[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[progetti]

*One of the things in TW is how it looks easy, but isn't so always. its 
very power and flexibility can leave one in a desert of uncertainty. That 
is my experience of it.*

On Friday, 13 May 2016 20:57:54 UTC+2, wolfsong wrote:
>
> Mark
>
> This fixed it but after testing it again I really need to dig into this 
> solution and make it work for me. The way I'm doing it creates the tabs but 
> not the actual tiddlers and I may have a case where one of the subsections 
> won't be required. This still helps though because now I know how to make 
> what I was thinking work and I'm getting closer to what I need.
>
> Thanks
> Cristov
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 5:39:12 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I think you want a macro like this:
>>
>> \define monitoringtabs()
>> <> [[$(currentTiddler)$_Devices]] [[$(currentTiddler)$_Frequency]] 
>> [[$(currentTiddler)$_Script Name]] [[$(currentTiddler)$_Monitoring 
>> Criteria]] [[$(currentTiddler)$_Alert Trigger Criteria]] 
>> [[$(currentTiddler)$_Immediate Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
>> \end
>>
>> put that in a tiddler with the tag $:/tags/Macro so that it is globally 
>> available.
>> and then invoke it like this in each of your "parent" tiddlers:
>>
>> <>
>>
>>
>> As Mat mentions, the tabs macro will use the caption field for the tab 
>> name, so set up each of your child tiddlers with a caption name that 
>> reflects the intended suffix.
>>
>> HTH
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, wolfsong wrote:
>>>
>>> After looking through the forum a bit I think I need something that's a 
>>> close to this 
>>> 
>>>  where 
>>> I have a template for a tabbed document that separates each section into 
>>> it's own tiddler. I'm just not certain how to pass the name of to the 
>>> sections and do this as a template. I have a macro that sorta works in that 
>>> it creates the tabs when called
>>>
>>> \define monitoringtabs(<>)
>>> <>> Name]] [[Monitoring Criteria]] [[Alert Trigger Criteria]] [[Immediate 
>>> Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> What I'd like the template to actually do is call the macro and create 
>>> the tabs but with the naming convention of Parent Title: Description, 
>>> Parent Title: Frequency, etc. but only show the suffix for each of the 
>>> tabs. Is that possible?
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[wolfsong]

Mark

This fixed it but after testing it again I really need to dig into this 
solution and make it work for me. The way I'm doing it creates the tabs but 
not the actual tiddlers and I may have a case where one of the subsections 
won't be required. This still helps though because now I know how to make 
what I was thinking work and I'm getting closer to what I need.

Thanks
Cristov

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 5:39:12 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think you want a macro like this:
>
> \define monitoringtabs()
> < [[$(currentTiddler)$_Devices]] [[$(currentTiddler)$_Frequency]] 
> [[$(currentTiddler)$_Script Name]] [[$(currentTiddler)$_Monitoring 
> Criteria]] [[$(currentTiddler)$_Alert Trigger Criteria]] 
> [[$(currentTiddler)$_Immediate Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
> \end
>
> put that in a tiddler with the tag $:/tags/Macro so that it is globally 
> available.
> and then invoke it like this in each of your "parent" tiddlers:
>
> <>
>
>
> As Mat mentions, the tabs macro will use the caption field for the tab 
> name, so set up each of your child tiddlers with a caption name that 
> reflects the intended suffix.
>
> HTH
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, wolfsong wrote:
>>
>> After looking through the forum a bit I think I need something that's a 
>> close to this 
>> 
>>  where 
>> I have a template for a tabbed document that separates each section into 
>> it's own tiddler. I'm just not certain how to pass the name of to the 
>> sections and do this as a template. I have a macro that sorta works in that 
>> it creates the tabs when called
>>
>> \define monitoringtabs(<>)
>> <> Name]] [[Monitoring Criteria]] [[Alert Trigger Criteria]] [[Immediate 
>> Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
>> \end
>>
>> What I'd like the template to actually do is call the macro and create 
>> the tabs but with the naming convention of Parent Title: Description, 
>> Parent Title: Frequency, etc. but only show the suffix for each of the 
>> tabs. Is that possible?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[Mat]

Much too late, shouldn't write this as it may be just be... not what you 
want. But at least it works;

<$set name="aa" filter="[tag[HelloThere]]">
<$macrocall $name="tabs" tabsList=<> class="tc-vertical"/>


I'm aksing my brain how to put inthe name of currentTiddler there but it 
tells me nto to disturb it while it's sleeping.

Caption field is just a simple field you name "caption" and give a value 
"whatever you want todisplay on the tab", i. e the bottom thingy in edit 
mode. When people talk about some field you've never heard of, it's because 
it doesn't exist - until you make it. Like the goodnite field. I'll set 
value to: now.

<:-)


On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 12:40:32 AM UTC+2, wolfsong wrote:
>
> Hi Mat
>
> Yes. I want to create a template for a tabbed tiddler where the parent 
> tiddler and each of the tabs have the same title but the tabs will also 
> have a suffix. This way if I need to edit a tab, I will be able to verify 
> which tiddler is the parent. I maybe looking at doing this the wrong way. 
> Can you explain how the caption field would be used?
>
> I think I have vertical tabs working. Is it class:"tc-vertical" or 
> class=tc-vertical? The parameters are given but not used in the examples on 
> tiddlywiki.com so I'm unclear on what this and other syntax should be.
>
> You're right. I'm not using it because what I tried didn't work and broke 
> the tabs. I tried this:
>
> <>: Description]] [[<>: 
> Devices]] [[<>: Frequency]] [[<>: Script 
> Name]] [[<>: Monitoring Criteria]] [[<>: 
> Alert 
> Trigger Criteria]] [[<>: Immediate Reaction Steps]]" 
> class:"tc-vertical">>
>
> and this
>
> <>[[: Description]] <>[[: 
> Devices]] <>[[: Frequency]] <>[[: Script 
> Name]] [[<>: Monitoring Criteria]] <>[[: 
> Alert 
> Trigger Criteria]] <>[[: Immediate Reaction Steps]]" 
> class:"tc-vertical">>
>
> but neither works.
>
> Thanks
> Cristov
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 4:50:02 PM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Hi wolfsong
>>
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 10:27:18 PM UTC+2, wolfsong wrote:
>>>
>>> After looking through the forum a bit I think I need something that's a 
>>> close to this 
>>> 
>>>  where 
>>> I have a template for a tabbed document that separates each section into 
>>> it's own tiddler. I'm just not certain how to pass the name of to the 
>>> sections and do this as a template. I have a macro that sorta works in that 
>>> it creates the tabs when called
>>>
>>> \define monitoringtabs(<>)
>>> <>> Name]] [[Monitoring Criteria]] [[Alert Trigger Criteria]] [[Immediate 
>>> Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> What I'd like the template to actually do is call the macro and create 
>>> the tabs but with the naming convention of Parent Title: Description, 
>>> Parent Title: Frequency, etc. but only show the suffix for each of the 
>>> tabs. Is that possible?
>>>
>>
>> In spite of your obvious efforts to make the questions very clear, it's a 
>> bit vague to me (what is "a tabbed document" - do you mean a tabbed 
>> tiddler? And I certainly don't understand "use a template to pull in 
>> tiddlers") ...but I think I got at least a few things. So FWIW;
>>
>> For getting a tab to show something else than the title of the tiddler it 
>> is showing, you use a caption field in the tiddler.
>>
>> To get vertical tabs, I'm guessing (based on docs, didn't try) that you 
>> just put class="tc-vertical" inside the tabs macro, perhaps at extreme 
>> right.
>>
>> In your macro def, I don't think you should include the currentTddler 
>> macro call as  an argument. Try to just leav the parameter list empty i.e 
>> () and just make the call inside the actual macro where you need it. 
>> However, it doesn't look like you're using it so... just skip it.
>>  
>> Hope this is of at least some help. But keep on asking for the other 
>> stuff.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[wolfsong]

Hi Mat

Yes. I want to create a template for a tabbed tiddler where the parent 
tiddler and each of the tabs have the same title but the tabs will also 
have a suffix. This way if I need to edit a tab, I will be able to verify 
which tiddler is the parent. I maybe looking at doing this the wrong way. 
Can you explain how the caption field would be used?

I think I have vertical tabs working. Is it class:"tc-vertical" or 
class=tc-vertical? The parameters are given but not used in the examples on 
tiddlywiki.com so I'm unclear on what this and other syntax should be.

You're right. I'm not using it because what I tried didn't work and broke 
the tabs. I tried this:

<>: Description]] [[<>: 
Devices]] 
[[<>: Frequency]] [[<>: Script Name]] [[<
>: Monitoring Criteria]] [[<>: Alert 
Trigger Criteria]] [[<>: Immediate Reaction Steps]]" 
class:"tc-vertical">>

and this

<>[[: Description]] <>[[: 
Devices]] 
<>[[: Frequency]] <>[[: Script Name]] [[<
>: Monitoring Criteria]] <>[[: Alert 
Trigger Criteria]] <>[[: Immediate Reaction Steps]]" 
class:"tc-vertical">>

but neither works.

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 4:50:02 PM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> Hi wolfsong
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 10:27:18 PM UTC+2, wolfsong wrote:
>>
>> After looking through the forum a bit I think I need something that's a 
>> close to this 
>> 
>>  where 
>> I have a template for a tabbed document that separates each section into 
>> it's own tiddler. I'm just not certain how to pass the name of to the 
>> sections and do this as a template. I have a macro that sorta works in that 
>> it creates the tabs when called
>>
>> \define monitoringtabs(<>)
>> <> Name]] [[Monitoring Criteria]] [[Alert Trigger Criteria]] [[Immediate 
>> Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
>> \end
>>
>> What I'd like the template to actually do is call the macro and create 
>> the tabs but with the naming convention of Parent Title: Description, 
>> Parent Title: Frequency, etc. but only show the suffix for each of the 
>> tabs. Is that possible?
>>
>
> In spite of your obvious efforts to make the questions very clear, it's a 
> bit vague to me (what is "a tabbed document" - do you mean a tabbed 
> tiddler? And I certainly don't understand "use a template to pull in 
> tiddlers") ...but I think I got at least a few things. So FWIW;
>
> For getting a tab to show something else than the title of the tiddler it 
> is showing, you use a caption field in the tiddler.
>
> To get vertical tabs, I'm guessing (based on docs, didn't try) that you 
> just put class="tc-vertical" inside the tabs macro, perhaps at extreme 
> right.
>
> In your macro def, I don't think you should include the currentTddler 
> macro call as  an argument. Try to just leav the parameter list empty i.e 
> () and just make the call inside the actual macro where you need it. 
> However, it doesn't look like you're using it so... just skip it.
>  
> Hope this is of at least some help. But keep on asking for the other stuff.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think you want a macro like this:

\define monitoringtabs()
<>
\end

put that in a tiddler with the tag $:/tags/Macro so that it is globally 
available.
and then invoke it like this in each of your "parent" tiddlers:

<>


As Mat mentions, the tabs macro will use the caption field for the tab 
name, so set up each of your child tiddlers with a caption name that 
reflects the intended suffix.

HTH
Mark



On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, wolfsong wrote:
>
> After looking through the forum a bit I think I need something that's a 
> close to this 
> 
>  where 
> I have a template for a tabbed document that separates each section into 
> it's own tiddler. I'm just not certain how to pass the name of to the 
> sections and do this as a template. I have a macro that sorta works in that 
> it creates the tabs when called
>
> \define monitoringtabs(<>)
> < Name]] [[Monitoring Criteria]] [[Alert Trigger Criteria]] [[Immediate 
> Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
> \end
>
> What I'd like the template to actually do is call the macro and create the 
> tabs but with the naming convention of Parent Title: Description, Parent 
> Title: Frequency, etc. but only show the suffix for each of the tabs. Is 
> that possible?
>

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[Mat]

Hi wolfsong

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 10:27:18 PM UTC+2, wolfsong wrote:
>
> After looking through the forum a bit I think I need something that's a 
> close to this 
> 
>  where 
> I have a template for a tabbed document that separates each section into 
> it's own tiddler. I'm just not certain how to pass the name of to the 
> sections and do this as a template. I have a macro that sorta works in that 
> it creates the tabs when called
>
> \define monitoringtabs(<>)
> < Name]] [[Monitoring Criteria]] [[Alert Trigger Criteria]] [[Immediate 
> Reaction Steps]]" class:"tc-vertical">>
> \end
>
> What I'd like the template to actually do is call the macro and create the 
> tabs but with the naming convention of Parent Title: Description, Parent 
> Title: Frequency, etc. but only show the suffix for each of the tabs. Is 
> that possible?
>

In spite of your obvious efforts to make the questions very clear, it's a 
bit vague to me (what is "a tabbed document" - do you mean a tabbed 
tiddler? And I certainly don't understand "use a template to pull in 
tiddlers") ...but I think I got at least a few things. So FWIW;

For getting a tab to show something else than the title of the tiddler it 
is showing, you use a caption field in the tiddler.

To get vertical tabs, I'm guessing (based on docs, didn't try) that you 
just put class="tc-vertical" inside the tabs macro, perhaps at extreme 
right.

In your macro def, I don't think you should include the currentTddler macro 
call as  an argument. Try to just leav the parameter list empty i.e () and 
just make the call inside the actual macro where you need it. However, it 
doesn't look like you're using it so... just skip it.
 
Hope this is of at least some help. But keep on asking for the other stuff.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[wolfsong]

After looking through the forum a bit I think I need something that's a 
close to this 

 where 
I have a template for a tabbed document that separates each section into 
it's own tiddler. I'm just not certain how to pass the name of to the 
sections and do this as a template. I have a macro that sorta works in that 
it creates the tags when called

\define monitoringtabs(<>)
<>
\end

What I'd like the template to actually do is call the macro and create the 
tabs but with the naming convention of Parent Title: Description, Parent 
Title: Frequency, etc. but only show the suffix for each of the tabs. Is 
that possible?

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think we would need to know more about your use case. For instance, what 
will all these articles have in common that might benefit from a template? 
How do you imagine using the sub-sections?

Personally, I don't like solutions that clutter tag-space with single-use 
tags. To me tags seem better to apply semantic meaning to entire categories 
of tiddlers. But maybe that's just me. I would use links to organize 
sub-sections.
 
The next version of TW5, 5.1.12 is coming out pretty soon . It will have a 
tool that will let you quickly cut (excise) your article into relevant 
sub-tiddlers. This might be the ticket for what you want to accomplish.

Good luck,
Mark 

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-7, wolfsong wrote:
>
> I'm looking through the documentation and trying to grasp a few concepts 
> but I think I need more information.
>
> I want to setup a knowledge base with articles on a variety of subjects. 
> I'd like to put together a template for each type of article. Each article 
> will have subsections with information that might appear in different types 
> of articles. This way, as content needs to be updated, I can update the 
> relevant tiddler and have the corresponding articles be current. It seems 
> like TiddlyWiki is built around this very idea. Where I'm stumbling though 
> is how to approach the process.
>
>- Do I create the subsections first and pull them together with a 
>template or create a template that creates the necessary subsections?
>- How do I link the subsections back to the article? Should I use a 
>tag or a custom field (I'm entirely unclear on the advantages of using one 
>versus the other)?
>- Are the some examples that are easy to follow? What I'm finding on 
>the main website seems lite and what I'm finding in the community examples 
>has elements that I can't figure out what's being done.
>
> One other thing, because the articles will be lengthy in some cases, I'd 
> love to take advantage of having the subsections appear as tabs.
>
> Any guidance would really be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Cristov
>

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[Mat]

Hi wolfsong - I think you'll like TW

What pmario says is (of course) correct but here's for a perhaps smaller 
first piecemeal start:

What you want to do is pretty simple;

What you do is to create a separate tiddler per each article and per each 
subsection. Tag the subsections with the name of the articles they belong 
to. The use the tabs macro  to filter 
out (i.e "collect") these subsections and to get them presented as tabs.

You'll probably need a bit more guidance but this is a good start and maybe 
it'll be enough.

Good luck!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[PMario]

Hi Cristov,

TiddlyWiki is great, if you use tags to "combine" your content tiddlers. 

transclusions are described here: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Transclusion

list-links macro is one of the simplest macros to start with and get the 
feeling: http://tiddlywiki.com/#list-links%20Macro

tabs macro is used for tabs: http://tiddlywiki.com/#tabs%20Macro

timeline macro is the one used for the recent tab: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#timeline%20Macro

table of content macros are the "most advanced" ones: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros:[[Table-of-Contents%20Macros]]%20[[Table-of-Contents%20Macros%20%28Examples%29]]

-

The list field is used to get same "manually defined" sorting behaviour: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#ListField

and

the filter operators are possible filters. ... but be aware here. ... They 
can be a bit overwhelming: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Operators
Tobias Beer made some "Filters-101" compilation, that may be helpful.  
but do not start here. start at the top of my list - 
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Filters-101

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: [NOOB] Transclusion, Templates, Filters and Tags vs Fields

[wolfsong]

I forgot to mention TW5.

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 1:18:56 PM UTC-5, wolfsong wrote:
>
> I'm looking through the documentation and trying to grasp a few concepts 
> but I think I need more information.
>
> I want to setup a knowledge base with articles on a variety of subjects. 
> I'd like to put together a template for each type of article. Each article 
> will have subsections with information that might appear in different types 
> of articles. This way, as content needs to be updated, I can update the 
> relevant tiddler and have the corresponding articles be current. It seems 
> like TiddlyWiki is built around this very idea. Where I'm stumbling though 
> is how to approach the process.
>
>- Do I create the subsections first and pull them together with a 
>template or create a template that creates the necessary subsections?
>- How do I link the subsections back to the article? Should I use a 
>tag or a custom field (I'm entirely unclear on the advantages of using one 
>versus the other)?
>- Are the some examples that are easy to follow? What I'm finding on 
>the main website seems lite and what I'm finding in the community examples 
>has elements that I can't figure out what's being done.
>
> One other thing, because the articles will be lengthy in some cases, I'd 
> love to take advantage of having the subsections appear as tabs.
>
> Any guidance would really be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Cristov
>

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