[tw5] Re: Revisiting the outliner idea

2018-04-24 Thread TonyM 
David,

While working through the pre-release I saw reference to 
the https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/text-slicer/ which if the truth be told 
is a long way to establishing the out-liner technology. As others have said 
but I never understood.

I will look at in more detail in time, but it may be the first port of call.

Regards
Tony



On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 12:26:08 AM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I felt so bad for derailing a recent thread on using TW as an outliner, 
> and dousing cold water on the discussion, that I revisited the idea and 
> wanted to extend an olive branch as my way of apologizing to Tony and Vytas 
> and others there.
>
> Here is a quick idea I came up with. I made some progress, and outline 
> what would still need to be figured out: 
> http://giffmex.org/experiments/twdynaflowy.html#Progress%20and%20problems:%5B%5BProgress%20and%20problems%5D%5D%20HQ%20%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2Ftoc.children%20%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2Ftocstylesheet%20%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmacros%2Ftoc
>
> Blessings, Dave
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Revisiting the outliner idea

2018-04-24 Thread TonyM 
A key need in my view for the outliner was voiced by Vytas the original 
poster, and others subsequently. 

This is my view of the requirements.

It is basically listing the *content *of all tiddlers in the equivalent of 
a TOC structure. With or without the titles, and with or without view\edit 
icons. Allowing closure of each level in the view.

The result will be a single tiddler that looks like a finished "book", that 
can be printed, or used to locate pieces to edit.
In Edit mode the ability to insert create tiddlers as content

Its outliner quality comes from its hierarchical structure and single view.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 3:45:19 AM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> This one. I got a little overly defensive about outliners since most 
> comments in this group, that I have read, have been a little negative
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/RNqJR1s6ysk
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:39 PM, PMario  
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 4:26:08 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> I felt so bad for derailing a recent thread on using TW as an outliner, 
>>> and dousing cold water on the discussion,
>>>
>>
>> Which one? I do remember some outlining discussion, but have no link 
>> anymore. 
>>
>> Can you point me into the right direction?
>>
>> -m
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Re: [tw5] Re: Revisiting the outliner idea

2018-04-24 Thread David Gifford 
Hi Mario!

I just made some modifications to your tocP and got a step further. Here is
the result so far

http://giffmex.org/experiments/twdynaflowy.html#HQ2

Thanks again.

David Gifford
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:31 PM, PMario  wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I did create a tocP plugin some time ago: https://wikilabs.github.io/
> editions/tocP/
>
>  - It uses a "parent-field" instead of tags to create the TOC structure.
>- It also implements a "new-child-here" button, similar to your +
> buttons.
>
>  - It can use different fields to build a TOC.
>- So there can be several tocP's using the same tiddlers, but creating
> a different structure
>
>  - I also did create a tocMerge-experiment macro, that allows us to
> combine tag-based and field-based TOCs into one outline
>
> So with some work it would be possible to create a relatively flexible
> outline structure, if we would combine these functionalities.
>
> It would be also possible to show "caption" or "subtitle" field instead of
> the tiddler title, if those fields exist.
>
> An advanced possibility would be to create the structure completely
> independent of the tiddler titles. Only using fields.
>
> So renaming tiddlers would not mess with the outline structure. This would
> give us much more flexibility.
>
> Just some ideas.
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Revisiting the outliner idea

2018-04-24 Thread David Gifford 
​Wow, those are a lot of great ideas to think about and play with! Thanks
Mario!

I totally forgot I had an outlining section of my toolmap. I should also go
browse the other entries in that section...

David Gifford
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:31 PM, PMario  wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I did create a tocP plugin some time ago: https://wikilabs.github.io/
> editions/tocP/
>
>  - It uses a "parent-field" instead of tags to create the TOC structure.
>- It also implements a "new-child-here" button, similar to your +
> buttons.
>
>  - It can use different fields to build a TOC.
>- So there can be several tocP's using the same tiddlers, but creating
> a different structure
>
>  - I also did create a tocMerge-experiment macro, that allows us to
> combine tag-based and field-based TOCs into one outline
>
> So with some work it would be possible to create a relatively flexible
> outline structure, if we would combine these functionalities.
>
> It would be also possible to show "caption" or "subtitle" field instead of
> the tiddler title, if those fields exist.
>
> An advanced possibility would be to create the structure completely
> independent of the tiddler titles. Only using fields.
>
> So renaming tiddlers would not mess with the outline structure. This would
> give us much more flexibility.
>
> Just some ideas.
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Revisiting the outliner idea

2018-04-24 Thread David Gifford 
This one. I got a little overly defensive about outliners since most
comments in this group, that I have read, have been a little negative

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/RNqJR1s6ysk

David Gifford
Mexico team leader, Mexico City

*Resonate Global Mission*
*Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
resonateglobalmission.org


On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:39 PM, PMario  wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 4:26:08 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> I felt so bad for derailing a recent thread on using TW as an outliner,
>> and dousing cold water on the discussion,
>>
>
> Which one? I do remember some outlining discussion, but have no link
> anymore.
>
> Can you point me into the right direction?
>
> -m
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[tw5] Re: Revisiting the outliner idea

2018-04-24 Thread PMario 
On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 4:26:08 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I felt so bad for derailing a recent thread on using TW as an outliner, 
> and dousing cold water on the discussion,
>

Which one? I do remember some outlining discussion, but have no link 
anymore. 

Can you point me into the right direction?

-m

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[tw5] Re: Revisiting the outliner idea

2018-04-24 Thread PMario 
Hi Dave, 

I did create a tocP plugin some time ago: 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/

 - It uses a "parent-field" instead of tags to create the TOC structure. 
   - It also implements a "new-child-here" button, similar to your + 
buttons. 

 - It can use different fields to build a TOC. 
   - So there can be several tocP's using the same tiddlers, but creating a 
different structure

 - I also did create a tocMerge-experiment macro, that allows us to combine 
tag-based and field-based TOCs into one outline

So with some work it would be possible to create a relatively flexible 
outline structure, if we would combine these functionalities. 

It would be also possible to show "caption" or "subtitle" field instead of 
the tiddler title, if those fields exist. 

An advanced possibility would be to create the structure completely 
independent of the tiddler titles. Only using fields. 

So renaming tiddlers would not mess with the outline structure. This would 
give us much more flexibility. 

Just some ideas. 

have fun!
mario









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