[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[PMario]

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 12:02:32 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mario, I like your https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/remove-states/ 
> (example approach) over the Advanced Search delete button because its 
> offers both BULK & individual item control whilst deleting. Perhaps 
> something like that could be scaled of the Bundler approach?
>

I think, I can add a DESTROYER function, and reuse the core "Are you sure" 
dialog. ..

I also consider to implement a possibility to "comment" in bunder config 
tiddlers. .. TW can handle the .multids tiddler format 
"application/x-tiddlers", which already knows, how to deal with comments. 
... BUT I'm not sure atm, how I want to implement it. .. I'd like to 
improve the "enlist" operator 
, so the bundler 
plugin can stay simple. We'll have to see, what Jeremy says. 

In the mean time I could implement a temporary operator for testing. 

-mario

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao PMario & Tony M

I agree with Tony. As I mentioned before in the Bundler thread using the 
"Bundle List" rapidly makes you aware that its approach (its precision in 
listing, its persistence, its ease of use) illustrates a way of working 
that great enhances import/export.

Whether a DESTROYER could be integrated with it, or whether a similar 
complementary approach could be done for deletion I don't know. What I can 
see is that that Bundler & Destroyer in harmony could really ease bulk 
procedures and make them a lot safer.

Mario, I like your https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/remove-states/ 
(example approach) over the Advanced Search delete button because its 
offers both BULK & individual item control whilst deleting. Perhaps 
something like that could be scaled of the Bundler approach?

TonyM wrote:
>
> your bundler pluginhttps://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/ .goes a 
> long way to showing how you can reduce the effect or stray filters by 
> counting the number of tiddlers selected. I could see an option to delete 
> the same filtered set of tiddlers after export.
>

Buongiorno
Josiah 

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[TonyM]

Mario,

Actually your bundler pluginhttps://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/ 
.goes a long way to showing how you can reduce the effect or stray filters 
by counting the number of tiddlers selected. I could see an option to 
delete the same filtered set of tiddlers after export. This would mean 
forcing a group of tiddlers to be exported before deletion so there will be 
no regrets. I used to do that in TWC exporting TRASHED items before I 
emptied the Trash.

PS Condolences on the loss of a HD. Very sad event. :)

Tony

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On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 9:52:55 PM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 1:17:25 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> IMO if you don't constantly backup your TW you are asking for 
>> trouble--sooner or later.
>>
>
> That's right. ... 3 weeks ago my win HD died. Luckily I did back up the 
> data partition some days earlier. Now I have a physical system and 2 
> mirrored data drives. plus the existing backup solution :)
>  
>
>> I have experienced a couple of macros that ATE MY WIKI. 
>>
>
> Then you know what I mean :)
>  
>
>> I'm not sure that the line of defence is to NOT give us The Powerful 
>> Wizard Of Utility. But, rather, perhaps, to deliver the Wizard with levels 
>> of warnings ... (1) Do NOT do this unless you have a backup. So don't blame 
>> me if it eats your Wiki. (2) Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?
>>
>
> That's exactly the point. 
>
> As a developer I don't want to do harm. So if I would release a plugin 
> that can have destructive side effects, I need / want to take care, that 
> the user knows, what is going on. So it needs to be configurable: Similar 
> to the "bundler plugin 
> ".
>  
> Bundler even doesn't delete stuff, but imports can overwrite existing 
> tiddlers ... 
>
>  
>
>> There needs to be room for brave people too.
>>
>
> Sure. ... If there wouldn't be murphy's law: "Anything that can go wrong 
> will go wrong!"
>
> At the moment we don't have a "tm-ask-and-delete-message" needed for your 
> "(2) Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?" ... At least I think there 
> isn't. ... So may be we need one. ... But for my personal usage the 
> security questions would need to be switched off. ... because I hate popups 
> ;)
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao PMario,

HA!

My point is YOUR approach is LESS dangerous than that in the actual release 
under Advanced Search > Filter > Delete.

SO, your gizmo revised to allow filters would be a plus IMO. I'd trust it 
MORE than the Standard.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 14 August 2017 14:03:28 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 1:52:55 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>>
>> At the moment we don't have a "tm-ask-and-delete-message" needed for your 
>> "(2) Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?" ... At least I think there 
>> isn't. ... 
>>
>
> I was wrong: 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FAdvancedSearch%2FFilter%2FFilterButtons%2Fdelete
> ...
> *So just open the control panel: select filter:   and hit the delete 
> button*. 
>
> Just checked my plugin, and saw, that I deprecated it already. ... That's 
> probably the reason. 
>
> -m
>  
>

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[PMario]

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 1:52:55 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> At the moment we don't have a "tm-ask-and-delete-message" needed for your 
> "(2) Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?" ... At least I think there 
> isn't. ... 
>

I was wrong: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FAdvancedSearch%2FFilter%2FFilterButtons%2Fdelete
...
*So just open the control panel: select filter:   and hit the delete 
button*. 

Just checked my plugin, and saw, that I deprecated it already. ... That's 
probably the reason. 

-m
 

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[PMario]

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 1:17:25 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> IMO if you don't constantly backup your TW you are asking for 
> trouble--sooner or later.
>

That's right. ... 3 weeks ago my win HD died. Luckily I did back up the 
data partition some days earlier. Now I have a physical system and 2 
mirrored data drives. plus the existing backup solution :)
 

> I have experienced a couple of macros that ATE MY WIKI. 
>

Then you know what I mean :)
 

> I'm not sure that the line of defence is to NOT give us The Powerful 
> Wizard Of Utility. But, rather, perhaps, to deliver the Wizard with levels 
> of warnings ... (1) Do NOT do this unless you have a backup. So don't blame 
> me if it eats your Wiki. (2) Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?
>

That's exactly the point. 

As a developer I don't want to do harm. So if I would release a plugin that 
can have destructive side effects, I need / want to take care, that the 
user knows, what is going on. So it needs to be configurable: Similar to 
the "bundler plugin 
".
 
Bundler even doesn't delete stuff, but imports can overwrite existing 
tiddlers ... 

 

> There needs to be room for brave people too.
>

Sure. ... If there wouldn't be murphy's law: "Anything that can go wrong 
will go wrong!"

At the moment we don't have a "tm-ask-and-delete-message" needed for your 
"(2) Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?" ... At least I think there 
isn't. ... So may be we need one. ... But for my personal usage the 
security questions would need to be switched off. ... because I hate popups 
;)

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Its an interesting point you bring up.

IMO if you don't constantly backup your TW you are asking for 
trouble--sooner or later.

I have experienced a couple of macros that ATE MY WIKI. 

I'm not sure that the line of defence is to NOT give us The Powerful Wizard 
Of Utility. But, rather, perhaps, to deliver the Wizard with levels of 
warnings ... (1) Do NOT do this unless you have a backup. So don't blame me 
if it eats your Wiki. (2) Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?

There needs to be room for brave people too.

Josiah, x

On Monday, 14 August 2017 13:01:53 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:49:00 AM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Could yours (its just a single macro, right, not a plugin with 
>> dependencies?) be re-factored to accept ANY filter through an input field?
>>
>
> Sure, ...
> _but_ it would be very destructive and error prone. 
>
> eg: If there is a typo. 
>
>  - Let's imagine a filter like: [prefix[$:/temp]] 
>  - it will also delete $:/temptation 
>  - which may not be intended. 
>
>  ... Do you see the the missing char in the filter variable? .. and this 
> example contains an obvious problem. Filters can have side-effects, that 
> are much harder to spot. 
>
> I know, that's a user problem, if s/he creates a filter that dosn't do 
> what is intended, or if a filter has unintended side-effects ...  I think 
> the plugin contains enough info, that users can create their own variations 
> of the macro, that work for their specific usecase. 
>
> I personally don't want to be responsible, if *my plugin* deletes stuff 
> that the user wanted to keep. 
>
> So everyone, which wants to be responsible can jump in here. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[PMario]

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:49:00 AM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Could yours (its just a single macro, right, not a plugin with 
> dependencies?) be re-factored to accept ANY filter through an input field?
>

Sure, ...
_but_ it would be very destructive and error prone. 

eg: If there is a typo. 

 - Let's imagine a filter like: [prefix[$:/temp]] 
 - it will also delete $:/temptation 
 - which may not be intended. 

 ... Do you see the the missing char in the filter variable? .. and this 
example contains an obvious problem. Filters can have side-effects, that 
are much harder to spot. 

I know, that's a user problem, if s/he creates a filter that dosn't do what 
is intended, or if a filter has unintended side-effects ...  I think the 
plugin contains enough info, that users can create their own variations of 
the macro, that work for their specific usecase. 

I personally don't want to be responsible, if *my plugin* deletes stuff 
that the user wanted to keep. 

So everyone, which wants to be responsible can jump in here. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao PMario

First time I ever seen that. So much good stuff has been written you can't 
find ...

Tobias also did a similar thing with individually clickable items to 
delete--however that has NO option to delete ALL, unlike yours.

Could yours (its just a single macro, right, not a plugin with 
dependencies?) be re-factored to accept ANY filter through an input field?

Just wishes :-)
Best
Josiah

PMario wrote:
>>
>> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/remove-states/ ... it shouldn't be 
>> that destructive, because you can see, what you delete. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[codacodercodacoder]

Cool.  Thanks Mario!

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Try this one: https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/remove-states/ ... it 
> shouldn't be that destructive, because you can see, what you delete. 
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: Tobias' Delete All Tiddlers By Filter

[PMario]

Hi,
Try this one: https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/remove-states/ ... it 
shouldn't be that destructive, because you can see, what you delete. 
-m

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