preview swatches in control panel is a bug. I’ve 
>> filed an issue here:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4755
>>
>> If you’d like to submit the palette to the core we’ll need to avoid the 
>> attendant CSS: palettes in TW5 just consist of the palette tiddler.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> On 13 Jul 2020, at 13:43, Adithya B M  wrote:
>>
>> I had some doubts:
>> * How to make colours visible in the settings menu's pallette preview 
>> (look for SolarizedDark in the pallette tab at 
>> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel)
>>
>> Adithya
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:58:15 PM UTC+5:30, Adithya B M wrote:
>>>
>>> I made adapted the SolarizedDark Palette for TW. Checkit here: 
>>> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/
>>> It requres some css things to work properly (
>>> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#adithyab%2Fcss)
>>>
>>> How to push this into the main TW repository? Should I fork and give a 
>>> pull request?
>>>
>>> Please share your comments. 
>>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[Birthe C]

Thank you so much to Jeremy and David,

Tiddlywiki is of course wonderful, but some kind of users need help seeing 
the beauty, and David has done a lot of work showing us.
https://www.giffmex.org/twfortherestofus.html sure helped me starting with 
TWclassic. The link collections and all the adaptations. So much more 
because we translated a lot of it for use on the Danish Tiddlyspace.
An upgrade killed Danish Tiddlyspace, and I felt "homeless". it was about 
the time TW5 was in Beta, so I started trying that out. I am not sure I 
really felt it compensated my feeling after loosing so many TWclassic 
wikis, but then David started creating the TW5 mall, a tutorial and much 
more and well it kept getting harder and harder to resist.
I remember David send Jeremy an enormous amount of questions, and then got 
on with the work of creating wikis to show us how it could be used.
Testing was also part of it, just look back at this thread 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/PpJsdJr99n8/ilLnbPBRdvMJ 

Jeremy surprised as the rest of us : "Bravo to Dave for trying this out - I 
feel the same pride as though I were watching someone drive a lorry over a 
bridge that I had carefully constructed for a horse to use."
That sentence is what I remember every time we discuss how big a tiddlywiki 
can be? - how many tiddlers? and all that.

Stroll is great and yet again David is the one getting many new users into 
using Tiddlywiki, Short time ago we even saw, that his son is using 
Tiddlywiki too. 
I always felt that family and friends were the most difficult to get into 
using Tiddlywi.

Thank you David for all of the above, for Stroll and for being so well 
prepared for the hangout.

Birthe

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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll updates

[David Gifford]

Hi Mat

Thanks for catching that! I just updated both the Stroll file and the empty
file. You might need to hit refresh. Blessings and thanks again.




On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:42 AM Mat  wrote:

> @David
>
> I strongly suspect that there's a bug in this stylesheet
> .
> I discovered this bug in HC Haases TOCgeneric and reported it here
>  and
> it seems that plugin reuses the stylesheet from your plugin. The bug is a
> superfluous curly brace at the very end of the stylesheet. This makes the
> stylesheet interfere with other things
> 
> because the specificity in the css definitions is very high so it takes
> precedence over "everything". The solution is to simply remove that extra
> curly brace. Note that the formatting in the style definitions is not
> consistent there so it is easy to get confused with the braces.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll updates

[Mat]

@David

I strongly suspect that there's a bug in this stylesheet 
. 
I discovered this bug in HC Haases TOCgeneric and reported it here 
 and 
it seems that plugin reuses the stylesheet from your plugin. The bug is a 
superfluous curly brace at the very end of the stylesheet. This makes the 
stylesheet interfere with other things 
 
because the specificity in the css definitions is very high so it takes 
precedence over "everything". The solution is to simply remove that extra 
curly brace. Note that the formatting in the style definitions is not 
consistent there so it is easy to get confused with the braces.

Thanks.

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Re: [tw5] New: SolarizedDark Palette for TW

[Adithya B M]

Hi Jeremy, 

I have created a made the pallette free of the attendant CSS.  I have also 
created a corresponding Solarized Light palette which I think is better 
than the current one. How to proceed?
I have spotted some bugs as well:
in $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base
   
   - .tc-drop-down button.tc-btn-invisible:hover svg background-color 
   should be the colour background to ensure that highlighted row's icon in 
   the dropdown menu looks good when highlighed.
   - .tc-block-dropdown a:hover can be the foreground colour instead so the 
   links can be more interesting colours (This is not a bug just a better 
   choice IMHO)
   - In .tc-editor-toolbar: background-color: <>; can be <> instead. 
   Even inherit is better than the current tiddler-controls-foreground
choice.
   - To remove the ouline visible on clicking in chrome, add: button, 
   textarea, input, select {outline-width: 0;}

Bug with tag's x button fill?

In $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags, this code doesnt seem to work properly for 
some reason ():

\define tag-styles()
background-color:$(backgroundColor)$;
fill:$(foregroundColor)$;
color:$(foregroundColor)$;
\end

It outputs the following instead of actual values (I get this by inspecting 
the tag):

background-color:;
fill:<>;
color:<>;


Thanks for your response,
Adithya

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:07:56 PM UTC+5:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Adithya
>
> The problem with the preview swatches in control panel is a bug. I’ve 
> filed an issue here:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4755
>
> If you’d like to submit the palette to the core we’ll need to avoid the 
> attendant CSS: palettes in TW5 just consist of the palette tiddler.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 13 Jul 2020, at 13:43, Adithya B M > 
> wrote:
>
> I had some doubts:
> * How to make colours visible in the settings menu's pallette preview 
> (look for SolarizedDark in the pallette tab at 
> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel)
>
> Adithya
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:58:15 PM UTC+5:30, Adithya B M wrote:
>>
>> I made adapted the SolarizedDark Palette for TW. Checkit here: 
>> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/
>> It requres some css things to work properly (
>> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#adithyab%2Fcss)
>>
>> How to push this into the main TW repository? Should I fork and give a 
>> pull request?
>>
>> Please share your comments. 
>>
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[tw5] Re: JSONMangler and nested JSON

['Werner' via TiddlyWiki]

OK, it took me quite a bit to get my head wrapped around, but I've come up 
with a solution that works for me. In order to dive into the nested array 
and access the indexes in there, I had to resort to a macro renderIndex(), 
but, as a positive side effect, this makes the code more readable. So 
here's the example code. Feel free to comment if I unnecessarily 
complicated it. Also, I still need to come up with a solution to add up 
fields with numeric content in a JSON array. Input here would be greatly 
appreciated



\define renderIndex(path: "0" index: "") 
<$set name="myFld2" tiddler="$(currentTiddler)$" index="$path$/$index$" > 
Displaying $path$/$index$: <>

\end

<$list filter="[tag[Facility]]">

<$view field="title"/>

Actions array Length:
<$set name="arrLength" filter="[indexes[/Actions]count[]]">
Array Length: <>
  

Actions array Full Content as JSON string:
<$set name="myVar" tiddler=<> index="/Actions">
<>


Looping through Actions array:
<$list variable="arrayIndex" filter="[indexes[/Actions]]">

<$set name="myFld", 
filter="[indexes[/Actions]addprefix[/Actions/]]" 
select=<> > 
Displaying contents of <> as JSON string:
<$transclude tiddler=<> index=<> />

<$macrocall $name="renderIndex" path=<> index="Action Date" />
<$macrocall $name="renderIndex" path=<> index="Action Type" />






So, Joshua and Tony, thanks so much for helping me on the way. Was quite a 
bit of a learning curve, but I enjoyed it.

Best, Werner

Am Montag, 13. Juli 2020 01:34:00 UTC+2 schrieb Joshua Fontany:
>
> I think you are almost there. One thing to keep in mind in Tiddlkywiki is 
> the difference between "shorthand" Wikitext and "long form" Widgets.
>
> {{Title##Index}} is "shorthand" Wikitest that is then rendered into the 
> following by the TW core:
> ```
> <$tiddler tiddler="Title">
>   <$transclude tiddler=<> index="Index" />
> 
> ```
> As you can see, leaving out the first part, like so {{##Index}} would 
> retain the value of the "current" <> variable and just use 
> the <$transclude> widget to pull an Index. Similarly, if you leave out the 
> "variable" parameter of a $list widget, it assumes you want to set the 
> <> variable in each rendered tempalte. This is equivalent 
> to your "each()" request. (Make sure to have an empty line after the 
> opening <$list> tag if you want block fomatting.)
>
> The next thing to note is that with JsonMangler you always want to use 
> full paths to any nested data. Always consider the Tiddler as the object, 
> and path from the root to the required data. Your list would look like so:
> ```
> <$list filter="[tag[Facility]]">
>
> <$set name="arrLength" filter="[indexes[/Actions]count[]]">
> Facility Array Length: <>
> <$list variable="arrItemPath" 
> filter="[indexes[/Actions]addprefix[/Actions]]" >
>
> <>:  <$transclude tiddler=<> 
> index=<> />
>  
> 
> ```
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 7:11:12 AM UTC-7 Werner wrote:
>
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> thanks so much for your answer. This has taken me a lot further.
>>
>> But, reconsidering my original question, I found, that, maybe, I got 
>> stuck too much in the procedural paradigm, and a more elegant approach 
>> would be, if one could could use each[] for looping through a JSON array. 
>> Taking your example this should look something like:
>>
>> <$list filter="[[MyJson]indexes[/path/to/array]each[]]">
>> {{##FieldFromJsonArray}}
>> 
>>
>> I tried to do it, but didn't succeed. I understand that each[] expects a 
>> list separated with spaces, so my assumption would be that this does not 
>> work unless an overloaded version of each[] is provided. OTOH, I found an 
>> undocumented function ForEach[] in JSONMANGLER. Any clue?
>>
>> I created three JSON test tiddlers. One with a nested array of 4 elements 
>> and another with 3 and a third one with a one-element array. I looped 
>> through them like this
>>
>> <$list filter="[tag[Facility]]">
>> ...
>> <$set name="arrLength" filter="[indexes[/Actions]count[]]">
>> Array Length: <>
>>  
>> 
>>
>> and was able to display all fields and the array fields as JSON text. 
>> Strangely, the arrLength variable displayed a value of 4 for all three 
>> tiddlers. No idea why. Will have to dive deeper into it.
>>
>> Thanks again
>> Werner
>>
>>
>>
>> Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2020 21:24:07 UTC+2 schrieb Joshua Fontany:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Great to see people experimenting with my tools. 
>>>
>>> Two things to note. 1) 0-index based arrays can always have a new object 
>>> written to an index equal to the length of the array. Example, "[0,1,2]", I 
>>> can push "3" to {{MyJson##3}}, and it will be "[0,1,2,3]". Neat trick. 2) 
>>> You can count an array's length using filters as long as you know the 
>>> position of the array within the nexted JSON structure, like so:
>>> ```
>>> <$var name="arrLength" filter="[[MyJson]indexes[/path/to/array]count[]]">
>>> Array Length: <>
>>>   
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Combine the two techniques like so (note the final slash on the new path 
>>> 

[tw5] Re: Autoscroll in TW

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 4:44:26 AM UTC-7, Adithya B M wrote:
>
> 1) Making the whole tiddler a button to start the scrolling doest work for 
> me. Most of the time, I end up starting the autoscroll accidentally. Also, 
> it doesnt let me select and copy text. Having the toolbar is good enough 
> for me.
>

I've added "clickaction" setting in TiddlyTools/AutoScroll/Setup.  The 
default is "<>".  Clearing this value disables the "click (or space 
or enter) to start/pause/resume" behavior.  This allows you to select/copy 
text without also triggering the auto-scrolling behavior
 

> 2) vertical height could also be configurable. I am using 80vh and it 
> works for me.
>

I've added "frameheight" setting in TiddlyTools/AutoScroll/Setup.  The 
default is "50vh".  You can change this to any valid CSS height value you 
like (e.g., "80vh", "10em", "5in", "20cm", etc).  Clearing this value uses 
hard-coded default of "50vh".
 

> 3) This doesnt play well with the stroll plugin - the back-references from 
> stroll end up on top of the tiddler content for all the 'autoscroll' 
> tiddlers. Could this be fixed?
>

I assume that "stroll plugin" uses a custom ViewTemplate to put the 
back-references *after* the $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body 
(".tc-tiddler-body" element).
I added list-before="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body" to the 
TiddlyTools/AutoScroll/Template.  This moves the autoscroll content 
*before* the .tc-tiddler-body.
Hopefully, this *might* fix the problem.  I don't use "stroll", so I can't 
test it.  Let me know.

ALSO...

I added handling in TiddlyTools/AutoScroll/Template for responding to 
"folded" vs. "unfolded" states.
Note:
if you fold the tiddler while scrolling is *active*, unfolding will result 
in the scrolled position being at the end of the content.
If you fold the tiddler while scrolling is *paused*, unfolding will result 
in the scrolled position being at the start of the content.

Thanks for finding and testing all these use-cases that I hadn't 
considered.  It's really been a big help.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[_Phi / hpx1]

nice catch ! it fixed the 'compatibility' issue for me. Thank you very much.

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:17:30 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> errata:
>  
>
>> Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 
>> 
>>  and 
>> remove one single curly brace from the end of the *title*.
>
>
> should read "...from the end of the *text*"
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

errata:
 

> Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 
> 
>  and 
> remove one single curly brace from the end of the *title*.


should read "...from the end of the *text*"

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Phi and probably @Jon (it is not clear if you, Jon, are also using the 
TOCgneric that Phi refers to above)

 _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>
> on my end, SideEditor 2.03 is not compatible with TOCgeneric 2.1.0 (
> https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/).
>

It turns out that TOCgeneric has an extra curly brace at the very end of 
its stylesheet 
which
 
messes up things. He is using very powerful specificity inside his media 
prints which overruns other stuff. I would expect this to cause more 
problems than only for SideEditor. Anyway, unless fellow HCHaace corrects 
this, you can easily do it yourself. Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 

 
and remove one single curly brace from the end of the title.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Mat]

@HC Haase (and _Phi)

There's an superfluous curly brace at the very end of the stylesheet 

 
that causes interference with other plugins. 
Would be appreciated if this can be removed.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Hans Wobbe wrote:
>
> Thank you, Mat.  That is indeed what I was looking for.
>

Great. Otherwise I just realized that it might have been this one which has 
similarities: http://varsfields.tiddlyspot.com/ 

I think I can make good use of this in a couple of my Contexts.  If that 
> works out, I will post back to share the ideas.
>

Excellent, keep on sharing.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Hans Wobbe]

Thank you, Mat.  That is indeed what I was looking for.

I think I can make good use of this in a couple of my Contexts.  If that 
works out, I will post back to share the ideas.

<:)


On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 6:25:05 AM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Hans, happy to hear you have use of my gizmos.
>
 

> ...
>
 

> I'd guess you're referring to http://configsfields.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Autoscroll in TW

[Adithya B M]

Thanks Eric. This is becoming better and better!

Some more feedback:
1) Making the whole tiddler a button to start the scrolling doest work for 
me. Most of the time, I end up starting the autoscroll accidentally. Also, 
it doesnt let me select and copy text. Having the toolbar is good enough 
for me.
2) vertical height could also be configurable. I am using 80vh and it works 
for me.
3) This doesnt play well with the stroll plugin - the back-references from 
stroll end up on top of the tiddler content for all the 'autoscroll' 
tiddlers. Could this be fixed?

Adithya


On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 11:36:26 AM UTC+5:30, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> I keep making changes in the interface!
>
> * combined "start", "pause", and "resume" buttons 
> * in Viewer, disable buttons when no tiddler selected
> * updated documentation
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Hans, happy to hear you have use of my gizmos.

I recently stumbled onto another macro on one of your web sites.  I was 
> pleased at the time, but got distracted before I could really investigate 
> it or even properly bookmark it.  At this time, all I remember is that it 
> was related to VARs and that it created another set of fields, above the 
> "text" field.  I have tried searching and failed.  A Hint or link would be 
> appreciated.
>

I'd guess you're referring to http://configsfields.tiddlyspot.com/

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] New: SolarizedDark Palette for TW

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Adithya

The problem with the preview swatches in control panel is a bug. I’ve filed an 
issue here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4755 


If you’d like to submit the palette to the core we’ll need to avoid the 
attendant CSS: palettes in TW5 just consist of the palette tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 13 Jul 2020, at 13:43, Adithya B M  wrote:
> 
> I had some doubts:
> * How to make colours visible in the settings menu's pallette preview (look 
> for SolarizedDark in the pallette tab at 
> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel)
> 
> Adithya
> 
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:58:15 PM UTC+5:30, Adithya B M wrote:
> I made adapted the SolarizedDark Palette for TW. Checkit here: 
> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> It requres some css things to work properly 
> (http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#adithyab%2Fcss 
> )
> 
> How to push this into the main TW repository? Should I fork and give a pull 
> request?
> 
> Please share your comments. 
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[tw5] Re: Autoscroll in TW

[Eric Shulman]

I keep making changes in the interface!

* combined "start", "pause", and "resume" buttons 
* in Viewer, disable buttons when no tiddler selected
* updated documentation

-e

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