[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[@TiddlyTweeter]

zemoxian wrote:
>
> Nested numbering could probably be done easiest using CSS. 
>
> I suppose you could set a variable that each child inherits along with 
> computing it’s position in its parent’s list. A little more complex, I 
> think than the CSS version. However, it might facilitate some interlinking 
> that might go on. Like if you referred to a numbered section, you might 
> want that number included in the link text, rather than just the tiddler’s 
> title. Not sure that’s doable with CSS. 


Footnote on CSS numbering. I know from some experiments on other things 
that CSS numbering, though it looks beautiful, I don't think ever arrives 
in the DOM thing? I discovered this by doing some visually nice numbering 
I'd hoped to just cut-n-paste from screen--and quickly discovered that the 
cut kept everything EXCEPT the CSS generated numbers. 

Just a comment
TT 

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[zemoxian]

Nested numbering could probably be done easiest using CSS. 

I suppose you could set a variable that each child inherits along with 
computing it’s position in its parent’s list. A little more complex, I think 
than the CSS version. However, it might facilitate some interlinking that might 
go on. Like if you referred to a numbered section, you might want that number 
included in the link text, rather than just the tiddler’s title. Not sure 
that’s doable with CSS. 

After that, I think you’re into JavaScript territory. I try to avoid that, but 
I do most of my stuff on my phone these days. 

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Evan

Further to last. 

Since this tool supports complex nested sectioning I was wondering two 
things ...

1 --  wondering if auto-numbering might have an option to *add number at 
start, *not end ... 
e.g. something like ... 

* 1  -- Title*

*1.1 -- Title*
* 2 -- Title*
 
2 -- I noticed that more complex nested sectioning (*i.e. below 1.1 to 
1.1.1 *) seems not directly supported 
  I'm wondering whether that could be possible?

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Evan

Very good tool! Great for writing. 

My initial feedback concerns cosmetics.

Whilst *"$:/plugins/ebalster/sections -> Settings"* has a setting *("Enable 
Filter") *that lets you switch-off the sectioning in view mode, but then 
you loose all the connections ...

... maybe an option for *View Mode *that hides* (1) the buttons (2) 
indentation (3) boxes etc... *
In other words, that the result in View Mode would look the the same as it 
would be with normal manually entered transclusions. 
The advantage would be sectioned editing, yet normal viewing.

Hope that is clear.

Best wishes & Tx!
Josiah

  
Evan Balster wrote:
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> ... Version 0.0.2
>

> ... Feedback is invited.
>
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-11-10 at 3.47.14 PM.png]
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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[Ste Wilson]

EVAN! just used your formula plug in! It's awesome. :)

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[Joshua Fontany]

Welcome back!

This looks well designed, clean, and very useful. Mahalo (thanks!).

Best,
Josh F

On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 4:46:29 PM UTC-8, Evan Balster wrote:
>
> Hello, all —
>
> I'm making a plugin to enable authoring tiddlers by sections in my wiki, 
> and knowing that many other users have been interested in this 
> functionality I'm sharing my prototype.  My goal was to make a long-form 
> journaling workflow that adheres to the Philosophy of Tiddlers 
> .
>
> Sections appear below the tiddler body in both the edit and view 
> interfaces, beginning with a small "add section" button in the edit 
> interface.  Sections are tiddlers, named after the containing tiddler with 
> a customizable suffix such as #1 or #13.4 (see plugin settings).  A single 
> level of sub-sectons is supported.  New sections or subsections can be 
> added when editing the parent tiddler, and edited at any time.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-11-03 at 4.29.09 PM.png]
>
>
> Completed sections are designed to be clean and unobtrusive:
>
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-11-03 at 4.38.20 PM.png]
>
>
> This is just a prototype, so it's feature-sparse and is not necessarily 
> bug-free.  But I've been using it happily for a few weeks.  My most recent 
> change was to imitate TiddlyWiki's draft mechanism in order to properly 
> support cancelable edits.  I invite feedback as I continue tinkering with 
> this.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Evan

Very interesting approach. I strongly believe that more "in context" 
creation and editing in TW would better support the "Philosophy of 
Tiddlers". At the moment the dominant work process in TW is ...

*Fragments  -> Whole*


... but with your approach one also gets closer to integrated ...

*Whole -> Fragments*


Semantically humans do both and switch cognitively easily between them.

Having methods of Tiddler auto-creation in context, without segway, is a 
great step to a better relationship to fragments.

There have been some other more recent initiatives along same lines. 
When I get time I'll write a post about them.

Best wishes
TT

Evan Balster wrote:
>
> I'm making a plugin to enable authoring tiddlers by sections in my wiki, 
> and knowing that many other users have been interested in this 
> functionality I'm sharing my prototype.  My goal was to make a long-form 
> journaling workflow that adheres to the Philosophy of Tiddlers 
> .
>

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[TonyM]

Evan

Great to see you here. Your edit by sections work is I think at the edge of 
current user requirements. Its not rocket science but it needs to be easy to 
use, as you seem to be achieving. Good work.

In a similar vein I have being developing mechanisiums for what I have being 
calling "compound tiddlers". To cut a long story short key observations of my 
research suggest issuing a unique serial number to any compound tiddler then 
using this in a prefix when creating subtiddler or section tiddlers in your 
example. This allows a new namespace for each tiddler under which to store 
subtiddlers and permits the renaming of the parent or compound tiddler.

Later I plan to allow sections to be included from other compound tiddlers that 
act as instructions to the development of the current compound tiddler.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[Diego Mesa]

Evan! 

Welcome back! This looks great! It reminds me of the following issues that 
have been in my mind for some time

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1947#issuecomment-261960097
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3308

I would love to get your thoughts on them, as well as how youre thinking is 
similar/differs from them!

Best,
Diego


On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 6:46:29 PM UTC-6, Evan Balster wrote:
>
> Hello, all —
>
> I'm making a plugin to enable authoring tiddlers by sections in my wiki, 
> and knowing that many other users have been interested in this 
> functionality I'm sharing my prototype.  My goal was to make a long-form 
> journaling workflow that adheres to the Philosophy of Tiddlers 
> .
>
> Sections appear below the tiddler body in both the edit and view 
> interfaces, beginning with a small "add section" button in the edit 
> interface.  Sections are tiddlers, named after the containing tiddler with 
> a customizable suffix such as #1 or #13.4 (see plugin settings).  A single 
> level of sub-sectons is supported.  New sections or subsections can be 
> added when editing the parent tiddler, and edited at any time.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-11-03 at 4.29.09 PM.png]
>
>
> Completed sections are designed to be clean and unobtrusive:
>
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-11-03 at 4.38.20 PM.png]
>
>
> This is just a prototype, so it's feature-sparse and is not necessarily 
> bug-free.  But I've been using it happily for a few weeks.  My most recent 
> change was to imitate TiddlyWiki's draft mechanism in order to properly 
> support cancelable edits.  I invite feedback as I continue tinkering with 
> this.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Prototyping an edit-by-sections plugin

[PMario]

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 1:46:29 AM UTC+1, Evan Balster wrote:
>
> Hello, all —
>

Hi Evan, 

Long time no see! .. Nice that you are back! 

Thx for sharing!

have fun!
mario

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