[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Dave,
Very good descriptions both of them. That is exactly so - and the reason I 
need a pause sometimes, to sort out my drives. 
It is kind of comforting to read your post, I just thought I was 
messy..LOL.

A pause never last for long - too afraid of missing out.


Birthe


lørdag den 8. maj 2021 kl. 16.43.05 UTC+2 skrev David Gifford:

> A free, one-file cross-platform tool that can be used offline or online, 
> for 
> a) capturing your content in chunks, 
> b) connecting, combining and organizing the chunks, and 
> c) retrieving, exporting, sharing and publishing your content,
> all in an incredibly customizable user interface 
> and supported by a wide selection of plugin 
> and a friendly open source community.
>
> Other description
>
> An addictive tool, 
> that needs other tools and knowledge just to start saving changes and 
> using it,
> whose infinite customizability will cause you spend more time tweaking it 
> than using it,
> and whose fragmentary and incomprehensible documentation will leave you 
> pounding your desk
> and confusing things like tags, tag, tagging, untagged, list, listing, 
> listed, list-before, list-after, list-behind, list-through,
> filter:"[[ and filter="[[, , 
> and $this$, <>, \define this(this), [has:this[]], [get:this[]], 
> [forget:this[]] and [all[current]this[]]
> TiddlyWiki will leave you with a long trail of files strewn across your 
> hard drive,
> each containing tweaks you experimented with to design the 'perfect' 
> system, better than the last,
> and notes you will need later but can't find because of the sheer number 
> of files you started but abandoned 
> because the next day someone announced a new plugin.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>
>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>> content of the web page it IS.
>>
>> *How would you describe it?*
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Ste]

@David
It's funny because it's true, and we know how much you put into the 
tiddlyverse.
On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 15:48:21 UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

> I should add that for me, the second description is playfful and in no way 
> nullifies the power of the first description...
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 9:43:05 AM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> A free, one-file cross-platform tool that can be used offline or online, 
>> for 
>> a) capturing your content in chunks, 
>> b) connecting, combining and organizing the chunks, and 
>> c) retrieving, exporting, sharing and publishing your content,
>> all in an incredibly customizable user interface 
>> and supported by a wide selection of plugin 
>> and a friendly open source community.
>>
>> Other description
>>
>> An addictive tool, 
>> that needs other tools and knowledge just to start saving changes and 
>> using it,
>> whose infinite customizability will cause you spend more time tweaking it 
>> than using it,
>> and whose fragmentary and incomprehensible documentation will leave you 
>> pounding your desk
>> and confusing things like tags, tag, tagging, untagged, list, listing, 
>> listed, list-before, list-after, list-behind, list-through,
>> filter:"[[ and filter="[[, , 
>> and $this$, <>, \define this(this), [has:this[]], [get:this[]], 
>> [forget:this[]] and [all[current]this[]]
>> TiddlyWiki will leave you with a long trail of files strewn across your 
>> hard drive,
>> each containing tweaks you experimented with to design the 'perfect' 
>> system, better than the last,
>> and notes you will need later but can't find because of the sheer number 
>> of files you started but abandoned 
>> because the next day someone announced a new plugin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>>
>>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>>> content of the web page it IS.
>>>
>>> *How would you describe it?*
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[David Gifford]

I should add that for me, the second description is playfful and in no way 
nullifies the power of the first description...

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 9:43:05 AM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:

> A free, one-file cross-platform tool that can be used offline or online, 
> for 
> a) capturing your content in chunks, 
> b) connecting, combining and organizing the chunks, and 
> c) retrieving, exporting, sharing and publishing your content,
> all in an incredibly customizable user interface 
> and supported by a wide selection of plugin 
> and a friendly open source community.
>
> Other description
>
> An addictive tool, 
> that needs other tools and knowledge just to start saving changes and 
> using it,
> whose infinite customizability will cause you spend more time tweaking it 
> than using it,
> and whose fragmentary and incomprehensible documentation will leave you 
> pounding your desk
> and confusing things like tags, tag, tagging, untagged, list, listing, 
> listed, list-before, list-after, list-behind, list-through,
> filter:"[[ and filter="[[, , 
> and $this$, <>, \define this(this), [has:this[]], [get:this[]], 
> [forget:this[]] and [all[current]this[]]
> TiddlyWiki will leave you with a long trail of files strewn across your 
> hard drive,
> each containing tweaks you experimented with to design the 'perfect' 
> system, better than the last,
> and notes you will need later but can't find because of the sheer number 
> of files you started but abandoned 
> because the next day someone announced a new plugin.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>
>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>> content of the web page it IS.
>>
>> *How would you describe it?*
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[David Gifford]

A free, one-file cross-platform tool that can be used offline or online, 
for 
a) capturing your content in chunks, 
b) connecting, combining and organizing the chunks, and 
c) retrieving, exporting, sharing and publishing your content,
all in an incredibly customizable user interface 
and supported by a wide selection of plugin 
and a friendly open source community.

Other description

An addictive tool, 
that needs other tools and knowledge just to start saving changes and using 
it,
whose infinite customizability will cause you spend more time tweaking it 
than using it,
and whose fragmentary and incomprehensible documentation will leave you 
pounding your desk
and confusing things like tags, tag, tagging, untagged, list, listing, 
listed, list-before, list-after, list-behind, list-through,
filter:"[[ and filter="[[, , 
and $this$, <>, \define this(this), [has:this[]], [get:this[]], 
[forget:this[]] and [all[current]this[]]
TiddlyWiki will leave you with a long trail of files strewn across your 
hard drive,
each containing tweaks you experimented with to design the 'perfect' 
system, better than the last,
and notes you will need later but can't find because of the sheer number of 
files you started but abandoned 
because the next day someone announced a new plugin.





On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Hans Wobbe]

Just a thought forking from Boggart and and the Shapeshifter reference to 
"transform": 

Perhaps the term TransFormer could be use for those procedures that 
significantly Transform a tiddler's appearance.  (e.g. applying a set of 
viewTemplates or other TransClusions and Stylings by merely tagging a 
tiddler?  Perhaps its time to re-visit CSS zenGarden 
 for some inspiration.

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 2:53:12 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>>  *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks%27_Eyes* 
>>  in Lewis Carroll's 
>> "Through The Looking Glass", in which Alice and The White Knight have a 
>> conversation about the *complicated terminology distinguishing between 
>> the song, what the song is called, the name of the song, and what the name 
>> of the song is called*.
>>
>
> Eric, Ha! Great fun! 
>
> More seriously, the *Haddocks Eyes problem *is I think insightful on the 
> difficulty of describing our animal.
>
> Just a comment, TT
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Eric Shulman wrote:

>  *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks%27_Eyes* 
>  in Lewis Carroll's 
> "Through The Looking Glass", in which Alice and The White Knight have a 
> conversation about the *complicated terminology distinguishing between 
> the song, what the song is called, the name of the song, and what the name 
> of the song is called*.
>

Eric, Ha! Great fun! 

More seriously, the *Haddocks Eyes problem *is I think insightful on the 
difficulty of describing our animal.

Just a comment, TT

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mohamed Amin wrote:

> In Harry Potter World, there is a creature called "A Boggart 
> " 
>
> It's a "shapeshifter" that feels and knows the emotion of a person and 
> transform itself 
>

I do like the "shape-shifter" analogy too myself and Boggarts are a good 
example of one type of shape-shifter.

There is always the worry, of course, that one may need help from 
... *Morphaholics Anonymous.  :-)*

Best wishes, TT

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Mohamed Amin]

First of all, please excuse my English,

In Harry Potter World, there is a creature called "A Boggart 
" 

It's a "shapeshifter" that feels and knows the emotion of a person and 
transform itself to be his "Worst Nightmare"

For me, TW5 is something similar(in opposite way), it's a "Living creature" 
that  communicate/comminute with my thought/mind, it understand and feel my 
needs then transform himself to be my "Fantastic Dream" (most of the times 
:))
Sometimes it behave badly, sometimes I feel that it intend to make me look 
stupid/fool, sometimes I feel that I'll NEVER understand it, sometime we 
struggle/fight with each other, But in the end, I always don't have any 
option except "fell in love" with it. 

Note: (Sorry Jeremy you've lied to us) 
- Tiddlywiki is NOT a "Notebook" tool
- Tiddlywiki is NOT a "To Do List" tool

(just kidding)

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 4:53:10 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just because a tend to be overly wordy:  TiddlyWiki is a Hypertext 
> Solutions Platform.
>
> Heck, I often think of TiddlyWiki as a Rapid Application Development tool 
> for TiddlyWiki solutions or prototyping applications that will eventually 
> be built on other platforms.
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 9:05:10 AM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>
>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>> content of the web page it IS.
>>
>> *How would you describe it?*
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Charlie Veniot]

Just because a tend to be overly wordy:  TiddlyWiki is a Hypertext 
Solutions Platform.

Heck, I often think of TiddlyWiki as a Rapid Application Development tool 
for TiddlyWiki solutions or prototyping applications that will eventually 
be built on other platforms.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 9:05:10 AM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Eric Shulman]

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:10:49 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> I keep saying the "TiddlyWiki platform" you could run a band., business of 
> side hustle on it, become a personal productivity wizard or build an app on 
> it. You could just use it for a shopping list or a research program.


As per Saturday Night Live on 1/10/1976:
*"TiddlyWiki is a Floor Wax No! It's a Desert Topping!"*

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625

-e

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[TW Tones]

I keep saying the "TiddlyWiki platform" you could run a band., business of 
side hustle on it, become a personal productivity wizard or build an app on 
it. You could just use it for a shopping list or a research program.

Tones

On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 03:02:55 UTC+10 Ste wrote:

> Tiddlywiki is AWESOME. 
>
> 
>
> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 17:11:20 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> From the front page of *Grok TiddlyWiki:*
>>
>> TiddlyWiki  is a human-shaped tool for 
>> organizing information and taking notes. It stores and relates information 
>> in a non-linear but structured way, just like your brain, and it doesn't 
>> forget things.
>>
>> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>>
>>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>>> content of the web page it IS.
>>>
>>> *How would you describe it?*
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Ste]

Tiddlywiki is AWESOME. 



On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 17:11:20 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> From the front page of *Grok TiddlyWiki:*
>
> TiddlyWiki  is a human-shaped tool for 
> organizing information and taking notes. It stores and relates information 
> in a non-linear but structured way, just like your brain, and it doesn't 
> forget things.
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>
>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>> content of the web page it IS.
>>
>> *How would you describe it?*
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Soren Bjornstad]

>From the front page of *Grok TiddlyWiki:*

TiddlyWiki  is a human-shaped tool for organizing 
information and taking notes. It stores and relates information in a 
non-linear but structured way, just like your brain, and it doesn't forget 
things.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Mat]

3 word description: "Hyperlinked post-it notes".
If there's a glimpse of interest, add "...that are also individually 
programmable".
If listener is salivating, add "...So each post-it can hold notes but also 
dynamic content extracted from all the other notes"

Another description: "...it's like Evernote or OneNote but customizable". 
(I'm guessing here. Never used those.)

<:-)

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 2:05:10 PM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Eric Shulman]

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 5:05:10 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

Technically, TiddlyWiki is a 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-page_application.

However, describing TiddlyWiki is really a problem of 
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction* 
, an example 
of which is *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks%27_Eyes* 
 in Lewis Carroll's 
"Through The Looking Glass", in which Alice and The White Knight have a 
conversation about the *complicated terminology distinguishing between the 
song, what the song is called, the name of the song, and what the name of 
the song is called*.

In the past, I've described it as a *"**Personal **Portable **Programmable 
**Platform 
for People" *(I like alliteration).  I've also described it by saying *"Own 
it like a document, use it like a website"*,  and borrowing the Sirius 
Cybernetics marketing division's description of a robot from Douglas Adams' 
"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" : *"Your Plastic Pal Who's Fun To Be 
With!"*

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[tw5] Re: What is tiddlywiki for?

[David Gifford]

Hi Mabel

Tiddlywiki is the answer to many prayers, and the cause of many more 
prayers! It can be overwhelming at first. 

Links work in tiddlers just as they do anywhere. Add a link to an URL or 
full filepath, and clicking the link opens the page in a new tab.

You might try out my dumpster for dumping bookmarks or thoughts. 
https://giffmex.org/experiments/asterisk.dumpster.html, to see how 
bookmarking and dumping individual ideas might look. And feel free to 
download it and use it if you like it.

Regarding tree views, TiddlyWiki has its own table of contents macro ( 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros%20(Examples) ) but see 
the many other options in this section of my toolmap: 
https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS

I tend to prefer the list-search macro I use in the tabs of my dumpster 
over trees and outlines.

Dave
On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 9:56:03 AM UTC-5 mabel.va...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> With so many extensions and options I'm still at a loss to now whether 
> TiddlyWiki is the answer to my prayers or not.
> My objectives is to organize my thoughts and all the documents and 
> webpages pertaining to them; thus easily adding links to all kinds of 
> documents and web-pages is essential. Yet (in v.5) I couldn't find a way to 
> link to external documents or URL's.
> Also organising everything in various 'tree-views' would be helpful.
> Can TiddlyWiki be of help or am I looking in the wrong place? If so, could 
> anyone suggest where to look for my kind of 'organiser'?
> Mabel
>
>

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