[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[Matabele]

Hi

Your instructions were fine, with the exception that there is no mention 
that the tiddler type must be set to 'ckeditor usage'.

regards

On Sunday, 1 November 2015 13:03:08 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>
> Is there something I need to add to the documentation?
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:28:26 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> got it to work using the script at the CK download site.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi BJ
>>>
>>> Followed your instructions but nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor 
>>>  
>>> tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from 
>>> the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a 
>>> folder. I change the script in from $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  and 
>>> change the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of c/ 
>>> at one point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW 
>>> each time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, no 
>>> text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.
>>>
>>> Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo 
>>>  tiddler in Firefox I 
>>> see the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file type. 
>>> But no visual editor.
>>>
>>> What might I be doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:

 the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality, 
 including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext

 http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/


 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play 
> around with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.
>
> One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and 
> outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add 
> asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit 
> return 
> to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below 
> the 
> previous point.
>
> Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or 
> deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every 
> time 
> the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which the 
> user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?
>
> The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as 
> needed, is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the 
> asterisks would not be desired.
>
> Blessings
>
> Dave
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[BJ]

Is there something I need to add to the documentation?

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:28:26 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>
> got it to work using the script at the CK download site.
>
> Dave
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi BJ
>>
>> Followed your instructions but nothing happens.
>>
>> Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor 
>>  
>> tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from 
>> the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a 
>> folder. I change the script in from $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib 
>> 
>>  
>>  and 
>> change the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of c/ 
>> at one point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW 
>> each time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, no 
>> text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.
>>
>> Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo 
>>  tiddler in Firefox I 
>> see the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file type. 
>> But no visual editor.
>>
>> What might I be doing wrong?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality, 
>>> including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext
>>>
>>> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all

 Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play around 
 with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.

 One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and 
 outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add 
 asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit 
 return 
 to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below the 
 previous point.

 Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or 
 deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every time 
 the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which the 
 user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?

 The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as 
 needed, is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the 
 asterisks would not be desired.

 Blessings

 Dave




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Re: [tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[David Gifford]

One thing in the documentation that could be refined is that you have a
prominent link to the $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib

in the installation section. But what you should have is "To install the
Visual Editor, drag this tiddler to your TiddlyWiki:
$:/plugins/bj/visualeditor
." I
imported the includelib tiddler at first because it looked as if you were
saying that was the plugin tiddler needed for the install.

Dave

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Matabele  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Your instructions were fine, with the exception that there is no mention
> that the tiddler type must be set to 'ckeditor usage'.
>
> regards
>
>
> On Sunday, 1 November 2015 13:03:08 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Is there something I need to add to the documentation?
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:28:26 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> got it to work using the script at the CK download site.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi BJ

 Followed your instructions but nothing happens.

 Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor
 
 tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from
 the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a
 folder. I change the script in from
 $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib
 
  and
 change the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of c/
 at one point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW
 each time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, no
 text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.

 Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo
  tiddler in Firefox I
 see the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file type.
 But no visual editor.

 What might I be doing wrong?

 Dave

 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>
> the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality,
> including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play
>> around with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.
>>
>> One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and
>> outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add
>> asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit 
>> return
>> to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below 
>> the
>> previous point.
>>
>> Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or
>> deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every 
>> time
>> the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which the
>> user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?
>>
>> The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as
>> needed, is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the
>> asterisks would not be desired.
>>
>> Blessings
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[David Gifford]

Q: is there a way to modify the html source? Or at least to apply CSS 
classes within edited tiddlers? I would like to apply a CSS class to a ul 
in one tiddler but not in all tiddlers

Dave

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 5:03:08 AM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>
> Is there something I need to add to the documentation?
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:28:26 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> got it to work using the script at the CK download site.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi BJ
>>>
>>> Followed your instructions but nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor 
>>>  
>>> tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from 
>>> the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a 
>>> folder. I change the script in from $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  and 
>>> change the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of c/ 
>>> at one point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW 
>>> each time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, no 
>>> text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.
>>>
>>> Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo 
>>>  tiddler in Firefox I 
>>> see the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file type. 
>>> But no visual editor.
>>>
>>> What might I be doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:

 the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality, 
 including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext

 http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/


 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play 
> around with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.
>
> One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and 
> outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add 
> asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit 
> return 
> to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below 
> the 
> previous point.
>
> Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or 
> deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every 
> time 
> the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which the 
> user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?
>
> The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as 
> needed, is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the 
> asterisks would not be desired.
>
> Blessings
>
> Dave
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[David Gifford]

Thanks!

Dave

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:57 AM, BJ  wrote:

>
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 12:53:41 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Q: is there a way to modify the html source? Or at least to apply CSS
>> classes within edited tiddlers? I would like to apply a CSS class to a ul
>> in one tiddler but not in all tiddlers
>>
>> there is a 'source' button (top left) for editing the html. You can
> defined you own styles that appear in the drop down list by editing the
> tiddler : $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/styles.json
>
> The styles are explained here:
>
> http://docs.ckeditor.com/#!/guide/dev_styles
> 
>
> Dave
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 5:03:08 AM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there something I need to add to the documentation?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:28:26 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:

 got it to work using the script at the CK download site.

 Dave

 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi BJ
>
> Followed your instructions but nothing happens.
>
> Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor
> 
> tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from
> the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a
> folder. I change the script in from
> $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib
> 
>  and
> change the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of 
> c/
> at one point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW
> each time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, 
> no
> text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.
>
> Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo
>  tiddler in Firefox
> I see the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file
> type. But no visual editor.
>
> What might I be doing wrong?
>
> Dave
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>>
>> the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality,
>> including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext
>>
>> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play
>>> around with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.
>>>
>>> One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing
>>> and outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to 
>>> add
>>> asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit 
>>> return
>>> to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below 
>>> the
>>> previous point.
>>>
>>> Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or
>>> deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every 
>>> time
>>> the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which 
>>> the
>>> user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?
>>>
>>> The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as
>>> needed, is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the
>>> asterisks would not be desired.
>>>
>>> Blessings
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[BJ]

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 12:53:41 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Q: is there a way to modify the html source? Or at least to apply CSS 
> classes within edited tiddlers? I would like to apply a CSS class to a ul 
> in one tiddler but not in all tiddlers
>
> there is a 'source' button (top left) for editing the html. You can 
defined you own styles that appear in the drop down list by editing the 
tiddler : $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/styles.json

The styles are explained here:

http://docs.ckeditor.com/#!/guide/dev_styles 

 

Dave
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 5:03:08 AM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Is there something I need to add to the documentation?
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:28:26 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> got it to work using the script at the CK download site.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi BJ

 Followed your instructions but nothing happens.

 Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor 
  
 tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from 
 the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a 
 folder. I change the script in from 
 $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib 
 
  
  and 
 change the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of 
 c/ 
 at one point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW 
 each time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, 
 no 
 text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.

 Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo 
  tiddler in Firefox I 
 see the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file 
 type. 
 But no visual editor.

 What might I be doing wrong?

 Dave

 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>
> the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality, 
> including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play 
>> around with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.
>>
>> One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and 
>> outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add 
>> asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit 
>> return 
>> to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below 
>> the 
>> previous point.
>>
>> Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or 
>> deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every 
>> time 
>> the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which 
>> the 
>> user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?
>>
>> The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as 
>> needed, is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the 
>> asterisks would not be desired.
>>
>> Blessings
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[Matabele]

Hi Dave

Same problem -- which script from the CK download site?

regards

On Sunday, 1 November 2015 01:28:26 UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> got it to work using the script at the CK download site.
>
> Dave
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi BJ
>>
>> Followed your instructions but nothing happens.
>>
>> Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor 
>>  
>> tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from 
>> the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a 
>> folder. I change the script in from $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib 
>> 
>>  
>>  and 
>> change the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of c/ 
>> at one point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW 
>> each time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, no 
>> text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.
>>
>> Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo 
>>  tiddler in Firefox I 
>> see the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file type. 
>> But no visual editor.
>>
>> What might I be doing wrong?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality, 
>>> including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext
>>>
>>> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all

 Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play around 
 with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.

 One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and 
 outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add 
 asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit 
 return 
 to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below the 
 previous point.

 Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or 
 deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every time 
 the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which the 
 user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?

 The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as 
 needed, is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the 
 asterisks would not be desired.

 Blessings

 Dave




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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[Matabele]

Hi

OK -- works. The tiddler type must be set to 'ckeditor usage'

regards

On Sunday, 1 November 2015 06:54:06 UTC+2, Matabele wrote:
>
> Hi Dave
>
> Same problem -- which script from the CK download site?
>
> regards
>

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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[Jed Carty]

Something like that could probably be done with a widget. You wouldn't need 
to be editing a tiddler to use it. I don't know how often you would want to 
switch from this to regular editing in the same tiddler, if you don't than 
a widget that does this shouldn't be too difficult.

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Re: [tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[David Gifford]

Widget? Interesting. How would that work?

Dave

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Jed Carty  wrote:

> Something like that could probably be done with a widget. You wouldn't
> need to be editing a tiddler to use it. I don't know how often you would
> want to switch from this to regular editing in the same tiddler, if you
> don't than a widget that does this shouldn't be too difficult.
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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[BJ]

the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality, 
including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play around 
> with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.
>
> One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and 
> outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add 
> asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit return 
> to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below the 
> previous point.
>
> Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or 
> deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every time 
> the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which the 
> user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?
>
> The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as needed, 
> is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the asterisks would 
> not be desired.
>
> Blessings
>
> Dave
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Outlining plugin request

[David Gifford]

Hi BJ

Followed your instructions but nothing happens.

Into an empty TW5 I imported the $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor 
 
tiddler and saved and reloaded. I downloaded the standard CK editor from 
the link you provide, extract the files from the zip file and place in a 
folder. I change the script in from $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib 

 
 and change 
the filepath after c/ to my filepath. (also tried C:/ in place of c/ at one 
point). My filepath has no spaces or odd characters. Reload my TW each 
time. Nothing. Even opened it in Chrome. Nothing. No visual editor, no 
text/x-htmlp type. Nothing.

Also, when I edit your VisualEditorDemo 
 tiddler in Firefox I see 
the html in the preview, and the option for the text/x-htmlp file type. But 
no visual editor.

What might I be doing wrong?

Dave

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote:
>
> the visual editor plugin (on bjtools) has this type of functionality, 
> including drag and drop. But it produces html not wikitext
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:26:21 PM UTC, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Here is a plugin idea for you to consider, those of you who play around 
>> with plugins. Not sure this is a possibility, but worth asking.
>>
>> One of the reasons I prefer Workflowy over TiddlyWiki for writing and 
>> outlining is that outlining is much faster in Workflowy. No need to add 
>> asterisks and double and triple asterisks before each line. Just hit return 
>> to start a new bullet point, and hit indent to create a subpoint below the 
>> previous point.
>>
>> Would it be possible to create a plugin, that can be activated or 
>> deactived as needed, that would add an asterisk on the new line every time 
>> the user hit enter, and that would have a special keystroke but which the 
>> user could add additional asterisks when needing to indent?
>>
>> The reason I say it would need to be activated or deactivated as needed, 
>> is that there would be plenty of TW contacts for which the asterisks would 
>> not be desired.
>>
>> Blessings
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>

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