[tw5] Re: Editing TiddlyWiki files on Android

[LDL]

Hello FrD,
thank you for suggesting the webdav method on Android: it works very well 
and is pretty close to what AndTidWiki was. Probably one of the best 
options for saving single file wikis on Android.

Josiah, thanks for the info about the destiny of AndTidWiki: let's hope the 
original developer decides to do something useful with the source code!

Il giorno mercoledì 11 luglio 2018 09:56:26 UTC+2, FrD ha scritto:
>
> Hi Luis,
>
> The method in my previous message is not very smart ! You'd better use the 
> webdav server for what it's meant to do :
> - start the server
> - choose the root directory (SdCard for me)
> - open a new tab in Chrome
> - type http://localhost/8080/ in the address bar
> - navigate through the directory structure until you find your local files 
> (you'd better locate them before of course !)
>
> Regards
>
> FrD
>
> Le mercredi 11 juillet 2018 09:15:51 UTC+2, FrD a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Luis,
>>
>> First you start the webdav server.
>> Then you have to type yourself the address (http://localhost:8080/... 
>> etc) in the address bar of your browser, at least for the directory where 
>> your local files live.
>> That's the cumbersome part as the path to the directory is often a bit 
>> complicated !
>> That way the directory is served by the webdav server.
>> Then by clicking on a link of a TW, the file opens in the browser ; the 
>> file is also served by the webdav server. Or you press on the link and 
>> choose "open in a new tab". It's a better way as you keep your tab with 
>> your directory always open.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> FrD
>>
>> Le mercredi 11 juillet 2018 08:41:12 UTC+2, Luís de Sousa a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi again FrD,
>>>
>>> I am able to point the browser to the correct location through the 
>>> WebDAV server. However, the browser then opens the file itself, which of 
>>> course is pointless.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 10 July 2018 22:49:46 UTC+2, FrD wrote:

 Hi Luis,

 Some more words.
 You need to find where the local copies of the files you synchronize 
 are, and then to choose in the webdav parameters the root directory.
 In my case (dropbox), I chose SdCard (internal memory) as root 
 directory for webdav.
 My dropbox synchronized files are in SdCard : 
 Android/data/com.dropbox.android/files/...

 Then in Chrome I typed the url to the directory where my files live :
 http://localhost:8080/Android/data/com.dropbos.android/files/...
 I keep this tab open and when I want to open or edit a TW in this 
 directory, I press ot the file link and open  it in another tab (after 
 having launched webdav).

 Hope this helps.

 Regards

 FrD

 Le mardi 10 juillet 2018 22:35:27 UTC+2, FrD a écrit :
>
> Hi Luis,
>
> if you really use the webdav server, the url looks like :
>
> http://localhost:8080/Android/data/...
>
> Is it the case ?
>
> Regards
>
> FrD
>
> Le mardi 10 juillet 2018 11:36:00 UTC+2, Luís de Sousa a écrit :
>>
>> Hi FrD, thank you for the reply.
>>
>> I installed WebDAV server and fired it up. I am able to access if 
>> from the browser and navigate to the ownCLoud folder, however, if I open 
>> a 
>> TiddlyWiki file the behaviour is the same as opening it directly in the 
>> browser (i.e. buttons do not work).
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 10 July 2018 09:41:57 UTC+2, FrD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Luis,
>>>
>>> I'm using WebDAV serveur (here 
>>> )
>>>  
>>> to edit TWs on my android phone. My TWs are stored on Dropbox and 
>>> synced 
>>> with my phone via the dropbox app..
>>> It works fine and should work with owncloud. Or at least it's worth 
>>> a try.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> FrD
>>>
>>> Le lundi 9 juillet 2018 20:24:22 UTC+2, Luís de Sousa a écrit :

 Hi all,

 I am new to TiddlyWiki, I appreciate very much its technology 
 agnostic paradigm and am convinced it is the right tool to manage my 
 notes. 
 I also need to access my notes from both my computer (Linux) and my 
 phone 
 (Android).

 I have successfully created Wiki files with Firefox and 
 TiddlyDesktop on my computer, that are then automatically synchronised 
 to a 
 ownCloud server. On my phone the ownCloud client synchronises these 
 files 
 correctly and I am able to open them with the browser. However, I am 
 unable 
 to edit the Wiki files with either Firefox or Chrome on the phone.

 How can I edit on Android these TiddlyWiki files synchronised from 
 ownCloud?

 Thank you.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Editing TiddlyWiki files on Android

[LDL]

I have the same problem on Android 8.0. The AndTidWiki application is quite 
old and even if working correctly with local folders and files it's not 
detected by the system as a possible candidate to view the html files and 
so it's not shown in the open with dialog of many file-sync apps (I tried 
box and onedrive). On Dropbox it appears as a candidate, but then gives 
another erro 
r, 
probably related to the way Dropbox handles the internal storage.

Il giorno martedì 10 luglio 2018 11:27:27 UTC+2, Luís de Sousa ha scritto:
>
> Hi Mark, thank you for your reply.
>
> Could you please provide more details to your answer? When I tap on a HTML 
> file AndTidWiki does not appear as an option in the "open with..." menu.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Monday, 9 July 2018 21:10:08 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> My solution, but may not work on newer phones, is to run the AndTidWIki 
>> app. (well, I'm using dropbox and not ownCloud). You click on the file and 
>> then choose AndTidWiki to run. 
>>
>> Good luck,
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-7, Luís de Sousa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am new to TiddlyWiki, I appreciate very much its technology agnostic 
>>> paradigm and am convinced it is the right tool to manage my notes. I also 
>>> need to access my notes from both my computer (Linux) and my phone 
>>> (Android).
>>>
>>> I have successfully created Wiki files with Firefox and TiddlyDesktop on 
>>> my computer, that are then automatically synchronised to a ownCloud server. 
>>> On my phone the ownCloud client synchronises these files correctly and I am 
>>> able to open them with the browser. However, I am unable to edit the Wiki 
>>> files with either Firefox or Chrome on the phone.
>>>
>>> How can I edit on Android these TiddlyWiki files synchronised from 
>>> ownCloud?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Andtidwiki and dropbox not working on android 8.0

[LDL]

Hi Wil, thanks for the suggestions. I checked the permissions and they were 
already enabled. 

Ton, thank you for confirming the problem; manually moving the wiki file to 
the andtidwiki folder on local storage works also for me and could be a 
partial solution.

All the best.

Il giorno lunedì 2 luglio 2018 17:43:11 UTC+2, Ton Gerner ha scritto:
>
> Hi LDL,
>
> Just to confirm your findings:
>
> * With Android 6 I can load/edit/save a file from Dropbox
> * With Android 8 I get the 'File not found ...' error.
>
> Permissions for storage are enabled (by default), so that cannot be the 
> problem.
>
> As such AndTidWiki works: When I transfer a TW2 or TW5 file from my Linux 
> PC to the internal storage of the phone (/storage/emulated/0/andtidwiki), 
> it will be displayed when I open AndTidWiki and I can edit and save it.
>
> Sorry, I have no solution for the combination Dropbox an AndTidWiki. May 
> be others have ideas.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>

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[tw5] Andtidwiki and dropbox not working on android 8.0

[LDL]

I recently upgraded to an android smartphone (samsung S9+) running android 
8.0 and found that I can't open files in andtidwiki anymore. Previously 
with android 6 I was just storing my single html wikis in a folder in 
Dropbox and opening them on the phone with andtidwiki. All was working fine 
and I was able to save back any modification. Now the same workflow doesn't 
work anymore and the andtiwiki app crashes complaining about "File not 
found. Please check /filecache/...". I guess it's a problem related to the 
app being very old, the developer site is offline and the app seems to be 
abandoned... Any other one having the same issue? 

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[tw5] Re: import from Org-Mode

[LDL]

The author of the exporter from org-mode to tiddlywiki 
<https://github.com/dfeich/org8-wikiexporters> has just fixed the problem. 
Works fine with the latest version from GitHub.

Il giorno martedì 26 giugno 2018 16:37:16 UTC+2, LDL ha scritto:
>
> I have the same problem on my machine. Looks like :export-block is no 
> longer supported in new versions of org-mode. I opened an issue on the 
> github project page 
> <https://github.com/dfeich/org8-wikiexporters/issues/3>, should be easy 
> to fix.
>
> Il giorno martedì 26 giugno 2018 14:06:34 UTC+2, Shay Shaked ha scritto:
>>
>> This looks very promising LDL, but it gives me an error (unknown keyword: 
>> export-block). This is in line 47 in ox-tiddly.el. I'm no programmer, but 
>> it looks like "export block" is outdated and needs to be updated to 
>> whatever the new syntax is.
>>
>> As for the discussion going on with Tony and Mark, it is interesting... 
>> but not sure it's part of this topic (which is just how to make it work?). 
>> So I will include my thoughts here, but I have a feeling this might lead 
>> us in a different direction :p
>>
>> Text-slicer is news to me. It's close but doesn't exactly address the 
>> issue which is the difference in syntax. Further, my Org files are already 
>> usually rather short and built  up as tiddler, it's not a matter of 
>> breaking them down but from changing what would be a bullet point (*) to a 
>> header (!) in TW. 
>>
>> There seems like there should be a way where I can export to HTML (easy 
>> enough to do with Org) and then import as tiddler with TW? Does TW do that 
>> well, assuming the HTML does not include anything too "fancy"? 
>>
>> Again, all I need is handling of headers, links, and that's it mostly. I 
>> will gladly add tags (that are different on my TW anyway) and provide a 
>> name for the tiddler myself. The format is so close. It's just that typing 
>> in Org-mode is much easier and effective, for me,  and comes with the added 
>> benefits of spell checker (doesn't always work in TW). 
>>
>> I can talk more about the benefits of writing in Org-mode, but I think 
>> that's outside the scope of this discussion -- to each their own. That 
>> said, I wouldn't recommend anyone try Org-mode just because they want to 
>> write in TW... that's crazy talk. There must be other reasons. 
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 4:23:13 AM UTC-4, LDL wrote:
>>>
>>> You can try this exporter: https://github.com/dfeich/org8-wikiexporters 
>>> that should give you a tid file via the standard export interface of 
>>> org-mode
>>>
>>> Il giorno martedì 26 giugno 2018 03:21:30 UTC+2, Shay Shaked ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking around and I see a lot of Emacs references, a few less (but 
>>>> still a lot) Org-Mode references, but I don't see something that answers 
>>>> the question itself (yet): is there a way to export from Org-mode to TW. 
>>>>
>>>> I started playing around with Org-mode recently and the writing 
>>>> experience is great. I would really like to be able to export to TW (tid) 
>>>> format. The closet I saw was this 
>>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Editing%20Tiddlers%20with%20Emacs> on 
>>>> tiddlywiki.com but I'm not sure how to actually use it. It doesn't 
>>>> font-lock (highlight) anything in the syntax really. Besides, I would 
>>>> *really 
>>>> *like to be able to write in Org-mode, if it exists. 
>>>>
>>>> So... anyone here familiar with this? Anyone here uses Org to write and 
>>>> work with TW at the same time? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: import from Org-Mode

[LDL]

I have the same problem on my machine. Looks like :export-block is no 
longer supported in new versions of org-mode. I opened an issue on the 
github project page <https://github.com/dfeich/org8-wikiexporters/issues/3>, 
should be easy to fix.

Il giorno martedì 26 giugno 2018 14:06:34 UTC+2, Shay Shaked ha scritto:
>
> This looks very promising LDL, but it gives me an error (unknown keyword: 
> export-block). This is in line 47 in ox-tiddly.el. I'm no programmer, but 
> it looks like "export block" is outdated and needs to be updated to 
> whatever the new syntax is.
>
> As for the discussion going on with Tony and Mark, it is interesting... 
> but not sure it's part of this topic (which is just how to make it work?). 
> So I will include my thoughts here, but I have a feeling this might lead 
> us in a different direction :p
>
> Text-slicer is news to me. It's close but doesn't exactly address the 
> issue which is the difference in syntax. Further, my Org files are already 
> usually rather short and built  up as tiddler, it's not a matter of 
> breaking them down but from changing what would be a bullet point (*) to a 
> header (!) in TW. 
>
> There seems like there should be a way where I can export to HTML (easy 
> enough to do with Org) and then import as tiddler with TW? Does TW do that 
> well, assuming the HTML does not include anything too "fancy"? 
>
> Again, all I need is handling of headers, links, and that's it mostly. I 
> will gladly add tags (that are different on my TW anyway) and provide a 
> name for the tiddler myself. The format is so close. It's just that typing 
> in Org-mode is much easier and effective, for me,  and comes with the added 
> benefits of spell checker (doesn't always work in TW). 
>
> I can talk more about the benefits of writing in Org-mode, but I think 
> that's outside the scope of this discussion -- to each their own. That 
> said, I wouldn't recommend anyone try Org-mode just because they want to 
> write in TW... that's crazy talk. There must be other reasons. 
>
>
>  
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 4:23:13 AM UTC-4, LDL wrote:
>>
>> You can try this exporter: https://github.com/dfeich/org8-wikiexporters 
>> that should give you a tid file via the standard export interface of 
>> org-mode
>>
>> Il giorno martedì 26 giugno 2018 03:21:30 UTC+2, Shay Shaked ha scritto:
>>>
>>> I'm looking around and I see a lot of Emacs references, a few less (but 
>>> still a lot) Org-Mode references, but I don't see something that answers 
>>> the question itself (yet): is there a way to export from Org-mode to TW. 
>>>
>>> I started playing around with Org-mode recently and the writing 
>>> experience is great. I would really like to be able to export to TW (tid) 
>>> format. The closet I saw was this 
>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Editing%20Tiddlers%20with%20Emacs> on 
>>> tiddlywiki.com but I'm not sure how to actually use it. It doesn't 
>>> font-lock (highlight) anything in the syntax really. Besides, I would 
>>> *really 
>>> *like to be able to write in Org-mode, if it exists. 
>>>
>>> So... anyone here familiar with this? Anyone here uses Org to write and 
>>> work with TW at the same time? 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: import from Org-Mode

[LDL]

You can try this exporter: https://github.com/dfeich/org8-wikiexporters 
that should give you a tid file via the standard export interface of 
org-mode

Il giorno martedì 26 giugno 2018 03:21:30 UTC+2, Shay Shaked ha scritto:
>
> I'm looking around and I see a lot of Emacs references, a few less (but 
> still a lot) Org-Mode references, but I don't see something that answers 
> the question itself (yet): is there a way to export from Org-mode to TW. 
>
> I started playing around with Org-mode recently and the writing experience 
> is great. I would really like to be able to export to TW (tid) format. The 
> closet I saw was this 
>  on 
> tiddlywiki.com but I'm not sure how to actually use it. It doesn't 
> font-lock (highlight) anything in the syntax really. Besides, I would *really 
> *like to be able to write in Org-mode, if it exists. 
>
> So... anyone here familiar with this? Anyone here uses Org to write and 
> work with TW at the same time? 
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is it possible to export tiddlers to .doc

[LDL]

Another option is to export your tiddler/tiddlers 
 to 
html and then use pandoc  to converto to docx or any 
other of the formats supported by pandoc. When exporting to a Word document 
through pandoc the tiddlers titles are converted into Word headings; from 
there you can use Word's outline view to outline/organize your content. 

Regards,
Lorenzo

Il giorno lunedì 30 aprile 2018 08:24:30 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston ha scritto:
>
> I’ve got good results exporting static HTML and then renaming the file to 
> .doc; MS Word will happily open it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
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>
>
> On 30 Apr 2018, at 02:11, TonyM  
> wrote:
>
> Lelag,
>
> I was going to answer not really to my knowledge. However I just printed a 
> tiddler to a PDF file and then opened it in Word 2016.
>
> Its not perfect but it is 90% of the way.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 3:31:42 AM UTC+10, kelsang sherab wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to export tiddlers to .doc?
>> if so how?
>> thanks
>>
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[tw5] Re: How to add a tag to a tiddler via a SelectWidget?

[LDL]

Thank you Matthew,
that's a nice solution as well!

Il giorno martedì 17 aprile 2018 16:58:36 UTC+2, Matthew Lauber ha scritto:
>
> Something you can consider is using the multiple flag on your select ala
>
> <$select multiple field='tags'>
> <$list filter='[tag[prj]]'>
> <$view field='title'/>
> 
> 
>
> This will render as a multiple select with the already present tags 
> highlighted.  You can add or remove tags by using the standard ctrl-click 
> to select an additional item.  
>
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:28:49 AM UTC-4, LDL wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I would like to add a tag to the current tiddler via a SelectWidget that 
>> offers a filtered list of tags/tiddlers.
>>
>> The filter selects all the tiddlers tagged with "prj" and I would like 
>> the current tiddler to be tagged with the selected item (one of the 
>> tiddlers tagged with "prj")
>>
>> The solution I've come up so far is the following:
>>
>> <$select  field='tags'>
>> <$list filter='[tag[prj]]'>
>> <$view field='title'/>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> My current problem with this solutions is that all the tags are removed 
>> and substituted with the one derived from the SelectWidget. I would like, 
>> instead, to retain all the existing tag and just add the selection from the 
>> SelectWidget to the tags.
>>
>> Any idea on how to achieve the desired behavior?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lorenzo
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to add a tag to a tiddler via a SelectWidget?

[LDL]

Thank you Jed,
doing it in two steps is fine for my purposes and works as expected, but 
I'll explore also your widgets.

Best wishes,
Lorenzo

Il giorno sabato 14 aprile 2018 14:40:20 UTC+2, Jed Carty ha scritto:
>
> I have worked on this a bit before but I don't think I ever got a good 
> solution. Doing it in two steps works but it isn't quite as nice to use.
>
> The widgets I made are available here, but I haven't tested them a lot.
>
> https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/InvokingActions/
>
>
> if you want to do two steps it is like this (select the tag from the 
> select and then click the button to add it):
>
> <$select  tiddler='$:/temp/AddTag/tags' field='text'>
> <$list filter='[tag[prj]]'>
> <$view field='title'/>
> 
> <$fieldmangler> <$button>Add tag<$action-sendmessage 
> $message='tm-add-tag' 
> $param={{$:/temp/AddTag/tags}}/>
>
>

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[tw5] How to add a tag to a tiddler via a SelectWidget?

[LDL]

Hello everyone,
I would like to add a tag to the current tiddler via a SelectWidget that 
offers a filtered list of tags/tiddlers.

The filter selects all the tiddlers tagged with "prj" and I would like the 
current tiddler to be tagged with the selected item (one of the tiddlers 
tagged with "prj")

The solution I've come up so far is the following:

<$select  field='tags'>
<$list filter='[tag[prj]]'>
<$view field='title'/>



My current problem with this solutions is that all the tags are removed and 
substituted with the one derived from the SelectWidget. I would like, 
instead, to retain all the existing tag and just add the selection from the 
SelectWidget to the tags.

Any idea on how to achieve the desired behavior?

Thanks,
Lorenzo

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[tw] Re: History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[LDL]

Hello,
I've been a longtime silent reader of this forum and zettelkasten 
practitioner.

Thank you Josiah for your explanation and for the stimulating perspective 
on index cards. In my experience TiddlyWiki can be used as a valid digital 
zettelkasten. The software itself is perfectly capable of implementing all 
the basic requirements of the system, with some added bonuses like 
backlinks, lists and transclusion. The guys at https://zettelkasten.de/ 
make a big deal about adopting a plain text format for the sake of data 
longevity, but as long as I'm able to export all my tiddlers as json file 
(easy to parse and reuse with some basic coding skills) I'm perfectly fine 
with storing my data in TiddlyWiki. My only concern, as of today, is 
reaching the limit in the number of tiddlers and size of the file that 
TiddlyWiki can manage, but for now everything is working smoothly.

To anyone interested in the subject I highly recommend having a look at the 
blog 
of Manfred Kuehn 
, who also 
translated into English two essays of Luhmann  
himself about the Zettelkasten system. There is also the recent book 
by  Sönke Ahrens  that offers a detailed and 
thorough explanation of the method along with a lot useful resources about 
note-taking and knowledge work.

Regards,
Lorenzo
 

Il giorno sabato 31 marzo 2018 06:11:39 UTC+2, TonyM ha scritto:
>
> Josiah, 
>
> "Yes, but", - That is my answer to the question asked.
>
> The but comes in because it can be A Card-Index System or more. Most 
> algorithms, such as the card-index can be implemented in TiddlyWiki but 
> they can go way beyond, and any algorithm can be developed with continuous 
> improvement. This is a key reason I have committed to TiddlyWiki as my 
> platform of choice. Algorithms that have stood the test of time, have being 
> refined by practice and wisdom  are very good starting points. In fact I 
> moved to TiddlyWiki in the early days to escape the limitations of a 
> sophisticated personal information and task management system that was on 
> paper, yet really powerful.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:07:03 AM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Mark S. asked ... 
>>
>>> Perhaps with your background you could explain Zettelkasten. There seems 
>>> to be an almost cult-like culture around a system of taking notes (by 
>>> software or index cards). https://zettelkasten.de/ .
>>>
>>
>> Mark S. asked me that interesting question in another thread, started by 
>> Mat, comparing TW to other "similar software". I been thinking about Mark's 
>> question. I wasn't sure if people here are interested in this, but then I 
>> thought well, hey, they might be ...
>>
>> "Zettelkästen" is just the German for "card indices" in general. 
>> https://zettelkasten.de/ is a specific "Zettelkästen Methodology" 
>> derived from the work done originally (on physical cards) by the brilliant 
>> prolific sociologist and systems theorist Niklas Luhmann.
>>
>> He was one of several social scientists who prefigured issues that would 
>> come up in the development of software for "soft data" and "emergent 
>> structure". The point being that in the social sciences, a lot of the time, 
>> theories/patterns emerge during research, so you need flexibility--its not 
>> like hard science which is more driven by strict prior hypotheses that have 
>> clear "data slots"--nor is it like birth & death records, nor address books 
>> etc. In short, social science (especially ideographic fieldwork) needs an 
>> "open" way to record information. 
>>
>> The PRACTICAL issue for the Luhmann style Zettelkästeners, in software, 
>> was (1) how to maintain the integrity of the record (the card) AND (2) 
>> relate that record to other records (the cards) in an EMERGENT way. In 
>> other words NOT be a strict database that only had determined prior slots 
>> (hypothesised significant). At the time of emergence of such work it was a 
>> hot issue.
>>
>> The "Zettelkästen Methodology" is interesting and clearly is still used 
>> to good effect. Not so remarked upon, but significant, is that quite a lot 
>> of the sense-making in it is EXTERNAL to the computer. Its about guesses 
>> external to the data itself to find pattern. 
>>
>> Luhmann make two Zettelkästen (manual, physical) in his life, with 
>> thousands of records each, and they informed and structured most all of his 
>> voluminous writing. It worked. But I'm not convinced it worked without HIM 
>> doing "in head" most of the cross-connection work.
>>
>> Zettelkästen Methodology now looks a bit like a "blast from the past" ... 
>> I mean the oft discussion of the vitality of "Tags" OVER 
>> "Topics/Categories" is already a done deal on the net nowadays. So in that 
>> sense its a bit like a Philosophy of Knowledge that's done it job already.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> On the comparison of TiddlyWiki and Card