[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

My thoughts exactly. Especially if you could collect basic analytics with 
it to judge uptake of your work (just thinking out loud).

Thanks for your valuable input!

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 9:26:32 PM UTC+3, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> Abraham:
>
> My evaluation of how Maarfapad meets my particular needs is proceeding 
> quite well and is certainly encouraging.  As a result, I can already see 
> that a  "... public with a single click ..." option would make this an 
> attractive hosting option I would use.
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:23:57 AM UTC-4, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guille,
>> ...
>>
>  
>
>> I am infact considering giving users the ability to make hosted wikis 
>> public with a single click, but I it still is a work in progress. We'll 
>> see. Thanks for your inputs.
>>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[HansWobbe]

Abraham:

My evaluation of how Maarfapad meets my particular needs is proceeding 
quite well and is certainly encouraging.  As a result, I can already see 
that a  "... public with a single click ..." option would make this an 
attractive hosting option I would use.

Regards,
Hans


On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:23:57 AM UTC-4, Abraham Samma wrote:
>
> Hi Guille,
> ...
>
 

> I am infact considering giving users the ability to make hosted wikis 
> public with a single click, but I it still is a work in progress. We'll 
> see. Thanks for your inputs.
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Guille,

Thanks for the encouraging response. Encryption of content in Maarfapad is 
guaranteed by TW's built-in encryption tool (fyi I've already had atleast 
one user complain about forgetting their password to their TW. I could only 
sympathize :-( but atleast got a takeaway of TW's security) and only you 
can decrypt them. Saved wikis with password act as a second layer of 
authentication for your account's wikis.

The password for your account is hashed and salted before it is saved to 
Maarfapad during sign up, so they're useless in someone else's hands. HTTPS 
is guaranteed too unless you add third party image attachments or links in 
your wiki.

I am infact considering giving users the ability to make hosted wikis 
public with a single click, but I it still is a work in progress. We'll 
see. Thanks for your inputs.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:58:23 AM UTC+3, Guille Rmo wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham. To me one of the most important issues when thinking to host 
> my notes in someone else's server is security and privacy. Do you encrypt 
> data on your servers? It is one of the things I have thought I'd like to 
> contribute, but I think it would require way more knowledge about how 
> tiddlywiki works in the backend and when it loads user tiddlers. I think it 
> should be encrypted in the backend and it should only be decrypted on the 
> client side. Of course this introduces the risk of losing your data if you 
> can't remember your password. But for me that risk is better than trusting 
> my personal notes to someone else.
>
> You could also host public TWs that act as blog websites. So you can edit 
> the TW and then publish a TW with no edit capabilities and a simple 
> template.
>
> Anyway, just to mention a couple of ideas I have had about TW. 
> Congratulations on maarfapad. I think hosting TW is a great business option 
> and I hope you succeed at it. 
>   
> Regards,
> Guillermo.
>
> El sábado, 15 de septiembre de 2018, 7:10:33 (UTC-6), Abraham Samma 
> escribió:
>>
>> Hello all ,
>>
>> Thank you all who have taken time to try out or use Maarfapad 
>> , a private hosting service for your 
>> wikis. 
>>
>> I am now looking forward to improving the service in anticipation of v1.0 
>> release. There are a lot of stuff I find interesting but they're currently 
>> partially implemented or not at all. Such as:
>>
>>
>>1. Automatic backup to local folder option (without the need for an 
>>extension) when offline or after a failed save to the online service. 
>>Currently Maarfapad saves to the browser local cache via a service worker 
>>after every save. This option can currently be switched off if you want 
>> to 
>>use another saving method.
>>2. A social sharing mechanism. A lot of you want this "feature" 
>>though I still am not exactly sure what you all want in this regard. 
>>Perhaps something along the lines of a "Slideshare" like site for 
>>TiddlyWiki. Or may be a WordPress like service (*WikiPress *)?
>>3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be 
>>able to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I 
>>could extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see 
>> online 
>>to your account.
>>
>> Feel free to air your opinions. I will consider them all.
>>
>> Thank you all again. Bookmark Maarfapad's Blog 
>>  if you want to 
>> keep track of project updates.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

I am afraid nodejs solutions won't apply to Maarfapad so you can't install 
Bob server. However, I'll take this as a personal challenge to come up with 
something compatible to Bob server. It shouldn't be too hard (as I proceed 
to prove myself wrong (>_<) ).

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 11:04:45 PM UTC+3, Mat wrote:
>
> Let me emphasize something here though: while I could implement a lot of 
>> stuff in the backend, I'd like to limit that in the name of transparency 
>> (and reducing technical debt) and instead encourage these implementations 
>> using client logic.
>>
>
> I get your point but just so no misunderstanding; it is not possible to 
> achieve the "connected wikis" by only doing things on the client TW side. 
> Or, are people allowed to install, say, the Bob server on Maarfapad, I.e a 
> nodejs solution beyond the TW?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Guille Rmo]

Hi Abraham. To me one of the most important issues when thinking to host my 
notes in someone else's server is security and privacy. Do you encrypt data 
on your servers? It is one of the things I have thought I'd like to 
contribute, but I think it would require way more knowledge about how 
tiddlywiki works in the backend and when it loads user tiddlers. I think it 
should be encrypted in the backend and it should only be decrypted on the 
client side. Of course this introduces the risk of losing your data if you 
can't remember your password. But for me that risk is better than trusting 
my personal notes to someone else.

You could also host public TWs that act as blog websites. So you can edit 
the TW and then publish a TW with no edit capabilities and a simple 
template.

Anyway, just to mention a couple of ideas I have had about TW. 
Congratulations on maarfapad. I think hosting TW is a great business option 
and I hope you succeed at it. 
  
Regards,
Guillermo.

El sábado, 15 de septiembre de 2018, 7:10:33 (UTC-6), Abraham Samma 
escribió:
>
> Hello all ,
>
> Thank you all who have taken time to try out or use Maarfapad 
> , a private hosting service for your wikis. 
> 
>
> I am now looking forward to improving the service in anticipation of v1.0 
> release. There are a lot of stuff I find interesting but they're currently 
> partially implemented or not at all. Such as:
>
>
>1. Automatic backup to local folder option (without the need for an 
>extension) when offline or after a failed save to the online service. 
>Currently Maarfapad saves to the browser local cache via a service worker 
>after every save. This option can currently be switched off if you want to 
>use another saving method.
>2. A social sharing mechanism. A lot of you want this "feature" though 
>I still am not exactly sure what you all want in this regard. Perhaps 
>something along the lines of a "Slideshare" like site for TiddlyWiki. Or 
>may be a WordPress like service (*WikiPress *)?
>3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be 
>able to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I 
>could extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see 
> online 
>to your account.
>
> Feel free to air your opinions. I will consider them all.
>
> Thank you all again. Bookmark Maarfapad's Blog 
>  if you want to 
> keep track of project updates.
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Mat]

>
> Let me emphasize something here though: while I could implement a lot of 
> stuff in the backend, I'd like to limit that in the name of transparency 
> (and reducing technical debt) and instead encourage these implementations 
> using client logic.
>

I get your point but just so no misunderstanding; it is not possible to 
achieve the "connected wikis" by only doing things on the client TW side. 
Or, are people allowed to install, say, the Bob server on Maarfapad, I.e a 
nodejs solution beyond the TW?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

Hello Mat,

I think it would be much easier to just create a useful TWederBob edition 
(and by "edition" I mean a full file TW flavoured with specific plugins for 
a specific function e.g. A blog wiki edition for content management and 
external publishing) that you could just create and use at any time. Makes 
things easier on my end!

Let me emphasize something here though: while I could implement a lot of 
stuff in the backend, I'd like to limit that in the name of transparency 
(and reducing technical debt) and instead encourage these implementations 
using client logic.

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 6:42:42 PM UTC+3, Mat wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham
>
> I don't know what your rights are on the server, but it would be fantastic 
> if it allowed for communication between wikis... i.e TWederation... i.e to 
> use Jeds Bob server which is a fully functioning technology now that just 
> needs better UI (something I'm working on) but also other users with 
> servers. If you have a service that both is a Bob server AND lets people 
> create public wikis... well then that will be fantastic. 
> ...For those who were around in the TiddlySpace days (not to be confused 
> with TiddlySpot) this would allow somewhat similar functionality but so 
> much more and also connections outside of the central server.
>
> If you are not really in control of the server, then it would still be 
> super if the TWs could have TWederBob plugin preinstalled. This enables 
> fetching of tiddlers from Bob servers. 
>
> 3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be able 
>> to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I could 
>> extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see online to 
>> your account.
>>
>
> You mean to effectively make a copy of a full TW, right? or do you mean 
> its possible to add specific tiddlers, say plugins, from other TWs? (Which, 
> incidentally, is exactly what TWederBob is for)
>
> <:-)
>
>
> I am now looking forward to improving the service in anticipation of v1.0 
>> release. There are a lot of stuff I find interesting but they're currently 
>> partially implemented or not at all. Such as:
>>
>>
>>1. Automatic backup to local folder option (without the need for an 
>>extension) when offline or after a failed save to the online service. 
>>Currently Maarfapad saves to the browser local cache via a service worker 
>>after every save. This option can currently be switched off if you want 
>> to 
>>use another saving method.
>>2. A social sharing mechanism. A lot of you want this "feature" 
>>though I still am not exactly sure what you all want in this regard. 
>>Perhaps something along the lines of a "Slideshare" like site for 
>>TiddlyWiki. Or may be a WordPress like service (*WikiPress *)?
>>3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be 
>>able to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I 
>>could extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see 
>> online 
>>to your account.
>>
>> Feel free to air your opinions. I will consider them all.
>>
>> Thank you all again. Bookmark Maarfapad's Blog 
>>  if you want to 
>> keep track of project updates.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Mat]

Hi Abraham

I don't know what your rights are on the server, but it would be fantastic 
if it allowed for communication between wikis... i.e TWederation... i.e to 
use Jeds Bob server which is a fully functioning technology now that just 
needs better UI (something I'm working on) but also other users with 
servers. If you have a service that both is a Bob server AND lets people 
create public wikis... well then that will be fantastic. 
...For those who were around in the TiddlySpace days (not to be confused 
with TiddlySpot) this would allow somewhat similar functionality but so 
much more and also connections outside of the central server.

If you are not really in control of the server, then it would still be 
super if the TWs could have TWederBob plugin preinstalled. This enables 
fetching of tiddlers from Bob servers. 

3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be able 
> to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I could 
> extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see online to 
> your account.
>

You mean to effectively make a copy of a full TW, right? or do you mean its 
possible to add specific tiddlers, say plugins, from other TWs? (Which, 
incidentally, is exactly what TWederBob is for)

<:-)


I am now looking forward to improving the service in anticipation of v1.0 
> release. There are a lot of stuff I find interesting but they're currently 
> partially implemented or not at all. Such as:
>
>
>1. Automatic backup to local folder option (without the need for an 
>extension) when offline or after a failed save to the online service. 
>Currently Maarfapad saves to the browser local cache via a service worker 
>after every save. This option can currently be switched off if you want to 
>use another saving method.
>2. A social sharing mechanism. A lot of you want this "feature" though 
>I still am not exactly sure what you all want in this regard. Perhaps 
>something along the lines of a "Slideshare" like site for TiddlyWiki. Or 
>may be a WordPress like service (*WikiPress *)?
>3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be 
>able to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I 
>could extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see 
> online 
>to your account.
>
> Feel free to air your opinions. I will consider them all.
>
> Thank you all again. Bookmark Maarfapad's Blog 
>  if you want to 
> keep track of project updates.
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

Interesting suggestions Josiah. Particularly "B". Will be considered.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 10:27:28 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Abraham
>
> A -- Let me post to Twitter from it. I can send you code for the tool. 
> Network posting built in I think would be an attraction.
>
> B -- One thing nothing else is doing is "notifications". Say I gave a 
> student rights to edit a TW, how could they notify me they were done from 
> the TW?
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Abraham

A -- Let me post to Twitter from it. I can send you code for the tool. 
Network posting built in I think would be an attraction.

B -- One thing nothing else is doing is "notifications". Say I gave a 
student rights to edit a TW, how could they notify me they were done from 
the TW?

Just thoughts
Josiah

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