Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[V]

How it goes? I'm looking for smth like inline editor and seems like you 
were going to do it.


среда, 24 июня 2020 г. в 02:55:50 UTC+3, TW Tones: 

> Michael,
>
> Nice work. I can see this combined with other prior methods and the recent 
> command 
> pallet 
>  a 
> tiddlywiki user/designer could become a "speed machine" building content.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 7:49:48 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> > Given your one line example in the video makes me ask can we use this 
>> to edit fields as well?, it would be great to be able to build a list field 
>> if tiddler titles from keyboard entry, as you example does (without the 
>> additional text). People could use it to build a list of tiddlers that want 
>> to include in an export from memory.
>> That should be possible and single line is my goal. However CodeMirror 
>> doesn’t support that out of the box, it should work with some code though. 
>>
>
>>>- Could re enter a filter to select more than one title?
>>>
>>> You mean a list of Tiddlers? That would be a different mode in CM terms, 
>> and each auto-complete invocation would likely only give a list where the 
>> user can choose one entry. That is done in JS so if you know likely 
>> combinations you could include that in the list. 
>>
>>>
>>>- Could we allow transclusions rather than links to be placed in the 
>>>text (Perhaps not transcluding in your view editor)?
>>>
>>> great idea, I just implemented that today. (See /todo). Once rendered 
>> the transclusions are not updated til something triggers a re-render 
>> though. And I needed to edit the CM plugin a bit. 
>>
>>>
>>>- Could we provide an additional list or filter to the predictive 
>>>process such as a list of macronames that the predictive text would 
>>> insert 
>>><>  (Perhaps not rendering in your view editor)?
>>>
>>> yes
>>
>>>
>>>- 
>>>- Perhaps the ability to toggle if transclusions or macros are 
>>>rendered in this view/update mode.
>>>
>>> not sure about that one. Would need some control to do that and wire 
>> that up wir the CM instance. Need to look further how that might work 
>> (first time TW and first time CM user here )
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your interest!
>> Michael 
>>
>
>>>- 
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:09:04 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:

 Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly 
 writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and 
 CodeMirror.
 What do you think?

 https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s

 Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a 
 template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it 
 always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in 
 front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
 I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.

 I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)

 Greetings
 Michael

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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[TW Tones]

Michael,

Nice work. I can see this combined with other prior methods and the recent 
command 
pallet 
 a 
tiddlywiki user/designer could become a "speed machine" building content.

Thanks
Tony

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 7:49:48 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
> > Given your one line example in the video makes me ask can we use this to 
> edit fields as well?, it would be great to be able to build a list field if 
> tiddler titles from keyboard entry, as you example does (without the 
> additional text). People could use it to build a list of tiddlers that want 
> to include in an export from memory.
> That should be possible and single line is my goal. However CodeMirror 
> doesn’t support that out of the box, it should work with some code though. 
>
>>
>>- Could re enter a filter to select more than one title?
>>
>> You mean a list of Tiddlers? That would be a different mode in CM terms, 
> and each auto-complete invocation would likely only give a list where the 
> user can choose one entry. That is done in JS so if you know likely 
> combinations you could include that in the list. 
>
>>
>>- Could we allow transclusions rather than links to be placed in the 
>>text (Perhaps not transcluding in your view editor)?
>>
>> great idea, I just implemented that today. (See /todo). Once rendered the 
> transclusions are not updated til something triggers a re-render though. 
> And I needed to edit the CM plugin a bit. 
>
>>
>>- Could we provide an additional list or filter to the predictive 
>>process such as a list of macronames that the predictive text would 
>> insert 
>><>  (Perhaps not rendering in your view editor)?
>>
>> yes
>
>>
>>- 
>>- Perhaps the ability to toggle if transclusions or macros are 
>>rendered in this view/update mode.
>>
>> not sure about that one. Would need some control to do that and wire that 
> up wir the CM instance. Need to look further how that might work (first 
> time TW and first time CM user here )
>
>
> Thanks for your interest!
> Michael 
>
>>
>>- 
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:09:04 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly 
>>> writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and 
>>> CodeMirror.
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s
>>>
>>> Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a 
>>> template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it 
>>> always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in 
>>> front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
>>> I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.
>>>
>>> I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Michael
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[Michael Arndt]

Hi Tony

> Given your one line example in the video makes me ask can we use this to
edit fields as well?, it would be great to be able to build a list field if
tiddler titles from keyboard entry, as you example does (without the
additional text). People could use it to build a list of tiddlers that want
to include in an export from memory.
That should be possible and single line is my goal. However CodeMirror
doesn’t support that out of the box, it should work with some code though.

>
>- Could re enter a filter to select more than one title?
>
> You mean a list of Tiddlers? That would be a different mode in CM terms,
and each auto-complete invocation would likely only give a list where the
user can choose one entry. That is done in JS so if you know likely
combinations you could include that in the list.

>
>- Could we allow transclusions rather than links to be placed in the
>text (Perhaps not transcluding in your view editor)?
>
> great idea, I just implemented that today. (See /todo). Once rendered the
transclusions are not updated til something triggers a re-render though.
And I needed to edit the CM plugin a bit.

>
>- Could we provide an additional list or filter to the predictive
>process such as a list of macronames that the predictive text would insert
><>  (Perhaps not rendering in your view editor)?
>
> yes

>
>-
>- Perhaps the ability to toggle if transclusions or macros are
>rendered in this view/update mode.
>
> not sure about that one. Would need some control to do that and wire that
up wir the CM instance. Need to look further how that might work (first
time TW and first time CM user here )


Thanks for your interest!
Michael

>
>-
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:09:04 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly
>> writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and
>> CodeMirror.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s
>>
>> Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a
>> template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it
>> always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in
>> front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
>> I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.
>>
>> I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)
>>
>> Greetings
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[Michael Arndt]

Made a little live demo deployment here https://rapidtiddler.netlify.app/


Am Mo., 22. Juni 2020 um 02:18 Uhr schrieb TW Tones <
anthony.mus...@gmail.com>:

> Michael,
>
> Looks interesting, thanks for contributing to the community.
>
> a few quick thoughts;
>
>- I believe others have worked on predictive links including in the
>standard editor, but these things tend to not work in code mirror so this
>would be a good complement.
>- It would be nice if such a feature could be toggled in the editor,
>exactly what we need sometimes, a possible description at other times.
>- It would be nice if the method could be used elsewhere, on an input
>field, etc...
>
> Given your one line example in the video makes me ask can we use this to
> edit fields as well?, it would be great to be able to build a list field if
> tiddler titles from keyboard entry, as you example does (without the
> additional text). People could use it to build a list of tiddlers that want
> to include in an export from memory.
>
> By the way my own convention is to call editing in the view template as
> update mode, ie one is updating the tiddler, not using the full tiddlywiki
> edit template. However users of a wiki without tiddlywiki knowledge may
> call it edit mode. What ever its called we designers and developers should
> make sure it is clear on our discussions.
>
> So then I speculate
>
>- Could re enter a filter to select more than one title?
>- Could we allow transclusions rather than links to be placed in the
>text (Perhaps not transcluding in your view editor)?
>- Could we provide an additional list or filter to the predictive
>process such as a list of macronames that the predictive text would insert
><>  (Perhaps not rendering in your view editor)?
>- Perhaps the ability to toggle if transclusions or macros are
>rendered in this view/update mode.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:09:04 AM UTC+10, Michael Arndt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly
>> writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and
>> CodeMirror.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s
>>
>> Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a
>> template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it
>> always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in
>> front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
>> I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.
>>
>> I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)
>>
>> Greetings
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[Saq Imtiaz]

I think a lot of people just use simple text formatting for most of their 
content and might find something like this helpful.
Cheers,

Saq

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 6:21:52 PM UTC+2, Michael Arndt wrote:
>
> I didn’t want to use a modifier key because that would not work on mobile.
> I agree that markup is limiting. My idea would be to use that format for 
> short notes and switch back to regular TiddlyWiki format for longer texts 
> where appropriate (in fact that’s why I came back to tiddly after looking 
> at a dozen other things)
> I’ll put the code up later or tomorrow, am on the road now
>
> Saq Imtiaz > schrieb am So. 21. Juni 2020 
> um 17:57:
>
>> It might also be possible to superimpose the link on the text (or vice 
>> versa) and only trigger navigation if a modifier key is used.
>>
>> The big caveat of course is that the concept of always visible markup is 
>> only useful for simple text and not if using macros or widgets. Though even 
>> then it could make for an arguably better editing experience, even if not 
>> used in view mode.
>>
>> If you need any input or assistance, especially with regards to TW 
>> internals, please just ask.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[Michael Arndt]

I didn’t want to use a modifier key because that would not work on mobile.
I agree that markup is limiting. My idea would be to use that format for
short notes and switch back to regular TiddlyWiki format for longer texts
where appropriate (in fact that’s why I came back to tiddly after looking
at a dozen other things)
I’ll put the code up later or tomorrow, am on the road now

Saq Imtiaz  schrieb am So. 21. Juni 2020 um 17:57:

> It might also be possible to superimpose the link on the text (or vice
> versa) and only trigger navigation if a modifier key is used.
>
> The big caveat of course is that the concept of always visible markup is
> only useful for simple text and not if using macros or widgets. Though even
> then it could make for an arguably better editing experience, even if not
> used in view mode.
>
> If you need any input or assistance, especially with regards to TW
> internals, please just ask.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[Saq Imtiaz]

It might also be possible to superimpose the link on the text (or vice versa) 
and only trigger navigation if a modifier key is used.

The big caveat of course is that the concept of always visible markup is only 
useful for simple text and not if using macros or widgets. Though even then it 
could make for an arguably better editing experience, even if not used in view 
mode.

If you need any input or assistance, especially with regards to TW internals, 
please just ask.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Preview: RapidTiddler

[Michael Arndt]

Yes, I’m not keen on the arrows myself, it’s just a quick and dirty proof
of concept. It can by any inline html element.

Saq Imtiaz  schrieb am So. 21. Juni 2020 um 16:45:

> Hi Michael, thanks for sharing! At first blush it looks very interesting.
>
> I am wondering if we can be inventive and find a better alternative to the
> arrows though.. have some ideas but would need to take a peek :)
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:09:04 PM UTC+2, Michael Arndt wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm new to TiddlyWiki. However, I missed something for very quickly
>> writing something down, so I played around a bit with the API and
>> CodeMirror.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Y0_eJ-5hE5s
>>
>> Some details: it's a new Mode for CodeMirror and it is used through a
>> template to enable editing directly in view mode. The idea is to have it
>> always editable and always viewed as markup format. The arrows you see in
>> front of the Tiddler links are Codemirror widgets.
>> I could imagine adding something like /TODO or similar.
>>
>> I think it'll be nice paired with saqimtiaz's streams :)
>>
>> Greetings
>> Michael
>>
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