Re: [tw5] Re: [UPDATE] uni-link pugin V2.1.0 released

[TW Tones]

Mario,

Including such a thing is beyond my skills, however I have always felt such 
tools including a custom dictionary, glossary would be very useful for 
Authors. 
I hope also to scan all non system tiddlers and extract all English words 
to build a word glossary and allow additional metadata for each word found 
such as a formal definition for use.
Using the browsers various tools can make sense, but if you use 
TiddlyDesktop they may not be available. One could leverage Freelinks the 
uni-link plugins

As usual allowing the addition of words as needed can keep the data size 
down. You could have a tiddlywiki for authoring content and the resultant 
tiddler dragged to the publishing wiki.

Regards
Tones

On Wednesday, 30 June 2021 at 03:20:39 UTC+10 PMario wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:28:05 PM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
> ... I would not be surprised if there were data sets one could import for 
>> English at least to search for equivalents. 
>>
>
> You are right, there are javascript libraries that know how to handle 
> singular / plural rules. The code is usually not very big. What makes up 
> the size are the irregular rules, because they need to be hard-coded. .. 
>
> https://github.com/plurals/pluralize/blob/master/pluralize.js ... is only 
> 1 of them and it only contains english rules. .. Just an example
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Date In "Title of new tiddlers" Setting

[TW Tones]

DM
Of course in  Title of new journal tiddlers 
 you could 
put  0MM/0DD
Then use the new Journal here button on a tiddler then type the rest of the 
name? The advantage being the new tiddler is tagged with the current one.

Personally I have altered the new Journal and New Journal here button to 
set a journal-date field so it is independent from the title. Just ask if 
you want them!

For future reference you can use the now macro to format a date anyway you 
want, then use this in a new tiddler or new Journal button  to set the 
name. There is a little trick concatenating strings to create titles but we 
can help you there.  

Regards
Tones
On Wednesday, 30 June 2021 at 07:27:56 UTC+10 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> *$:/core/ui/Actions/new-journal* contains:
>
> <$wikify name="journalTitle" text="""<$macrocall $name="now" 
> format=<>/>""">
> [...]
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
> tags=<> text=<>/>
>
> *$:/core/ui/Actions/new-tiddler* contains no such wikify, just:
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" tags=<>/>
>
> I haven't tried it, but I would think it would be relatively 
> straightforward to override this tiddler and add an appropriate wikify 
> widget and a *title* parameter to $action-sendmessage.
>
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:37:26 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to add a formatted date to the "Title of new tiddlers" 
>> field like you can in the "Title of new journal tiddlers" field?
>>
>> I'm trying to add *MM/DD -* to the front of each new tiddler based on 
>> how I am using it. I can always just delete it if I don't need the MM/DD - 
>> in the title but prefer to have it if I did. 
>>
>> However, it doesn't seem that the field accepts any time of code so I'm 
>> not sure if it is even possible. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> DM
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[James Anderson]

I meant @springer, not whoever skinner is :)

On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 22:29:33 UTC+1 James Anderson wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> I asked skinner to remove the alts, I was just playing on the same idea 
> and didn't want to flood the list of choices.
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 21:03:12 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> *@springer: *
>> Really cool your last picture ... and now in RGB style like the picture 
>> of James "chroma-b-alt.png"... By the way, 
>> I'm missing some pictures on tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com What's going 
>> on?
>>
>> *@James.W: *Have I mentioned that I like your RGB series? I also like 
>> the spirit of "emoji-field-title.png". 
>> There might be more hints of new features swimming in the background ...
>>
>>
>> My favourites so far are (excluding my pictures) and without ranking:
>>
>>- 3D twisted version white.png (springer)
>>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>>- json-file-icon-semi-alpha.png (Mohammad)
>>- chroma-b-alt.png (James W)
>>- emoji-field-title.png (James W)
>>
>> and even if its shine is slowly fading:
>>
>>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>>
>>
>> I agree with Jeremy, perhaps such a contest would be useful for an 
>> advertising banner. For a simple release number, the effort is great, 
>> because unfortunately it will soon be replaced again. An advertising 
>> banner, if without a number, can at least be used for longer.
>>
>> A fixed scheme (e.g. logo on the left side, release number on the right 
>> side, colours fixed in advance) and ... instead an advertising banner on 
>> "HelloThere" in the background? I would, I like that.
>>
>> Here for this competition I would have liked something like an end date, 
>> a deadline. Perhaps also a maximum number of inputs.
>> As I see it, the many beautiful pictures, only a small number of people 
>> have created. More outdoor advertising for such actions is needed. This in 
>> turn generates more "word of mouth". More people, more ideas, finished 
>> faster. 
>>
>> I will not post any new pictures now. Not that I don't enjoy it. But I 
>> don't get to do anything else.
>> However, I am happy to accept requests for changes. Also who would like 
>> to have the original files (is SVG) may contact me.
>>
>> When it comes to the vote for the best picture (if there is such a 
>> thing), I'll be there again.
>>
>> So have fun.  Frank
>>
>> springer schrieb am Dienstag, 29. Juni 2021 um 20:14:36 UTC+2:
>>
>>> With a tip of the hat to IAmDarthMole, I've been thinking for a while 
>>> that one logo-version that *deserves* to exist is a version that takes that 
>>> json mobius image posing as a zero, and makes it fit in seamlessly with the 
>>> other numbers. 
>>>
>>> I like that anyone who knows about the JSON logo will "get it" but 
>>> others will just see a 3D-typography effect, plus drag-and-drop. As a flat 
>>> png, it comes in at 19K, less than I feared for a fancy set of bezier 
>>> curves and gradients.
>>>
>>> I hope IAmDarthMole takes this as a constructive collaboration! I'm 
>>> happy to split the pile of prize money. :P
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> [image: 3D twisted version white.png]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
 won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of 
 any other way to show "drag and drop"

 Author: IAmDarthMole

>>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON

 [image: Logo3.png]

 On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, 
>> and 
>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow 
>> of 
>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>
>
> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What 
> is I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>
> Just thoughts
> TT
>


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[tw5] Re: Date In "Title of new tiddlers" Setting

[Soren Bjornstad]

*$:/core/ui/Actions/new-journal* contains:

<$wikify name="journalTitle" text="""<$macrocall $name="now" 
format=<>/>""">
[...]
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
tags=<> text=<>/>

*$:/core/ui/Actions/new-tiddler* contains no such wikify, just:

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" tags=<>/>

I haven't tried it, but I would think it would be relatively 
straightforward to override this tiddler and add an appropriate wikify 
widget and a *title* parameter to $action-sendmessage.

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:37:26 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is there a way to add a formatted date to the "Title of new tiddlers" 
> field like you can in the "Title of new journal tiddlers" field?
>
> I'm trying to add *MM/DD -* to the front of each new tiddler based on how 
> I am using it. I can always just delete it if I don't need the MM/DD - in 
> the title but prefer to have it if I did. 
>
> However, it doesn't seem that the field accepts any time of code so I'm 
> not sure if it is even possible. 
>
> Thanks!
> DM
>

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Re: [tw5] NoteTaking in Streams

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hi Walt,
I guess you have to install Saq's brandnew version 0.2.19 of  his plugin.
He programmed a hook to make the bottom-buttons appear because they are
tagged.

As for the requested sensor for the indent level I am sorry to admit that I
have no idea how to build this.

Cheers Jan

Am Di., 29. Juni 2021 um 20:45 Uhr schrieb ludwa6 :

> Thanks, Saq: I deleted the stream-row-template object, and now -tho i
> still don't see any new button at bottom of stream, i find that, by
> clicking on the bullet that appears at top left of a stream w/ nested
> nodes, it opens up the UI on this modal, which delivers what's promised
> -and more!
>
> @Jan: Thanks a heap for this update; it adds real utility to the app for
> me!  A nice bonus (maybe it was also in earlier version/ demo, and i didn't
> notice) is that pulldown option in the modal UI  to select either bulleted
> or numbered list, as alternative to the paragraph-formatted option.
> What could add even more value to this feature would be to have the number
> of bullets or hashmarks correspond to the indent level;  that would
> preserve the essential function of "flattening" the many nodes into a
> single text block, while also yielding text in format that TW could
> interpret and render with treelike indentation, as an option.  (there's my
> €0.02 of user feedback, fwiw! :-)
>
> /walt
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 6:39:28 PM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @walt
>>
>> For the flatten capability you only need the tiddlers numbered 1-5
>> In particular I would advise caution against using the
>> stream-row-template override.
>>
>> If you drag and drop and import those 5 tiddlers, the flatten button will
>> turn up at the bottom of the stream as long as the stream has some nodes.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> Hey @Jan: Great to hear!
>>> So following these instructions , i have
>>> installed everything on that page below the Streams and Relink plugins
>>> (which i already have) -everything but the German language thingy.  That is
>>> to say: additional tiddlers numbered 1-5, plus stream-row-template, the two
>>> things under "A button to show the keyboard shortcuts," plus the
>>> MobileTweaks... But for all that, i cannot get any new button to reveal,
>>> nor does alt+f do anything useful ( on my mac, it enters the ƒ character).
>>> Of course i've saved, refreshed, tried in different browsers, etc.
>>> Any idea what i might have got wrong, or what else must i do, to get
>>> this add on working?
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:42:47 PM UTC+1 Jan wrote:
>>>
 Hi Walt, I am happy to announce that the streams to text is finally
 updated: https://szen.io/stream/ . Thanks to Saq who has gently helped
 me and provided hooks within the plugin, that make it fun tinkering with
 the plugin, this version should be more future-proof than the last ones
 .
 As always: Backup before using it to recompress the ideas, you
 collected with streams.

 Enjoy,
 Jan

>>> ...
>>>
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[tw5] Date In "Title of new tiddlers" Setting

[Darth Mole]

Is there a way to add a formatted date to the "Title of new tiddlers" field 
like you can in the "Title of new journal tiddlers" field?

I'm trying to add *MM/DD -* to the front of each new tiddler based on how I 
am using it. I can always just delete it if I don't need the MM/DD - in the 
title but prefer to have it if I did. 

However, it doesn't seem that the field accepts any time of code so I'm not 
sure if it is even possible. 

Thanks!
DM

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Re: [tw5] NoteTaking in Streams

[ludwa6]

Thanks, Saq: I deleted the stream-row-template object, and now -tho i still 
don't see any new button at bottom of stream, i find that, by clicking on 
the bullet that appears at top left of a stream w/ nested nodes, it opens 
up the UI on this modal, which delivers what's promised -and more!

@Jan: Thanks a heap for this update; it adds real utility to the app for 
me!  A nice bonus (maybe it was also in earlier version/ demo, and i didn't 
notice) is that pulldown option in the modal UI  to select either bulleted 
or numbered list, as alternative to the paragraph-formatted option.  
What could add even more value to this feature would be to have the number 
of bullets or hashmarks correspond to the indent level;  that would 
preserve the essential function of "flattening" the many nodes into a 
single text block, while also yielding text in format that TW could 
interpret and render with treelike indentation, as an option.  (there's my 
€0.02 of user feedback, fwiw! :-)

/walt


On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 6:39:28 PM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> @walt
>
> For the flatten capability you only need the tiddlers numbered 1-5
> In particular I would advise caution against using the  
> stream-row-template override.
>
> If you drag and drop and import those 5 tiddlers, the flatten button will 
> turn up at the bottom of the stream as long as the stream has some nodes.
>
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> Hey @Jan: Great to hear!
>> So following these instructions , i have 
>> installed everything on that page below the Streams and Relink plugins 
>> (which i already have) -everything but the German language thingy.  That is 
>> to say: additional tiddlers numbered 1-5, plus stream-row-template, the two 
>> things under "A button to show the keyboard shortcuts," plus the 
>> MobileTweaks... But for all that, i cannot get any new button to reveal, 
>> nor does alt+f do anything useful ( on my mac, it enters the ƒ character).  
>> Of course i've saved, refreshed, tried in different browsers, etc.
>> Any idea what i might have got wrong, or what else must i do, to get this 
>> add on working?
>>
>> /walt
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:42:47 PM UTC+1 Jan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Walt, I am happy to announce that the streams to text is finally 
>>> updated: https://szen.io/stream/ . Thanks to Saq who has gently helped 
>>> me and provided hooks within the plugin, that make it fun tinkering with 
>>> the plugin, this version should be more future-proof than the last ones
>>> . 
>>> As always: Backup before using it to recompress the ideas, you collected 
>>> with streams. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Jan
>>>
>> ... 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

With a tip of the hat to IAmDarthMole, I've been thinking for a while that 
one logo-version that *deserves* to exist is a version that takes that json 
mobius image posing as a zero, and makes it fit in seamlessly with the 
other numbers. 

I like that anyone who knows about the JSON logo will "get it" but others 
will just see a 3D-typography effect, plus drag-and-drop. As a flat png, it 
comes in at 19K, less than I feared for a fancy set of bezier curves and 
gradients.

I hope IAmDarthMole takes this as a constructive collaboration! I'm happy 
to split the pile of prize money. :P

-Springer

[image: 3D twisted version white.png]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
> won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of any 
> other way to show "drag and drop"
>
> Author: IAmDarthMole
> Name: Drag n Drop JSON
>
> [image: Logo3.png]
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
>>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
>>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>>
>>
>> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What is 
>> I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
>> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>>
>> Just thoughts
>> TT
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] NoteTaking in Streams

[Saq Imtiaz]

@walt

For the flatten capability you only need the tiddlers numbered 1-5
In particular I would advise caution against using the  stream-row-template 
override.

If you drag and drop and import those 5 tiddlers, the flatten button will 
turn up at the bottom of the stream as long as the stream has some nodes.

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:

> Hey @Jan: Great to hear!
> So following these instructions , i have 
> installed everything on that page below the Streams and Relink plugins 
> (which i already have) -everything but the German language thingy.  That is 
> to say: additional tiddlers numbered 1-5, plus stream-row-template, the two 
> things under "A button to show the keyboard shortcuts," plus the 
> MobileTweaks... But for all that, i cannot get any new button to reveal, 
> nor does alt+f do anything useful ( on my mac, it enters the ƒ character).  
> Of course i've saved, refreshed, tried in different browsers, etc.
> Any idea what i might have got wrong, or what else must i do, to get this 
> add on working?
>
> /walt
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:42:47 PM UTC+1 Jan wrote:
>
>> Hi Walt, I am happy to announce that the streams to text is finally 
>> updated: https://szen.io/stream/ . Thanks to Saq who has gently helped 
>> me and provided hooks within the plugin, that make it fun tinkering with 
>> the plugin, this version should be more future-proof than the last ones
>> . 
>> As always: Backup before using it to recompress the ideas, you collected 
>> with streams. 
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Jan
>>
> ... 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [UPDATE] uni-link pugin V2.1.0 released

[PMario]

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:28:05 PM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

... I would not be surprised if there were data sets one could import for 
> English at least to search for equivalents. 
>

You are right, there are javascript libraries that know how to handle 
singular / plural rules. The code is usually not very big. What makes up 
the size are the irregular rules, because they need to be hard-coded. .. 

https://github.com/plurals/pluralize/blob/master/pluralize.js ... is only 1 
of them and it only contains english rules. .. Just an example

-mario

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Re: [tw5] NoteTaking in Streams

[ludwa6]

Hey @Jan: Great to hear!
So following these instructions , i have installed 
everything on that page below the Streams and Relink plugins (which i 
already have) -everything but the German language thingy.  That is to say: 
additional tiddlers numbered 1-5, plus stream-row-template, the two things 
under "A button to show the keyboard shortcuts," plus the MobileTweaks... 
But for all that, i cannot get any new button to reveal, nor does alt+f do 
anything useful ( on my mac, it enters the ƒ character).  Of course i've 
saved, refreshed, tried in different browsers, etc.
Any idea what i might have got wrong, or what else must i do, to get this 
add on working?

/walt


On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:42:47 PM UTC+1 Jan wrote:

> Hi Walt, I am happy to announce that the streams to text is finally 
> updated: https://szen.io/stream/ . Thanks to Saq who has gently helped me 
> and provided hooks within the plugin, that make it fun tinkering with the 
> plugin, this version should be more future-proof than the last ones
> . 
> As always: Backup before using it to recompress the ideas, you collected 
> with streams. 
>
> Enjoy,
> Jan
>
... 

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[tw5] Re: Importing 600 Markdown files into TiddlyWiki: how to?

[PMario]

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 6:05:58 PM UTC+2 iv...@ivanferrero.it wrote:

> Thank you Tones for your reply.
> No I haven't tried drag and drop because of my fear to mess things up.
>

That's the reason why "backups" make me feel good ;)

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams

[arun babu]

Saq,

https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip-plugin/issues/35

Can you help regarding the first request mentioned in this issue.  That is
text clipped using tiddyclip from a webpage should be added as child nodes
of a single parent tiddler



On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 8:29 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hi Walt,
>
> Hopefully you will get input from people actually using Streams as to what
> works for them.
>
> One of the things I would dearly like to know is how many people are
> actually using Streams on a regular basis, and what their workflow looks
> like. My feeling is its a very small handful and I'll admit that probably
> influences how much time I devote to working on Streams.
>
>
>> But then: the result is a slew of tiddlers with long numeric IDs that,
>> tho nicely presented in the edit window as a clean hierarchal outline,
>> cannot be either flattened into a single tiddler, nor exported or even
>> copy/pasted into the tiddler body via any built-in affordance.  I've been
>> going the copy/paste way so far, but it's a hard road to travel, given any
>> significant length and/or complexity to your outline.
>>
>
> Have you considered any of the methods outlined here?
>  https://saqimtiaz.github.io/streams/#Working%20with%20streams%20tiddlers
>
> Now: plugin author Saq said essentially
>> 
>> that the only reason he hasn't built in any such affordance is that he
>>
> doesn't know what users want: a simple concatenation of the stream? a
>> hierarchial structure in some form?
>>
>
> It's a bit more than that. Each node in a stream is a tiddler and can have
> any content. Streams was originally envisioned not just for rapid note
> taking but also for the ability to divide your text into smaller tiddlers
> as you write/edit. As such it is difficult to envisage a single export
> format that would work for everyone's content.  However using the
> approaches outlined in the link above you can easily set up your own
> markdown export.
>
>
>
>> For me, the best (and simplest?) solution would be to convert the stream
>> to Markdown: each node being just a line of text preceded by a number of
>> asterisks (1->any) to reflect its level in the hierarchy.
>>
>
> The issue is that MD tiddlers will always be second class citizens in
> TiddlyWiki. I think in the long run this isn't going to be a feasible
> approach unless all you want to do is write your notes and export them
> outside of TiddlyWiki. Also note that while MD syntax does support
> multiline content in lists, TW markup does not ( at least not cleanly).
>
> As an aside, I think something like this unfulfilled experiment would suit
> your use case from what I know of it:
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/drA7IEx2Ng0/m/67pyPkgKBgAJ
> Before you ask, no plans to take that any further, in part due to the
> reasons outlined above.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
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[tw5] Re: Importing 600 Markdown files into TiddlyWiki: how to?

[Ivan Ferrero]

Thank you Tones for your reply.
No I haven't tried drag and drop because of my fear to mess things up.
After your tip I had a try and it works.
Thank you again.

Il giorno martedì 29 giugno 2021 alle 15:48:20 UTC+2 TW Tones ha scritto:

> Too easy, 
>
> But here is one question. Have you tried dragging and dropping you files 
> on your wiki? No - I did not think so?
>
> Or you can do this;
>
> Take a look at Browse Widget  
> Use the multiple form
> <$browse multiple/>
>
> Then click on the button and select one or more files, in windows the ctrl 
> and shift buttons are available to toggle files or select a range.
>
> If the file you import is a JSON of tiddler you get to choose which 
> tiddlers therein to import, otherwise just the files.
>
>
> Tones
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 18:45:54 UTC+10 iv...@ivanferrero.it wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>> I have about 600 files in Markdown language from my previous second brain 
>> I want to import into my already existing TiddlyWiki.
>> I want each file to be a Tiddler.
>> There are no backlinks in these files: only text.
>> How do I bulk import them?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] protected macros

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Jean-Pierre,
 This is quite common in other programming languages! It is also possible
in TW!
 Put all those sub-macros in another tiddler say $:/jean/macros/utility NOT
tagged with $:/tags/Macro
 In the main macro after definition line (header) \import
$:/jean/macros/utility

That's all! There are some good hints in TW-Scripts.

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 4:13 AM Jean-Pierre Rivière <
jn.pierre.rivi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In a tiddlers tagged as #:/tags/Macro there is a public macro. It requires
> other macros to achieve its goals, but these macros have no business being
> used elsewhere.
>
> If I declare these macros in the same tiddler, they are exported. Bad :-(
> To mitigate that, I have their name beginning with an underscore, meaning
> to me not to use them elsewhere.
>
> But if two differentss macros tiddler both define their own _subMacro,
> what _subMacro would be called? the one in the same tiddler or maybe yes,
> maybe not, we can't say. This is the real problem.
>
> same question if my macro tiddler has _myStuff macro and a non macro
> tiddler define a macro also called _myStuff and use it: which one would be
> called? That's a variation from the previous question.
>
> I know I can have _mySuff macro into a separate non macro tiddler, and
> \import it within my macro tiddler. That way my macro tiddler is 100%
> functionaal and _myStuff is not exported but creating another tiddler is a
> problem in itself: it's yet another tiddler, it's not that a good idea
> because it's only there for a single tiddler, and I would need to have a
> name for it. It would complexify my naming convention which is already a
> lengthy paper... and I would have to decide which idea is the one I shall
> get. to be honest, my macro fubar for the foo matter is in
> $:/user/foo/macros/fubar. So where should _sub4fubar be ?
> $:/user/foo/macros/fubar/private would do but then $:/user/foo/macros/fubar
> would both be a file and a directory, whis is a no go. So no way to store
> anything below the macro name. $:/user/foo/privateMacros/fubar perhaps?
> or  $:/user/foo/private/macros/fubar ? I could have some macro for a bar
> filter in $:/user/foo/private/filters/fubar but then I don't have the same
> meaning for macros there than in the $:/user/foo/macros/fubar where
> "macros" tells that here are macros but in $:/user/foo/private/macros/fubar
> "macros" tells that this concerns a macro tiddler  named fubar but could be
> whatever, not especially macros (altgough very likely macros). And when the
> macro has no sub macros, the naming convention shouuld be the same: do not
> complexify 100% for the 10%. This rules out a scheme like
> $:/user/foo/macros/fubar/fubar and $:/user/foo/macros/fubar/_sub4fubar
> which would otherwise answer the question (but being a very ugly beast).
>
> A suggestion: could we say that any macro whose name starts by _ or even
> __ for compatibility's sake, is not exported even within a macro tiddler?
>
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[tw5] Re: Importing 600 Markdown files into TiddlyWiki: how to?

[TW Tones]

Too easy, 

But here is one question. Have you tried dragging and dropping you files on 
your wiki? No - I did not think so?

Or you can do this;

Take a look at Browse Widget  
Use the multiple form
<$browse multiple/>

Then click on the button and select one or more files, in windows the ctrl 
and shift buttons are available to toggle files or select a range.

If the file you import is a JSON of tiddler you get to choose which 
tiddlers therein to import, otherwise just the files.


Tones



On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 18:45:54 UTC+10 iv...@ivanferrero.it wrote:

> Greetings,
> I have about 600 files in Markdown language from my previous second brain 
> I want to import into my already existing TiddlyWiki.
> I want each file to be a Tiddler.
> There are no backlinks in these files: only text.
> How do I bulk import them?
>
> Thank you!
>

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Re: [tw5] NoteTaking in Streams

[TW Tones]

Saq,

You certainly have *"motivate[d] and inspire[d] others"* - me!

Tones

On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 19:06:11 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> It seems the *breadcrumbs feature* could be split out into a generic 
>> plugin itself...
>>
>
> @Tones please feel free to do so. It is only about ten lines of wikitext. 
> As I've previously mentioned, the initial motivation for writing Streams 
> and doing so almost entirely in wikitext was to motivate and inspire others 
> in terms of what was possible in wikitext.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>

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[tw5] Re: protected macros

[TW Tones]

Jean Pierre,

The tag $:/tags/macro is used when displaying tiddlers to include the 
macros you defined in each tiddler as its display. This is a global macro.

Another alternative is to use the  ImportVariablesWidget 
 which allows to bring in 
definitions from elsewhere without them being global. It allows you to use 
a filter so you can also use your own tag such as  $:/tags/NewMacro. Of 
course the use of the import variable widget could be in a tiddler tagged 
view template in which case it may as well be global.

I am not sure I understand the rest of your post, please review these 
references and consider reframing the question.

My IT Support experience suggests to me, you are asking us to solve one 
problem you came across, perhaps while trying to solve another problem, and 
in fact you need to solve the first problem, not the latest. Lets call this 
a root cause we need to find.

Regards
Tones
On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 21:53:25 UTC+10 jn.pierr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Le mardi 29 juin 2021 à 02:47:35 UTC+2, PMario a écrit :
>
>>
>> > A suggestion: could we say that any macro whose name starts by _ or 
>> even __ for compatibility's sake, is not exported even within a macro 
>> tiddler? 
>>
>> *No*, because this would be not backwards compatible. But you can use 
>> this convention if you like, but the system won't enforce it. 
>>
>> The way it is designed is consistent but not always obvious.
>>
>>
> Today, global macros are tagged $:/tags/Macro but let's say I add an other 
> tag $:/tags/NewMacro which is similar to the previous one, would it not be 
> OK to have for NewMacro only that macros starting by _ are not global? That 
> would not destroy any old code.
>
> Whatever, now that I know that my locally defined macros are *always* 
> prioritary, the need is lesser.
>
> Many thanks for all your valuable help Mario!
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [UPDATE] uni-link pugin V2.1.0 released

[TW Tones]

Folks,

This issue, with the different forms of a word such as foot and feet when 
it comes to searching or linking is no doubt a problem that has occurred 
before. I would not be surprised if there were data sets one could import 
for English at least to search for equivalents. Once found a simple click 
could commit it to a local version of the larger dataset, such that you 
could remove the larger data set before publishing your wiki (or not 
including in the published wiki) and have the feature continue to work.

Tones

On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 08:51:47 UTC+10 Si wrote:

> Ahh OK that shouldn't have confused me as much as it did...
>
> >>> The problem is, that I would need to add a generic way. It may work 
> for your, but an other user would probably have fun to link to [[foot]] ;) 
> ... 
>
> IMO this isn't that much of a problem. If the filter was added by the 
> user, they would understand the limitations of it.
>
> On Monday, 28 June 2021 at 23:41:39 UTC+1 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 9:13:16 PM UTC+2 Si wrote:
>>
>>> >>> The problem is, that I would need to add a generic way. It may work 
>>> for your, but an other user would probably have fun to link to [[foot]] ;) 
>>> ... 
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here! Is "[[foot]]" an 
>>> autocorrect error?
>>>
>>
>> foot -> feet ... It was just an example where a "hack" breaks down. 
>>
>> I was thinking about the "irregular" forms that are easy for humans but 
>> problematic for algorithms. 
>>
>> -m
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: protected macros

[Jean-Pierre Rivière]

Le mardi 29 juin 2021 à 02:47:35 UTC+2, PMario a écrit :

>
> > A suggestion: could we say that any macro whose name starts by _ or even 
> __ for compatibility's sake, is not exported even within a macro tiddler? 
>
> *No*, because this would be not backwards compatible. But you can use 
> this convention if you like, but the system won't enforce it. 
>
> The way it is designed is consistent but not always obvious.
>
>
Today, global macros are tagged $:/tags/Macro but let's say I add an other 
tag $:/tags/NewMacro which is similar to the previous one, would it not be 
OK to have for NewMacro only that macros starting by _ are not global? That 
would not destroy any old code.

Whatever, now that I know that my locally defined macros are *always* 
prioritary, the need is lesser.

Many thanks for all your valuable help Mario!

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Re: [tw5] NoteTaking in Streams

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hi Walt, I am happy to announce that the streams to text is finally
updated: https://szen.io/stream/ . Thanks to Saq who has gently helped me
and provided hooks within the plugin, that make it fun tinkering with the
plugin, this version should be more future-proof than the last ones
.
As always: Backup before using it to recompress the ideas, you collected
with streams.

Enjoy,
Jan



Am Do., 24. Juni 2021 um 15:22 Uhr schrieb ludwa6 :

> Picking up where this earlier thread
>  left off, i am
> following Saq's advice
>  to
> start another conversation on the more specific question of HOW best to use
> -and perhaps adapt- the Streams plugin, to make TW into a great tool for
> not only "intertwingly" NoteTaking (which it certainly is), but also great
> for agile NoteTaking, as defined in aforementioned thread.
>
> Having just installed the plugin (Streams 0.2.18) in my TiddlyDesktop
> instance, i am already fairly drunk on the power of having what feels like
> a full-fledged outliner *within* a tiddler, where i can bang out a stream
> of bullet points, promote & demote, indent & outdent, etc... All as fast as
> i can type the keystrokes, or drag on mobile.
>
> But then: the result is a slew of tiddlers with long numeric IDs that, tho
> nicely presented in the edit window as a clean hierarchal outline, cannot
> be either flattened into a single tiddler, nor exported or even copy/pasted
> into the tiddler body via any built-in affordance.  I've been going the
> copy/paste way so far, but it's a hard road to travel, given any
> significant length and/or complexity to your outline.
>
> Now: plugin author Saq said essentially
> 
> that the only reason he hasn't built in any such affordance is that he
> doesn't know what users want: a simple concatenation of the stream? a
> hierarchial structure in some form?
>
> For me, the best (and simplest?) solution would be to convert the stream
> to Markdown: each node being just a line of text preceded by a number of
> asterisks (1->any) to reflect its level in the hierarchy.  This could be
> interpreted & displayed correctly in any tiddler that is formatted
> Markdown; TW has affordances for this -as does Github (.md is default
> format of ReadMe files there) and most web publishing & word processing
> apps you can find these days.  Indeed, Saq indicated
> 
> that a  .md<->.tid converter would be no big deal (for him, at least :-) to
> create; this would enable not only "flattening" of a Stream in such manner,
> but also importing a .md file as presentable tiddler content.  Now THAT
> would be cool, IMHO... But that's just me, so far.
>
> SO this is to ask all of you with any experience of Streams plugin: Can
> you relate to the need i am expressing?  Or have you found a good way
> "flatten" your streams, and integrate your Streams content properly into a
> TW instance?  If so, anything you might care to share in terms of workflow
> and/or code would be most appreciated.
>
> NB: I did learn in the course of that earlier thread about this 
> Streams-to-text
> solution  (thanks @Si for the pointer), but Saq
> warned
> 
> that the plugin (actually a microAddOn/Mod, according to author Jan) is not
> compatible with current version of Streams as it stands, though he believes
> that Jan is working on it.  So i'm holding off on installing that for now,
> but would love to hear any news or user reports about that.
>
> /walt
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Re: [tw5] Re: Discussion: Tiddler titles for sources

[Si Si]

@Springer

On the other hand, if you like using the off-the-shelf sidebar search
> function (as I do, especially if I publish for students), that may give you
> a reason to stick with a longer concatenation: if the title field holds 
> *Beauvoir,
> Ethics of Ambiguity (1962)* you can always easily find it even if you
> only remember that the source has "ambiguity" in it. ;)


I didn't actually think of that, definitely an advantage of using full
names.

I've recently gravitated toward approaching the title field with
> author-date brevity, as is used in interlinear citation: *Beauvoir 1962*


This definitely has advantages in terms of brevity, but my intuition is
that I would find only including the author's name more difficult to
remember.

 *but* I have the freedom to custom-abbreviate titles that are
> inconveniently long.


I think I am leaning towards taking a similar approach, but with the main
titles rather than captions. Something like *Ethics of Ambiguity* is short
and easy to remember, but something like *Genome-wide CRISPR–Cas9 screening
reveals ubiquitous T cell cancer targeting... *is going to be much easier
to manipulate in your mind if you come up with a new label for it.

@TiddlyTweater

I am not fully sure this a TW issue, so much as a WHAT IS MY CITATION
> scheme? issue :-)


Not quite. It's more about labels than citations. I'm interested in what is
a good way to label sources so that I can most easily manipulate them in my
thinking. Again this all goes back to "Idea APIs".

@Charlie

If you do want something to make it easy to find titles while creating
> links, you might find the Edit-CompText
>  plugin really helpful.


Thanks, I already use this plugin!

I would say that the titles for me are less about being easy to find with
TW tools, and more about making sources easy to think about and pull out of
my brain, if that makes any sense. Hence why I'm questioning whether using
the 'official' name is necessarily always the best option.

I don't know for sure, but I just have a suspicion that shorter names make
sources easier to think about as concepts/ideas. In conversation people
often shorten the names of things when discussing them (e.g. "Empire" and
"Jedi" for Star Wars 2 + 3) and obviously this just saves time, but I think
there may be cognitive benefits of compressing names in this way when
discussing sources.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 01:09, Charlie Veniot  wrote:

>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 1:51:05 PM UTC-3 Si wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been thinking about this and two possible advantages occur to me:
>>
>>- Shorter titles are quicker to type when linking from other tiddlers.
>>- More importantly, perhaps they are easier to remember, or 'lock
>>onto'? For example I will probably more easily be able to pull
>>"DeliberatePractice1993" from my brain than I would "The Role of 
>> Deliberate
>>Practice..." This relates to titles functioning like APIs
>>.
>>
>>
>>
> If you do want something to make it easy to find titles while creating
> links, you might find the Edit-CompText
>  plugin really helpful.
>
>
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Re: [tw5] NoteTaking in Streams

[Saq Imtiaz]

>
> It seems the *breadcrumbs feature* could be split out into a generic 
> plugin itself...
>

@Tones please feel free to do so. It is only about ten lines of wikitext. 
As I've previously mentioned, the initial motivation for writing Streams 
and doing so almost entirely in wikitext was to motivate and inspire others 
in terms of what was possible in wikitext.

Cheers,
Saq

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[tw5] Importing 600 Markdown files into TiddlyWiki: how to?

[Ivan Ferrero]

Greetings,
I have about 600 files in Markdown language from my previous second brain I 
want to import into my already existing TiddlyWiki.
I want each file to be a Tiddler.
There are no backlinks in these files: only text.
How do I bulk import them?

Thank you!

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