[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jed & Bob

Am I right in thinking that "internalFetch" cannot fetch from the 
"RootWiki"?

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

For folk on email ... I just updated my post on Bob's "internalFetch" at 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/9Qflg67CYYI/TPTmuzTYCAAJ

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Dear Jed & Bob

This is a request for automated  "Delete a Wiki"  option. 

At the moment its something you have to do manually. The tricky part is 
editing the Json settings file. If you make a simple mistake it can upset 
the Bob system. I know, I did that :-).

FYI, when I started Bob I found I needed to make many temporary Wiki in 
order to learn it. So a delete method for created Wikis would be helpful.

Very best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jed & Bob

I love "internalFetch". 

The only complication for me is I have to manually check it worked.

I was wondering if there is a way to indicate it was successful? OR 
possibly open the tiddlers fetched in the story river? Or a "fetch" 
equivalent of what happens after normal import--a tiddler showing what was 
fetched.

I was wondering, also, once its successful, if there is a way to either 
hide or flag a "fetch" button completed? I'm not clear whether that 
functionality could be built with existing TW procedures, or whether only 
Bob could do it?

Please ask if this is unclear

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

>
> Check to see if you have any overwritten shadow tiddlers in your wiki, 
> there is a little link symbol on the tab so I suspect that is it. It would 
> be called $:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/ControlPanelTab


Thanks Jed, that solved it. 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

>
> I have not found a way to change the name that is used by the executable. 
> That is part of the pkg module I use to make it and not something that I 
> have control.


Thanks Jed for looking. Its not any kind of deal-breaker. If I can figure 
out where to complain about that behaviour in the "pkg" I will.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[Jed Carty]

I have not found a way to change the name that is used by the executable. 
That is part of the pkg module I use to make it and not something that I 
have control. Check to see if you have any overwritten shadow tiddlers in 
your wiki, there is a little link symbol on the tab so I suspect that is 
it. It would be called $:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/ControlPanelTab

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jed & Bob

A note on how Bob upgrades.

The activation of the updated plugins works fine. 

There may be a slight issue in that I don't think old shadows are always 
being removed? Actually I'm unclear what is happening.

An existing upgraded Bob Settings of mine currently looks like this ...



But a vanilla install of Bob shows this on the same plugin version...



Notice the newer version has the "Bob Documentation" tab the previous does 
not.

Is this an issue? 

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

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Ciao Jed & Bob

Small point on the filename.

Under some conditions menuing systems read the internal file name of 
"BobWin.exe", which is "Node.js", and present that rather than the actual 
name. For instance, under the the widely used Windows PortableApplications 
system it presents it like this by default ...



... that doesn't stop it running, and its nominal moniker is easily changed 
in PA. But I did find it confusing till I realised what was going on.

If its not difficult, is the compiler able to replace the internal name 
with the external name?

Just a thought.

Best wishes, Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[Jed Carty]

Considering that the web socket interface is central to how Bob works I 
don't think that it is reasonable for me to explain it here. I suggest that 
you look at the documentation for Bob. I have been working on an 
implementation that could work on a wide range of servers since I started 
Bob.

I made it very extensible so the message structure should work fine on 
other servers.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[Arlen Beiler]

How does the websockets work? Do you have it setup for data folders or just
for the main Bob wiki. I don't know how Bob works (sorry, I should, I
know), but I am trying to implement a standard interface for plugins to
communicate with the server in a server-agnostic way, and I'm curious what
your thoughts are.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 19:34 @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> Thanks Jed. Just FYI my specific, limited, use case is to have a "test
> Bob" that is basically vanilla. My main Bob is now quite populated with
> loads of custom settings. I use the the "vanilla" to check I haven't messed
> up by testing one thing at a time. Usually I would not start 2 Bob at the
> same time--no point. But I DO think a additional vanilla Bob is quite good
> for checking stuff?
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Thanks Jed. Just FYI my specific, limited, use case is to have a "test Bob" 
that is basically vanilla. My main Bob is now quite populated with loads of 
custom settings. I use the the "vanilla" to check I haven't messed up by 
testing one thing at a time. Usually I would not start 2 Bob at the same 
time--no point. But I DO think a additional vanilla Bob is quite good for 
checking stuff?

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[Jed Carty]

Running multiple instances of Bob is possible but probably a bad idea. By 
default BobEXE will find an open port to use so that it shouldn't ever have 
a port collision problem so if you do start it multiple times it would work 
but I don't think there is a benefit to it. You can host as many wikis as 
you want from a single Bob instance and there aren't restrictions on 
plugins or anything like that.
And you shouldn't ever let multiple instances of Bob server the same wiki 
because it can very easily case strange problems.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

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Ciao Jed & Bob

This is just a thought. On startup for the mainwiki the Bob control panel 
might be better as the Home tiddler? I.e. 
$:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/ControlPanelTab with the current home Tiddler 
([[Hello!]]) added as the default tab?

Just a thought. 

FWIW I think adding the documentation to the panel is very useful, thanks.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

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Ciao Jed & Bob

- Bob now prints out the TiddlyWiki and Bob versions being used in the 
> terminal when you start the server. 
>

I think that is really useful as the terminal tells you most of what is 
going on. 

Unfortunately the Windows Bob console isn't yet displaying it (Win7 FF52 
64bit desktop).

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

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Ciao Jed & Bob

Am I right in thinking you can have more than one instance of Bob running? 
That Bob detects and auto-adjusts the addressing?

I noticed, doing a fresh install of the new BobWin.exe on Windows that it 
adjusted to accommodate an already running old Bob ... like this ...

NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
Websockets listening on  8082
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8081
(press ctrl-C to exit)
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection

If so, its useful to know.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[Jed Carty]

It is the same thing, just a different name.

You just replace the old executable file with the new one. If you are using 
the executable version than you don't have to worry about ever installing 
the Bob plugin in any wiki.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.5 Salt Bagels, or I should probably let people know about the plugin library

[TonyM]

Jed,

I currently use the single executable to manage all my own key wikis on my 
desktop. Is the upgrade process still a drop the executable in place and 
execute it? 
Especially with my existing wikis? Should I then add the bob plugin to each 
(perhaps not I think)?

This ability to customise and package a custom version is so col

Regards
Tony

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