Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi TT,

In order to fulfil some of the user interface requirements, like keeping
track of the current reading location or creating annotations anywhere
inside the text, Jeremy introduced Dynaview, then Dynannotate.  In the
context of ePub reading, Dynaview's aim is to reveal on demand the little
chunks that have been produced at ePub parse time, along with their
possible annotations. Once you have this collection of chunks (aka
tiddlers), the performance, while still subject to optimisation, is not
much of a worry: these chunks are not tangled nor even weaved together
through any complex cross-references system. At the time Dynaview comes
into play, the list of chunks is already sorted, waiting to be displayed at
reading pace. That's because ePub is a much poorer and linear format than
TiddlyWiki of course. Fortunately, what can do more, can do less.

By the way, being able to split any ePub into chunks is probably the
hardest part of the project. Not only because choosing the chunks limits
can be hard, but also because styles are often used very loosely by
publishers : for instance, you may find paragraphs that are expressed as The first
paragraph of a section, as you have to guess. because the WYSIWYG
tools that helped producing the ePub are generally misleading. I spare you
the table and images issues :-)

Cheers,
-- Xavier Cazin


On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 6:43 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Xavier
>
> There is interest in it growing.
>
> I think the very good PERFORMANCE aspect is particularly interesting since
> eBooks are large documents.
>
> Over in GG we did some tests with Dynaview but still hitting issues which
> the eBook version does not have. I think better understanding the eBook
> edition of TW will help a lot.
>
> Fingers crossed x
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> Xavier wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not yet ready because of some pressing redesign, but it will eventually
>> be released as a normal plugin
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[TiddlyTweeter]

Xavier

There is interest in it growing.

I think the very good PERFORMANCE aspect is particularly interesting since 
eBooks are large documents.

Over in GG we did some tests with Dynaview but still hitting issues which 
the eBook version does not have. I think better understanding the eBook 
edition of TW will help a lot.

Fingers crossed x

Best wishes
TT

Xavier wrote:
>
>
> Not yet ready because of some pressing redesign, but it will eventually be 
> released as a normal plugin
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Ed Heil]

Thanks, Xavier!


On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 1:02:08 PM UTC-4, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Not yet ready because of some pressing redesign, but it will eventually be 
> released as a normal plugin, hopefully via some Community Plugin Library 
> that TW5 greatest minds have given thought to recently. 
>
> Cheers,
> -- Xavier Cazin
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:44 PM Ed Heil > 
> wrote:
>
>> Was the "epub slicer" ever released publicly? 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 6:33:57 AM UTC-4, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> TL;DR: Go to 
>>> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>>>  
>>> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
>>> to know more.
>>>
>>> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
>>> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
>>> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
>>> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
>>> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
>>> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>>>
>>>
>>> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and 
>>> Mobipocket were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and 
>>> Amazon respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that 
>>> publishers could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also 
>>> sells PDF books). 
>>>
>>> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the 
>>> ebook market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern 
>>> format for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>>>
>>>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the 
>>>same browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your 
>>> mobile 
>>>or at your desktop;
>>>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>>>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>>>time;
>>>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can 
>>>be;
>>>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>>>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>>>feature;
>>>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>>>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and 
>>>also write above and around it;
>>>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>>>famous piece on piracy 
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
>>> to 
>>>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>>>
>>> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
>>> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
>>> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
>>> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
>>> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>>>
>>>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 
>>>(mostly French) publishers into TW5
>>>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet 
>>>familiar enough for both people reading content on the Web and people 
>>> used 
>>>to ePub reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>>>
>>> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
>>> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
>>> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
>>> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
>>> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to 
>>> TW5 user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led 
>>> to a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that 
>>> are now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at 
>>> the *7switch* ebookstore:
>>>
>>>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of 
>>>TW5: the dynaview plugin 
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>>>gestures like scrolling.
>>>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>>>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can 
>>> find 
>>>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number 
>>>of ways.
>>>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to 

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Ed,

Not yet ready because of some pressing redesign, but it will eventually be
released as a normal plugin, hopefully via some Community Plugin Library
that TW5 greatest minds have given thought to recently.

Cheers,
-- Xavier Cazin


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:44 PM Ed Heil  wrote:

> Was the "epub slicer" ever released publicly?
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 6:33:57 AM UTC-4, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> TL;DR: Go to
>> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like
>> to know more.
>>
>> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years,
>> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook
>> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *.
>> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is
>> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have
>> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>>
>>
>> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and
>> Mobipocket were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and
>> Amazon respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that
>> publishers could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also
>> sells PDF books).
>>
>> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the
>> ebook market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern
>> format for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>>
>>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same
>>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
>> at
>>your desktop;
>>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last
>>time;
>>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from
>>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this
>>feature;
>>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also
>>write above and around it;
>>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's
>>famous piece on piracy
>>
>> 
>>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
>> to
>>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>>
>> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that
>> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts
>> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly
>> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com
>> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>>
>>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000
>>(mostly French) publishers into TW5
>>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar
>>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub
>>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>>
>> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project
>> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course!
>> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book
>> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5
>> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5
>> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests.
>>
>>
>> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to
>> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are
>> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the
>> *7switch* ebookstore:
>>
>>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of
>>TW5: the dynaview plugin
>>
>> 
>>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar
>>gestures like scrolling.
>>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way
>>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find
>>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number
>>of ways.
>>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any
>>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content
>>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read
>>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple
>>converted books can be 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Ed Heil]

Was the "epub slicer" ever released publicly? 


On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 6:33:57 AM UTC-4, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple 
>converted books can be hosted in a single TW5 file, but also one can 
>override book content without fear, since the original shadow tiddlers 
>could be retrieved at any time. Note that the HTML parsing is not yet 
>complete, as we'd like to be able to parse any ePub, whether their content 
>has been well semantised or not. So 

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hallo Thomas,

Thank you for your kind words!


>  By the way: If you delete "Einen" then the text would fit on the button
> shown below also in German. And it would not harm the meaning in any way.
> (In Switzerland we always assume French would take up most space.)
>
> [image: Bildschirmfoto 2020-03-14 um 16.01.03.png]
>
>
Thank you, I've committed the change. It will be hopefully deployed early
next week ;-)

> Last and least: Languages symbolised by flags as on your website often
> don’t match. I read books in German, but I am Swiss so the German flag does
> not appeal to me in the way it might be intended. Possibly it is the same
> for English speaking Canadians or US citicens.
>
You are absolutely right, we tend to overlook these issues, as there seems
to be no good interface solution! I'll work with my colleagues upon your
comments, and try to come with something more satisfying.
(any suggestions welcome of course :-)

Cheers,
Xavier.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[TiddlyTweeter]

Thomas

I might be very interesting to combine this with your own work on "seamless 
texts"? 
Your visual layout for them was Good.
The bookmarking was also excellent.

Striking with the three's solution in the end result is performance the 
"overlays" & the text search.

If you ever did I'd be interested!

Best wishes
TT

On Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:12:19 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Wow! Congrats to the whole team.
>
> At first sight, the search features impressed me most, other parts 
> resemble ideas I had myself (e.g. 1 tiddler per paragraph). I will have to 
> explore more.
>
>>
>> There are almost 60K books in German that you can test here: 
>> https://www.7switch.com/de/list/drmfree/lang-ger/new/territory-FR/page/1/price
>>  
>> :-)
>>
>>  
> By the way: If you delete "Einen" then the text would fit on the button 
> shown below also in German. And it would not harm the meaning in any way. 
> (In Switzerland we always assume French would take up most space.)
>
> [image: Bildschirmfoto 2020-03-14 um 16.01.03.png]
>
> Last and least: Languages symbolised by flags as on your website often 
> don’t match. I read books in German, but I am Swiss so the German flag does 
> not appeal to me in the way it might be intended. Possibly it is the same 
> for English speaking Canadians or US citicens. 
>
>
> All the best, 
>
> Thomas
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Alex Hough]

JUST WOW!

Everything I love about TW on this thread. Innovation, cooperation,
comments from around the world

Thank you Xavier, Jeremy and JD!

Alex

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 15:12, Thomas Elmiger 
wrote:

> Wow! Congrats to the whole team.
>
> At first sight, the search features impressed me most, other parts
> resemble ideas I had myself (e.g. 1 tiddler per paragraph). I will have to
> explore more.
>
>>
>> There are almost 60K books in German that you can test here:
>> https://www.7switch.com/de/list/drmfree/lang-ger/new/territory-FR/page/1/price
>> :-)
>>
>>
> By the way: If you delete "Einen" then the text would fit on the button
> shown below also in German. And it would not harm the meaning in any way.
> (In Switzerland we always assume French would take up most space.)
>
> [image: Bildschirmfoto 2020-03-14 um 16.01.03.png]
>
>
> Last and least: Languages symbolised by flags as on your website often
> don’t match. I read books in German, but I am Swiss so the German flag does
> not appeal to me in the way it might be intended. Possibly it is the same
> for English speaking Canadians or US citicens.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Thomas Elmiger]

Wow! Congrats to the whole team.

At first sight, the search features impressed me most, other parts resemble 
ideas I had myself (e.g. 1 tiddler per paragraph). I will have to explore 
more.

>
> There are almost 60K books in German that you can test here: 
> https://www.7switch.com/de/list/drmfree/lang-ger/new/territory-FR/page/1/price
>  
> :-)
>
>  
By the way: If you delete "Einen" then the text would fit on the button 
shown below also in German. And it would not harm the meaning in any way. 
(In Switzerland we always assume French would take up most space.)

[image: Bildschirmfoto 2020-03-14 um 16.01.03.png]


Last and least: Languages symbolised by flags as on your website often 
don’t match. I read books in German, but I am Swiss so the German flag does 
not appeal to me in the way it might be intended. Possibly it is the same 
for English speaking Canadians or US citicens. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

> I'll have a closer look about the battery load. ... But nothing special
> for now.
>
> Again. Nice work!
>

Thanks Mario! There are almost 60K books in German that you can test here:
https://www.7switch.com/de/list/drmfree/lang-ger/new/territory-FR/page/1/price
:-)
Cheers,
-- Xavier.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[PMario]

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 5:30:57 PM UTC+1, Xavier wrote:
>
> Thank you Mario for your feedback. Your CPU load increase is indeed 
> worrisome. Could you tell us which book(s) you are using for testing?
>

Hi, 
The one you linked in the first post. ... I did try a second one, which I 
don't know anymore. ... Same thing happened. 

Then I did download the "first" ebook to my mobile. Also tested with FF for 
Android. Couldn't see any problems there. 
I'll have a closer look about the battery load. ... But nothing special for 
now. 

Again. Nice work!
-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Thank you Mario for your feedback. Your CPU load increase is indeed
worrisome. Could you tell us which book(s) you are using for testing?

Cheers,
-- Xavier


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:54 PM PMario  wrote:

> Hi Xavier,
>
> That's an interesting approach. Well done!
>
> -
>
> The only thing that annoyed me, was that the laptop fans started after a
> view minutes, as I did play with TWebooks.
>
> Having a closer look, that CPU load seems to be a problem.
>
> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, FireFox 74 (latest). The Laptop has an intel
> Core I7 and 16GByte of ram. So there shouldn't be any problems with the CPU
> load.
>
> Just wanted to let you know.
> -mario
>
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[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[PMario]

Hi Xavier,

That's an interesting approach. Well done!

-

The only thing that annoyed me, was that the laptop fans started after a 
view minutes, as I did play with TWebooks. 

Having a closer look, that CPU load seems to be a problem. 

I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, FireFox 74 (latest). The Laptop has an intel 
Core I7 and 16GByte of ram. So there shouldn't be any problems with the CPU 
load. 

Just wanted to let you know. 
-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Joshua,

Thank you, your appreciation is very valuable! As of today, *immatériel*
would be able to distribute worldwide the catalog of any publishing house
that would include books in TiddlyWiki format. I'd be glad to pursue this
discussion further: don't hesitate to contact me directly.

For anyone out there who is willing to publish such a book independently,
it may be more difficult. I'm not sure, but maybe we can create a dedicated
imprint to gather such efforts...

Best regards,
-- Xavier Cazin


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:28 AM Joshua Fontany 
wrote:

> Xavier, Jeremy, JD,
>
> WOW. This is very impressive. I have been considering how I would
> "re-present" a PDF/ebook as a Tiddlywiki and this exceeds most of what I
> came up with!
>
> To springboard from Morgaine's comment about choose-you-own-adventure
> books, I specifically was thinking about how to present RPG Source Books
> (Adventure-Modules, Monser-Manuals, etc) as Tiddlywiki plugins.
>
> I  noticed the Dynannotate plugin while updating my fork of the TW5
> repository, but didn't have the context for the project.
>
> I would love to discuss this more, as I think it would eventually be worth
> approaching the couple of RPG publishing companies I have friends at (one
> of which is a brand new french-language brand). Synchronicities abound. ;)
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>
> On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-7, Morgaine O'Herne wrote:
>>
>> Tiddlywiki would be perfect for choose-your-own-adventure books!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:33:57 AM UTC-6, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> TL;DR: Go to
>>> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>>> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like
>>> to know more.
>>>
>>> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years,
>>> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook
>>> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *.
>>> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is
>>> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have
>>> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>>>
>>>
>>> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and
>>> Mobipocket were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and
>>> Amazon respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that
>>> publishers could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also
>>> sells PDF books).
>>>
>>> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the
>>> ebook market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern
>>> format for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>>>
>>>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the
>>>same browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your 
>>> mobile
>>>or at your desktop;
>>>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>>>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last
>>>time;
>>>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can
>>>be;
>>>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from
>>>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this
>>>feature;
>>>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>>>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and
>>>also write above and around it;
>>>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's
>>>famous piece on piracy
>>>
>>> 
>>>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
>>> to
>>>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>>>
>>> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that
>>> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts
>>> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly
>>> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com
>>> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>>>
>>>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000
>>>(mostly French) publishers into TW5
>>>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet
>>>familiar enough for both people reading content on the Web and people 
>>> used
>>>to ePub reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>>>
>>> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project
>>> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course!
>>> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book
>>> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5
>>> interface, I asked *JD*, one 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Joshua Fontany]

Xavier, Jeremy, JD,

WOW. This is very impressive. I have been considering how I would 
"re-present" a PDF/ebook as a Tiddlywiki and this exceeds most of what I 
came up with!

To springboard from Morgaine's comment about choose-you-own-adventure 
books, I specifically was thinking about how to present RPG Source Books 
(Adventure-Modules, Monser-Manuals, etc) as Tiddlywiki plugins.

I  noticed the Dynannotate plugin while updating my fork of the TW5 
repository, but didn't have the context for the project.

I would love to discuss this more, as I think it would eventually be worth 
approaching the couple of RPG publishing companies I have friends at (one 
of which is a brand new french-language brand). Synchronicities abound. ;)

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-7, Morgaine O'Herne wrote:
>
> Tiddlywiki would be perfect for choose-your-own-adventure books!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:33:57 AM UTC-6, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> TL;DR: Go to 
>> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>>  
>> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
>> to know more.
>>
>> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
>> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
>> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
>> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
>> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
>> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>>
>>
>> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and 
>> Mobipocket were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and 
>> Amazon respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that 
>> publishers could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also 
>> sells PDF books). 
>>
>> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the 
>> ebook market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern 
>> format for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>>
>>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
>> at 
>>your desktop;
>>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>>time;
>>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>>feature;
>>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>>write above and around it;
>>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>>famous piece on piracy 
>>
>> 
>>  
>>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
>> to 
>>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>>
>> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
>> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
>> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
>> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
>> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>>
>>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 
>>(mostly French) publishers into TW5
>>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>>
>> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
>> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
>> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
>> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
>> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
>> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>>
>>
>> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
>> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
>> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
>> *7switch* ebookstore:
>>
>>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of 
>>TW5: the dynaview plugin 
>>
>> 
>>  
>>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Morgaine O'Herne]

Tiddlywiki would be perfect for choose-your-own-adventure books!


On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:33:57 AM UTC-6, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple 
>converted books can be hosted in a single TW5 file, but also one can 
>override book content without fear, since the original shadow tiddlers 
>could be retrieved at any time. Note that the HTML parsing is not yet 
>complete, as we'd like to be able to parse any ePub, whether their content 
>has been well 

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Morgaine,

Thank you! I'd love to showcase a novel that uses TW5 features natively to
beef up characters and story...

Cheers,
-- Xavier

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Morgaine O'Herne]

This is wonderful! Now I want to write a novel.


On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:33:57 AM UTC-6, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple 
>converted books can be hosted in a single TW5 file, but also one can 
>override book content without fear, since the original shadow tiddlers 
>could be retrieved at any time. Note that the HTML parsing is not yet 
>complete, as we'd like to be able to parse any ePub, whether their content 
>has been well semantised or not. So 

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[TiddlyTweeter]

Thanks Xavier

Helpful answers, thanks.

1 - *LOADING IMAGES?* The dynamic loading is v. good and gets around some 
>> issues TW had with larger texts..
>>
>> .Does it work well with internal images?
>>
>
> Absolutely. You may want to "buy" this free book 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9782759227730/emergence-of-infectious-diseases
>  
> and see how the diagrams appear.
>

I did. Useful to see. And topical. I also notice it has a few interesting 
"Inline" annotations (not working properly?) that look useful too!

Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Josiah,

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:20 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Xavier Cazin wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like
>> to know more.
>>
>
> Xavier, Jeremy, JD
>
> *That is a fabulous achievement!* Basically you have achieved most ALL of
> the things I was looking for in a tool to read and edit linear documents!
>
> Thank you!
>

Thank you, this is very encouraging!

I have some more technical questions. Is this the right place to ask them?
> Or do you have a repository you take queries in?
>

For now, GG is good enough :-)

> Anyway, these are a few thoughts & queries ---
>
> 1 - *LOADING IMAGES?* The dynamic loading is v. good and gets around some
> issues TW had with larger texts..
>
> .Does it work well with internal images?
>

Absolutely. You may want to "buy" this free book
https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9782759227730/emergence-of-infectious-diseases
and see how the diagrams appear.

> .By way of *support to Xavier* I have a series of sketch
> illustrations by a woman artist for Great Expectations she may be willing
> to let you use freely. Let me know if you interested & I'll ask her and
> send them to you.
>

Thank you for your proposal but I'm not a publisher anymore. Actually, *Great
Expectations* was just an example of an already published book. You could
find thousands of other examples at the 7switch bookstore. If you buy a
non-DRM book, you'll get 3 formats : ePub + Mobipocket + TW5. If you just
want to read a free extract, you'll get it in TW5 only.

> 2 - *EPUBBLE FORMAT? *I'd like to understand Epubble better.
>
> The plugin says "The epubble format packages publications as a
> TiddlyWiki plugin. They can be created from off-the-shelf .epub files by
> using the epub-slicer plugin, or newly created publications can be
> authored directly in the new format for enhanced flexibility."
>
> .   I'm interested in extending some work I have done converting Gutenberg
> texts to TW via regular expressions that are directly inserted into a TW.
> .   I'm wondering if I can convert such texts directly to a Epubble and
> using its extended features?
>

Not tested yet, even though there is nothing to prevent you to package such
texts as ePubble

> .   What is best way to find out more?
>

As of now, you can only study the ePubble plugins inside the book, sorry !

> 3 - "*Scholar Format?*" -- This is just a comment. In citation of novels
> for scholarship of literature a standard method is to reference  "Chap Num,
> Para Num". I'm wondering in annotations could know and record that info?
>

This kind of semantic information can certainly be addressed at the
annotation level, but for now, we didn't work on this, since ePub structure
is not semantised (one of its great weaknesses). Only the non-semantic ToC
information is used for now.

4 - "*Bookmark reading points?*" --- Just a comment. I may try adding a
> bookmark system as annotation. But a thought that the annotation system
> might to extended simply to add a bookmark to a paragraph. Just re-open at
> last place I don't think is quite enough?
>

That's a feature that we need to refine, but clicking on the text without
highlighting it creates a paragraph comment. This comment can be used as a
bookmark in the sidebar.

> 5 - *Query: What about the saving?* -- Something very interesting about
> it is its independent of current problems of reading tools (Kindle, Calibre
> etc). That is hugely helpful.
> .At same time there is the general issue of saving a TW. I'm just
> wondering how you will present that issue to buyers?
>

If we used the browser local storage official plugin by default, it would
retrieve user's own comments and annotations each time (s)he loads the
book, so that a reader new to tiddlywiki wouldn't lose its added content.
We probably should embed this feature by default. Other than that, we get
the same limitations imposed by the browser to TiddlyWiki when saving the
file on your local filesystem.

Thanks a lot for your useful comments.
Xavier.

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[TiddlyTweeter]

Xavier Cazin wrote:
>
>  
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>

Xavier, Jeremy, JD

*That is a fabulous achievement!* Basically you have achieved most ALL of 
the things I was looking for in a tool to read and edit linear documents!

Thank you!

I have some more technical questions. Is this the right place to ask them? 
Or do you have a repository you take queries in?

Anyway, these are a few thoughts & queries ---

1 - *LOADING IMAGES?* The dynamic loading is v. good and gets around some 
issues TW had with larger texts..

.Does it work well with internal images?

.By way of *support to Xavier* I have a series of sketch illustrations 
by a woman artist for Great Expectations she may be willing to let you use 
freely. Let me know if you interested & I'll ask her and send them to you.

2 - *EPUBBLE FORMAT? *I'd like to understand Epubble better.

The plugin says "The epubble format packages publications as a 
TiddlyWiki plugin. They can be created from off-the-shelf .epub files by 
using the epub-slicer plugin, or newly created publications can be authored 
directly in the new format for enhanced flexibility."

.   I'm interested in extending some work I have done converting Gutenberg 
texts to TW via regular expressions that are directly inserted into a TW. 
.   I'm wondering if I can convert such texts directly to a Epubble and 
using its extended features?
.   What is best way to find out more?

3 - "*Scholar Format?*" -- This is just a comment. In citation of novels 
for scholarship of literature a standard method is to reference  "Chap Num, 
Para Num". I'm wondering in annotations could know and record that info?

4 - "*Bookmark reading points?*" --- Just a comment. I may try adding a 
bookmark system as annotation. But a thought that the annotation system 
might to extended simply to add a bookmark to a paragraph. Just re-open at 
last place I don't think is quite enough?

5 - *Query: What about the saving?* -- Something very interesting about it 
is its independent of current problems of reading tools (Kindle, Calibre 
etc). That is hugely helpful.
.At same time there is the general issue of saving a TW. I'm just 
wondering how you will present that issue to buyers?

Best wishes
Josiah




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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Sylvain,

As I said in the previous thread, congrats to you, Jeremy and JD for this
> beauty !
>
> Just play again with it, really like the search result, it's focus on
> direct sentence and not like standard in title or content, more efficient
> with your version I think.
>

Thank you, I agree that search comes very nicely and handy. This is one of
the great features that the new Dynannotate plugin brings.

> And well done with annotate function ; maybe the tricolore panel popup is
> a bit annoying for me, when you clic without selection, but I see that it's
> a different way to annotate a full section with color in marge.
>

Yes, it is not very clear that in this case you get a paragraph comment,
but don't forget that it's a reading interface, eventhough an *active* one:
the reader is not expected to click on the content unless (s)he wants to
add something.
Best,
Xavier.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Great stuff,
>

Thanks Tony !

I commented previously on another thread. Just a Quick point, love the
> highlighting outside of edit mode.
>

To reply to your question and Mohammad's about reusing some of the features
we've developed in the course of this project, in order to publish native
material, that's indeed a relatively low-hanging fruit that we'll probably
pick this year, once everything is stabilised. But the risk is to settle
for something that doesn't leverage the full power of TiddlyWiki, in terms
of dynamic features and interactivity for instance. Being able to include
the Sycom's leaflet maps plugin or BurningTreeC music sheets and midi
plugin or simply a Youtube video into a book is of unmatched value in the
publishing world!

So if we are talking about an authoring framework, I'd lean toward not
limiting TiddlyWiki, but rather documenting it with book authors in mind.
In fact, the so-called *Authoring Mode* that you get when you click on the
yellow latch is just the unleashed TiddlyWiki. Maybe it could become a
place where authors that are not familiar with TW5 get examples and
documentation. I like the idea of providing authoring documentation in
every single book released.


>- After selecting something, say in error, how can I deselect?
>
>
Highlights are in fact annotations without content. So if you click on your
highlight, and then on the trash bin, it deletes the (empty) annotation.

Cheers,
Xavier.


> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 9:33:57 PM UTC+11, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> TL;DR: Go to
>> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like
>> to know more.
>>
>> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years,
>> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook
>> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *.
>> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is
>> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have
>> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>>
>> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and
>> Mobipocket were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and
>> Amazon respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that
>> publishers could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also
>> sells PDF books).
>>
>> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the
>> ebook market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern
>> format for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>>
>>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same
>>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
>> at
>>your desktop;
>>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last
>>time;
>>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from
>>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this
>>feature;
>>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also
>>write above and around it;
>>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's
>>famous piece on piracy
>>
>> 
>>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
>> to
>>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>>
>> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that
>> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts
>> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly
>> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com
>> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>>
>>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000
>>(mostly French) publishers into TW5
>>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar
>>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub
>>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>>
>> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project
>> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course!
>> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book
>> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5
>> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5
>> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests.
>>
>>
>> Soon enough, the three of us 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[TonyM]

Great stuff,

I commented previously on another thread. Just a Quick point, love the 
highlighting outside of edit mode. 


   - After selecting something, say in error, how can I deselect?

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 9:33:57 PM UTC+11, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple 
>converted books can be hosted in a single TW5 file, but also one can 
>override book content without fear, since the original shadow tiddlers 
>could be retrieved at any time. Note 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[TonyM]

I am impressed,

I love the ability to touch highlight text on my desktop/mobile. The brand  
*immatériel 
works well in english as well. *

*I am looking to publish manuals and other items in tiddlywiki, I do hope 
you share some of your "simplification" or lockout configuration to the 
community. *

Thanks for sharing, Once launched I think we can all help promote this.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:19:11 AM UTC+11, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr 
> *.
>  
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Sylvain Naudin]

Bonsoir Xavier :)

As I said in the previous thread, congrats to you, Jeremy and JD for this 
beauty !

Just play again with it, really like the search result, it's focus on 
direct sentence and not like standard in title or content, more efficient 
with your version I think.

And well done with annotate function ; maybe the tricolore panel popup is a 
bit annoying for me, when you clic without selection, but I see that it's a 
different way to annotate a full section with color in marge.

Continue this god work,
Cheers,
Sylvain

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Mohammad]

Thank you for quick reply Xavier!

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 8:32:32 PM UTC+3:30, Xavier wrote:
>
>
>  Many thanks for sharing. This valuable edition deserves to have its own 
>> announcement thread. 
>>
>
> Thank you Mohammad!
>
>> One question and two suggestions
>> Q1. Is there any tutorial for who likes write a book, for example 
>> "Applied Numerical Methods for Engineers", how he/she can do this with 
>> TW5-Ebook-powered?
>>
>
> This first experiment will hopefully show that a modern browser is enough 
> to read any ePub more easily as with current ePub reading apps. Also to 
> convince a few bookstores that TW5 html files can be sold as easily as 
> ePubs or PDFs. But the next step may indeed be to explore native books, in 
> order to get the most of TiddlyWiki. 
>
> Are you saying that the UI elements that we introduced (annotations, 
> comments, scroll indicators, ehanced search) are compelling enough for an 
> author to write a book rather than a wiki with TW5? If so, it means that we 
> should indeed consider it as the basis of a future authoring framework 
> rather than a smart container, and at least document what plugins are 
> needed, and how to use them!
>

I assumed there may be hidden elements not introduced here! But it seems 
TW5-Powered ebook is the Reader! I think TW5 can be used for authoring. I 
see people write books in MsWord. I think TW5 has tools to acts more then 
MsWord, but as your Reader edition, it needs customized elements to be able 
to author a book.

One important think not specific to this case is: how to use a tool? Many 
people (including me) don't know how TW5 can be used for example for 
creating a software tutorial. TW5 in my opinion is quite wild (unleashed) 
and one needs to be trained to use it effectively and productively for a 
special purpose. 

For publishing, like other companies (for example Wily has a set of Latex 
templates for authoring books: everything is set, instruction for every 
item has been given,...), you need then to have such templates in TW5 if 
TW5 is going to be used for authoring book.
 

>
> Your question leads to an almost philosophic one: what elements should we 
> keep to call such or such document a *book* (that is, a lengthy 
> structured content that is easy to write, easy to read, easy to store, and 
> easy to sell)? I'd say we need one or more natural reading flows, a cover, 
> one or more author names, a price, and that's it! Helping authors to design 
> such reading flows is a very compelling goal for this framework-wannabe!
>
> S1. A theme (here I mean just color palette) switch like night/day mode 
>> could be an advantage
>>
>
> Have a look at the Options tab in the sidebar :-)
>

Yep, I did not see that! :-)
 

> S2. Choose a name for this amazing tool/edition
>>
>
> The hardest part!
>

I also recommend to have a small slideshow, videclip, ... to teach how to 
use TW5 Powered ebook. 

>
> Cheers,
> Xavier.
>

Thank you again
Mohammad 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

>  Many thanks for sharing. This valuable edition deserves to have its own
> announcement thread.
>

Thank you Mohammad!

> One question and two suggestions
> Q1. Is there any tutorial for who likes write a book, for example "Applied
> Numerical Methods for Engineers", how he/she can do this with
> TW5-Ebook-powered?
>

This first experiment will hopefully show that a modern browser is enough
to read any ePub more easily as with current ePub reading apps. Also to
convince a few bookstores that TW5 html files can be sold as easily as
ePubs or PDFs. But the next step may indeed be to explore native books, in
order to get the most of TiddlyWiki.

Are you saying that the UI elements that we introduced (annotations,
comments, scroll indicators, ehanced search) are compelling enough for an
author to write a book rather than a wiki with TW5? If so, it means that we
should indeed consider it as the basis of a future authoring framework
rather than a smart container, and at least document what plugins are
needed, and how to use them!

Your question leads to an almost philosophic one: what elements should we
keep to call such or such document a *book* (that is, a lengthy structured
content that is easy to write, easy to read, easy to store, and easy to
sell)? I'd say we need one or more natural reading flows, a cover, one or
more author names, a price, and that's it! Helping authors to design such
reading flows is a very compelling goal for this framework-wannabe!

S1. A theme (here I mean just color palette) switch like night/day mode
> could be an advantage
>

Have a look at the Options tab in the sidebar :-)

> S2. Choose a name for this amazing tool/edition
>

The hardest part!

Cheers,
Xavier.

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Mohammad]

Xavier,
 Many thanks for sharing. This valuable edition deserves to have its own 
announcement thread. 

One question and two suggestions
Q1. Is there any tutorial for who likes write a book, for example "Applied 
Numerical Methods for Engineers", how he/she can do this with 
TW5-Ebook-powered?

S1. A theme (here I man just color palette) switch like night/day mode 
could be an advantage
S2. Choose a name for this amazing tool/edition

--Mohammad


On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 2:03:57 PM UTC+3:30, Xavier Cazin wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in the 

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Mat]

>
> Hm, you mean that you have to manually change the bookstore language to EN 
> in order to get Read an Extract?
>

No, it was only that button.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Mat!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:31 PM Mat  wrote:

> Xavier Cazin wrote:
>>
>>
>> TL;DR: Go to ... click on "Read an extract"
>>
>> [image: tabort.png]
>
> (just cliarifying, to make sure you don't get the two sites mixed up which
> almost happened to me)
>

Hm, you mean that you have to manually change the bookstore language to EN
in order to get Read an Extract? It is expected to follow your browser
preferences, defaulting to EN if not FR, DE, ES or PT...

> Xavier - this looks terrifique! Great simplified interface. Slick!
>
> From where or How did you get that indicator for current tiddler in
> sidebar?
>

Maybe JD can answer this! The scroll indicator is a smart use of the new
dynaview plugin, but I'm not sure I can explain the details.

Best,
Xavier.

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Mat]

Xavier Cazin wrote:
>
>
> TL;DR: Go to ... click on "Read an extract" 
>
>
[image: tabort.png]

(just cliarifying, to make sure you don't get the two sites mixed up which 
almost happened to me)

Xavier - this looks terrifique! Great simplified interface. Slick!

>From where or How did you get that indicator for current tiddler in sidebar?

<:-)


and play with it. Then come back if you'd like to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple 
>converted books can be hosted in a single TW5 file, but also one can 
>override book content without fear, since the original shadow tiddlers 
>could be retrieved at any time. Note that the HTML parsing is not yet 
>complete, as we'd like to be able to parse 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi everyone,

Thank you Mohammad, Julio and Sylvain for your early reactions. Sylvain
made me realise that I posted this inside a previous thread by HC! I'll
repost it separately (sorry in advance for the inconvenience).

-- Xavier


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM Xavier Cazin  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years,
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *.
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF
> books).
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or at
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's
>famous piece on piracy
>
> 
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending to
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course!
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests.
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5:
>the dynaview plugin
>
> 
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read
>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple
>converted books can be hosted in a single TW5 file, but also one can
>override book content without fear, since the original shadow tiddlers
>could be retrieved at any time. Note that the HTML parsing is not yet
>complete, as we'd like 

[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Julio Peña]

Hello there,

Oh wow Xavier, will definitely bookmark to go through this more 
attentively and at my leisure.

On first quick impressions...great job! :)

Best wishes,
Julio


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[tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Mohammad]

Hi Xavier,
 This is really impressive. I am just playing with the tool and I am very 
delighted to see Tiddlywiki in action in real world and more specific in 
publishing industry.

Congratulation for this great piece of work and many thanks for sharing.

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 8:49:11 PM UTC+3:30, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> TL;DR: Go to 
> https://www.7switch.com/fr/ebook/9783962558772/great-expectations-serapis-classics,
>  
> click on "Read an extract" and play with it. Then come back if you'd like 
> to know more.
>
> I have been working in the publishing industry for the past 25 years, 
> including the last 10 years as the co-founder of a French ebook 
> distribution company, *immatériel.fr *. 
> Among many things that got me frustrated in the course of selling ebooks is 
> the fact that ebook formats have never been in phase with how we have 
> linked ourselves to knowledge in the two last decades.
>
> The main reason for this particular failure is because ePub and Mobipocket 
> were initially (around 2010) imposed to publishers by Apple and Amazon 
> respectively, and became soon the only digital formats that publishers 
> could sell to the main vendors (actually, Google Play Books also sells PDF 
> books). 
>
> While there are other reasons to rant about the current state of the ebook 
> market, I gave some thought about what could be a likeable modern format 
> for eBooks, and as you guessed, TiddlyWiki checked all the boxes:
>
>1. the book should be easy to open: the reading app could be the same 
>browser that you used to buy the book, whether you are on your mobile or 
> at 
>your desktop;
>2. it should be readable both offline or online;
>3. it should open at the same place where you stopped reading last 
>time;
>4. typesetting should be as beautiful and complex as a website can be;
>5. content should be truly multimedia, including live content from 
>anywhere on the network. Audio books should be a mere byproduct of this 
>feature;
>6. authors should be allowed to multiply standpoints on its content;
>7. readers should be able to reorganise the initial content, and also 
>write above and around it;
>8. for the paranoids out there or those who missed Tim O'Reilly's 
>famous piece on piracy 
>
> 
>  
>back in the days, book content should be easy to encrypt. Ebooks lending 
> to 
>libraries might actually be a good use case.
>
> So we at *immatériel.fr * considered that 
> this territory was worth exploring and we dedicated our 2019 R efforts 
> into building a TW5 alternative format for customers who were regularly 
> buying ePubs at our experimental bookstore *7switch.com 
> *. We had to move forward on two fronts in parallel:
>
>- Converting our full catalog of 80K ePubs from more than 1000 (mostly 
>French) publishers into TW5
>- Figuring a way to display books in an homogeneous way, yet familiar 
>enough for both people reading content on the Web and people used to ePub 
>reading apps, while showing off their new TiddlyWiki nature.
>
> So I asked *Jeremy* if he'd welcome a sponsoring for such a project 
> through his company *Federatial* and, to my awe, he said yes of course! 
> Parallely, since I wasn't sure of how we should render the typical book 
> elements nor the typical features of an ebook reading app in a TW5 
> interface, I asked *JD*, one of our gifted community contributors to TW5 
> user interfaces, for ideas and preliminary tests. 
>
> Soon enough, the three of us had regular meetings, that eventually led to 
> a *preliminary release* of several great open source products that are 
> now embedded into every non-DRM books and extracts that you'll find at the 
> *7switch* ebookstore:
>
>1. The first one is already included in the current prerelease of TW5: 
>the dynaview plugin 
>
>  
>allows content to come into view dynamically in response to familiar 
>gestures like scrolling.
>2. Next comes the *dynannotate* plugin, which will soon make its way 
>to 5.1.22, and is already included in books and extracts that you can find 
>on *7switch*. With it, you can annotate content in a various number of 
>ways.
>3. Then you'll find the *ePub-slicer* plugin, a tool to convert any 
>ePub file into a plugin that essentially contains a list of small content 
>chunks (aka tiddlers!) which can be revealed during the scroll as you read 
>the book in the browser. Thanks to their plugin nature, not only multiple 
>converted books can be hosted in a single TW5 file, but also one can 
>override book content without fear, since the