Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Community Call and File Uploads Plugin

[TW Tones]

Folks,

I watched the video which was too late at night for me to attend. You all 
have my support and I am ready to contribute. You are all going in the 
direction I have wanted for some time so you have a happy chappy here.

I was not able to receive a confirmation email or sign up to talk 
tiddlywiki, but will try again in 12 hours.

I am very happy with the choice of discourse for a range or reasons 

Regards
Tones
On Wednesday, 18 August 2021 at 14:16:10 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> A video from the community call as well as slides are now available at the 
> new community forum:
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/aug-17th-2021-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/28
>
> You will also find a thread there in the Plugins section for feedback on 
> the beta release of the FileUploads plugin.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Community Call and File Uploads Plugin

[Saq Imtiaz]

A video from the community call as well as slides are now available at the 
new community forum:
https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/aug-17th-2021-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/28

You will also find a thread there in the Plugins section for feedback on 
the beta release of the FileUploads plugin.

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Community Call and File Uploads Plugin

[Finn Lancaster]

Sounds great! I'll try my best to be there, although I have school at that 
time. Looking forward to seeing what @Saq, Jeremy, and everyone else have 
to say. Particularly related to the migration from GoogleGroups!

On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 9:10:56 AM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just to add that an additional topic we intend to discuss is the start of 
> a plan to migrate from Google Groups. We’ll give more details then,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 17:36, Boris Mann  wrote:
>
>> Yes, it's hard to fit Europe, west coast North American, and Australian 
>> timezones in one slot -- sorry about that!
>>
>> Yes, the session will be recorded.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 6:28:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Given
>>> Converted Time Sydney, NSW, Australia 
>>> 
>>> 2:00 am AEST 
>>> Wednesday, 18 August 2021
>>>
>>> I am not sure I will make it, perhaps in a follow-up one. If possible if 
>>> you can publish a recording after it would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> This subject means a lot to me. If I may share these points in advance 
>>> for consideration.
>>>
>>>
>>>- The provision of serial editing (one use after the other) through 
>>>check in and check out mechanisms, for all saver mechanism's.  This 
>>> would 
>>>be the quickest route to supporting multi-users/teams on tiddlywiki
>>>- It is quite easy to change the filename of a saved tiddlywiki, say 
>>>on php and tw-reciever. it seems to be the save technology can already 
>>> save 
>>>files to hosts. It seems to be we need to open this up to trusted users 
>>>with the appropriate credentials so for example
>>>   - A single file tiddlywiki could save the changes made by one 
>>>   user only, in an independent file (delta backup). Then either the 
>>>  - owner can import all user contributions and apply them to 
>>>  the master copy, 
>>>  - or users can recover their current state by loading their 
>>>  own file of changes (delta backup) from the host ). 
>>>  - or both 
>>>  - Contention and overwrites can be handled by the wiki 
>>>  designer or interactively.
>>>   - Designers could write information or logs to the host file 
>>>   system from the tiddlywiki, acknowledging all permitted users have 
>>> file 
>>>   update rights. This would allow survey answers, to be saved, comments 
>>> etc...
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 04:02:41 UTC+10 bo...@fission.codes wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the kind words, Saq. It's been great working with you and 
 Jeremy and I'm happy to support you and the community.

 I'd really like some open discussion around how the TiddlyWiki 
 community can use and rally around Open Collective. I'm personally _very_ 
 inspired by the organization and the promise it has over time -- and where 
 it is at today. Their recent blog post is a very good read 
 https://blog.opencollective.com/solidarity-as-our-guiding-principle/. 
 I'll quote part of the post:

 *Technology Owned by the People*
 *Open Collective is part of a movement for start-ups and tech platforms 
 become to become owned by their users and stakeholders, called “exit to 
 community” or E2C. Learn more about this community interested in community 
 control and governance here. We don’t know exactly what the future holds, 
 but OCF, grounded in perspectives of solidarity, will be a key influence 
 on 
 the future of the Open Collective platform as a commons.*

 In short, I've been working with open source software and communities 
 for 2 decades now. I'm more convinced than ever that we can "Build 
 Software 
 Together" and that Open Collective is a tool that can be used by 
 communities to pool funds towards common goals.

 This experiment with the file uploads plugin has lead directly to 
 having Saq spend time working on a more solid foundation for core TW 
 architecture. Can we continue this? Can we get more small and large 
 projects and people funded through OC?

 On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:33:18 PM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> We will be having a *TiddlyWiki Community call* with Jeremy, Boris 
> and myself on August 17th at 6pm CET: TiddlyWiki Community: Core 
> Savers & Syncers, Upload Plugin, & Community Forum - Zoom 
> 
>
> I hope some of you will be able to join us for what I think will be a 
> very interesting discussion. Please register for the event at the link 
> above.
>
> The call will include:
>
>- a progress update on my work on the *Uploads plugin* funded by 
>Open Collective
>- a summary of some rather exciting and promising avenues for core 

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Community Call and File Uploads Plugin

[Jeremy Ruston]

Just to add that an additional topic we intend to discuss is the start of a
plan to migrate from Google Groups. We’ll give more details then,

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 17:36, Boris Mann  wrote:

> Yes, it's hard to fit Europe, west coast North American, and Australian
> timezones in one slot -- sorry about that!
>
> Yes, the session will be recorded.
>
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 6:28:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Given
>> Converted Time Sydney, NSW, Australia
>> 
>> 2:00 am AEST 
>> Wednesday, 18 August 2021
>>
>> I am not sure I will make it, perhaps in a follow-up one. If possible if
>> you can publish a recording after it would be appreciated.
>>
>> This subject means a lot to me. If I may share these points in advance
>> for consideration.
>>
>>
>>- The provision of serial editing (one use after the other) through
>>check in and check out mechanisms, for all saver mechanism's.  This would
>>be the quickest route to supporting multi-users/teams on tiddlywiki
>>- It is quite easy to change the filename of a saved tiddlywiki, say
>>on php and tw-reciever. it seems to be the save technology can already 
>> save
>>files to hosts. It seems to be we need to open this up to trusted users
>>with the appropriate credentials so for example
>>   - A single file tiddlywiki could save the changes made by one user
>>   only, in an independent file (delta backup). Then either the
>>  - owner can import all user contributions and apply them to the
>>  master copy,
>>  - or users can recover their current state by loading their own
>>  file of changes (delta backup) from the host ).
>>  - or both
>>  - Contention and overwrites can be handled by the wiki designer
>>  or interactively.
>>   - Designers could write information or logs to the host file
>>   system from the tiddlywiki, acknowledging all permitted users have file
>>   update rights. This would allow survey answers, to be saved, comments 
>> etc...
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 04:02:41 UTC+10 bo...@fission.codes wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words, Saq. It's been great working with you and
>>> Jeremy and I'm happy to support you and the community.
>>>
>>> I'd really like some open discussion around how the TiddlyWiki community
>>> can use and rally around Open Collective. I'm personally _very_ inspired by
>>> the organization and the promise it has over time -- and where it is at
>>> today. Their recent blog post is a very good read
>>> https://blog.opencollective.com/solidarity-as-our-guiding-principle/.
>>> I'll quote part of the post:
>>>
>>> *Technology Owned by the People*
>>> *Open Collective is part of a movement for start-ups and tech platforms
>>> become to become owned by their users and stakeholders, called “exit to
>>> community” or E2C. Learn more about this community interested in community
>>> control and governance here. We don’t know exactly what the future holds,
>>> but OCF, grounded in perspectives of solidarity, will be a key influence on
>>> the future of the Open Collective platform as a commons.*
>>>
>>> In short, I've been working with open source software and communities
>>> for 2 decades now. I'm more convinced than ever that we can "Build Software
>>> Together" and that Open Collective is a tool that can be used by
>>> communities to pool funds towards common goals.
>>>
>>> This experiment with the file uploads plugin has lead directly to having
>>> Saq spend time working on a more solid foundation for core TW architecture.
>>> Can we continue this? Can we get more small and large projects and people
>>> funded through OC?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:33:18 PM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We will be having a *TiddlyWiki Community call* with Jeremy, Boris and
 myself on August 17th at 6pm CET: TiddlyWiki Community: Core Savers &
 Syncers, Upload Plugin, & Community Forum - Zoom
 

 I hope some of you will be able to join us for what I think will be a
 very interesting discussion. Please register for the event at the link
 above.

 The call will include:

- a progress update on my work on the *Uploads plugin* funded by
Open Collective
- a summary of some rather exciting and promising avenues for core
development in the areas of *Savers and Syncers* that has come out
of discussions around the Uploads plugin
- an update on the *Open Collective* model for funding TiddlyWiki
work and what we have learned from it thus far
- some news from Jeremy and Boris regarding improvements to
TiddlyWiki *community infrastructure*.

 I have been slowly working away on the TiddlyWiki file uploads plugin as
 was