Re: [tw] Plugin Localization

[Myeongjin Lee]

>
> As it’s a big change I think we should defer it until after 5.1.12 is 
> released; what do you think? 
>
Me, too.

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Re: [tw] Plugin Localization

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Myeongjin

Thanks for your hard work on this. I’ve looked through the changes:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/compare/master...araname:plugin-localisable

Looks good to me. As it’s a big change I think we should defer it until after 
5.1.12 is released; what do you think?

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 11 May 2016, at 10:09, Myeongjin Lee  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> I want set directory to two ways for language plugins of plugins, include 
> group tiddlywiki because some user may be not use plugin(s):
> 
> $:/languages/plugins/group/plugin/ko-KR/plugin.i18n.multids, and 
> plugin.info, which commited by me in branch 
> 'plugin-localisable'.$:/languages/plugins/group/ko-KR/plugin.info, 
> and $:/languages/plugins/group/ko-KR/plugin/ plugin.i18n.multids
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Re: [tw] Plugin Localization

[Myeongjin Lee]

Hi Jeremy,

I want set directory to two ways for language plugins of plugins, include group 
tiddlywiki because some user may be not use plugin(s):

$:/languages/plugins/group/plugin/ko-KR/plugin.i18n.multids, and 
plugin.info, which commited by me in branch 
'plugin-localisable'.$:/languages/plugins/group/ko-KR/plugin.info, and 
$:/languages/plugins/group/ko-KR/plugin/ plugin.i18n.multids

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Re: [tw] Plugin Localization

[Myeongjin Lee]

Hi Jeremy,

I want set directory to two ways for language plugins of plugins, include 
group tiddlywiki because some user may be not use plugin(s):


   - $:/languages/plugins/group/plugin/ko-KR/plugin.i18n.multids, and 
   plugin.info, which commited by me in branch 'plugin-localisable'.
   - $:/languages/plugins/group/ko-KR/plugin.info, and 
   $:/languages/plugins/group/ko-KR/plugin/ plugin.i18n.multids

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Re: [tw] Plugin Localization

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Myeongjin

> Where is localization for vanilla place in, core or plugin?

At the moment, of course, none of the official plugins are localisable, and a 
translation plugin is only expected to contain translations for the core 
strings.

I think that the easiest arrangement for users would be to make two changes:

1) To make it possible a language plugin to include translations of plugin(s) 
as well as the core strings
2) To make it possible to have multiple language plugins active at once: 
instead of switching between plugin libraries, we'd switch between languages, 
and use all the available plugins that target the current language

With that arrangement, we could ship a single fr-FR plugin that contains 
translations for the core and all the official plugins. Third party developers 
would be able to ship their own supplemental fr-FR plugin containing the 
translations for their own plugins. So, eventually, there might be a 
`languages/TiddlyTools/fr-FR` plugin.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Plugin Localization

[Myeongjin Lee]

Where is localization for vanilla place in, core or plugin?

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Re: [tw] Plugin Localization

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Myeongjin

> I made localization for plugins.

Wow! Congratulations, this must be the most ambitious pull request I’ve ever 
received for TiddlyWiki.

Just to explain what’s going on, this pull request introduces a mechanism by 
which plugins can be localised into different languages, along the same lines 
that we use for the core. It also includes updates to all of the core plugins 
to make them use this new mechanism, and includes  English and Korean 
translations to get things started.

Introducing a new mechanism into TiddlyWiki is quite intricate, demanding work 
because of the need to understand how it fits in with all the existing 
mechanisms. The localisation modifications to the plugins, on the other hand, 
are pure slog: not so intellectually demanding, but still intricate and error 
prone. 

> What is plugin-type named of it?

I’d like to spend a bit more time looking through the code. I’d like to defer 
merging this until after 5.1.12 has been released so that we can spend a little 
time getting the user experience right.

> https://github.com/araname/TiddlyWiki5/tree/plugin-localisable

Please go ahead and create a pull request for these changes.

Many thanks,

Jeremy




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