[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation
You can also open any TW file in a text editor or text file viewer and copy/paste the data tiddlers information to any future application; it is not in any proprietary format. I go across several OS' without any problem, so you are protected there as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation
On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:59 PM, IainS wrote: I have some problems printing my TW and to use the information in a report I have to cut and paste into Word and then format it. You should check out ExportTiddlersPllugin, Ian. I use it all the time to export text from tiddlers for processing with other applications, primarily for editing and formatting collections of notes on a topic or theme in a word processor. http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#ExportTiddlersPlugin Regards, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation
There are a lot of things I like about TW and consider essential for its note-taking/documentation capability: [...] That's a nice list - someone should record that somewhere... of course I want to be able to use everything I write down in TW also in the not-so-near future Take a look here: http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Future_Proof -- F. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation
On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Jason wrote: That said I am very much tempted to jump at TW completely. But of course I want to be able to use everything I write down in TW also in the not-so-near future. So my questions are: * Is there anything that stands in the way of using TW as a some kind of long-term (say at least ten years) knowledge database? * In particular does anyone have enough insight into the inner workings of TW to tell me whether changes in the workings of for example browsers or software standards (HTML of javascript) might threaten TW in the future. * Do you think TW has a large enough user base to persist for the next ten years? * Is the structure of TW content simple and universal enough that it can be integrated in other kinds of wikis or knowledge databases that might come up in the future? As a physics student, Jason, you might want to check out Garrett Lisi's use of TiddlyWiki: http://deferentialgeometry.org/ And here is a video of a Lisi presentation in which he gets into a conversation about TiddlyWiki with members of the audience. http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/09/lisi-on-a-wiki.html And in harvesting the link to the video I discovered a link on the page to still another video of a talk Lisi gave explicitly on TiddlyWiki. It's fascinating, and I suspect you'll find it answers many of your questions. http://pirsa.org/08090057/ I sniffed around TiddlyWiki like a coyote around a baited trap for probably a year or more before committing to it wholeheartedly. What made the difference for me was discovering the power of taggly tagging. With it I found I could start my thinking and note taking on a topic with an initial sense of the structure of the project, then allow it to evolve as my understanding of the topic changed as I worked on it. I didn't have to have a fixed, or even a very clear, idea of the structure in starting out. Since then I've found a few plugins that are especially helpful to me, and a TiddlyWiki adaptation that had a lot of what I was looking for in a TiddlyWiki. That is TWT-Blackicity http://twt-blackicity.tiddlyspot.com/index.html . [Actually, I use TWT-Blackicity-lite http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1501581/twt-blackicity-lite.html Welcome to TiddlyWiki, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation
Wow, thanks FND and Eric for your replies. FND, your link http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Future_Proof was very helpful. Adresses exactly my concerns and remediates all of them. There is also a link to an earlier discussion on how long will a TW last (http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/ 883f1049c8f26cfd/786f18bedc455d61?#786f18bedc455d61) which I had not noticed earlier and include here for the sake of completeness. Eric, coincidentally I stumbled across TW when I checked out Lisi's site (which is indeed very impressive) in the first place. Otherwise I would still not have heard about TW. Thanks for all your thoughts and recommendations. I think I am convinced now. Kind regards, Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation
Jason, I am using it for that purpose using a version of TW-Notes with plugins to cover footnotes, annotations and images. It seems to me that you can built your own TW for notes...etc and then keep using it forever (although a backup empty version would be useful in case you corrupt your original). Size might be an issue over time. I have some problems printing my TW and to use the information in a report I have to cut and paste into Word and then format it. I'd be interested to see what other users say. Iain --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation
At the rate current technology is changing, who can say what technologies will be viable in another decade for javascript, browsing, or even operating systems? I don't think there is a single application that you could latch onto and be guaranteed that it will still be here 10 years from now. That said, the data in TW is stored between div tags, and can be exported into XML format. Which means that if it ever looks like TW is about to be abandoned, for whatever reason, its likely that you'll be able to get the data out in some format that can then be picked up by whatever will be the current best-selling knowledge manager. Hopefully as computer speed and memory increase, the current limitations of TW should actually be less severe. As a side comment, if there's a latex to RTF converter, then maybe Jason's approach could help lainS with his cut/paste/format/paste regimen. Mark On Aug 9, 3:59 pm, IainS i...@jcis.net.au wrote: Jason, I am using it for that purpose using a version of TW-Notes with plugins to cover footnotes, annotations and images. It seems to me that you can built your own TW for notes...etc and then keep using it forever (although a backup empty version would be useful in case you corrupt your original). Size might be an issue over time. I have some problems printing my TW and to use the information in a report I have to cut and paste into Word and then format it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
