[tw5] Re: "tabs" Macro : Tiddlers that depend on <>

[Mohamed Amin]

Thanks a lot Eric, everything is crystal clear now.

Appreciate your support


On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 10:27:21 AM UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:21:42 PM UTC-8, Mohamed Amin wrote:
>>
>> as per the last part of "tabs Macro" Documentation 
>>  , the <> will not 
>> affected by "tab macro" which is understandable.
>> My problem now is that I didn't understand how to overcome this using the 
>> "TemplateTiddler" (example in the above link )
>>
>
> There are two ways to do this:
>
> Method #1:
> In each of the "ChildNN" tiddlers, add this line at the beginning:
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
>
> Method #2:
> Create a separate tiddler (e.g., "TabsTemplate") containing
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$transclude mode="block" />
> 
> then, in your tabs macro, write:
> <$macrocall name="tabs" tabsList="Child01 Child02" template="TabsTemplate" 
> />
>
> In either method, the $tiddler widget sets the currentTiddler value within 
> the ChildNN tiddler to be the currentTab name (e.g., "Child01" or 
> "Child02").  Note that if you view a ChildNN tiddler separately (i.e., 
> outside of the tabset), then the currentTab value is undefined, and the 
> $tiddler widget does nothing, which is OK, since the currentTiddler value 
> will already correctly refer to the tiddler you are viewing.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: "tabs" Macro : Tiddlers that depend on <>

[Mohamed Amin]

Thanks a lot Eric, everything is crystal clear now.

Regards

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 10:27:21 AM UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:21:42 PM UTC-8, Mohamed Amin wrote:
>>
>> as per the last part of "tabs Macro" Documentation 
>>  , the <> will not 
>> affected by "tab macro" which is understandable.
>> My problem now is that I didn't understand how to overcome this using the 
>> "TemplateTiddler" (example in the above link )
>>
>
> There are two ways to do this:
>
> Method #1:
> In each of the "ChildNN" tiddlers, add this line at the beginning:
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
>
> Method #2:
> Create a separate tiddler (e.g., "TabsTemplate") containing
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$transclude mode="block" />
> 
> then, in your tabs macro, write:
> <$macrocall name="tabs" tabsList="Child01 Child02" template="TabsTemplate" 
> />
>
> In either method, the $tiddler widget sets the currentTiddler value within 
> the ChildNN tiddler to be the currentTab name (e.g., "Child01" or 
> "Child02").  Note that if you view a ChildNN tiddler separately (i.e., 
> outside of the tabset), then the currentTab value is undefined, and the 
> $tiddler widget does nothing, which is OK, since the currentTiddler value 
> will already correctly refer to the tiddler you are viewing.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: "tabs" Macro : Tiddlers that depend on <>

[Mohamed Amin]

Thanks a lot Eric, everything is crystal clear now.

Appreciate your support

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 8:21:42 AM UTC+2, Mohamed Amin wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Suppose that I've the following 3 Tiddlers:
>
>1. "Parent"
>2. "Child01" : with a filed "my-parent" = "Parent"
>3. "Child02" : with a filed "my-parent" = "Parent"
>
> And : 
>
>- I use "tab" Macro in the first Tiddler ("Parent" tiddler) to list 
>the other 2 "Child" Tiddler.
>- Both "Child01" and "Child02" are using <> variable 
>internally
>
>
> Now, as per the last part of "tabs Macro" Documentation 
>  , the <> will not 
> affected by "tab macro" which is understandable.
>
> My problem now is that I didn't understand how to overcome this using the 
> "TemplateTiddler" (example in the above link )
>
> so, I appreciate some help with more clear/detailed example.
>
> Best Regards
>

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[tw5] Re: "tabs" Macro : Tiddlers that depend on <>

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:21:42 PM UTC-8, Mohamed Amin wrote:
>
> as per the last part of "tabs Macro" Documentation 
>  , the <> will not 
> affected by "tab macro" which is understandable.
> My problem now is that I didn't understand how to overcome this using the 
> "TemplateTiddler" (example in the above link )
>

There are two ways to do this:

Method #1:
In each of the "ChildNN" tiddlers, add this line at the beginning:
<$tiddler tiddler=<>>

Method #2:
Create a separate tiddler (e.g., "TabsTemplate") containing
<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$transclude mode="block" />

then, in your tabs macro, write:
<$macrocall name="tabs" tabsList="Child01 Child02" template="TabsTemplate" 
/>

In either method, the $tiddler widget sets the currentTiddler value within 
the ChildNN tiddler to be the currentTab name (e.g., "Child01" or 
"Child02").  Note that if you view a ChildNN tiddler separately (i.e., 
outside of the tabset), then the currentTab value is undefined, and the 
$tiddler widget does nothing, which is OK, since the currentTiddler value 
will already correctly refer to the tiddler you are viewing.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[Damon Pritchett]

Sorry Tony - being the newbie that I am, I'm not completely following you. 
The behavior that I'm seeing (two copies of the comments in each tiddler) 
is happening without the tiddler with the tabs being open. Please explain 
further.

Damon


On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 5:10:27 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Daemon,
>
> I expect it is because when the tab is being displayed the currentTiddler 
> value is not correct.
>
> I suggest inserting <> and <> in a few places 
> to work out what is happening. Place  below your tabs to show what is 
> tab and what is current Tiddler output.
>
> Test what is happening step by step and you should figure it out. I tested 
> my code and it worked.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[TonyM]

Daemon,

I expect it is because when the tab is being displayed the currentTiddler value 
is not correct.

I suggest inserting <> and <> in a few places to 
work out what is happening. Place  below your tabs to show what is tab and 
what is current Tiddler output.

Test what is happening step by step and you should figure it out. I tested my 
code and it worked.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[Damon Pritchett]

Hi Tony,

I tried the simple code below in a tab template tagged 
$:/tags/ViewTemplate. The result was the every tiddler displayed the 
comments stuff twice at the bottom, but the tabs were unaffected. I entered 
a comment in one of the tiddlers used in the tabs and that comment did not 
show up in the tab at all, but showed up twice in the tiddler. I'm very new 
to templates so am not sure how to fix it. Thanks so much for your help and 
patience.

Damon



On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 5:57:59 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> The tabs can have a template specified and in this template you include 
> the code that would other wise be included in the view template if you want 
> it to appear in the tab. you can use the <> variable to get the 
> tabs tiddler name in the template. By looking at the items tagged 
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate 
> with the comments plugin you will see 
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/*comments*/footer-view-template-segment 
> is in the view template.
>
> In the tab template, Setting the Current tiddler to currentTab using 
> <$tiddler tiddler=<> >
> {{||$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/comments/footer-view-template-segment}}
> 
>
> *Code not tested but expected to work*
>
> Here is a tab template of my own, it has not being generalised but it will 
> give some idea to some available tricks such as view and edit inline and 
> comments inside tabs. You will need alternatives to the $:/PSaT tiddlers 
> included.
>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$set name=state-tiddler value=<> >
>
> 
> {{||$:/PSaT/show-subTiddler-tabs/button/view-edit-tab-toggle}}
> <>
> 
> 
> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}} {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/open-window}}
> <$button tooltip="Actions outside the current tab" 
> class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/info-button}}
> 
> {{!!domain}}: //{{!!description}}//
>  {{!!tab-title}}
>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text="yes">
> <>
> Allow edit-fields-list here in view mode (comes with toggle)
> 
> <$reveal type="match" state=<> text="yes">
> {{||$:/PSaT/show-subTiddler-tabs/button/view-edit-tab-toggle}}
> <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor"/>
> Allow edit fields here in edit mode  (needs toggle)
> 
> 
> {{||$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/comments/footer-view-template-segment}}
> 
>
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 10:52:06 AM UTC+11, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> One of the limitations I've noticed with tabs today is that the tiddler 
>> content within the tab does not show the comments from the new comments 
>> plugin and it does not show content being added via the ViewTemplate (I 
>> append some content to all tiddlers matching a certain tag this way. Is 
>> there anyway to remedy this?
>>
>> Thanks as always,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 3:49:13 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I believe the current tabs macro is limited in some important ways such 
>>> as forcing the content to additional tiddlers when we usually want to 
>>> ensure the tabs remain associated with the original tab "forever" but it 
>>> would also be nice to perhaps have the content of macros or transclusions 
>>> make up tab content sometimes. Default or templated tab content would also 
>>> be great. I plan to make and publish some solutions to this in the future. 
>>> Some hint as to how I am thinking can be found in my MyMenus plugin 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/mymenus/ that uses fields to define the 
>>> Menus and their order, as eventually we can use this approach to define 
>>> define the Tabs and their order.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 1:02:42 AM UTC+11, Mat wrote:


 Yeah I needed the tabs in the actual page instead of on the side where 
> the other tabs are.
>

 so no misunderstanding; "on the actual page" is known as "the tiddler 
 river". This is just a listing of tiddlers. But also the sidebar with its 
 tabs is actually a tiddler that contains a tabs macro. (In the next update 
 of TW, the sidebar will be easy to edit)
  

 < "SampleTabOne" "$:/state/tab1">>
>
>
 Each of those are separate tiddlers, so if you have another(!) tiddler 
 titled SampleTabOne then the content of that tid will show in the tab.

 I made http://tablinks.tiddlyspot.com/ to simplify editing tabs. It 
 works well in chrome. I think pmario made another version of it.

 <:-)



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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[TonyM]

Damon,

The tabs can have a template specified and in this template you include the 
code that would other wise be included in the view template if you want it 
to appear in the tab. you can use the <> variable to get the 
tabs tiddler name in the template. By looking at the items tagged 
$:/tags/ViewTemplate 
with the comments plugin you will see 
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/*comments*/footer-view-template-segment 
is in the view template.

In the tab template, Setting the Current tiddler to currentTab using 
<$tiddler tiddler=<> >
{{||$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/comments/footer-view-template-segment}}


*Code not tested but expected to work*

Here is a tab template of my own, it has not being generalised but it will 
give some idea to some available tricks such as view and edit inline and 
comments inside tabs. You will need alternatives to the $:/PSaT tiddlers 
included.

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$set name=state-tiddler value=<> >


{{||$:/PSaT/show-subTiddler-tabs/button/view-edit-tab-toggle}}
<>


{{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}} {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/open-window}}
<$button tooltip="Actions outside the current tab" 
class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/info-button}}

{{!!domain}}: //{{!!description}}//
 {{!!tab-title}}

<$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text="yes">
<>
Allow edit-fields-list here in view mode (comes with toggle)

<$reveal type="match" state=<> text="yes">
{{||$:/PSaT/show-subTiddler-tabs/button/view-edit-tab-toggle}}
<$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor"/>
Allow edit fields here in edit mode  (needs toggle)


{{||$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/comments/footer-view-template-segment}}




Regards
Tony



On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 10:52:06 AM UTC+11, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> One of the limitations I've noticed with tabs today is that the tiddler 
> content within the tab does not show the comments from the new comments 
> plugin and it does not show content being added via the ViewTemplate (I 
> append some content to all tiddlers matching a certain tag this way. Is 
> there anyway to remedy this?
>
> Thanks as always,
>
> Damon
>
>
> On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 3:49:13 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I believe the current tabs macro is limited in some important ways such 
>> as forcing the content to additional tiddlers when we usually want to 
>> ensure the tabs remain associated with the original tab "forever" but it 
>> would also be nice to perhaps have the content of macros or transclusions 
>> make up tab content sometimes. Default or templated tab content would also 
>> be great. I plan to make and publish some solutions to this in the future. 
>> Some hint as to how I am thinking can be found in my MyMenus plugin 
>> http://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/mymenus/ that uses fields to define the 
>> Menus and their order, as eventually we can use this approach to define 
>> define the Tabs and their order.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 1:02:42 AM UTC+11, Mat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah I needed the tabs in the actual page instead of on the side where 
 the other tabs are.

>>>
>>> so no misunderstanding; "on the actual page" is known as "the tiddler 
>>> river". This is just a listing of tiddlers. But also the sidebar with its 
>>> tabs is actually a tiddler that contains a tabs macro. (In the next update 
>>> of TW, the sidebar will be easy to edit)
>>>  
>>>
>>> <>>> "SampleTabOne" "$:/state/tab1">>


>>> Each of those are separate tiddlers, so if you have another(!) tiddler 
>>> titled SampleTabOne then the content of that tid will show in the tab.
>>>
>>> I made http://tablinks.tiddlyspot.com/ to simplify editing tabs. It 
>>> works well in chrome. I think pmario made another version of it.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[Damon Pritchett]

One of the limitations I've noticed with tabs today is that the tiddler 
content within the tab does not show the comments from the new comments 
plugin and it does not show content being added via the ViewTemplate (I 
append some content to all tiddlers matching a certain tag this way. Is 
there anyway to remedy this?

Thanks as always,

Damon


On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 3:49:13 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I believe the current tabs macro is limited in some important ways such as 
> forcing the content to additional tiddlers when we usually want to ensure 
> the tabs remain associated with the original tab "forever" but it would 
> also be nice to perhaps have the content of macros or transclusions make up 
> tab content sometimes. Default or templated tab content would also be 
> great. I plan to make and publish some solutions to this in the future. 
> Some hint as to how I am thinking can be found in my MyMenus plugin 
> http://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/mymenus/ that uses fields to define the 
> Menus and their order, as eventually we can use this approach to define 
> define the Tabs and their order.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 1:02:42 AM UTC+11, Mat wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah I needed the tabs in the actual page instead of on the side where 
>>> the other tabs are.
>>>
>>
>> so no misunderstanding; "on the actual page" is known as "the tiddler 
>> river". This is just a listing of tiddlers. But also the sidebar with its 
>> tabs is actually a tiddler that contains a tabs macro. (In the next update 
>> of TW, the sidebar will be easy to edit)
>>  
>>
>> <>> "SampleTabOne" "$:/state/tab1">>
>>>
>>>
>> Each of those are separate tiddlers, so if you have another(!) tiddler 
>> titled SampleTabOne then the content of that tid will show in the tab.
>>
>> I made http://tablinks.tiddlyspot.com/ to simplify editing tabs. It 
>> works well in chrome. I think pmario made another version of it.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[TonyM]

Folks,

I believe the current tabs macro is limited in some important ways such as 
forcing the content to additional tiddlers when we usually want to ensure 
the tabs remain associated with the original tab "forever" but it would 
also be nice to perhaps have the content of macros or transclusions make up 
tab content sometimes. Default or templated tab content would also be 
great. I plan to make and publish some solutions to this in the future. 
Some hint as to how I am thinking can be found in my MyMenus 
plugin http://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/mymenus/ that uses fields to define 
the Menus and their order, as eventually we can use this approach to define 
define the Tabs and their order.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 1:02:42 AM UTC+11, Mat wrote:
>
>
> Yeah I needed the tabs in the actual page instead of on the side where the 
>> other tabs are.
>>
>
> so no misunderstanding; "on the actual page" is known as "the tiddler 
> river". This is just a listing of tiddlers. But also the sidebar with its 
> tabs is actually a tiddler that contains a tabs macro. (In the next update 
> of TW, the sidebar will be easy to edit)
>  
>
> <> "SampleTabOne" "$:/state/tab1">>
>>
>>
> Each of those are separate tiddlers, so if you have another(!) tiddler 
> titled SampleTabOne then the content of that tid will show in the tab.
>
> I made http://tablinks.tiddlyspot.com/ to simplify editing tabs. It works 
> well in chrome. I think pmario made another version of it.
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[Mat]

> Yeah I needed the tabs in the actual page instead of on the side where the 
> other tabs are.
>

so no misunderstanding; "on the actual page" is known as "the tiddler 
river". This is just a listing of tiddlers. But also the sidebar with its 
tabs is actually a tiddler that contains a tabs macro. (In the next update 
of TW, the sidebar will be easy to edit)
 

< "SampleTabOne" "$:/state/tab1">>
>
>
Each of those are separate tiddlers, so if you have another(!) tiddler 
titled SampleTabOne then the content of that tid will show in the tab.

I made http://tablinks.tiddlyspot.com/ to simplify editing tabs. It works 
well in chrome. I think pmario made another version of it.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[Black Rook]

:o Thank you so much! I was looking all over the place for stuff and it was 
right under my nose all this time. Yeah the tabs macro is what i needed. 
Yeah I needed the tabs in the actual page instead of on the side where the 
other tabs are.

On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 2:28:31 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> When you say "*on* tiddlers", do you mean along the top of the actual 
> tiddler as opposed to the tiddler showing a row of tabs in its content 
> area? Your linked example looks more like the latter, in which case it 
> should not be a problem; just use the tabs macro 
>  as it is intended.
>
> If you do mean along the top of the actual tiddler, you would have to 
> clarify e.g what you mean that would show in those tabs. Is it content from 
> other tiddlers or what should it be? BJ has StoryTopTabs 
> 
>  
> which shows all(!) open tiddlers stacked and with tabs, kind of like a 
> browser window.
>
> That said, one could use a trick to make it appear as if the tabs was 
> along the top edge of only the current tiddler by using styling. Basically, 
> you'd use the tabs macro as usual in the tiddler content but then make the 
> tiddlers background transparent and move the tiddler title+tools to 
> somewhere so they are not above the tabs. It's a cool idea actually. Might 
> experiment with it one day (but not now).
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Tabs on Tiddlers?

[Mat]

When you say "*on* tiddlers", do you mean along the top of the actual 
tiddler as opposed to the tiddler showing a row of tabs in its content 
area? Your linked example looks more like the latter, in which case it 
should not be a problem; just use the tabs macro 
 as it is intended.

If you do mean along the top of the actual tiddler, you would have to 
clarify e.g what you mean that would show in those tabs. Is it content from 
other tiddlers or what should it be? BJ has StoryTopTabs 

 
which shows all(!) open tiddlers stacked and with tabs, kind of like a 
browser window.

That said, one could use a trick to make it appear as if the tabs was along 
the top edge of only the current tiddler by using styling. Basically, you'd 
use the tabs macro as usual in the tiddler content but then make the 
tiddlers background transparent and move the tiddler title+tools to 
somewhere so they are not above the tabs. It's a cool idea actually. Might 
experiment with it one day (but not now).

<:-)

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