[tw] Re: Kinship, Genealogy & Family Trees ... Observations & Request
Ciao David Thanks! I'll work-up a decent brief on this over the next few days. Best wishes Josiah On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:54:33 UTC+1, David Szego wrote: > > Being an amateur geneaologist, I'd be very interested in seeing your > formal procedure. FWIW, I currently use TW to index all of the LDS > microfilm scans with my ancestral records ... it would be great to be able > to import a GEDCOM, display it, and cross-reference the record to the > person, all in TW. > > Maybe I'll tackle that after I'm finished Cardo 1.0! ;-> > > Cheers, > David. > > > On Monday, 20 February 2017 11:10:49 UTC-5, Josiah wrote: >> >> It seems to me that genealogical trees should be doable in TW. >> >> I should emphasise I don't have the programming skill to actually do it. >> >> *But I thought others might find it an interesting delimited challenge.* >> >> WHY am I interested? Because I am an anthropologist. And anthropologists >> know lots about kinship systems. And TW could serve as an elegant, >> minimalist way to record and document kinship relationships, I believe. >> >> Kinship diagrams are in one way very easy. They are simply branching >> hierarchies of "DESCENT". BUT also central to them is the role of >> "AFFINITY" (marriage). >> >> So what you have is a FUSION of DESCENT lines through MARRIAGE. So its >> never ONE descent line. >> >> This is why Mat's interesting recent experiment using forking lists >> () and smart CSS hits a limit. It can't cope with the arbitrary >> crossing in of affines (relatives by marriage) who create ADDITIONAL >> HIERARCHIES. >> >> I'm sure there could be a way to do this in TW without having to resort >> to overly complex solutions. The logic in genealogical trees is not >> infinitely complex. >> >> If anyone is interested I can layout a formal procedure for constructing >> them anthropologists use. >> >> Technical note: Western style genealogical trees are generally presented >> TOP DOWN from ancestors. Anthropologist work from "EGO", i.e. a specific >> person and depict the relationships UP & DOWN from there. The final >> diagrams are IDENTICAL, but the mode of construction is different. Its >> perhaps worth noting that construction from "EGO" gives a very clear >> procedure because its always determinate. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5b9f78a9-364f-4cf6-a2fa-b59d85135390%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Kinship, Genealogy & Family Trees ... Observations & Request
Being an amateur geneaologist, I'd be very interested in seeing your formal procedure. FWIW, I currently use TW to index all of the LDS microfilm scans with my ancestral records ... it would be great to be able to import a GEDCOM, display it, and cross-reference the record to the person, all in TW. Maybe I'll tackle that after I'm finished Cardo 1.0! ;-> Cheers, David. On Monday, 20 February 2017 11:10:49 UTC-5, Josiah wrote: > > It seems to me that genealogical trees should be doable in TW. > > I should emphasise I don't have the programming skill to actually do it. > > *But I thought others might find it an interesting delimited challenge.* > > WHY am I interested? Because I am an anthropologist. And anthropologists > know lots about kinship systems. And TW could serve as an elegant, > minimalist way to record and document kinship relationships, I believe. > > Kinship diagrams are in one way very easy. They are simply branching > hierarchies of "DESCENT". BUT also central to them is the role of > "AFFINITY" (marriage). > > So what you have is a FUSION of DESCENT lines through MARRIAGE. So its > never ONE descent line. > > This is why Mat's interesting recent experiment using forking lists () > and smart CSS hits a limit. It can't cope with the arbitrary crossing in > of affines (relatives by marriage) who create ADDITIONAL HIERARCHIES. > > I'm sure there could be a way to do this in TW without having to resort to > overly complex solutions. The logic in genealogical trees is not infinitely > complex. > > If anyone is interested I can layout a formal procedure for constructing > them anthropologists use. > > Technical note: Western style genealogical trees are generally presented > TOP DOWN from ancestors. Anthropologist work from "EGO", i.e. a specific > person and depict the relationships UP & DOWN from there. The final > diagrams are IDENTICAL, but the mode of construction is different. Its > perhaps worth noting that construction from "EGO" gives a very clear > procedure because its always determinate. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/72c81e8f-f448-4d68-aba4-e2bb47faf612%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Kinship, Genealogy & Family Trees ... Observations & Request
Ciao PMario
Thanks for that link. I had a look. As is the diagram won't work because,
though its a map of relationships, it doesn't differentiate "Descent"
("blood lines") from "Affinity" (relationship through marriage). That
differentiation is essential to presenting genealogical trees.
I don't think the issue is in TiddlyMap. Its more likely that the
underlying JS library doesn't easily support the kind of diagramming needed.
But I will play with it a bit more to make sure. I'll come back when I'm
clearer.
Thanks for your interest!!
Best wishes
Josiah
On Monday, 20 February 2017 23:26:31 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> tiddlymap.org may be of interest:
> http://tiddlymap.org/#Using%20the%20Map%20Raster
> In the map view select: FamilyTree.
>
> -m
>
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[tw] Re: Kinship, Genealogy & Family Trees ... Observations & Request
Hi, tiddlymap.org may be of interest: http://tiddlymap.org/#Using%20the%20Map%20Raster In the map view select: FamilyTree. -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ff72c6d1-bc28-4f7c-a84f-b8136629a4ae%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
