Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Magev,
 

> Would it be possible to show the field "caption" instead of "title"?
>

Sure, I have added an example here...

Custom Window Title @ tb5 
 

or short...

title: $:/core/wiki/title

{{$:/SiteTitle}} — <$tiddler tiddler={{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}}><$view 
field="caption">{{!!title}}

Best wishes,

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[magev958]

Would it be possible to show the field "caption" instead of "title"?

Den söndag 27 september 2015 kl. 21:44:48 UTC+2 skrev Tobias Beer:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>  
>
>> It's actually a bit easier than that. Set $:/SiteTitle to:
>> {{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}}
>>
>
> Thanks, that's nice. I have added a little *Window Title* how-to here...
>
> Custom Window Title @ tb5 
> 
>
> Best wishes,
>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Hi *Jeremy*,

Yes, thanks, that simple change of wording in the official docs would make 
a lot more sense of this to me. I won't go making a pull request just for 
that though. But the next time I do, if I remember, I'll add it to the PR 
if it hasn't been done already.

Thanks,

Hegart.


On Tuesday, 29 September 2015 04:56:03 UTC+13, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Hegart
>
> Thanks for explaining that. Doesn't having the core as a plugin contradict 
>> the very nature of a plugin, which you describe in the official docs as 
>> *"Plugins 
>> are used to distribute optional, custom components for TiddlyWiki 
>> "*, (emphasis mine). I would have 
>> thought that the core itself is not optional, thus it shouldn't be 
>> described as a plugin. It seems confusing to me.
>>
>
> Perhaps it should say "plugins can be used to distribute optional, custom 
> components" to make it clearer that not all plugins are for that purpose.
>
> Plugins are a general purpose mechanism for packing multiple tiddlers into 
> the same container tiddler.  They are used for a number of different 
> purposes around the system, but their behaviour is always the same: when 
> activated, their payload tiddlers become visible as shadow tiddlers.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>  
>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Hegart.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 28 September 2015 11:15:20 UTC+13, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Hegart
>>>
>>> The missing piece is that there is a plugin called $:/core that contains 
>>> the main core code of TiddlyWiki. It is always present, and it is the 
>>> source of the shadow tiddlers you are seeing. You can see it listed in the 
>>> "Plugins" tab of the control panel.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Hegart Dmishiv  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've been looking back over ShadowTiddlers 
  again in the official TW5 
 docs, trying to get a handle on all of this. It says *"ShadowTiddlers 
  are tiddlers that are loaded from 
 within Plugins ."* Looking at the 
 Plugins tiddler in the docs, I see a list of available plugins. From the 
 description of *"Plugins are used to distribute optional, custom 
 components for TiddlyWiki ."* I 
 assume I have to install a plugin myself for it to work, right? A bit like 
 the extensions  for 
 MediaWiki. As far as I know, I haven't installed any plugins for TW5. 
 Haha, 
 I wouldn't even know how to yet! So where do these Shadow Tiddlers come 
 from, from which plugins, if I haven't installed any plugins yet?

 I see a huge list of *"current shadow tiddlers"* listed on the 
 ShadowTiddlers tiddler in the official docs. At first I assumed that these 
 are only the shadow tiddlers for plugins which are installed in the TW 
 wiki 
 instance at tiddlywiki.com, but then I copied the <$list> filter from 
 the code on that page, into a new tiddler in my own instance of TW5 and 
 got 
 the same results (or near enough, a huge long list) as what I saw on 
 tiddlywiki.com. 

 So now I'm even more confused:

1. The docs say that shadow tiddlers come from plugins.
2. I haven't installed any plugins.
3. I have shadow tiddlers anyway.

 Can anyone explain this to me better, and maybe we can get the official 
 docs updated, or maybe there needs to be a "TiddlyWiki for Dummies" book. 
 I 
 saw *@Eric*'s IndieGoGo page 
 ,
  
 but that campaign had closed long before I had even heard about 
 TiddlyWiki. 
 Not that I could have afforded to contribute much, anyway, sorry.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Hegart

Thanks for explaining that. Doesn't having the core as a plugin contradict
> the very nature of a plugin, which you describe in the official docs as 
> *"Plugins
> are used to distribute optional, custom components for TiddlyWiki
> "*, (emphasis mine). I would have
> thought that the core itself is not optional, thus it shouldn't be
> described as a plugin. It seems confusing to me.
>

Perhaps it should say "plugins can be used to distribute optional, custom
components" to make it clearer that not all plugins are for that purpose.

Plugins are a general purpose mechanism for packing multiple tiddlers into
the same container tiddler.  They are used for a number of different
purposes around the system, but their behaviour is always the same: when
activated, their payload tiddlers become visible as shadow tiddlers.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



>
> Kind regards,
>
> Hegart.
>
>
> On Monday, 28 September 2015 11:15:20 UTC+13, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hegart
>>
>> The missing piece is that there is a plugin called $:/core that contains
>> the main core code of TiddlyWiki. It is always present, and it is the
>> source of the shadow tiddlers you are seeing. You can see it listed in the
>> "Plugins" tab of the control panel.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Hegart Dmishiv 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been looking back over ShadowTiddlers
>>>  again in the official TW5 docs,
>>> trying to get a handle on all of this. It says *"ShadowTiddlers
>>>  are tiddlers that are loaded from
>>> within Plugins ."* Looking at the
>>> Plugins tiddler in the docs, I see a list of available plugins. From the
>>> description of *"Plugins are used to distribute optional, custom
>>> components for TiddlyWiki ."* I
>>> assume I have to install a plugin myself for it to work, right? A bit like
>>> the extensions  for
>>> MediaWiki. As far as I know, I haven't installed any plugins for TW5. Haha,
>>> I wouldn't even know how to yet! So where do these Shadow Tiddlers come
>>> from, from which plugins, if I haven't installed any plugins yet?
>>>
>>> I see a huge list of *"current shadow tiddlers"* listed on the
>>> ShadowTiddlers tiddler in the official docs. At first I assumed that these
>>> are only the shadow tiddlers for plugins which are installed in the TW wiki
>>> instance at tiddlywiki.com, but then I copied the <$list> filter from
>>> the code on that page, into a new tiddler in my own instance of TW5 and got
>>> the same results (or near enough, a huge long list) as what I saw on
>>> tiddlywiki.com.
>>>
>>> So now I'm even more confused:
>>>
>>>1. The docs say that shadow tiddlers come from plugins.
>>>2. I haven't installed any plugins.
>>>3. I have shadow tiddlers anyway.
>>>
>>> Can anyone explain this to me better, and maybe we can get the official
>>> docs updated, or maybe there needs to be a "TiddlyWiki for Dummies" book. I
>>> saw *@Eric*'s IndieGoGo page
>>> ,
>>> but that campaign had closed long before I had even heard about TiddlyWiki.
>>> Not that I could have afforded to contribute much, anyway, sorry.
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Hi *@Jeremy*,

Thanks for explaining that. Doesn't having the core as a plugin contradict 
the very nature of a plugin, which you describe in the official docs as 
*"Plugins 
are used to distribute optional, custom components for TiddlyWiki 
"*, (emphasis mine). I would have 
thought that the core itself is not optional, thus it shouldn't be 
described as a plugin. It seems confusing to me.

Kind regards,

Hegart.


On Monday, 28 September 2015 11:15:20 UTC+13, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Hegart
>
> The missing piece is that there is a plugin called $:/core that contains 
> the main core code of TiddlyWiki. It is always present, and it is the 
> source of the shadow tiddlers you are seeing. You can see it listed in the 
> "Plugins" tab of the control panel.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Hegart Dmishiv  > wrote:
>
>> I've been looking back over ShadowTiddlers 
>>  again in the official TW5 docs, 
>> trying to get a handle on all of this. It says *"ShadowTiddlers 
>>  are tiddlers that are loaded from 
>> within Plugins ."* Looking at the 
>> Plugins tiddler in the docs, I see a list of available plugins. From the 
>> description of *"Plugins are used to distribute optional, custom 
>> components for TiddlyWiki ."* I 
>> assume I have to install a plugin myself for it to work, right? A bit like 
>> the extensions  for 
>> MediaWiki. As far as I know, I haven't installed any plugins for TW5. Haha, 
>> I wouldn't even know how to yet! So where do these Shadow Tiddlers come 
>> from, from which plugins, if I haven't installed any plugins yet?
>>
>> I see a huge list of *"current shadow tiddlers"* listed on the 
>> ShadowTiddlers tiddler in the official docs. At first I assumed that these 
>> are only the shadow tiddlers for plugins which are installed in the TW wiki 
>> instance at tiddlywiki.com, but then I copied the <$list> filter from 
>> the code on that page, into a new tiddler in my own instance of TW5 and got 
>> the same results (or near enough, a huge long list) as what I saw on 
>> tiddlywiki.com. 
>>
>> So now I'm even more confused:
>>
>>1. The docs say that shadow tiddlers come from plugins.
>>2. I haven't installed any plugins.
>>3. I have shadow tiddlers anyway.
>>
>> Can anyone explain this to me better, and maybe we can get the official 
>> docs updated, or maybe there needs to be a "TiddlyWiki for Dummies" book. I 
>> saw *@Eric*'s IndieGoGo page 
>> ,
>>  
>> but that campaign had closed long before I had even heard about TiddlyWiki. 
>> Not that I could have afforded to contribute much, anyway, sorry.
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Hegart

The missing piece is that there is a plugin called $:/core that contains
the main core code of TiddlyWiki. It is always present, and it is the
source of the shadow tiddlers you are seeing. You can see it listed in the
"Plugins" tab of the control panel.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Hegart Dmishiv 
wrote:

> I've been looking back over ShadowTiddlers
>  again in the official TW5 docs,
> trying to get a handle on all of this. It says *"ShadowTiddlers
>  are tiddlers that are loaded from
> within Plugins ."* Looking at the Plugins
> tiddler in the docs, I see a list of available plugins. From the
> description of *"Plugins are used to distribute optional, custom
> components for TiddlyWiki ."* I assume
> I have to install a plugin myself for it to work, right? A bit like the
> extensions  for
> MediaWiki. As far as I know, I haven't installed any plugins for TW5. Haha,
> I wouldn't even know how to yet! So where do these Shadow Tiddlers come
> from, from which plugins, if I haven't installed any plugins yet?
>
> I see a huge list of *"current shadow tiddlers"* listed on the
> ShadowTiddlers tiddler in the official docs. At first I assumed that these
> are only the shadow tiddlers for plugins which are installed in the TW wiki
> instance at tiddlywiki.com, but then I copied the <$list> filter from the
> code on that page, into a new tiddler in my own instance of TW5 and got the
> same results (or near enough, a huge long list) as what I saw on
> tiddlywiki.com.
>
> So now I'm even more confused:
>
>1. The docs say that shadow tiddlers come from plugins.
>2. I haven't installed any plugins.
>3. I have shadow tiddlers anyway.
>
> Can anyone explain this to me better, and maybe we can get the official
> docs updated, or maybe there needs to be a "TiddlyWiki for Dummies" book. I
> saw *@Eric*'s IndieGoGo page
> ,
> but that campaign had closed long before I had even heard about TiddlyWiki.
> Not that I could have afforded to contribute much, anyway, sorry.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Hegart Dmishiv]

I've been looking back over ShadowTiddlers 
 again in the official TW5 docs, 
trying to get a handle on all of this. It says *"ShadowTiddlers 
 are tiddlers that are loaded from 
within Plugins ."* Looking at the Plugins 
tiddler in the docs, I see a list of available plugins. From the 
description of *"Plugins are used to distribute optional, custom components 
for TiddlyWiki ."* I assume I have to 
install a plugin myself for it to work, right? A bit like the extensions 
 for MediaWiki. As far as 
I know, I haven't installed any plugins for TW5. Haha, I wouldn't even know 
how to yet! So where do these Shadow Tiddlers come from, from which 
plugins, if I haven't installed any plugins yet?

I see a huge list of *"current shadow tiddlers"* listed on the 
ShadowTiddlers tiddler in the official docs. At first I assumed that these 
are only the shadow tiddlers for plugins which are installed in the TW wiki 
instance at tiddlywiki.com, but then I copied the <$list> filter from the 
code on that page, into a new tiddler in my own instance of TW5 and got the 
same results (or near enough, a huge long list) as what I saw on 
tiddlywiki.com. 

So now I'm even more confused:

   1. The docs say that shadow tiddlers come from plugins.
   2. I haven't installed any plugins.
   3. I have shadow tiddlers anyway.

Can anyone explain this to me better, and maybe we can get the official 
docs updated, or maybe there needs to be a "TiddlyWiki for Dummies" book. I 
saw *@Eric*'s IndieGoGo page 
,
 
but that campaign had closed long before I had even heard about TiddlyWiki. 
Not that I could have afforded to contribute much, anyway, sorry.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Hegart Dmishiv]

On Monday, 28 September 2015 09:39:40 UTC+13, Hegart Dmishiv wrote:
>
> From what I understand of TiddlyWiki so far, $:/core/wiki/title is a 
> system tiddler, which I can override by creating another tiddler of the 
> same name, which becomes a shadow tiddler for it. Is that about right?
>

Looks like I was wrong about that too. I clearly still don't understand 
much about TiddlyWiki so far. ;-)

There already was a shadow tiddler called $:/core/wiki/title, and that was 
the one I needed to edit, overriding the shadow tiddler itself, NOT 
overriding the core/system. But it worked, so thanks everyone, and I used 
*@Jermolene*'s answer about the current tiddler, referring to *@Tobi*'s 
example as well.

I got there, in a roundabout sort of way. Please bear with me as I learn. 
It will take time. ;-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Hegart Dmishiv]

On Monday, 28 September 2015 06:50:12 UTC+13, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> You can assume that anything posted before 2012 is NOT referring to TW5.


Thanks *@Eric*, I knew there was a difference between [TW5] and [TWC] but I 
didn't know when it started.

One big clue that the post was for TWClassic is use of the "systemConfig" 
> tag for plugins.  TW5 doesn't use that tag to define a plugin.  Rather, it 
> uses the 'type' and 'module-type' fields.
>

Sorry, that wasn't a *"big clue"* at all for someone new to TiddlyWiki, 
like me. From your perspective, having used both TWC and TW5 over the 
years, sure, that may have been obvious, but not to me as a new user. I 
don't even know what you mean by *"'type' and 'module-type' fields"*. 
Please remember I've only been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks, and I'm 
not a programmer, I'm an end-user, still struggling with concepts like Git 
and repo's even. Coming from MediaWiki, there is a lot more programming 
stuff for me to learn here than I'm used to.

On Monday, 28 September 2015 07:03:52 UTC+13, Mat wrote:
>
> Eric was more polite ;-)
>
> Anyway, the problem was intriguing enought for me to locate this tiddler 
> (...in TW5): 
>
> $:/core/wiki/title
>
> maybe it'll be enough of a clue to solve your problem (...if TW5) 
>

Ok, thanks *@Mat*, I'll look into that. From what I understand of 
TiddlyWiki so far, $:/core/wiki/title is a system tiddler, which I can 
override by creating another tiddler of the same name, which becomes a 
shadow tiddler for it. Is that about right?

Kind regards,

Hegart.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jeremy,
 

> It's actually a bit easier than that. Set $:/SiteTitle to:
> {{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}}
>

Thanks, that's nice. I have added a little *Window Title* how to here...

Custom Window Title @ tb5 


Best wishes,

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Tobias

What would be interesting was if there was a way to actually have the
> window title reflect the last tiddler being opened.
>

It's actually a bit easier than that. Set $:/SiteTitle to:

{{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}}

It works because when the navigator updates the $:/HistoryList tiddler it
also puts the title of the tiddler at the top of the history stack in the
field "current-tiddler".


> When I look at $:/core/ui/SideBar/Open
> , I find an
> odd construct that has me confused about it using a *history* parameter
> with the list widget — something I haven't noticed before — without really
> telling anything about what that parameter does and why in the ListWidget
>  documentation. I get the feeling that
> it doesn't help me for extracting only the last opened tiddler, does it?
>

The history attribute of the list widget is part of the special behaviour
for handling lists that are stories. Essentially, all the list widget does
with the history tiddler is inform the current story view of changes to the
history stack.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



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[tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Hegart & @Jeremy,

What would be interesting was if there was a way to actually have the 
window title reflect the last tiddler being opened.

{{$:/SiteTitle}} — <$list 
filter="[[$:/HistoryList]getTitlesFromJSON[]last[]]"/>

Whereas I wouldn't know how to do the *getTitlesFromJSON* part, that is, 
how to extract the last one in that stack.

@Jeremy,

When I look at $:/core/ui/SideBar/Open 
, I find an odd 
construct that has me confused about it using a *history* parameter with 
the list widget — something I haven't noticed before — without really 
telling anything about what that parameter does and why in the ListWidget 
 documentation. I get the feeling that 
it doesn't help me for extracting only the last opened tiddler, does it?

Best wishes,

— tb

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Mat]

Eric was more polite ;-)

Anyway, the problem was intriguing enought for me to locate this tiddler 
(...in TW5): 

$:/core/wiki/title

maybe it'll be enough of a clue to solve your problem (...if TW5) 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Trying to set BrowserTabTitle as per @Eric's example

[Mat]

Hegart...  excuse my bluntess... but why the heck would you read a post 
from *2007* Is it even TiddlyWiki Classic you're interested in? Are you 
starting a museum?

<:-)

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