[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[cmari]

In case I'm not the only person still very happily using the original 
BottomTabs, here is what I did to make the author list sort correctly 
(alphabetically, and in reverse): 
In the tiddler 
$:/plugins/amp/BT/lists/publications

Find: 
<$reveal state="$:/temp/advancedsearch" type="match" text="">
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]tag[$type$]$(order)$[$sort$]]">

and delete $sort$ from the end of the second line:

<$reveal state="$:/temp/advancedsearch" type="match" text="">
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]tag[$type$]$(order)$[]]">

Thank you again to Alberto!
cmari

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-8, Alberto Molina wrote:
>
> Hi Cmari,
>
> Thanks for your kind words and for the report. Lately, I've been doing 
> more coding than testing or even using the plugin, thus I'm not aware of 
> all the bugs. 
>
> Sorting by title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not 
>> alphabetical.  Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything 
>> at all.
>>
>
> I'll check that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alberto 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

I'm using your Plugin for meetings notes. I like the ability of create new 
notes, and sections. It's very useful because it's not comfortable to 
create several tiddlers and relate them with plain TW. What I would love is 
to be able to edit several notes at the same time. I mean, having the 
tiddler opened and editing one note, then switching to another one and edit 
them, everything within the same tiddler.

Other cool thing would be to have a view where all the sections of a 
tiddler are "joined" together as a single tiddler. That is what I though 
the section part was for.

I found a small bug/problem: If you switch the tab while editing a section 
without saving it you will lose it.

Other thing I don't understand is why Notes are listed under parts tab.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi PMario,
 

> Great stuff!
>

Thanks!
 

> IMO since you renamed the project from bottom tabs to MagicTabs, you 
> should create a new "[TW5] INTRO: MagicTabs plugin - some more text" thread 
> for it. 
>
The INTRO prefix may make it easier to find it :) 


Yes, but I want to do some more testing and debuging before announcing it, 
as version 0.2, in its own thread.
 
Regards,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[PMario]

Hi Alberto, 
Great stuff!

IMO since you renamed the project from bottom tabs to MagicTabs, you should 
create a new "[TW5] INTRO: MagicTabs plugin - some more text" thread for 
it. 

I think it deserves it!

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Philippe,

Sorry for the late answer. Before trying to create your types and tabs, I 
thought is was better to make the customization process much easier for you 
and other users, so you can do it yourself. And it took me a lot of 
intensive work to achieve something good enough to publish here.

Then, testing my own plugin customization features, I made a little extra 
plugin to create new characters with editable "physical description" and 
"mental description" as bottom tabs. I hope it is useful for you. And try 
to do your own types and tabs to see if you get stucked again.

http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/

Bien cordialement,

Alberto

Le mercredi 21 janvier 2015 15:08:35 UTC+1, philippe mekal a écrit :
>
> Hi Alberto,
>
> I wouldn't let you do all the work !
> What i am trying to do is "an help to manage characters" for a book to 
> write.
>
> To my idea, what is needed for a basic set is :
>
> A way to create one tiddler for each character. (you button 'person' on 
> 'scholars' is nice)
>
> This tiddler would have few fields, like name, surname, and sex, for a 
> basic set. (the idea is,
>  that anyone who want to custumize, can add whatever fields he wants, and 
> can report the filling
> of these fields in the creation act)
>
> Once this character tiddler is created, it would automaticaly have 5 other 
> bottom tab : 
> idea(s) and note(s) (what you already have created, in the same way, 
> saying with the + button to add as many ideas or notes as wanted) and three 
> other
> that would contain many other fields to be filled (basicaly for a writing 
> book : one tab for physical description, one for mental and one for life 
> description)
>
> These three bottom tab don't need the + button, only a "modify" button
> In a basic set, i would see bottomtab1, bottomtab2, bottomtab3 and each of 
> them with 3 fields : btf11,btf12 and btf13 for the first bottom tab,
> btf21,btf22 and btf23 for the second bottom tab, and so on.
> These name (bottomtab1, btf11,...) could be easily renamed to fit every 
> need.
> And of course, many other fields could be added on each of these 
> bottomtab123.
>
> This basic set could be re-used for any purpose.
> I also believe that the macro part is not that easy to adapt (that is also 
> why i am stucked...)
>
> I don't know if i am clear... i could explain again in french if needed.
>
> I also would be pleased to help if you want to add a french documentation 
> (but I believe you speak french too).
>
> Thanks a lot if you have some time to spend on these ideas.
>
> One again, great job you've done.
>
> Bien cordialement
>
> Philippe 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Le mercredi 4 février 2015 13:47:31 UTC+1, Alberto Molina a écrit :
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I worked VERY HARD on the MagicTabs plugin over the last two weeks: fixing 
> bugs, cleaning code and improving the code, with special attention to 
> customization.
>


MagicTabs: http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/ 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi everyone,

I worked VERY HARD on the MagicTabs plugin over the last two weeks: fixing 
bugs, cleaning code and improving the code, with special attention to 
customization.

Until now, customizing the plugin (creating new types and tabs) was a pain 
in the neck. Now I think (I hope) it is MUCH easier and intuitive. You are 
guided step by step to create new types+templates and new tabs, and many 
processes are automated. 

Other features include:
* Silent tiddlers creation.
* No more need to create ad-hoc forms and buttons for custom types and tabs.
* No more need to create ad-hoc lists in the dashboard.
* Too many things to remember.

Now, it is *very important to associate a template with each type* for 
automated creation of new tiddlers with that type.

The downside of improvements is incompatibilities. Macros and fields have 
changed their names (most with prefixes like "mt-"). If you didn't create 
custom types and tabs, then it shouldn't affect you. If you did, then I 
think the best way to best way to go is to create new types and tabs using 
the dashboard managers and copy/pasting your stuff in the relevant new 
fields. But remember that this is beta software and that future versions 
might be incompatible with this one. Use it for testing purposes only. 

For those interested in testing it, I would like to know your opinion about 
the customization process: it is easier now, is it intuitive, is there any 
point where you get stuck, any bug?

The reading extra (successor of TW for Scholars) is not available now with 
this new version of MagicTabs because it uses very different and complex 
mechanisms to create custom publications' titles, quotes' titles, etc. It 
could be adapted without too much modifications, but I prefer to rewrite it 
entirely for good, and it might take some time. 

Best wishes,

Alberto







 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo,
 

> How is the creation of new tiddlers via form managed?
>

There are dedicated button tiddlers like  


   - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/newNote/button 
   

   - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/buttons/input/person 
   


 Is there any chance to not opening the resulting tiddler for editing?


I would like to have the option of opening or not, for editing or for 
viewing. That was possible with the maketid plugin from matabele, but I 
don't think it's possible atm with the core. I hope I'm wrong.

Regards,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Philippe,

OK. I think I understand. I'm going to try as a way of testing the changes 
I've done to the plugins. But before I need to fix other things.
When finished, it could be the start of a new extra plugin for writers.

I also would be pleased to help if you want to add a french documentation 
> (but I believe you speak french too).
>

Yes, I speak french much better than english. I would like to create 
documentation in english, spanish and french. But until now there's no 
documentation at all. First, the plugin must be stable enough. I also would 
like to have the plugin translatable in different languages, like the core 
of tw, but later.

If you could contribute to the french translation of the documentation of 
tw.com, it would be much more useful.
 
Regards,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

How is the creation of new tiddlers via form managed? Is there any chance 
to not opening the resulting tiddler for editing?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[philippe mekal]

Hi Alberto,

I wouldn't let you do all the work !
What i am trying to do is "an help to manage characters" for a book to 
write.

To my idea, what is needed for a basic set is :

A way to create one tiddler for each character. (you button 'person' on 
'scholars' is nice)

This tiddler would have few fields, like name, surname, and sex, for a 
basic set. (the idea is,
 that anyone who want to custumize, can add whatever fields he wants, and 
can report the filling
of these fields in the creation act)

Once this character tiddler is created, it would automaticaly have 5 other 
bottom tab : 
idea(s) and note(s) (what you already have created, in the same way, saying 
with the + button to add as many ideas or notes as wanted) and three other
that would contain many other fields to be filled (basicaly for a writing 
book : one tab for physical description, one for mental and one for life 
description)

These three bottom tab don't need the + button, only a "modify" button
In a basic set, i would see bottomtab1, bottomtab2, bottomtab3 and each of 
them with 3 fields : btf11,btf12 and btf13 for the first bottom tab,
btf21,btf22 and btf23 for the second bottom tab, and so on.
These name (bottomtab1, btf11,...) could be easily renamed to fit every 
need.
And of course, many other fields could be added on each of these 
bottomtab123.

This basic set could be re-used for any purpose.
I also believe that the macro part is not that easy to adapt (that is also 
why i am stucked...)

I don't know if i am clear... i could explain again in french if needed.

I also would be pleased to help if you want to add a french documentation 
(but I believe you speak french too).

Thanks a lot if you have some time to spend on these ideas.

One again, great job you've done.

Bien cordialement

Philippe 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Tobias,

A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the 
>> caption and the icon.
>>
>
> I find it rather confusing that this would be a tag.
> Is that just a design choice or would it be a necessity?
> All in all, there would only ever be one *mt.type* to a single tiddler, 
> or not?
>
> Or is it a tag to simplyify assigning it, to assure the user selects a 
> valid value ...if he ever does so, manually.
>

Its a design choice. And I have several reasons for that. Previously, in 
http://tesis.tiddlyspot.com/, I used the field *catégorie* for the same 
purpose, but it was a pain in the neck. Tags are much easier to use, for 
instance in list filters; they are easier to assign, as you point out, and 
other reasons… We could do the same with field instead of tags, or have 
both, but do not consider going that way until the plugin is stable enough.


The macro <> uses the tag caption and icon to create the 
>> heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the 
>> type tiddler you created.
>>
>
> I think it would be helpful if all these components would come prefixed, 
> e.g.
>
> <>
>


>>1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to 
>>*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
>>
>> Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?
>
>
Yes, it might be a good thing to avoid interferences with other macros.

Regards,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo,

Of course I can share with you my customizations. But currently they are 
> very basic: I just created a new type, a new tab and I added it to the 
> control panel. I have plans to put a link to the "parent tiddler" of each 
> annotation (not just notes) in the control panel. I think is important to 
> know where do you have those notes when you want to review, for example, 
> your doubts or what is the note about.
>

If its something that can be useful to others, I can add your 
customizations to the core plugins. 

Please consider making the tiddler 
> *$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/lists/notes/filter *tags based. I had to edit 
> it manually to ad my own type, and this is not good. As important as having 
> the ability to add new tabs is to sumarize its tiddlers. Regards.


You are right. I'm currently working on this and other improvements.

Saludos,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Philippe,

I must say your work is awsome.
>

Thanks, I'm glad you like it.
 

> These plugins contain what I need, and in speaking of customisations, i 
> can say I am trying hard to adapt your plugin to my needs.
> And I also can say I can't finalize it... 
>
> I am trying to do this, for an help to a writer : character tiddlers, with 
> three bottom tags filled with fields (describing the character), and forms 
> to fill these fields.
> I hope I can do it one day.
>

I'm currently trying to make things much easier for customization. But 
there's still work to do. And I'm sorry there's no documentation at the 
moment.

Please explain better what you want to achieve and I'll try to help you:

   - Which tiddler types do you need? One is characters 
   ($:/type/character). What about the others? 
   - Which fields do you want for each tiddler type?
   - Which bottom tabs do you need?

Bien cordialement,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto.


El domingo, 18 de enero de 2015, 19:18:47 (UTC+1), Alberto Molina escribió:
>
> Hi Danielo, 
>
> Thanks for your kind words. 


Thank you for your work and support.
 

 

>
>
> Since the plugin is still a work in progress, I'm much interested in your 
> customisations and your use case to adapt the plugin, make it easier to 
> customise, and add new tabs that could be useful for users like you. Would 
> you let me see your customizations when you are finished? 
>
>
Of course I can share with you my customizations. But currently they are 
very basic: I just created a new type, a new tab and I added it to the 
control panel. I have plans to put a link to the "parent tiddler" of each 
annotation (not just notes) in the control panel. I think is important to 
know where do you have those notes when you want to review, for example, 
your doubts or what is the note about.

Regards.
 

> Regards, 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[philippe mekal]

Hi Alberto,

I must say your work is awsome.
These plugins contain what I need, and in speaking of customisations, i can 
say I am trying hard to adapt your plugin to my needs.
And I also can say I can't finalize it... 

I am trying to do this, for an help to a writer : character tiddlers, with 
three bottom tags filled with fields (describing the character), and forms 
to fill these fields.
I hope I can do it one day.

thank you anyway for your plugin.

Bien cordialement
Philippe




Le dimanche 18 janvier 2015 19:18:47 UTC+1, Alberto Molina a écrit :
>
> Hi Danielo, 
>
> Thanks for your kind words. 
>
> I didn't have time enough to work on the plugin this week, neither to 
> answer the last messages here. 
>
> Since the plugin is still a work in progress, I'm much interested in your 
> customisations and your use case to adapt the plugin, make it easier to 
> customise, and add new tabs that could be useful for users like you. Would 
> you let me see your customizations when you are finished? 
>
> Regards, 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo, 

Thanks for your kind words. 

I didn't have time enough to work on the plugin this week, neither to answer 
the last messages here. 

Since the plugin is still a work in progress, I'm much interested in your 
customisations and your use case to adapt the plugin, make it easier to 
customise, and add new tabs that could be useful for users like you. Would you 
let me see your customizations when you are finished? 

Regards, 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

I just want to thank you for your plugin. It is making the process of 
creating documentation much easier and intuitive. I'm making some 
customizations to make it fit my needs. I hope you are doing well and we 
can see soon new features of your plugin. I'm particularly interested in a 
tab that shows the reference (for me tipically one or more urls) where you 
took the information from.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

Please consider making the tiddler *$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/lists/notes/filter 
*tags based. I had to edit it manually to ad my own type, and this is not 
good. As important as having the ability to add new tabs is to sumarize its 
tiddlers. Regards.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alberto,

*that way, annotation tiddlers can be first class citizens*, having their 
> own dedicated tabs, view templates, etc. For instance, you may want a tab 
> specific to video annotations showing related with the same topic, or 
> documentation tiddlers talking about the same topic as the video 
> annotation. 
>

Being tiddlers, annotations already are "first class citizens"... in 
TiddlyWiki.
So, what we magically desire are dedicated tabs that only show for certain 
citizens.
The question perhaps remains: What produces triggers a tab showing?
What identifier is used to trigger showing a tab?
To me, that is always some filter expression ...which we could associated 
with a tiddler tagged something like *$:/tags/MagicTab*.
A filter that is perhaps not even stored at that tab-tiddler directly, so 
as to decouple switching it on and off from the actual template.
 

> if you create the tiddler $:/type/annotation with a caption, an icon, a 
> template, they are automatically used by the macros <> and 
> <>.
>

The core would probably do this via individual tiddlers, like...

   - *$:/mt/types//tab*
  - the tab template
   - *$:/mt/types//icon*
  - the icon for the thing
   - *$:/mt/types//field*
  - a (list) field that triggers showing the tab
   - *$:/mt/types//tag*
  - a tag that triggers showing the tab, in the form of *$:/type/*
   - *$:/mt/types//filter*
  - an entirely custom filter that triggers showing the tab
   - *$:/mt/types//lingo/en-GB/caption*
  - a caption for a given language, fallback being *en-GB*
   
...this ensures that core components only get partially overwritten but not 
completely, which would prevent getting template updates later on. So, for 
each tab, there would be a set of the above, perhaps all of which are 
optional, thus showing the tab for all tiddlers.

How about something more implicit, like...
>>
>> *$:/type/**field/**yt-id*
>>
>
> Sorry, I don't understand your point.
>

The point was to trigger showing a tab not based on the presence of a 
certain tag,
but rather based on the presence of a certain field that would be used 
anyway... for a "typed citizen".
The filter to show/hide tabs would possibly be able to handle both cases in 
one, e.g.

show either when...

   - tagged *$:/type/*
   - field *mt-type *= **

You need a qualified relationship between the video and its annotations, 
> and the *yt-video* field works. You could use in the same way I use the 
> *source* field. But if you use yt-video instead of source, you need to 
> create specific list filters while source is used by default in MagicTabs.
>

Yes, so I'm thinking it does have to be a field, after all, rather than a 
tag.

Custom list fields are a pain in the neck. But I managed to have them 
> working with fields like *authors*, *about*, *parent*, and I don't 
> remember if *source*.
>

They may be a pain in the neck, but I think for harmony's sake, all those 
relatiohship fields should be handled using list-fields and the kind of 
nomenclature that is required for them to work properly, be it a 1:many 
relationship or a mere 1:1... and one day, hopefully, the same ui as is 
given to the *tags* field... plus the ordering.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alberto, Danielo,
 

> A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the 
> caption and the icon.
>

I find it rather confusing that this would be a tag.
Is that just a design choice or would it be a necessity?
All in all, there would only ever be one *mt.type* to a single tiddler, or 
not?

Or is it a tag to simplyify assigning it, to assure the user selects a 
valid value ...if he ever does so, manually.

The macro <> uses the tag caption and icon to create the 
> heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the 
> type tiddler you created.
>

I think it would be helpful if all these components would come prefixed, 
e.g.

<>

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Tobias,


>>1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to 
>>*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
>>
>> Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?
>

Yes, you're right. Maybe *mt.list.filter*, *mt.list.filter.heading*, 
*mt.list.filter.template, 
mt.tab.template*, etc.


 

> Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
>> as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
>> you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
>> $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
>> magic tabs tweaks). 
>>
>  
>
> I explain how to create custom new types and tabs in 5 easy tabs here: 
>> http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>> 
>
>
> Not sure what to make of this strategy in terms of...
>
> *Type video: *Add the tag $:/type/video to the video tiddlers. In this 
>> case: Introduction To TiddlyWiki
>> *Type annotation: *Add the tag $:/type/annotation to the annotation 
>> tiddlers.
>
>
> Why would I need an additional type tag? Isn't there a filter expression 
> that corresponds to what makes a tiddler of type *$:/type/video* or 
> *$:/type/annotation* or any other type?
>

Why an additional type tag ($:/type/annotation) ? It is not mandatory, but:

   1. that way it is easier to look for video annotations and create list 
   filters. You do the same using fields.
   2. if you fill the field *contents.tag* with that tag, the macro 
   <> will automatically display a list with a default filter 
   using that tab. But you can use your own list filter, either using the 
   field *list.filter*, or not using the <>.
   3. if you create the tiddler $:/type/annotation with a caption, an icon, 
   a template, they are automatically used by the macros <> and 
   <>.
   4. last but not least: *that way, annotation tiddlers can be first class 
   citizens*, having their own dedicated tabs, view templates, etc. For 
   instance, you may want a tab specific to video annotations showing related 
   with the same topic, or documentation tiddlers talking about the same topic 
   as the video annotation. 



> How about something more implicit, like...
>
> *$:/type/**field/**yt-id*
>
> ...without a need to declare some otherwise unneeded extra tags for 
> magic-tabs? 
>

> And then have ...
>
> *contents.by.field: $:/type/field/yt-video*
>
> ...perhaps. The thing is, do I need / also want those *$:/type/video* and 
> *$:/type/annotation 
> *tags now and does that mean that I also need to overwrite the tags 
> template?
>

Sorry, I don't understand your point.


 

> I was surely considering of abandoning the yt-video field as it seems much 
> more natural to have the annotation simply tag to the video, but then I 
> have the problem that a simple tagging relationship isn't a qualified one.
>

You need a qualified relationship between the video and its annotations, 
and the *yt-video* field works. You could use in the same way I use the 
*source* field. But if you use yt-video instead of source, you need to 
create specific list filters while source is used by default in MagicTabs.
 

>
> Also, if I kept something like *yt-video* as a qualified field then there 
> is that problem with generally distinguishing *yt-video* vs. *yt-videos*... 
> because, the latter would require a bracketed list like the tags field and 
> all the handling that  goes with dissecting those bracketed list-items 
> whereas the *yt-video* field as a reference to a single *parent* does not 
> have any double square brackets and would probably fail if I wrapped those 
> tiddler titles in them.
>

Custom list fields are a pain in the neck. But I managed to have them 
working with fields like *authors*, *about*, *parent*, and I don't remember 
if *source*.
 

> So, how do you harmonize these relations ships such that 1:1 is working 
> exactly like a 1:many in terms of how the data is being kept, i.e. by 
> entering that related tiddler via a "browse for some tiddler" popup just 
> like we have for tags?
>

> Mhhh, loads of further exploring and architectural design is needed, it 
> appears.
>
> I mean, hw would you handle the case where a tiddler would have two 
> parents, sources, etc...?
>

Its complicated but it works. When I have more than one author for the same 
book, they are all specified in the *authors* field and are treated as if 
they were tags. Idem for the *about* and *parent* field. Can't explain 
here. 

 Best wishes,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

>
>
> The macros use the <$set> widget and that creates a problem: the tiddler 
> needs to be refreshed for the changes are shown. Maybe this is your problem 
> because I find myself sometimes asking where is my tab, or why the changes 
> are not reflected? Sorry for that. It is why the plugin still needs a lot 
> of work.
>
> Alberto
>
>
Yes, I noticed that :P but I did not know why. Now I'm trying to create a 
form to add a new doubt, but It is not related with its parent. I'm using 
 <> I noticed that the parameter of the newNote macro is 
the second part of the type tag, so it will be tagged as $:/type/doubt. I 
got some problems because I though it was just a caption, and I was 
using <> so the doubts were not related. 

Things are starting to work!! Is there any other macro with less fields?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Danielo,

 

> Ok, I have my doubts tab created. But, this is what I thing is needed and 
> I did not get this from the documentation
> You need at two things:
>
>- A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines 
>the caption and the icon.
>
> The macro <> works like that (if I'm not wrong): it looks 
first for the fields inside the tab tiddler, if it doesn't find anything, 
it looks at the $/type/foo tiddler, and if nothing it uses a default icon.


>- A tab tiddler, called whatever you want. For me to work I had to 
>include the tags $:/action/is/default and the $:/type/tab. My magic 
>control pannel does not display anything under the configuration of tab 
>manager.
>
> When I created the video annotations tab, I didn't need to tag it with 
$:/type/tag, but it is needed I don't remember why and for what, maybe for 
the $:/action/is/default to work. I have to check that.

There's no tab manager atm. The plan is to have a list of all the tabs 
used, with configuration options and a form+button for easy creating new 
tabs. Idem for the type manager.
 

>
>- The macro <> uses the tag caption and icon to create 
>the heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with 
>the type tiddler you created.
>
> Now, I have to define an add.content tiddler to be able to create new 
> tiddlers with the required tag. I will continue investigating.
>
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo,

I'm trying magic Tabs... One fast question. How can I remove the config 
> button from each tab?
>

The button is created by the <> macro in 
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabContents*

 

If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the  $:/type 
> nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler 
> $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab 
> and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not 
> appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside 
> the text. 
> I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without 
> icon.
> I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.


The macros use the <$set> widget and that creates a problem: the tiddler 
needs to be refreshed for the changes are shown. Maybe this is your problem 
because I find myself sometimes asking where is my tab, or why the changes 
are not reflected? Sorry for that. It is why the plugin still needs a lot 
of work.

Alberto


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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El martes, 13 de enero de 2015, 10:26:20 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
escribió:
>
> Hello alberto
>
> Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
>> as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
>> you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
>> $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
>> magic tabs tweaks). 
>
>
> If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the  $:/type 
> nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler 
> $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab 
> and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not 
> appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside 
> the text. 
> I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without 
> icon.
>
> I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.
>


Ok, I have my doubts tab created. But, this is what I thing is needed and I 
did not get this from the documentation
You need at two things:

   - A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the 
   caption and the icon.
   - A tab tiddler, called whatever you want. For me to work I had to 
   include the tags $:/action/is/default and the $:/type/tab. My magic 
   control pannel does not display anything under the configuration of tab 
   manager.
   - The macro <> uses the tag caption and icon to create the 
   heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the 
   type tiddler you created.

Now, I have to define an add.content tiddler to be able to create new 
tiddlers with the required tag. I will continue investigating.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello alberto

Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
> as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
> you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
> $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
> magic tabs tweaks). 


If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the  $:/type 
nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler 
$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab 
and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not 
appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside 
the text. 
I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without 
icon.

I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alberto, 

>
>1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to 
>*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
>
> Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?

Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
> as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
> you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
> $:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
> magic tabs tweaks). 
>
 

I explain how to create custom new types and tabs in 5 easy tabs here: 
> http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> 


Not sure what to make of this strategy in terms of...

*Type video: *Add the tag $:/type/video to the video tiddlers. In this 
> case: Introduction To TiddlyWiki
> *Type annotation: *Add the tag $:/type/annotation to the annotation 
> tiddlers.


Why would I need an additional type tag? Isn't there a filter expression 
that corresponds to what makes a tiddler of type *$:/type/video* or 
*$:/type/annotation* or any other type?

How about something more implicit, like...

*$:/type/**field/**yt-id*

...without a need to declare some otherwise unneeded extra tags for 
magic-tabs?

And then have ...

*contents.by.field: $:/type/field/yt-video*

...perhaps. The thing is, do I need / also want those *$:/type/video* and 
*$:/type/annotation 
*tags now and does that mean that I also need to overwrite the tags 
template?

I was surely considering of abandoning the yt-video field as it seems much 
more natural to have the annotation simply tag to the video, but then I 
have the problem that a simple tagging relationship isn't a qualified one.

Also, if I kept something like *yt-video* as a qualified field then there 
is that problem with generally distinguishing *yt-video* vs. *yt-videos*... 
because, the latter would require a bracketed list like the tags field and 
all the handling that  goes with dissecting those bracketed list-items 
whereas the *yt-video* field as a reference to a single *parent* does not 
have any double square brackets and would probably fail if I wrapped those 
tiddler titles in them.

So, how do you harmonize these relations ships such that 1:1 is working 
exactly like a 1:many in terms of how the data is being kept, i.e. by 
entering that related tiddler via a "browse for some tiddler" popup just 
like we have for tags?

Mhhh, loads of further exploring and architectural design is needed, it 
appears.

I mean, hw would you handle the case where a tiddler would have two 
parents, sources, etc...?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

I'm trying magic Tabs... One fast question. How can I remove the config 
button from each tab?

Thanks in advance.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo,
 

> I am currently working on a new version of the plugin, with less bugs, 
>> better features, and much easier to customize. Its not yet finished but 
>> usable enough. I just uploaded it so you can take advantage of the 
>> customization enhancements: magictabs.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>
> But this is not compatible with the previous version right?
>

No. There a two incompatibilities:

   1. Tiddler names: all the tiddler names containing $:/…*/amp/BT/*… have 
   changes to $:/…*/amp/MagicTabs/*… I did the change using the 
   search/replace of a text editor.
   2. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to 
   *list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
  - That affects also the macros <>, <> and 
  <>.
  - But if you didn't create your own custom tabs, I think it should 
  not affect you.
   
Another problem is that the refactoring is not finished and I have not 
tested enough, so MagicTabs could be atm even more buggy than BottomTabs.


 

> I'm glad you find it useful. Unfortunately, the plugin for teachers is in 
>> a very early phase of development, so there's not much features. 
>>
> Well, I don't want to use it as a teacher, but to give the students a good 
> material where they can take notes and ideas.
>

Then the basic plugin could be enough since I added as default tabs: 
comments, notes, ideas…



 

>  The field "parent" is just a way to categorize your contents, you can use 
> it as you wish. There's no restriction.
> But I did not find any button or field to "automatically" create a new 
> tiddler as a child.
>

For the "parent" field, there's no button atm. But if you use the 
form+button in the tabs to add a comment, a note, an idea, etc., it will 
automatically be added as a child (through the fields "about" or "source") 
in the info tab.
 

Nice to hear that. I miss the forms at the sidebar to add new tiddlers of 
> each type. Are they still there?
>

No, there's only a button for adding people. Use instead the form+button 
inside the tabs, or, if you want independent notes and ideas, use the 
MagicTabs tiddler to add them. The other buttons have not been created so 
far.

 

> This is very powerful. Maybe you can use this small explanation to add it 
> to the documentation.
>

After I finish v.0.2 of the plugin, I will dedicate v.0.3 to documentation. 
New features moratorium :p



 

>  No termino de ver claro cómo añadir nuevas pestañas. Ok, creo un tiddler 
> y le pongo una tag que empieze con $:/type/algo, pero luego dónde defino 
> las tabs? Dónde aparecerán esas tabs? En todos los tiddlers?
>

Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear 
as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless 
you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag 
$:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and 
magic tabs tweaks). 

I explain how to create custom new types and tabs in 5 easy tabs here: 
http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/

 

Ahora es más fácil crear nuevas pestañas. Basta con clonar el patrón 
>> ($:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab) y rellenar los campos que quieras, 
>> especialmente:
>>
>
> Con ahora te refieres a la última versión que estás desarollando o también 
> incluye la anterior?
>

Yes, with the MagicTabs revision, it is much easier to create new tabs (and 
it will be even easier when I finish) because the macros <> 
and <> use default parameters. It is enough to fill the field 
contents.tag with a tag to get a working tab with a list of results that 
you can customize filling other fields. It is detailed in 
http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/


>>- *contents.tag:* ahí indicas la etiqueta de los tiddlers que quieres 
>>que aparezcan en la pestaña. Por ejemplo: "$:/type/comments", 
>>"$:/type/journal", "tasks", etc.
>>
>> Ok, creo que esto está relacionado con la pregunta anterior en la que te 
> preguntaba cómo definir tabs, pero creo que se me escapa algo.  
>

If you want a tab showing a list of journal tiddlers, add the 
field+content: "*contents.tag: $:/type/journal*" to that tab tiddler.
 

Saludos,

Alberto

>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El viernes, 9 de enero de 2015, 19:46:29 (UTC+1), Alberto Molina escribió:
>
> Hi Danielo,
>
> I am currently working on a new version of the plugin, with less bugs, 
> better features, and much easier to customize. Its not yet finished but 
> usable enough. I just uploaded it so you can take advantage of the 
> customization enhancements: magictabs.tiddlyspot.com
>

But this is not compatible with the previous version right?
 

>  
>
> I'm glad you find it useful. Unfortunately, the plugin for teachers is in 
> a very early phase of development, so there's not much features. 
>
Well, I don't want to use it as a teacher, but to give the students a good 
material where they can take notes and ideas.
 

>  
>
> The field "parent" is just a way to categorize your contents, you can use 
> it as you wish. There's no restriction.
>
But I did not find any button or field to "automatically" create a new 
tiddler as a child.
 
 

> In order to better explain myself (and not spending hours figuring out how 
> to write it in english) I'm going to continue in spanish. But I promise to 
> write the documentation in english later on.
>
> En español. Imagino que lo que quieres hacer es adaptar las tablas para lo 
> que tú necesites. Yo traté de dividir las tablas en sus elementos 
> constitutivos, de modo que cada campo (título, etiquetas, texto, acerca de, 
> etc.) está en un tiddler diferente. De ese modo puedo reutilizarlos 
> independientemente uno de otro para hacer tablas diferentes. Por ejemplo el 
> campo "about" está en el tiddler $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/input/about
>

Nice to hear that. I miss the forms at the sidebar to add new tiddlers of 
each type. Are they still there?
 

>
> Además, están como macros globales, de modo que si escribes <> 
> en cualquier tiddler, te aparece el trozo de tabla correspondiente. En la 
> mayoría de los campos hay tres variables que puedes configurar: el "label", 
> el tiddler temporal que usas para almacenar los datos, y el campo que 
> editas. Las variables "label" y "field" se pueden meter directamente en la 
> macro:
> <>
>
> En cambio, el tiddler temporal se define desde fuera (porque dentro 
> aparece como $(tempTiddler)$:
> <$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">
>
> <>
>
> 
>
> En algunos sólo se puede cambiar el tempTiddler (tendré que hacerlo para 
> todos cuando tenga tiempo):
> <$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">
>
> <>
>
> 
>
> En algunos también se pueden definir "placeholder" y otras cosas, pero es 
> mejor verlo directamente en el tiddler correspondiente. Todos empiezan por 
> $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/
>

This is very powerful. Maybe you can use this small explanation to add it 
to the documentation.

 

>  
>
 
>
>> Is there any way to add tiddlers under a topic?
>>
>
> No entiendo muy bien lo que quieres decir. A cualquier tiddler se le 
> pueden añadir comentarios, notas, etc., y todos los tiddlers que estén 
> relacionados con éste aparecerán abajo en las pestañas correspondientes. 
> Por ejemplo, si tengo un tiddler "Catedral de Salamanca", puedo añadirle 
> comentarios, notas y más cosas que sólo aparecerán ahí porque tienen los 
> campos "about: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]" o "source: Catedral de Salamanca" 
> o "parent: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]".
>
> Esto lo has entendido más en otro post.

 

> Si además a tu tiddler le asignas un tipo, con la etiqueta 
> "$:/type/arquitectura", entonces puedes añadirle pestañas específicas a ese 
> tipo. Por ejemplo, debajo de cada tiddler con la etiqueta 
> "$:/type/arquitectura" puedo tener las pestañas "Fotos", "Elementos 
> destacados", "Técnicas constructivas".
>

No termino de ver claro cómo añadir nuevas pestañas. Ok, creo un tiddler y 
le pongo una tag que empieze con $:/type/algo, pero luego dónde defino las 
tabs? Dónde aparecerán esas tabs? En todos los tiddlers?
 

>
> Ahora es más fácil crear nuevas pestañas. Basta con clonar el patrón 
> ($:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab) y rellenar los campos que quieras, 
> especialmente:
>

Con ahora te refieres a la última versión que estás desarollando o también 
incluye la anterior?
 

>
>- *contents.tag:* ahí indicas la etiqueta de los tiddlers que quieres 
>que aparezcan en la pestaña. Por ejemplo: "$:/type/comments", 
>"$:/type/journal", "tasks", etc.
>
>
Ok, creo que esto está relacionado con la pregunta anterior en la que te 
preguntaba cómo definir tabs, pero creo que se me escapa algo.  
 

> Bueno, espero que sea suficiente para que te hagas una idea. Pero no dudes 
> en preguntarme si tienes más dudas.
>
>

Muchas gracias! 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi,

Le samedi 10 janvier 2015 19:21:31 UTC+1, cmari a écrit :
>
> Hi Alberto,
> I already liked tw-scholars, so I'm trying hard to keep up with all of 
> your improvements!  One thing I noticed is that the author list (in 
> "$:/plugins/.../lists/publications") doesn't seem to be sorting properly.  
> I tried creating new authors and publications in your dropbox version to 
> test things in case there was some problem with my fields.  Sorting by 
> title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not alphabetical.  
> Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything at all.  I wish 
> I could provide actual help rather than just a report, but I'm very 
> confused about where "authors" are defined.
> Thanks so much for what you've created - I use it daily.
> cmari
>

Fixed and improved!

Regards,

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alberto, 

>
>- *Types: *The relations are not only between tiddlers but also and 
>first about *types* of tiddlers: for instance, publications are 
>related to authors. Thus, we need a way to define types (since we can't 
> use 
>the field type). And a same tiddler can belong to different types (an 
>author is also a person, a note can also be a comment). 
>
> Yes, I was thinking the same about "related notes"... they're not only 
tiddlers, but they're really notes themselves in the sense that other notes 
can relate to them in the same context as semantic "children", i.e. 
pointing to them. In my case that means that they can not only show up in 
the left column but very much so, also in the right in case they are 
directly listed as notes to the context rather than just as related notes 
to a context-note, if that was understandably put.

>
>- My solution in MagicTabs is to use system tags with the prefix 
>*$:/type/* like* $:/type/author, $:/type/book, $:/type/note*, etc.
>
>
>- That way, it is easier to differentiate them from regular tags.
>   - I can hide them from view mode (with a custom ViewTemplate/tags)
>   - I can apply a different ViewTemplate for each tiddler type.
>   
> That is a bery useful pattern, I might just use the same for what now is 
called YoutubeSomething and will soon be MediaPlugin...

http://youtube.tiddlyspot.com/

...so as to not only be able to declare and relate annotations (and who 
knows what) to (embedded) media references, but also to provide hooks for 
extensions that provide an adaptor to yet another media type, e.g. vimeo, 
mp3, ogg, site foo... think of it as a special "plugin-extension" called 
...i don't know... emoji's for your bottom tabs... which would show some 
ridiculous image... anyhow, the point being, the extension encapsulates and 
formalizes its own content, but hooks into your magic-tabs or "my" 
cornellish notes architecture to show up like any other of your "tabs" or 
of my "related contents".

>
>- *Fields: *The semantic relations must be meaningful but general 
>enough to be applied to different types of tiddlers.
>
>
>- So far, in MagicTabs, I use the following generic relations:
>  - *authors*: this is a list field since a book or a paper, a 
>  song or a recipe, a plugin or a monument, can have several authors. 
>  - *about*: a note, a comment, a quote, a book, etc., is *about* 
>  something, it talks *about* something which can be (or not) 
>  another tiddler. This is also a list field since a note can talk 
> about 
>  different things.
>  - *source*: the source of a quote is a publication, the source 
>  of an image can be a webpage, the source of a character can be a 
> novel, etc.
>  - *parent*: this field is to create a generic hierarchy or 
>  categorization different from authors and source. This is a list 
> field.
>   
> Thanks you so much for the details, I was hoping that one day I'd 
understand the distinctions. ^^

>
>- But specific relations can be necessary:
>
>
>- *ingredients*: for cooking recipes
>   - *courses*: for students and teachers, resources, lessons.
>   
> Indeed... thinking of this cornell thing... ingredients could be listed 
alongside a step in the preparation process as links to further information 
...about "artichokes"... also makes me think that for a related not I might 
want to see more than a title, e.g. a related quantity... when it comes to 
"ingredients".

As for the note for step X, one thing would be to establish the semantic 
relationship: "ingedient=artichoke" and the other would be... 
"quantity:3"... for this step in the process.

One might also wish to see a list of all "ingredients" to a "recipe"... the 
recipe being the note-context... so not just to the preparation step. Or, 
well, all open questions, notes, comments, references, foo bar baz... to a 
context... being a tiddler.

>
>- *Lists:* Besides types and fields, we need to show the related 
>tiddlers through lists. And we need a mechanism to *relate lists to 
>types*. 
>
>
>- This is where I use the *bottom tabs*, which is a solution among 
>   others. And the mechanism used by MagicTabs is similar to the 
>   $:/tags/foo used by the core:
>   - Any tiddler tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/foo* will be displayed as a 
>  bottom tab in all tiddlers tagged *$:/type/foo*. 
>  - For instance, if we have tiddlers tagged *$:/type/ingredient*, 
>  we can create a tab showing a list of recipes using those 
> ingredients with 
>  a tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/ingredient* and the corresponding list 
>  filter.
>   
> Yes, I was thinking you'd do that and it makes total sense. In my case, it 
would be a template that defines a line-item rather than a full-blown tab.

>
>- *Customization:* We have to separate c

[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Tobias,

I agree that magictabs and cornell could and should share patterns and 
paradigms. The difference could be more a question of themes and usecase 
than a question of code.

After spending a lot of time trying different solutions for my own usecase, 
my essential conclusions so far are the following:

   1. *Types: *The relations are not only between tiddlers but also and 
   first about *types* of tiddlers: for instance, publications are related 
   to authors. Thus, we need a way to define types (since we can't use the 
   field type). And a same tiddler can belong to different types (an author is 
   also a person, a note can also be a comment). 
  - My solution in MagicTabs is to use system tags with the prefix 
  *$:/type/* like* $:/type/author, $:/type/book, $:/type/note*, etc.
 - That way, it is easier to differentiate them from regular tags.
 - I can hide them from view mode (with a custom ViewTemplate/tags)
 - I can apply a different ViewTemplate for each tiddler type.
  2. *Fields: *The semantic relations must be meaningful but general 
   enough to be applied to different types of tiddlers.
  - So far, in MagicTabs, I use the following generic relations:
 - *authors*: this is a list field since a book or a paper, a song 
 or a recipe, a plugin or a monument, can have several authors. 
 - *about*: a note, a comment, a quote, a book, etc., is *about* 
 something, it talks *about* something which can be (or not) 
 another tiddler. This is also a list field since a note can talk about 
 different things.
 - *source*: the source of a quote is a publication, the source of 
 an image can be a webpage, the source of a character can be a novel, 
etc.
 - *parent*: this field is to create a generic hierarchy or 
 categorization different from authors and source. This is a list field.
  - But specific relations can be necessary:
 - *ingredients*: for cooking recipes
 - *courses*: for students and teachers, resources, lessons.
  3. *Lists:* Besides types and fields, we need to show the related 
   tiddlers through lists. And we need a mechanism to *relate lists to 
   types*. 
  - This is where I use the *bottom tabs*, which is a solution among 
  others. And the mechanism used by MagicTabs is similar to the 
  $:/tags/foo used by the core:
  - Any tiddler tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/foo* will be displayed as a 
 bottom tab in all tiddlers tagged *$:/type/foo*. 
 - For instance, if we have tiddlers tagged *$:/type/ingredient*, 
 we can create a tab showing a list of recipes using those ingredients 
with 
 a tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/ingredient* and the corresponding list 
 filter.
  4. *Customization:* We have to separate contents (like filters in 
   tabs) and the way they are displayed. If this is done properly, then the 
   same semantic relations can be shown as bottom tabs, left-column contents 
   (Cornell), or any other way, applying a theme or another.


To me it feels like I want to dive into your code a little more before 
> setting out to implement that "cornell stuff".
>

The core of MagicTabs, if you want to understand how it works, is:

   - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/TabsBar 
   

   - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabContents 
   

   - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabCaption 
   

   - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/inputSlider 
   


Best wishes,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alberto,

What would be desireable is for magictabs and cornell to build on
similar — if not the same — patterns and paradigms in terms of how...

   - tiddlers are semantically related via fields ...and also basic tagging
   - sets of semantic relations defined via filters conditionally render...
  - magic tabs: bottom tabs
  - cornell: left-column contents, e.g. the types of related-notes and 
  the buttons to create them
   - customization works, so as to be able to...
  - magic tabs: define new (conditional) tabs, relations, contents, 
  icons ...tiddler types, really
  - cornell: define new (conditional) related notes and buttons to 
  create, and edit them
   
To me it feels like I want to dive into your code a little more before 
setting out to implement that "cornell stuff".

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Cmari,

Thanks for your kind words and for the report. Lately, I've been doing more 
coding than testing or even using the plugin, thus I'm not aware of all the 
bugs. 

Sorting by title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not 
> alphabetical.  Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything 
> at all.
>

I'll check that.

Regards,

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

>
> http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com/#Topic
>>
>  

I like it very much! How to add a new note?
>

What you see there is just an hours work of prototyping... nothing that 
works yet.

The wiki so far only holds something of a (now updated) spec for how that 
could work...
and eventually will also hold the implementation, I think.

Adding a new note will work by clicking on one of those bars so as to 
insert it at that spot. RelatedNotes will be added via typed buttons in the 
left column which is listing them.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Tobias,

Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I 
>> don't understand all the details of your proposition.
>
>
> When I have made a demo, I'll ping back here.
>

I look forward to seeing it.
  

> I think it's all coming together nicely and, perhaps after taking the time 
> and giving the above issue another read, you will find that what you're 
> doing is precisely that! Now, imagine TiddlyMap being able to simply hook 
> into your MagicTabs relatiohships and display them in a Graph. That's only 
> possible thanks to the kind of semantic relationship pattern I was 
> discussing in that issue and you're already implementing, even 
> configurably so.


TiddlyMap being able to simply hook into the MagicTabs relationships and 
display them in a Graph would led TW to a new dimension!
 

> Have a look at...
>
> http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com 
> 
>

> Especially...
>
> http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com/#Topic
>
> A few days ago I realized that what I want to get to is pretty much the 
> same pattern you use, only just not as bottom tabs but as semantic lists in 
> a kind of note-list to the left hand side of each note ...with buttons 
> defined via relationship patterns defined by the user that allow to create 
> related tiddlers to a note, e.g. an idea, a question, a reference, a 
> comment, a what-not.
>

I like it very much! How to add a new note?

And yes, we are both going in the same direction. I'm very interested in 
how you are doing it.

Regards,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[cmari]

Hi Alberto,
I already liked tw-scholars, so I'm trying hard to keep up with all of your 
improvements!  One thing I noticed is that the author list (in 
"$:/plugins/.../lists/publications") doesn't seem to be sorting properly.  
I tried creating new authors and publications in your dropbox version to 
test things in case there was some problem with my fields.  Sorting by 
title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not alphabetical.  
Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything at all.  I wish 
I could provide actual help rather than just a report, but I'm very 
confused about where "authors" are defined.
Thanks so much for what you've created - I use it daily.
cmari

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alberto,
 

> For people like me, with structured tw, tags are easy to use and good to 
> see in view mode, but meaningless. They just mean : there is some kind of 
> relation between this and that, but I don't know what kind of relation it 
> is. 

 

Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I 
> don't understand all the details of your proposition.


When I have made a demo, I'll ping back here.
 

> What I try to do with the MagicTabs plugin...


I think it's all coming together nicely and, perhaps after taking the time 
and giving the above issue another read, you will find that what you're 
doing is precisely that! Now, imagine TiddlyMap being able to simply hook 
into your MagicTabs relatiohships and display them in a Graph. That's only 
possible thanks to the kind of semantic relationship pattern I was 
discussing in that issue and you're already implementing, even configurably 
so.

Thus, any kind of mechanism to create meaningful but tags-like fields is 
> more than welcome.
>

Have a look at...

http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com

Especially...

http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com/#Topic

A few days ago I realized that what I want to get to is pretty much the 
same pattern you use, only just not as bottom tabs but as semantic lists in 
a kind of note-list to the left hand side of each note ...with buttons 
defined via relationship patterns defined by the user that allow to create 
related tiddlers to a note, e.g. an idea, a question, a reference, a 
comment, a what-not.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Tobias,
I didn't know about that discussion. Thanks!

Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I 
don't understand all the details of your proposition. I tried some time ago to 
adapt the tags selector in edit mode to work with other fields, but I failed 
since my knowledge of the internals isn't good enough.

For people like me, with structured tw, tags are easy to use and good to see in 
view mode, but meaningless. They just mean : there is some kind of relation 
between this and that, but I don't know what kind of relation it is.

What I try to do with the MagicTabs plugin (former BottomTabs, former Scholars, 
former... ) is to create meaningful (but generic) relationships between 
tiddlers with fields like: authors, about, source, parent. Then, I want to show 
these relationships : first by displaying the values of these fields as tags, 
but before the regular tabs (i.e. pseudo-tags on the left, real tags on the 
right); and second by displaying the contents of these related tiddlers using 
bottom tabs. That way, all the relevant information concerning, for instance, 
William Shakespeare, can be seen and accessed and incremented without leaving 
William Shakespeare's tiddler. 

Thus, any kind of mechanism to create meaningful but tags-like fields is more 
than welcome. 

Best wishes, 

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Tobias, 

I didn't know about that discussion. Thanks! 

Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I 
don't understand all the details of your proposition. I tried some time ago to 
adapt the tags selector in edit mode to work with other fields, but I failed 
since my knowledge of the internals isn't good enough.

For people like me, with structured tw, tags are easy to use and good to see in 
view mode, but meaningless. They just mean : thhas 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Alberto,

Yes, thanks for clearing that up!
 

> Well, they are all the tiddlers with a field *parent* or *source* whose 
> content points to the current tiddler. It is the case of all the tiddlers 
> you can create through the other tabs, like comments, notes, ideas, quotes, 
> journals, etc. When you add a comment to the tiddler *William Shakespeare* 
> using 
> the form in its "comments tab", the field+value "*source: [[William 
> Shakespeare]]*" is automatically added to the new comment tiddler. For 
> instance, the tiddler *Doubts about authorship* have the field+value: "
> *about: authorship*" and "*source: [[William Shakespeare]]*".
>

This very much goes into the direction of this issue...

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1324 

So, you're making a good case for it, now that I understand what is 
happening.
Perhaps consider that popup discussed at that issue.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Danielo,

Thanks to Tobias last message, I understand that I misunderstood your first 
question:

what is considered Children of a tiddler? 
>

You are talking about the tiddlers that appear under "Children of this 
tiddler" in the info tab, aren't you?

Well, they are all the tiddlers with a field *parent* or *source* whose 
content points to the current tiddler. It is the case of all the tiddlers 
you can create through the other tabs, like comments, notes, ideas, quotes, 
journals, etc. When you add a comment to the tiddler *William Shakespeare* 
using 
the form in its "comments tab", the field+value "*source: [[William 
Shakespeare]]*" is automatically added to the new comment tiddler. For 
instance, the tiddler *Doubts about authorship* have the field+value: "
*about: authorship*" and "*source: [[William Shakespeare]]*".

Hope this answer is more helpful than my previous one.

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

While all this is really great stuff, I'm also a bit confused, Alberto.

If I look at...

*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/tabs/info*

...I see that it asks for a tagging list at the bottom

However, if I look at *William Shapespeare*,
there appears to be also that image tagging to it.
What is going on there?

I notice that there is...

*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/tags*

tagged *$:/tags/ViewTemplate *so that will add those "pseudo-tags"

But then...

*$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags*

...looks like an untagged shadow (fat link),
yet it doesn't have any *$:/tags/ViewTemplate* tag anymore?

Anyhow, I like how you've added more tiddlers to the taglist than actual 
tags,
although that is indeed a bit confusing.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

By the way, three little things:

   1. the new "MagicTabs" plugins adds a button in the sidebar to open a 
   very useful "dashboard" tiddler.
   2. it is possible to tweak the plugin appearance under "Control panel" > 
   "Appearance" > "MagicTabs tweaks"
   3. if you want to see the latest updates, check 
   https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2rx1twq6aotnsr/AMP%20-%20dev.html?dl=0

I hope to publish soon (next week?) the version 0.0.2 after I add features 
like the chapters button, and after I fix remaining bugs.

Regards,
alberto


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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo,

I am currently working on a new version of the plugin, with less bugs, 
better features, and much easier to customize. Its not yet finished but 
usable enough. I just uploaded it so you can take advantage of the 
customization enhancements: magictabs.tiddlyspot.com

I'm using your plugin to create the material for a course I will teach. 


 

I'm glad you find it useful. Unfortunately, the plugin for teachers is in a 
very early phase of development, so there's not much features. 
 

> I want to know how can I add custom ways of link things. For example, what 
> is considered Children of a tiddler?
>

The field "parent" is just a way to categorize your contents, you can use 
it as you wish. There's no restriction.
For example, if you teach spanish, then "Grammar" is a parent of "Verbs", 
and "Verbs" a parent of "Imperative".
And if you teach informatics, "Javascript" is a child of "programming 
language", or a child of "prototype-based scripting language".



 

> How can I configure the fields at the forms?
>

In order to better explain myself (and not spending hours figuring out how 
to write it in english) I'm going to continue in spanish. But I promise to 
write the documentation in english later on.

En español. Imagino que lo que quieres hacer es adaptar las tablas para lo 
que tú necesites. Yo traté de dividir las tablas en sus elementos 
constitutivos, de modo que cada campo (título, etiquetas, texto, acerca de, 
etc.) está en un tiddler diferente. De ese modo puedo reutilizarlos 
independientemente uno de otro para hacer tablas diferentes. Por ejemplo el 
campo "about" está en el tiddler $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/input/about

Además, están como macros globales, de modo que si escribes <> 
en cualquier tiddler, te aparece el trozo de tabla correspondiente. En la 
mayoría de los campos hay tres variables que puedes configurar: el "label", 
el tiddler temporal que usas para almacenar los datos, y el campo que 
editas. Las variables "label" y "field" se pueden meter directamente en la 
macro:
<>

En cambio, el tiddler temporal se define desde fuera (porque dentro aparece 
como $(tempTiddler)$:
<$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">

<>



En algunos sólo se puede cambiar el tempTiddler (tendré que hacerlo para 
todos cuando tenga tiempo):
<$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">

<>



En algunos también se pueden definir "placeholder" y otras cosas, pero es 
mejor verlo directamente en el tiddler correspondiente. Todos empiezan por 
$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/



 

> Is there any way to add tiddlers under a topic?
>

No entiendo muy bien lo que quieres decir. A cualquier tiddler se le pueden 
añadir comentarios, notas, etc., y todos los tiddlers que estén 
relacionados con éste aparecerán abajo en las pestañas correspondientes. 
Por ejemplo, si tengo un tiddler "Catedral de Salamanca", puedo añadirle 
comentarios, notas y más cosas que sólo aparecerán ahí porque tienen los 
campos "about: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]" o "source: Catedral de Salamanca" 
o "parent: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]".

Si además a tu tiddler le asignas un tipo, con la etiqueta 
"$:/type/arquitectura", entonces puedes añadirle pestañas específicas a ese 
tipo. Por ejemplo, debajo de cada tiddler con la etiqueta 
"$:/type/arquitectura" puedo tener las pestañas "Fotos", "Elementos 
destacados", "Técnicas constructivas".

Ahora es más fácil crear nuevas pestañas. Basta con clonar el patrón 
($:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab) y rellenar los campos que quieras, 
especialmente:

   - *contents.tag:* ahí indicas la etiqueta de los tiddlers que quieres 
   que aparezcan en la pestaña. Por ejemplo: "$:/type/comments", 
   "$:/type/journal", "tasks", etc.
   - *list.filter*
  - el filtro por defecto está definido 
  en $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabFilter como:
 - [all[current]listed[source]] [all[current]listed[parent]] 
[all[current]listed[about]] 
 +[tag[$type$]]
- donde $type$ hace referencia al contenido de *contents.tag*
 - Si rellenas el campo, se usará el filtro que tú definas. 
   - *list.heading*
  - El nombre que aparece como título de la lista de tiddlers
   - *list.template*
  - El título del tiddler donde se encuentra el modelo para mostrar los 
  resultados de la lista. Si no indicas ninguno, aparecerán como simple 
lista.
   - *add.content*
  - El título del tiddler donde se encuentra el modelo de tiddler que 
  quieres crear, o bien la tabla+botón para añadir nuevos tiddlers.
   
<> permite poner automaticamente el "caption" con el icono y el 
contador de resultados.
<> permite mostrar automáticamente la(s) lista(s) de 
resultados definidos en los campos list.filter, list.heading, etc.
<> permite mostrar el botón "+" para añadir nuevos tiddlers. 
El contenido de esta macro es el definido en add.content


Bueno, espero que sea suficiente para que te hagas una idea. Pero no dudes 
en preguntarme si tienes más dudas.

S

[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

I'm using your plugin to create the material for a course I will teach. I 
want to know how can I add custom ways of link things. For example, what is 
considered Children of a tiddler? How can I configure the fields at the 
forms? Is there any way to add tiddlers under a topic?

Thank you for your help and thank you for this plugin.

Regards.

El jueves, 1 de enero de 2015, 12:53:43 (UTC+1), Alberto Molina escribió:
>
> Hi Emilio, 
>
> Yes, the button hasn't been created yet. Thanks for reporting. 
>
> Saludos, 
>
> Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Emilio, 

Yes, the button hasn't been created yet. Thanks for reporting. 

Saludos, 

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Emilio Rincón-Gallardo]

Hi Alberto:

There is no add button in the chapter form

Saludos

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> Hi all,
>
> The buttons for creating new publications and new quotes were not working 
> well. The problems identified are now fixed. (But other problems might 
> remain.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Alberto
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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi all,

The buttons for creating new publications and new quotes were not working 
well. The problems identified are now fixed. (But other problems might 
remain.)

Regards,

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Emilio and all,
 

> You're right, it's a bug. Thanks for reporting! 
> I'm going to look what happened and upload the correction. 
>

The big ugly big has been killed :)

Actually, there was several problems, one affecting the "new publication 
button" which didn't create the authors field, and another affecting the 
"publications tab" which was not properly rewritten.

Thanks for reporting the bug, and keep reporting if you find others.

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Emilio, 

You're right, it's a bug. Thanks for reporting!

I'm going to look what happened and upload the correction. 

Regards, 

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Emilio Rincón-Gallardo]

Hi Alberto:

I followed each step from 1 to 5, after making click on add button, the 
tiddler -publication-, opens in draft mode, I click on the tick to close 
it. The publication tiddler is there,  but 'nada' no title, or increment on 
publications on author tiddler.???.

Thanks y saludos.

Emilio

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> Hi Emilio,
>
> I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I 
>> could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
>> What Iḿ doing wrong?
>>
>
>
>1. After creating the author, open its tiddler. You should see the 
>tabs bar at the bottom right of the tiddler. One of them is the 
>publications tab.
>2. Inside the publications tab, there's a plus (+) button on the right 
>. Click the button. You should see a form to fill with authors, title, 
>date, etc.
>3. Choose between book and article by clicking on it.
>4. When you start writing the title, the "add" button for creating the 
>book/article should appear at the bottom of the form.
>5. Fill all the fields you want and click the "add" button.
>
> It works for me. Tell me of its OK for you.
>
> Another thing. If you want an empty tiddlywiki with my plugins, install 
> them from bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Alberto 
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Emilio Rincón-Gallardo]

Hi Alberto:

I followed each step from 1 to 5, after making click on add button, the 
tiddler -publication-, opens in draft mode, I click on the tick to close 
it. The publication tiddler is there,  but 'nada' no title, or increment on 
publications on author tiddler.???.

Thanks y saludos.

Emilio

On Monday, December 22, 2014 5:25:32 AM UTC-6, Alberto Molina wrote:
>
> Hi Emilio,
>
> I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I 
>> could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
>> What Iḿ doing wrong?
>>
>
>
>1. After creating the author, open its tiddler. You should see the 
>tabs bar at the bottom right of the tiddler. One of them is the 
>publications tab.
>2. Inside the publications tab, there's a plus (+) button on the right 
>. Click the button. You should see a form to fill with authors, title, 
>date, etc.
>3. Choose between book and article by clicking on it.
>4. When you start writing the title, the "add" button for creating the 
>book/article should appear at the bottom of the form.
>5. Fill all the fields you want and click the "add" button.
>
> It works for me. Tell me of its OK for you.
>
> Another thing. If you want an empty tiddlywiki with my plugins, install 
> them from bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Alberto 
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Emilio,

I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I 
> could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
> What Iḿ doing wrong?
>


   1. After creating the author, open its tiddler. You should see the tabs 
   bar at the bottom right of the tiddler. One of them is the publications tab.
   2. Inside the publications tab, there's a plus (+) button on the right . 
   Click the button. You should see a form to fill with authors, title, date, 
   etc.
   3. Choose between book and article by clicking on it.
   4. When you start writing the title, the "add" button for creating the 
   book/article should appear at the bottom of the form.
   5. Fill all the fields you want and click the "add" button.

It works for me. Tell me of its OK for you.

Another thing. If you want an empty tiddlywiki with my plugins, install 
them from bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com.

Saludos,

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Emilio Rincón-Gallardo]

Hi Alberto:


I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I 
could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
What Iḿ doing wrong?

Best wishes, Emilio

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 5:21:20 AM UTC-6, Alberto Molina wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> Taking advantage of the new features of 5.1.5, I have created a set of 
> plugins called BottomTabs. The basic one is a multipurpose combination of 
> tools. And it can be extended with extra plugins for doing specific things. 
> One of them is for academic readings (TW for Scholars 
>  reloaded).
>
> The basic tools and features are already there, but the rough edges must 
> be polished and the documentation written.
>
> Plugins here: bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com
>
> Regards,
> Alberto
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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

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>
> To me your bottom bar is rendered such that when I hover an icon, at least 
> those to the left of it also move around, shifting left.
> This made the experience a "jumpy one" for me, hence my suggested css.
>

You can, perhaps, see what I mean by hovering left <> right over the bar... 
and see the other icons jump, rather than just the currently hovered one 
being magnyfied.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

hi Alberto,
 

> I've seen your other changes to the stylesheet. I'm not sure to understand 
> everything (for I'm not fluent in css) but it looks good. Thanks a lot!
>

Not sure how it works for you and if it's related to my zoomed view.
By the way, why is it that I cannot change the zoomlevel when viewing your 
site? It seems stuck at my default 150%.

To me your bottom bar is rendered such that when I hover an icon, at least 
those to the left of it also move around, shifting left.
This made the experience a "jumpy one" for me, hence my suggested css.

Also, I need to learn more how you've implemented those contextually 
changing bottom bars.
(Haven't yet looked at the code).

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

@Tobias

I've seen your other changes to the stylesheet. I'm not sure to understand 
everything (for I'm not fluent in css) but it looks good. Thanks a lot!

Alberto

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Danielo,

Glad to see you finally decided to move your customizations into plugins. 
> They really turn TW into a valuable tool for those scenarios your plugins 
> are aimed for. I would love to see different editions or a more general one.
>

Yes, the idea is to have different editions for different use cases, packed 
as extra plugins to the basic one.
 

> I'm horrible giving hierarchy to things and organizing topics, so I'm 
> afraid I can not adapt your plugins to fit my own scenarios (mostly 
> technical knowledge). I really envy your ability to built this.
>

The basic usecase is the ability to add comments to your tiddlers, and to 
see other related tiddlers throught the fields "about", "parent" and 
"source" which could be used for instance for documentation of your 
technical knowledge tw.
 

> A small suggestion, in order to avoid this
> Type the text for the tiddler '$:/temp/title'
>
> You can define a default value for that field on the edit-text widget. So 
> if you write it like this
> <$edit-text tag="input" default="" placeholder="title"/> 
> It will be prettier.
>

Thanks! I didn't know how to avoid this behaviour.

Regards,

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Alberto,

Glad to see you finally decided to move your customizations into plugins. 
They really turn TW into a valuable tool for those scenarios your plugins 
are aimed for. I would love to see different editions or a more general 
one. I'm horrible giving hierarchy to things and organizing topics, so I'm 
afraid I can not adapt your plugins to fit my own scenarios (mostly 
technical knowledge). I really envy your ability to built this.

A small suggestion, in order to avoid this
Type the text for the tiddler '$:/temp/title'

You can define a default value for that field on the edit-text widget. So 
if you write it like this
<$edit-text tag="input" default="" placeholder="title"/> 
It will be prettier.

Regards.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Oops: Tobias (not Thomas) sorry!

I played a bit with the css that will hopefully stop the buttons from 
>> shuffling around.
>>
>
> Shuffling around? Do you mean they move in some way?  I didn't see that, 
> maybe a browser problem (I' m under Ubuntu + Firefox, Chrome, 
> TiddlyDesktop).
>
> Give it a try (amongst others, I gave the buttons a min-width of 45 which 
>> won't have them jump with up to 2-digit numbers)...
>>
>
> Thanks a lot! It gave it a try and the min width is a good idea, but 45 
> looks like excessive to me (see picture), so I changed it to 25. Is it okay 
> seen from your browser?
>

Second thought: it could be related to the screen resolution. Do you have a 
hi-res screen? (Mine is 1300x800)

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Alberto Molina]

Hi Tomas,

Wow... http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com
> This is beautiful and a pleasure to browse, Alberto!


Thanks!

I played a bit with the css that will hopefully stop the buttons from 
> shuffling around.
>

Shuffling around? Do you mean they move in some way?  I didn't see that, 
maybe a browser problem (I' m under Ubuntu + Firefox, Chrome, 
TiddlyDesktop).

Give it a try (amongst others, I gave the buttons a min-width of 45 which 
> won't have them jump with up to 2-digit numbers)...
>

Thanks a lot! It gave it a try and the min width is a good idea, but 45 
looks like excessive to me (see picture), so I changed it to 25. Is it okay 
seen from your browser?

Alberto


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[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)

[Tobias Beer]

Wow... http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com

This is beautiful and a pleasure to browse, Alberto!

With a bit of searching I even found the bottom tabs. :)

I played a bit with the css that will hopefully stop the buttons from 
shuffling around.

Give it a try (amongst others, I gave the buttons a min-width of 45 which 
won't have them jump with up to 2-digit numbers)...

*title: $:/plugins/amp/BT/css/BottomTabs/tabs*

.bottom-tabs {
 margin: 0px 0px -42px 0px;
}

.tc-tab-divider {
 display: none;
}

.tc-tiddler-controls .close-tabs {
 position: relative;
 bottom: -3px;
}

.bottom-tabs div.tc-tab-buttons {
 text-align: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/position/$:/plugins/amp/BT}};
 padding: 0px 0px 14px 0px;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button{
 min-width:45px;
 display:inline-block;
 font-size:12px;
 text-align:center;
 border-radius: 10px 10px 0px 0px;
 box-shadow: 2px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button:not(.tc-tab-selected):hover {
 color: <>;
 background: transparent;
 font-weight: bold;
 font-size: 16px;
 margin-top:-5px;
}


.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button.tc-tab-selected {
 color: <>;
 background-color: <>;
 font-weight: bold;
 font-size: 16px;
 padding-bottom:6px;
 margin-bottom: -4px;
 box-shadow: 2px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons.blue button.tc-tab-selected {
 background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##blue}};
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons.red button.tc-tab-selected {
 background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##red}};
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons.yellow button.tc-tab-selected {
 background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT
##yellow}};
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button:not(.tc-tab-selected) {
 background-color: <>;
 color:  #c0c0c0;
 border-left: <>;
 border-right: <>;
 border-top: <>;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content {
 margin: -14px -42px 0px -42px;
 padding: 14px 42px 14px 42px;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content.blue {
 background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##blue}};
 border-top: 1px solid <>;
 border-bottom: 1px solid <>;
 box-shadow: 1px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content.red {
 background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##red}};
 border-top: 1px solid <>;
 border-bottom: 1px solid <>;
 box-shadow: 1px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content.yellow {
 background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT
##yellow}};
 border-top: 1px solid <>;
 border-bottom: 1px solid <>;
 box-shadow: 1px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

Best wishes, Tobias.

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