[tw] Re: [TW5] use a title as a list - or maybe another proposal?

[Stephan Hradek]

Moin Tobias!

Am Freitag, 23. September 2016 20:50:30 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias Beer:
 

> What recipients? And what are they to receive?
>

Colleagues who have to take over the handling of the issues
 

>  What data, for use where?
>

The list of issues and related tickets. I also received the list from a 
colleague in form of a mail. To sort and classify it, I use TW5. Now I have 
to pass the work to other colleagues. My stupid idea is to just hand them 
the TW5 so they can do whatever they prefer. Maybe they will put all the 
data into Jira or Confluence. I don't know and I don't care.
 

> It's pretty straight forward to implement a custom search for a *tickets *
> field.
>

 know. 

 That would be the idea, yes... to add conditional ViewTemplates 
> that 
> show stuff conditionally at both *issue* tiddlers as well as *ticket* 
> tiddlers... the related lists so to speak.
>

Still they won't be visible inside the tiddler when editing it, ust in the 
fields. Anyhow - that's what I did already.
 

> If you want, I can get you a scaffolding off which to work. Will have to 
> wait until Monday, though.
>

Thanks for the offer. I think, I won't need it.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] use a title as a list - or maybe another proposal?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Stephan,
 

> That was my initial idea, but the "problem" here are:
> 1) The recipients are not really TiddlyWiki users
>

What recipients? And what are they to receive?
 

> 2) The Data is only intermediate. Eventually the recipients will transfer 
> the data to something else
>

What data, for use where?
 

> 3) The fields are not automatically searched so they might get problems 
> when trying to find issues
>

It's pretty straight forward to implement a custom search for a *tickets *
field.
 

> 4) The data is not visiple inside the issue tiddlers except if I start to 
> add templates or includes some not-so-obvious macro call in each issue 
> tiddler having related tickets
>

That would be the idea, yes... to add conditional ViewTemplates 
that 
show stuff conditionally at both *issue* tiddlers as well as *ticket* 
tiddlers... the related lists so to speak.

If you want, I can get you a scaffolding off which to work. Will have to 
wait until Monday, though.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] use a title as a list - or maybe another proposal?

[Stephan Hradek]

Thanks, Tobias and Marc.

That was my initial idea, but the "problem" here are:
1) The recipients are not really TiddlyWiki users
2) The Data is only intermediate. Eventually the recipients will transfer 
the data to something else
3) The fields are not automatically searched so they might get problems 
when trying to find issues
4) The data is not visiple inside the issue tiddlers except if I start to 
add templates or includes some not-so-obvious macro call in each issue 
tiddler having related tickets

But maybe I need to go that way.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] use a title as a list - or maybe another proposal?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Stephan,

May I recommend you model your relations differently and to not rely on 
titles alone?

At each *issue* tiddler i would have a field called *tickets* that serves 
as a list-like field where I would store references to those tiddlers 
representing tickets.

Then it is easy to use a conditional ViewTemplate that shows related 
tickets for issues as well as issues referencing a ticket.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] use a title as a list - or maybe another proposal?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I probably don't understand properly, but wouldn't it be better to 
structure your data so that every issue has a "tickets" list field?

Coming from the world of database design, to me the title, being the only 
unique field, should be pretty much sealed in cement once it is created.

I'm sure whatever you come up with will be great!

Mark


On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 5:41:58 AM UTC-7, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> After a very long pause I'm using TiddlyWiki again.
>
> And now I came across this "puzzle" which you might be able to solve.
>
> Background: I have a long list of issues which are documented as tiddlers. 
>
> Some of the issues are related to tickets and now I want to add a link to 
> these tickets in my issue-tiddlers.
>
> My idea was to do it similar this:
>
> 1. a tiddler called "related"
>
> related issues
> 
>   <$list filter="[list[!!title]]">
> <$view field="title"/>
>   
> 
>
> 2. add this to an issue-tiddler
>
> {{Ticket-001||related}}
>
> This works fine - as long as I also have a tiddler called "Ticket-001". 
> The issue here is this piece of code filter="[list[!!title]]"
>
> It simply relies on the tiddler to exist. An non-existent tiddler does not 
> have a title field.
>
> So as long as just one ticket is related, I could help myself by simply 
> creating a tiddler for each ticket, which isn't too bad, as I already have 
> that for most of the tickets.
>
> But now the fun part starts.
>
> I want to relate to more than one ticket. So I introduced
>
> {{Ticket-08 Ticket-15||related}}
>
> It took me a while to figure out why this failed, despite the fact, that 
> both Ticket-tiddlers exist.
>
> It's simply that there is no tiddler "Ticket-08 Ticket-15" :(
>
> So what would be YOUR way of solving this conundrum?
>
>

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