[tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-20 Thread TonyM
Lost admin,

Good question, with lots of answers. I am evaluating, rather than saying 
repl.it is it.

Part of security is integrity, hence Bobs multi-access may be one part. 
Requiring a separate login to access the wiki another, along with https:

Performance is also part of it.

I can host my own node.js instance on my hosting platform, but yet to try 
and leverage the new login features. I would like to see a 2 factor to even 
access a node host by not sure yet how to do this.

I think repl.it is more likely to be a playground but we could have a local 
version just for node JS, and SDK command line, execute and debug.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, 20 December 2018 01:43:48 UTC+11, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I am curious: what do you consider to be sufficient to qualify as a 
> "secure personal wiki host"?
>
> https (I assume is obvious),
> Actual host-based authentication (I would also assume is obvious).
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:07:46 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
>> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 
>>
>> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 
>>
>> XMLHttpRequest  error 
>> code: 404
>>
>>
>> Then every time I open a tiddler
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 
>>
>> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
>> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>>  error code: 404
>>
>>
>> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
>> created today.
>>
>>
>> Anyway,
>>
>>
>> I will post about what I learn.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>>
>>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of 
>>> many programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including 
>>> javascript + nodejs.
>>>
>>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>>> automatically get its own web address.
>>>
>>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>>
>>> If you click on the fork button at 
>>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own 
>>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler 
>>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of 
>>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch 
>>> and for the npm package to install.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-19 Thread Lost Admin
I am curious: what do you consider to be sufficient to qualify as a "secure 
personal wiki host"?

https (I assume is obvious),
Actual host-based authentication (I would also assume is obvious).


On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:07:46 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 
>
> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 
>
> XMLHttpRequest  error 
> code: 404
>
>
> Then every time I open a tiddler
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 
>
> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>  error code: 404
>
>
> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
> created today.
>
>
> Anyway,
>
>
> I will post about what I learn.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many 
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript + 
>> nodejs.
>>
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>> automatically get its own web address.
>>
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>
>> If you click on the fork button at 
>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own 
>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler 
>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of 
>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch 
>> and for the npm package to install.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-19 Thread Lost Admin
The first bullet point indicates, to me, that your existing tiddlywiki 
files (or tiddler files) will get updated by tiddlywiki (node.js) but you 
won't see those changes unless you stop and start your instance.

The 3rd line similarly would allow new tiddler files to be created by 
node.js but would not let you see them until you restarted the instance.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 7:07:08 AM UTC-5, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> From https://repl.it/site/docs/repls/files:
>
> While you can programmatically create files in project mode, there are a 
> few caveats:
>
>
>- *When you change a file through your program, those changes will not 
>   be reflected until the repl stops running*
>   - Directories/folders cannot be programmatically generated or 
>   removed
>   - Files cannot be deleted or renamed programmatically (but it can 
>   be done manually from the file tree )
>
> Maybe what you are experiencing it related to the above restrictions. I 
> don't quite understand those restrictions, because the way I read it, it 
> doesn't seem like TW should work at all. Maybe you could try restarting 
> your repl (hit the run button).
>
> If that doesn't work, then I suggest seeing what urls your browser is 
> requesting and see if that gives any clues.
>
> Repl.it is not open source.
>
> Was there some restriction on storage for a free account which forced you 
> into a paid plan?
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:07 AM TonyM > 
> wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
>> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 
>>
>> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 
>>
>> XMLHttpRequest  error 
>> code: 404
>>
>>
>> Then every time I open a tiddler
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 
>>
>> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
>> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>>  error code: 404
>>
>>
>> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
>> created today.
>>
>>
>> Anyway,
>>
>>
>> I will post about what I learn.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>>
>>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of 
>>> many programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including 
>>> javascript + nodejs.
>>>
>>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>>> automatically get its own web address.
>>>
>>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>>
>>> If you click on the fork button at 
>>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own 
>>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler 
>>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of 
>>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch 
>>> and for the npm package to install.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
Brian,

Thanks, I will keep learning to see how far this goes, I purchased the 
hacker plan for a more detailed understanding of capabilities, specifically 
the ability to have a private repl to see if this is a viable host, and to 
get a maximum file size greater than 2MB.

I am hoping to teach tiddlywiki at the local community college and 
wondering about the student features along with using it to host my 
personal wiki securely. At around $10 Australian a month, I can backout if 
its not helpful enough. I will now also look at Glitch. 

This page provides details of the plans https://repl.it/site/pricing

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 11:07:08 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> From https://repl.it/site/docs/repls/files:
>
> While you can programmatically create files in project mode, there are a 
> few caveats:
>
>
>- When you change a file through your program, those changes will not 
>   be reflected until the repl stops running
>   - Directories/folders cannot be programmatically generated or 
>   removed
>   - Files cannot be deleted or renamed programmatically (but it can 
>   be done manually from the file tree )
>
> Maybe what you are experiencing it related to the above restrictions. I 
> don't quite understand those restrictions, because the way I read it, it 
> doesn't seem like TW should work at all. Maybe you could try restarting 
> your repl (hit the run button).
>
> If that doesn't work, then I suggest seeing what urls your browser is 
> requesting and see if that gives any clues.
>
> Repl.it is not open source.
>
> Was there some restriction on storage for a free account which forced you 
> into a paid plan?
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:07 AM TonyM > 
> wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
>> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 
>>
>> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 
>>
>> XMLHttpRequest  error 
>> code: 404
>>
>>
>> Then every time I open a tiddler
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 
>>
>> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
>> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>>  error code: 404
>>
>>
>> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
>> created today.
>>
>>
>> Anyway,
>>
>>
>> I will post about what I learn.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>>
>>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of 
>>> many programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including 
>>> javascript + nodejs.
>>>
>>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>>> automatically get its own web address.
>>>
>>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>>
>>> If you click on the fork button at 
>>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own 
>>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler 
>>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of 
>>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch 
>>> and for the npm package to install.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread Brian Theado
Thanks, Jeremy. I have also heard of glitch and thought the same thing is
probably also possible there. Good to know you have already done it. I was
trying to understand the repl.it features and I thought setting up TW would
help me with that and it did!

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:43 AM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Thanks Brian, https://repl.it/ is new to me and pretty cool.
>
> Another similar service is Glitch. They offer a Node.js IDE that's easy to
> use and very full featured. I made this some time ago, but haven't updated
> it in a while:
>
> https://glitch.com/~tiddlywiki-for-glitch
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 18 Dec 2018, at 06:20, TonyM  wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Thanks for sharing, that sounds and Looks really interesting. It looks
> like a great piece of infrastructure for TiddlyWiki as a service if it can
> be sufficiently secured.
>
> Do share more about what you understand about this, is the repl.it
> service open source? etc... I wonder how bob or TiddlyServer would fair on
> this platform.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript +
>> nodejs.
>>
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will
>> automatically get its own web address.
>>
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki
>> 
>> which includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got
>> the web address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>
>> If you click on the fork button at
>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own
>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler
>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of
>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch
>> and for the npm package to install.
>>
>> Brian
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread Brian Theado
Tony,

>From https://repl.it/site/docs/repls/files:

While you can programmatically create files in project mode, there are a
few caveats:


   - When you change a file through your program, those changes will not be
  reflected until the repl stops running
  - Directories/folders cannot be programmatically generated or removed
  - Files cannot be deleted or renamed programmatically (but it can be
  done manually from the file tree )

Maybe what you are experiencing it related to the above restrictions. I
don't quite understand those restrictions, because the way I read it, it
doesn't seem like TW should work at all. Maybe you could try restarting
your repl (hit the run button).

If that doesn't work, then I suggest seeing what urls your browser is
requesting and see if that gives any clues.

Repl.it is not open source.

Was there some restriction on storage for a free account which forced you
into a paid plan?

Brian


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:07 AM TonyM  wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb
> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host.
>
> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018
>
> XMLHttpRequest  error
> code: 404
>
>
> Then every time I open a tiddler
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018
>
> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList
> ': XMLHttpRequest
>  error code: 404
>
>
> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all
> created today.
>
>
> Anyway,
>
>
> I will post about what I learn.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript +
>> nodejs.
>>
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will
>> automatically get its own web address.
>>
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which
>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web
>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>
>> If you click on the fork button at
>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own
>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler
>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of
>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch
>> and for the npm package to install.
>>
>> Brian
>>
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[tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
Brian,

I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 

It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
 syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 

XMLHttpRequest  error 
code: 404


Then every time I open a tiddler
 syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 

Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
': XMLHttpRequest 
 error code: 404


And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
created today.


Anyway,


I will post about what I learn.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many 
> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript + 
> nodejs.
>
> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
> automatically get its own web address.
>
> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>
> If you click on the fork button at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, 
> then you will get your own instance of the project. You will get your own 
> url and your own tiddler storage.  You can use it to play around and learn 
> the nodejs side of TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked 
> instance to launch and for the npm package to install.
>
> Brian
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Thanks Brian, https://repl.it/ is new to me and pretty cool.

Another similar service is Glitch. They offer a Node.js IDE that's easy to use 
and very full featured. I made this some time ago, but haven't updated it in a 
while:

https://glitch.com/~tiddlywiki-for-glitch

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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> On 18 Dec 2018, at 06:20, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> Thanks for sharing, that sounds and Looks really interesting. It looks like a 
> great piece of infrastructure for TiddlyWiki as a service if it can be 
> sufficiently secured.
> 
> Do share more about what you understand about this, is the repl.it service 
> open source? etc... I wonder how bob or TiddlyServer would fair on this 
> platform.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many 
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript + 
>> nodejs.
>> 
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>> automatically get its own web address.
>> 
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>> 
>> If you click on the fork button at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, 
>> then you will get your own instance of the project. You will get your own 
>> url and your own tiddler storage.  You can use it to play around and learn 
>> the nodejs side of TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked 
>> instance to launch and for the npm package to install.
>> 
>> Brian
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[tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-17 Thread TonyM
Brian,

Thanks for sharing, that sounds and Looks really interesting. It looks like 
a great piece of infrastructure for TiddlyWiki as a service if it can be 
sufficiently secured.

Do share more about what you understand about this, is the repl.it service 
open source? etc... I wonder how bob or TiddlyServer would fair on this 
platform.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many 
> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript + 
> nodejs.
>
> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
> automatically get its own web address.
>
> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki 
> 
>  
> which includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got 
> the web address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>
> If you click on the fork button at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, 
> then you will get your own instance of the project. You will get your own 
> url and your own tiddler storage.  You can use it to play around and learn 
> the nodejs side of TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked 
> instance to launch and for the npm package to install.
>
> Brian
>

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