Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Thanks for sharing this monitoring tool!


On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 11:53:27 PM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Interesting. My comments are based on my knowledge of TiddlyWiki and 
> having written TiddlyServer myself. I've never audited NodeJS to find out 
> what files it would write to. I'll have to do that sometime. By the way, 
> here's a good tool that I use to check what programs are doing on Windows. 
> It's what I would use for a thorough audit. 
>
> Process Explorer - Windows Sysinternals | Microsoft Docs 
> 
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 1:59 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> My actual testing in the past indicates that directories get created down 
>> in the roaming data directories, whether you're using node.js or 
>> tiddlydesktop or tiddlyserver. What it "should" do is another issue. It 
>> would be interesting to know what happens if someone attempts to run on a 
>> secure computer. I suppose there's only a handful of people who will care 
>> about some obscure directory being written to, but it's a good thing to 
>> keep in mind.
>>
>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 10:30:23 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> The node executable itself should never write to disk, unless instructed 
>>> to do so with the fs module, and I'm not aware of any operations that write 
>>> to a temp directory either. 
>>>
>>> The npm installation is separate and definitely scatters files in quite 
>>> a few places, although this can be restricted using npm settings. 
>>>
>>> TiddlyServer may write to a temp directory if you upload files (it uses 
>>> the formidable library) but then it moves the file to the correct directory 
>>> using the rename command, so it would only be left there if the upload 
>>> fails part way thorough. Other than that, TiddlyServer never writes to any 
>>> directory not specified in settings.json (whether that's a tree path, 
>>> backup directory, or log file). It does write to a file called 
>>> uncaughtException.log if there is an uncaught exception, which is always in 
>>> the installation directory. 
>>>
>>> I am not aware that Node TiddlyWiki writes to anywhere outside of the 
>>> data folder. But it would depend on which plugins are loaded. Each plugin 
>>> has its own characteristics, but for the most part, it should not write 
>>> anywhere outside the data folder. That should be true of all the stock 
>>> plugins. 
>>>
>>> Hope that helps. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:34 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>>

 I don't know about portable node.js, but I'm reasonably sure that 
 node.js lifted from a zip deployment will leave crumbs in the operating 
 system's directories. The thing I wonder is, if you tried this on a secure 
 machine, whether it would send up some alarm because the disk is being 
 written to.

 Since the idea of a portable tiddlywiki is to not leave any traces, 
 this is an important consideration.

 On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe 
> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
> thought I'd mention it. 
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? 
>> Or is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>
>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in 
>> the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
>> that 
>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features 
>>> on a thumb drive!
>>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>>>
>>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from 
>>> here
>>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>>
>>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>>
>>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>>>
>>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below 
>>> command (you need internet access)
>>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>>
>>> 5. That's all
>>>
>>>
>>> Make a test
>>> 1. Create 

Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Arlen Beiler]

Interesting. My comments are based on my knowledge of TiddlyWiki and having
written TiddlyServer myself. I've never audited NodeJS to find out what
files it would write to. I'll have to do that sometime. By the way, here's
a good tool that I use to check what programs are doing on Windows. It's
what I would use for a thorough audit.

Process Explorer - Windows Sysinternals | Microsoft Docs



On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 1:59 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> My actual testing in the past indicates that directories get created down
> in the roaming data directories, whether you're using node.js or
> tiddlydesktop or tiddlyserver. What it "should" do is another issue. It
> would be interesting to know what happens if someone attempts to run on a
> secure computer. I suppose there's only a handful of people who will care
> about some obscure directory being written to, but it's a good thing to
> keep in mind.
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 10:30:23 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> The node executable itself should never write to disk, unless instructed
>> to do so with the fs module, and I'm not aware of any operations that write
>> to a temp directory either.
>>
>> The npm installation is separate and definitely scatters files in quite a
>> few places, although this can be restricted using npm settings.
>>
>> TiddlyServer may write to a temp directory if you upload files (it uses
>> the formidable library) but then it moves the file to the correct directory
>> using the rename command, so it would only be left there if the upload
>> fails part way thorough. Other than that, TiddlyServer never writes to any
>> directory not specified in settings.json (whether that's a tree path,
>> backup directory, or log file). It does write to a file called
>> uncaughtException.log if there is an uncaught exception, which is always in
>> the installation directory.
>>
>> I am not aware that Node TiddlyWiki writes to anywhere outside of the
>> data folder. But it would depend on which plugins are loaded. Each plugin
>> has its own characteristics, but for the most part, it should not write
>> anywhere outside the data folder. That should be true of all the stock
>> plugins.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:34 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about portable node.js, but I'm reasonably sure that
>>> node.js lifted from a zip deployment will leave crumbs in the operating
>>> system's directories. The thing I wonder is, if you tried this on a secure
>>> machine, whether it would send up some alarm because the disk is being
>>> written to.
>>>
>>> Since the idea of a portable tiddlywiki is to not leave any traces, this
>>> is an important consideration.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the
 node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe
 tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It
 sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just
 thought I'd mention it.

 On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or
> is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>
> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in
> the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local
> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
> that
> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs
> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on
>> a thumb drive!
>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user.
>>
>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from
>> here
>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>
>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>
>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe
>>
>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below
>> command (you need internet access)
>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>
>> 5. That's all
>>
>>
>> Make a test
>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>
>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>
>> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>>  visit 

Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Hi Areln,

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 7:28:10 PM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> In this test, was the wiki a single-file wiki or a data folder? And I'm 
> assuming from the way you wrote it that you were running TiddlyServer, not 
> Node TiddlyWiki (which would be a datafolder), right?
>
I tested using  wiki folder. I used the portable Node.js + Tiddlywiki 5.1.22

--Mohammad

 

> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 1:09 PM Mohammad  > wrote:
>
>> Arlen, 
>> I did some tests! I see around 40-55MB when node is idle and around 
>> 86-92MB when it is active (e.g TW is opened in browser and one edits it)
>>
>> [image: pic-33.png]
>> So, node seems hungry and eats memory!
>>
>> Amazingly TWexe assume 4MB per wiki and Apache when is used 33MB (16 + 
>> 18) but none have the feature you have on node.js
>> The Twexe and Apache serve single .html
>>
>> Just for information
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:24:21 PM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, I ran top to see what the memory actually is. My computer is a 16 GB 
>>> machine. TiddlyWiki on Node uses 150 MB. TiddlyServer used 100 MB per wiki 
>>> (approximately), but less than 30 MB when no wikis were loaded (sorry, top 
>>> only listed the first page of results). Now, given Node's memory 
>>> management, I would guess that a more constrained environment would use 
>>> less, so I'm curious what results other people get. 
>>>
>>> In my mind, this is huge, so I'm not surprised people need a way around 
>>> it, but I'm not sure what the culprit is. I'll do some digging. All I know 
>>> is it's it's big on Node TiddlyWiki and on TiddlyServer both, so it's 
>>> probably somewhere in TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:47 AM Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>>
 People have in the past had problems with memory consumption when using 
 data folders and because TiddlyServer is intended to load data folders as 
 faithfully as possible, Jed created Bob, which does things a little 
 different but still works with almost all data folders. However the latest 
 raspberry pi should have enough memory to be able to handle TiddlyServer 
 quite easily. I’m assuming one would get the 4 GB version if you’re going 
 to use it for a server anyway. So I’m guessing this isn’t as big of a 
 problem as it used to be.

 Single file wikis on the other hand shouldn’t take much memory. The 
 TiddlyServer  documentation says how to enable back ups for single file 
 wikis. And the WebDAV saver works as expected, unlike Apache. 

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 04:16 Mohammad  wrote:

> Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv
>
> https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv
>
>
> and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.
>
> So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and 
> holding plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
> The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x
>
> In summary
>
> 1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny 
> NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to 
> create 
> backup)
> 2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another 
> port
> 3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive
>
> The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar 
> device.
>
> I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone 
> and setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
>> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run 
>> "node.exe 
>> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
>> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
>> thought I'd mention it. 
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or 
>>> is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>>
>>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in 
>>> the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
>>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
>>> that 
>>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread 
>>> crumbs 
>>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features 
 on a thumb drive!
 Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.

 If so, this is a short instruction for 

Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Mark,
 I used   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
I tried it on another Windows, seems there is no trace. Also in the readme 
it claims there is no trace.
I just checked the temp folder and %appdata%

--Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

My actual testing in the past indicates that directories get created down 
in the roaming data directories, whether you're using node.js or 
tiddlydesktop or tiddlyserver. What it "should" do is another issue. It 
would be interesting to know what happens if someone attempts to run on a 
secure computer. I suppose there's only a handful of people who will care 
about some obscure directory being written to, but it's a good thing to 
keep in mind.

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 10:30:23 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> The node executable itself should never write to disk, unless instructed 
> to do so with the fs module, and I'm not aware of any operations that write 
> to a temp directory either. 
>
> The npm installation is separate and definitely scatters files in quite a 
> few places, although this can be restricted using npm settings. 
>
> TiddlyServer may write to a temp directory if you upload files (it uses 
> the formidable library) but then it moves the file to the correct directory 
> using the rename command, so it would only be left there if the upload 
> fails part way thorough. Other than that, TiddlyServer never writes to any 
> directory not specified in settings.json (whether that's a tree path, 
> backup directory, or log file). It does write to a file called 
> uncaughtException.log if there is an uncaught exception, which is always in 
> the installation directory. 
>
> I am not aware that Node TiddlyWiki writes to anywhere outside of the data 
> folder. But it would depend on which plugins are loaded. Each plugin has 
> its own characteristics, but for the most part, it should not write 
> anywhere outside the data folder. That should be true of all the stock 
> plugins. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:34 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know about portable node.js, but I'm reasonably sure that node.js 
>> lifted from a zip deployment will leave crumbs in the operating system's 
>> directories. The thing I wonder is, if you tried this on a secure machine, 
>> whether it would send up some alarm because the disk is being written to.
>>
>> Since the idea of a portable tiddlywiki is to not leave any traces, this 
>> is an important consideration.
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
>>> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe 
>>> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
>>> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
>>> thought I'd mention it. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or 
 is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?

 Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in 
 the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
 directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
 that 
 has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
 are being left even if you use a portable device?


 On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on 
> a thumb drive!
> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>
> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>
> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from 
> here
>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>
> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>
> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>
> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command 
> (you need internet access)
> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>
> 5. That's all
>
>
> Make a test
> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>
> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>
> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>
>
> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves 
> no personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can 
> take it with you wherever you go.
>
>
> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Arlen Beiler]

The node executable itself should never write to disk, unless instructed to
do so with the fs module, and I'm not aware of any operations that write to
a temp directory either.

The npm installation is separate and definitely scatters files in quite a
few places, although this can be restricted using npm settings.

TiddlyServer may write to a temp directory if you upload files (it uses the
formidable library) but then it moves the file to the correct directory
using the rename command, so it would only be left there if the upload
fails part way thorough. Other than that, TiddlyServer never writes to any
directory not specified in settings.json (whether that's a tree path,
backup directory, or log file). It does write to a file called
uncaughtException.log if there is an uncaught exception, which is always in
the installation directory.

I am not aware that Node TiddlyWiki writes to anywhere outside of the data
folder. But it would depend on which plugins are loaded. Each plugin has
its own characteristics, but for the most part, it should not write
anywhere outside the data folder. That should be true of all the stock
plugins.

Hope that helps.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:34 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I don't know about portable node.js, but I'm reasonably sure that node.js
> lifted from a zip deployment will leave crumbs in the operating system's
> directories. The thing I wonder is, if you tried this on a secure machine,
> whether it would send up some alarm because the disk is being written to.
>
> Since the idea of a portable tiddlywiki is to not leave any traces, this
> is an important consideration.
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the
>> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe
>> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It
>> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just
>> thought I'd mention it.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or
>>> is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>>
>>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the
>>> app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local
>>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that
>>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs
>>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a
 thumb drive!
 Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.

 If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user.

 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from
 here
   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases

 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice

 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe

 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command
 (you need internet access)
 npm install -g tiddlywiki

 5. That's all


 Make a test
 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
 tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server

 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
 tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen

 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser


 It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves
 no personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can
 take it with you wherever you go.


 This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.

 --Mohammad


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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I don't know about portable node.js, but I'm reasonably sure that node.js 
lifted from a zip deployment will leave crumbs in the operating system's 
directories. The thing I wonder is, if you tried this on a secure machine, 
whether it would send up some alarm because the disk is being written to.

Since the idea of a portable tiddlywiki is to not leave any traces, this is 
an important consideration.

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe 
> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
> thought I'd mention it. 
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is 
>> it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>
>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the 
>> app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that 
>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a 
>>> thumb drive!
>>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>>>
>>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from here
>>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>>
>>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>>
>>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>>>
>>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command 
>>> (you need internet access)
>>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>>
>>> 5. That's all
>>>
>>>
>>> Make a test
>>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>>
>>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>>
>>> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>>>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>>>
>>>
>>> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves no 
>>> personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can take 
>>> it with you wherever you go.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Arlen Beiler]

In this test, was the wiki a single-file wiki or a data folder? And I'm
assuming from the way you wrote it that you were running TiddlyServer, not
Node TiddlyWiki (which would be a datafolder), right?

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 1:09 PM Mohammad  wrote:

> Arlen,
> I did some tests! I see around 40-55MB when node is idle and around
> 86-92MB when it is active (e.g TW is opened in browser and one edits it)
>
> [image: pic-33.png]
> So, node seems hungry and eats memory!
>
> Amazingly TWexe assume 4MB per wiki and Apache when is used 33MB (16 + 18)
> but none have the feature you have on node.js
> The Twexe and Apache serve single .html
>
> Just for information
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:24:21 PM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I ran top to see what the memory actually is. My computer is a 16 GB
>> machine. TiddlyWiki on Node uses 150 MB. TiddlyServer used 100 MB per wiki
>> (approximately), but less than 30 MB when no wikis were loaded (sorry, top
>> only listed the first page of results). Now, given Node's memory
>> management, I would guess that a more constrained environment would use
>> less, so I'm curious what results other people get.
>>
>> In my mind, this is huge, so I'm not surprised people need a way around
>> it, but I'm not sure what the culprit is. I'll do some digging. All I know
>> is it's it's big on Node TiddlyWiki and on TiddlyServer both, so it's
>> probably somewhere in TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:47 AM Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>
>>> People have in the past had problems with memory consumption when using
>>> data folders and because TiddlyServer is intended to load data folders as
>>> faithfully as possible, Jed created Bob, which does things a little
>>> different but still works with almost all data folders. However the latest
>>> raspberry pi should have enough memory to be able to handle TiddlyServer
>>> quite easily. I’m assuming one would get the 4 GB version if you’re going
>>> to use it for a server anyway. So I’m guessing this isn’t as big of a
>>> problem as it used to be.
>>>
>>> Single file wikis on the other hand shouldn’t take much memory. The
>>> TiddlyServer  documentation says how to enable back ups for single file
>>> wikis. And the WebDAV saver works as expected, unlike Apache.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 04:16 Mohammad  wrote:
>>>
 Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv

 https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv


 and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.

 So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and
 holding plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
 The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x

 In summary

 1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny
 NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to create
 backup)
 2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another port
 3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive

 The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar
 device.

 I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone
 and setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server



 On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the
> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe
> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It
> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just
> thought I'd mention it.
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
 If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or
>> is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>
>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in
>> the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local
>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
>> that
>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs
>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features
>>> on a thumb drive!
>>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user.
>>>
>>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from
>>> here
>>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>>
>>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>>
>>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe
>>>
>>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with 

Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Arlen Beiler]

Node TiddlyWiki (which handles data folders) is responsible for the large
memory consumption. As best as I can tell it's actually not something
TiddlyServer can do anything about. Single file wikis on TiddlyServer
should have similar memory consumption to the other products you mentioned
that serve single file wikis.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 1:09 PM Mohammad  wrote:

> Arlen,
> I did some tests! I see around 40-55MB when node is idle and around
> 86-92MB when it is active (e.g TW is opened in browser and one edits it)
>
> [image: pic-33.png]
> So, node seems hungry and eats memory!
>
> Amazingly TWexe assume 4MB per wiki and Apache when is used 33MB (16 + 18)
> but none have the feature you have on node.js
> The Twexe and Apache serve single .html
>
> Just for information
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:24:21 PM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I ran top to see what the memory actually is. My computer is a 16 GB
>> machine. TiddlyWiki on Node uses 150 MB. TiddlyServer used 100 MB per wiki
>> (approximately), but less than 30 MB when no wikis were loaded (sorry, top
>> only listed the first page of results). Now, given Node's memory
>> management, I would guess that a more constrained environment would use
>> less, so I'm curious what results other people get.
>>
>> In my mind, this is huge, so I'm not surprised people need a way around
>> it, but I'm not sure what the culprit is. I'll do some digging. All I know
>> is it's it's big on Node TiddlyWiki and on TiddlyServer both, so it's
>> probably somewhere in TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:47 AM Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>
>>> People have in the past had problems with memory consumption when using
>>> data folders and because TiddlyServer is intended to load data folders as
>>> faithfully as possible, Jed created Bob, which does things a little
>>> different but still works with almost all data folders. However the latest
>>> raspberry pi should have enough memory to be able to handle TiddlyServer
>>> quite easily. I’m assuming one would get the 4 GB version if you’re going
>>> to use it for a server anyway. So I’m guessing this isn’t as big of a
>>> problem as it used to be.
>>>
>>> Single file wikis on the other hand shouldn’t take much memory. The
>>> TiddlyServer  documentation says how to enable back ups for single file
>>> wikis. And the WebDAV saver works as expected, unlike Apache.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 04:16 Mohammad  wrote:
>>>
 Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv

 https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv


 and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.

 So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and
 holding plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
 The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x

 In summary

 1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny
 NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to create
 backup)
 2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another port
 3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive

 The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar
 device.

 I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone
 and setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server



 On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the
> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe
> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It
> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just
> thought I'd mention it.
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
 If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or
>> is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>
>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in
>> the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local
>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
>> that
>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs
>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features
>>> on a thumb drive!
>>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user.
>>>
>>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from
>>> here
>>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>>
>>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of 

Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Arlen, 
I did some tests! I see around 40-55MB when node is idle and around 86-92MB 
when it is active (e.g TW is opened in browser and one edits it)

[image: pic-33.png]
So, node seems hungry and eats memory!

Amazingly TWexe assume 4MB per wiki and Apache when is used 33MB (16 + 18) 
but none have the feature you have on node.js
The Twexe and Apache serve single .html

Just for information

--Mohammad



On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:24:21 PM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Ok, I ran top to see what the memory actually is. My computer is a 16 GB 
> machine. TiddlyWiki on Node uses 150 MB. TiddlyServer used 100 MB per wiki 
> (approximately), but less than 30 MB when no wikis were loaded (sorry, top 
> only listed the first page of results). Now, given Node's memory 
> management, I would guess that a more constrained environment would use 
> less, so I'm curious what results other people get. 
>
> In my mind, this is huge, so I'm not surprised people need a way around 
> it, but I'm not sure what the culprit is. I'll do some digging. All I know 
> is it's it's big on Node TiddlyWiki and on TiddlyServer both, so it's 
> probably somewhere in TiddlyWiki.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:47 AM Arlen Beiler  > wrote:
>
>> People have in the past had problems with memory consumption when using 
>> data folders and because TiddlyServer is intended to load data folders as 
>> faithfully as possible, Jed created Bob, which does things a little 
>> different but still works with almost all data folders. However the latest 
>> raspberry pi should have enough memory to be able to handle TiddlyServer 
>> quite easily. I’m assuming one would get the 4 GB version if you’re going 
>> to use it for a server anyway. So I’m guessing this isn’t as big of a 
>> problem as it used to be.
>>
>> Single file wikis on the other hand shouldn’t take much memory. The 
>> TiddlyServer  documentation says how to enable back ups for single file 
>> wikis. And the WebDAV saver works as expected, unlike Apache. 
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 04:16 Mohammad > > wrote:
>>
>>> Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv
>>>
>>> https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv
>>>
>>>
>>> and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and holding 
>>> plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
>>> The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x
>>>
>>> In summary
>>>
>>> 1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny 
>>> NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to create 
>>> backup)
>>> 2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another port
>>> 3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive
>>>
>>> The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar 
>>> device.
>>>
>>> I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone 
>>> and setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
 node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe 
 tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
 sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
 thought I'd mention it. 

 On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or 
> is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>
> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in 
> the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
> that 
> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on 
>> a thumb drive!
>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>>
>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from 
>> here
>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>
>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>
>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>>
>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below 
>> command (you need internet access)
>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>
>> 5. That's all
>>
>>
>> Make a test
>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>
>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki 

Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Hi Arlen,
 Many thanks for these useful inputs! So, one should make trade off between 
this flexibility and memory consumption!

Best
Mohammad

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:24:21 PM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Ok, I ran top to see what the memory actually is. My computer is a 16 GB 
> machine. TiddlyWiki on Node uses 150 MB. TiddlyServer used 100 MB per wiki 
> (approximately), but less than 30 MB when no wikis were loaded (sorry, top 
> only listed the first page of results). Now, given Node's memory 
> management, I would guess that a more constrained environment would use 
> less, so I'm curious what results other people get. 
>
> In my mind, this is huge, so I'm not surprised people need a way around 
> it, but I'm not sure what the culprit is. I'll do some digging. All I know 
> is it's it's big on Node TiddlyWiki and on TiddlyServer both, so it's 
> probably somewhere in TiddlyWiki.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:47 AM Arlen Beiler  > wrote:
>
>> People have in the past had problems with memory consumption when using 
>> data folders and because TiddlyServer is intended to load data folders as 
>> faithfully as possible, Jed created Bob, which does things a little 
>> different but still works with almost all data folders. However the latest 
>> raspberry pi should have enough memory to be able to handle TiddlyServer 
>> quite easily. I’m assuming one would get the 4 GB version if you’re going 
>> to use it for a server anyway. So I’m guessing this isn’t as big of a 
>> problem as it used to be.
>>
>> Single file wikis on the other hand shouldn’t take much memory. The 
>> TiddlyServer  documentation says how to enable back ups for single file 
>> wikis. And the WebDAV saver works as expected, unlike Apache. 
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 04:16 Mohammad > > wrote:
>>
>>> Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv
>>>
>>> https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv
>>>
>>>
>>> and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and holding 
>>> plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
>>> The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x
>>>
>>> In summary
>>>
>>> 1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny 
>>> NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to create 
>>> backup)
>>> 2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another port
>>> 3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive
>>>
>>> The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar 
>>> device.
>>>
>>> I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone 
>>> and setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
 node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe 
 tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
 sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
 thought I'd mention it. 

 On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or 
> is it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>
> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in 
> the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine 
> that 
> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on 
>> a thumb drive!
>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>>
>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from 
>> here
>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>
>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>
>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>>
>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below 
>> command (you need internet access)
>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>
>> 5. That's all
>>
>>
>> Make a test
>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>
>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>
>> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>>
>>
>> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves 
>> no personal information 

Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Arlen Beiler]

Ok, I ran top to see what the memory actually is. My computer is a 16 GB
machine. TiddlyWiki on Node uses 150 MB. TiddlyServer used 100 MB per wiki
(approximately), but less than 30 MB when no wikis were loaded (sorry, top
only listed the first page of results). Now, given Node's memory
management, I would guess that a more constrained environment would use
less, so I'm curious what results other people get.

In my mind, this is huge, so I'm not surprised people need a way around it,
but I'm not sure what the culprit is. I'll do some digging. All I know is
it's it's big on Node TiddlyWiki and on TiddlyServer both, so it's probably
somewhere in TiddlyWiki.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 8:47 AM Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> People have in the past had problems with memory consumption when using
> data folders and because TiddlyServer is intended to load data folders as
> faithfully as possible, Jed created Bob, which does things a little
> different but still works with almost all data folders. However the latest
> raspberry pi should have enough memory to be able to handle TiddlyServer
> quite easily. I’m assuming one would get the 4 GB version if you’re going
> to use it for a server anyway. So I’m guessing this isn’t as big of a
> problem as it used to be.
>
> Single file wikis on the other hand shouldn’t take much memory. The
> TiddlyServer  documentation says how to enable back ups for single file
> wikis. And the WebDAV saver works as expected, unlike Apache.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 04:16 Mohammad  wrote:
>
>> Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv
>>
>> https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv
>>
>>
>> and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and holding
>> plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
>> The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x
>>
>> In summary
>>
>> 1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny
>> NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to create
>> backup)
>> 2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another port
>> 3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive
>>
>> The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar
>> device.
>>
>> I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone
>> and setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the
>>> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe
>>> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It
>>> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just
>>> thought I'd mention it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is
 it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?

 Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in
 the app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local
 directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that
 has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs
 are being left even if you use a portable device?


 On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on
> a thumb drive!
> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>
> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user.
>
> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from
> here
>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>
> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>
> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe
>
> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command
> (you need internet access)
> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>
> 5. That's all
>
>
> Make a test
> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>
> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>
> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>
>
> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves
> no personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can
> take it with you wherever you go.
>
>
> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> --
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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Arlen Beiler]

People have in the past had problems with memory consumption when using
data folders and because TiddlyServer is intended to load data folders as
faithfully as possible, Jed created Bob, which does things a little
different but still works with almost all data folders. However the latest
raspberry pi should have enough memory to be able to handle TiddlyServer
quite easily. I’m assuming one would get the 4 GB version if you’re going
to use it for a server anyway. So I’m guessing this isn’t as big of a
problem as it used to be.

Single file wikis on the other hand shouldn’t take much memory. The
TiddlyServer  documentation says how to enable back ups for single file
wikis. And the WebDAV saver works as expected, unlike Apache.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 04:16 Mohammad  wrote:

> Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv
>
> https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv
>
>
> and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.
>
> So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and holding
> plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
> The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x
>
> In summary
>
> 1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny
> NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to create
> backup)
> 2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another port
> 3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive
>
> The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar
> device.
>
> I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone and
> setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the
>> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe
>> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It
>> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just
>> thought I'd mention it.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is
>>> it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>>
>>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the
>>> app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local
>>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that
>>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs
>>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a
 thumb drive!
 Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.

 If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user.

 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from
 here
   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases

 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice

 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe

 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command
 (you need internet access)
 npm install -g tiddlywiki

 5. That's all


 Make a test
 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
 tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server

 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
 tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen

 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser


 It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves
 no personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can
 take it with you wherever you go.


 This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.

 --Mohammad


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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[TonyM]

I had a look at the Twexe for windows it needs upgrading to 5.1.22 and I can't 
yet work out how to do this. It works as desired already.

Regards
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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Further to the instruction by Arlen one can download simplesrv

https://github.com/lucsan/simpserv


and create a readonly webserver to fire any single .html Tiddlywiki.

So, it possible to have a portable webserver for Tiddlywiki (and holding 
plugin libraries) on a thumb drive
The size of server 14MB if one use Node.JS 6.x

In summary

1. Follow the instruction by Arlen above, lets you have a tiny 
NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server (read/write/save) + (Arlen may guide us to create 
backup)
2. Add the simpleserv above to have a readonly webserver on another port
3. Put all in folder on a thumb drive

The above setup is small and can be used on Raspberry Pi and similar device.

I am thinking  one can put whole of these on an old Android cell phone and 
setup a portable NodeJS+Tiddlywiki server



On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe 
> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
> thought I'd mention it. 
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is 
>> it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>
>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the 
>> app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that 
>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a 
>>> thumb drive!
>>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>>>
>>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from here
>>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>>
>>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>>
>>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>>>
>>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command 
>>> (you need internet access)
>>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>>
>>> 5. That's all
>>>
>>>
>>> Make a test
>>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>>
>>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>>
>>> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>>>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>>>
>>>
>>> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves no 
>>> personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can take 
>>> it with you wherever you go.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:11:01 PM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Great idea Mohammad.
>
> Perhaps make it a zip or an install batch that can be stored localy to the 
> same effect.
>
> Do consider an alternate local host address so it does not clash with 
> typical uses of local host e.g. 127.0.1.100
>

Tony, have a look at this page and see how Node.js can be started on 
different IP. 
https://nodejs.org/dist/latest-v12.x/docs/api/synopsis.html

To my understanding 

tiddlywiki --server  


Starts node at localhost and port  so, one needs to customize this.
 

> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:11:01 PM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Great idea Mohammad.
>
> Perhaps make it a zip or an install batch that can be stored localy to the 
> same effect.
>
> Do consider an alternate local host address so it does not clash with 
> typical uses of local host e.g. 127.0.1.100
>

Tony, this seems possible and you can add your own settings!
 

> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Tony,
 This is Node.js so what you can do with Node, you should be able to do 
with Protable TW+Node.js
 It seems both IP and port can be customized!

--Mohammad

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 3:01:41 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad
>
> Thanks for sharing this. 
>
> It can be quite common for a computer to have an app or server running on 
> local host. In this case the 127.0.0.1:8080 may not be available. If your 
> instructions do not work do you think you could add the ability to see the 
> port used, set the port or use another local host address eg 127.0.1.1?
>
> I like the clear simple instructions so please stick with that but perhaps 
> add a post install check.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[TonyM]

Great idea Mohammad.

Perhaps make it a zip or an install batch that can be stored localy to the same 
effect.

Do consider an alternate local host address so it does not clash with typical 
uses of local host e.g. 127.0.1.100

Regards
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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Hi Arlen,
 Many thanks for your input! Your method may results in a much smaller size!
 I will give a try!

The reason of portable Tiddlywiki + Node.js is to use the full power for 
busy or non-technical people!

Thank you!

--Mohammad

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:23:32 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the 
> node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe 
> tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It 
> sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just 
> thought I'd mention it. 
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is 
>> it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>>
>> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the 
>> app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
>> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that 
>> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
>> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a 
>>> thumb drive!
>>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>>>
>>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from here
>>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>>
>>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>>
>>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>>>
>>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command 
>>> (you need internet access)
>>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>>
>>> 5. That's all
>>>
>>>
>>> Make a test
>>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>>
>>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>>
>>> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>>>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>>>
>>>
>>> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves no 
>>> personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can take 
>>> it with you wherever you go.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Mohammad]

Hi Mark,

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:31:35 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is 
> it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>

It seems portable node.js smartly put Tiddlywiki in the right place : in 
App/node_modules folder on the thumb drive 

>
> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the 
> app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that 
> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>

I did not test this! But I will make a test and let you know! 

>
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a 
>> thumb drive!
>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>>
>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from here
>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>
>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>
>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>>
>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command 
>> (you need internet access)
>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>
>> 5. That's all
>>
>>
>> Make a test
>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>
>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>
>> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>>
>>
>> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves no 
>> personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can take 
>> it with you wherever you go.
>>
>>
>> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

[Arlen Beiler]

Another way is to download the zip file from NodeJS.org, and copy the
node.exe file into the tiddlywiki folder, then (on windows) run "node.exe
tiddlywiki.js". You can download the tiddlywiki folder from GitHub. It
sounds like that is slightly more complicated than your method, but just
thought I'd mention it.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:01 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is
> it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?
>
> Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the
> app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local
> directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that
> has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs
> are being left even if you use a portable device?
>
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a
>> thumb drive!
>> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user.
>>
>> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from here
>>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>>
>> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>>
>> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe
>>
>> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command
>> (you need internet access)
>> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>>
>> 5. That's all
>>
>>
>> Make a test
>> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>>
>> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
>> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>
>> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>>
>>
>> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves no
>> personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can take
>> it with you wherever you go.
>>
>>
>> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: A Portable Tiddlywiki Node.Js on a Thumb Drive

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If you use "-g", isn't it putting the data down in your user drive? Or is 
it smart enough to put it all on the thumb drive ?

Plus, in the past, node had a habit of creating empty directories in the 
app/roaming directories even if you had specified specific local 
directories. This would be hard to detect unless you test on a machine that 
has never used node.js at all. That is, is it possible that bread crumbs 
are being left even if you use a portable device?


On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> You may like to have a Tiddlywiki on Node.js with all its features on a 
> thumb drive!
> Or a Plug and Play Tiddlywiki.
>
> If so, this is a short instruction for Windows user. 
>
> 1. Download the portable Node.js:  (NodeJSPortable_6.14.2.zip)  from here
>   https://github.com/garethflowers/nodejs-portable/releases
>
> 2. Unzip on your thumb drive in the folder of choice
>
> 3. Run NodeJSPortable.exe   
>
> 4. In the command window appears install Tiddlywiki with below command 
> (you need internet access)
> npm install -g tiddlywiki
>
> 5. That's all
>
>
> Make a test
> 1. Create a new wiki, by entering  below command
> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server
>
> 2. Run your wiki by entering  below command
> tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>
> 3. Open a browser (FF, Chrome, Edge, Safari, ...) and
>  visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ in your browser
>
>
> It has all the same features as Tiddlywiki on NodeJS, plus, it leaves no 
> personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can take 
> it with you wherever you go.
>
>
> This is another journey in Tiddlywiki wonderland.
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>

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