Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Thanks will in a bit On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: Yahoo has problems try http://n4iqt.com/simloran/ Stanley - Original Message From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion - Original Message From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:06:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion Won't work completely different. I built a very simple loran c sim and the docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it looks like the infos gone. snip Paul, It's still at: http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/ If you look for WB8-TSL LORAN C simulator it is still there. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Stanley, The new link does indeed work. Thanks On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:59 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks will in a bit On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: Yahoo has problems try http://n4iqt.com/simloran/ Stanley - Original Message From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion - Original Message From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:06:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion Won't work completely different. I built a very simple loran c sim and the docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it looks like the infos gone. snip Paul, It's still at: http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/ If you look for WB8-TSL LORAN C simulator it is still there. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
I'll be, I missed it US and Canadian Loran C shut down 1 Aug.. So either you pick up Europe or build a loran c sim. Regards On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stanley, The new link does indeed work. Thanks On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:59 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks will in a bit On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: Yahoo has problems try http://n4iqt.com/simloran/ Stanley - Original Message From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion - Original Message From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:06:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion Won't work completely different. I built a very simple loran c sim and the docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it looks like the infos gone. snip Paul, It's still at: http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/ If you look for WB8-TSL LORAN C simulator it is still there. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
I'll be, I missed it US and Canadian Loran C shut down 1 Aug.. So either you pick up Europe or build a loran c sim. Regards On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be, I missed it US and Canadian Loran C shut down 1 Aug.. So either you pick up Europe or build a loran c sim. Regards On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stanley, The new link does indeed work. Thanks On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:59 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks will in a bit On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: Yahoo has problems try http://n4iqt.com/simloran/ Stanley - Original Message From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion - Original Message From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:06:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion Won't work completely different. I built a very simple loran c sim and the docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it looks like the infos gone. snip Paul, It's still at: http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/ If you look for WB8-TSL LORAN C simulator it is still there. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
That would explain why my 2100T hasn't worked since I got back from vacation. When the US chains shut down, the commerce department said it would continue those stations that serviced Canada (because of treaties), until November 2010. I guess Canada decided it didn't need that long. I tried during the deliberation process to put some input into the system, but it was refused because I only used the frequency and timing services. The powers that be were only interested in how shutting down Loran would affect the transportation industry. I wonder if they had a clue about how many small businesses they were going to impact when they shut down? -Chuck Harris paul swed wrote: I'll be, I missed it US and Canadian Loran C shut down 1 Aug.. So either you pick up Europe or build a loran c sim. Regards On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, paul swedpaulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stanley, The new link does indeed work. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Don't think any of it mattered. The goal was to save the operating costs to show that we are thrifty bunch in government. I was caught a bit off guard I did check my references/standards in late July even early august. Had looked for notices and missed them. Would have taken final checks. Oh well. I am looking forward to listening for Europe and perhaps even getting a lock in the winter. It simply will not be as it was anyhow. Long path distortions. At least the austrons can be used as very very nice frequency comparators. Regards. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: That would explain why my 2100T hasn't worked since I got back from vacation. When the US chains shut down, the commerce department said it would continue those stations that serviced Canada (because of treaties), until November 2010. I guess Canada decided it didn't need that long. I tried during the deliberation process to put some input into the system, but it was refused because I only used the frequency and timing services. The powers that be were only interested in how shutting down Loran would affect the transportation industry. I wonder if they had a clue about how many small businesses they were going to impact when they shut down? -Chuck Harris paul swed wrote: I'll be, I missed it US and Canadian Loran C shut down 1 Aug.. So either you pick up Europe or build a loran c sim. Regards On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, paul swedpaulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stanley, The new link does indeed work. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Whether they realize or not isn't the issue. They simply don't give a crap. They don't have to. They are the government. -John === That would explain why my 2100T hasn't worked since I got back from vacation. When the US chains shut down, the commerce department said it would continue those stations that serviced Canada (because of treaties), until November 2010. I guess Canada decided it didn't need that long. I tried during the deliberation process to put some input into the system, but it was refused because I only used the frequency and timing services. The powers that be were only interested in how shutting down Loran would affect the transportation industry. I wonder if they had a clue about how many small businesses they were going to impact when they shut down? -Chuck Harris paul swed wrote: I'll be, I missed it US and Canadian Loran C shut down 1 Aug.. So either you pick up Europe or build a loran c sim. Regards On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, paul swedpaulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stanley, The new link does indeed work. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
On 10/04/2010 11:29 PM, Oz-in-DFW wrote: My understanding is that the shutdown was a purely political decision. USCG couldn't tell the politicians that people will die so it was a savings to be achieved. Given the shutdown costs it will take a few years to break even - so it's actually more expensive in the short run. I heard this weekend that they have already demo'd the Boise City tower because no other agency wanted it. The Alaska tower downing video was nice... pass the chips, will ya? Oh, I do care... but can't really do anything about it, so I guess I just will have to enjoy the ride like the rest of us. I'll keep fooling around with this GPS thingie while we still have it. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
There was a post a couple of days after the shutdown that they had blown up an antenna tower, as I remember. -John = My understanding is that the shutdown was a purely political decision. USCG couldn't tell the politicians that people will die so it was a savings to be achieved. Given the shutdown costs it will take a few years to break even - so it's actually more expensive in the short run. I heard this weekend that they have already demo'd the Boise City tower because no other agency wanted it. On 10/4/2010 3:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Whether they realize or not isn't the issue. They simply don't give a crap. They don't have to. They are the government. -John -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Yes that was in alaska it was on the news. 1200ft down in a few seconds. They blew it up because it has a very grave structural issue. I suspect given a drop of time that will be the fate of all the towers. Hmmm now whats happening with those nasty HP Cesiums?? On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:53 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: There was a post a couple of days after the shutdown that they had blown up an antenna tower, as I remember. -John = My understanding is that the shutdown was a purely political decision. USCG couldn't tell the politicians that people will die so it was a savings to be achieved. Given the shutdown costs it will take a few years to break even - so it's actually more expensive in the short run. I heard this weekend that they have already demo'd the Boise City tower because no other agency wanted it. On 10/4/2010 3:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Whether they realize or not isn't the issue. They simply don't give a crap. They don't have to. They are the government. -John -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
NOW THAT IS AN INTERESTING THOUGHT! What the government has done by this order consists of a taking of property. We should be able to file for compensation for the loss of use of all of our expensive timing equipment. They got around that issue with televisions by giving rebates on set top converters. To get the rebate you had to sign a form... that's always a bad sign. -Chuck Harris J. Forster wrote: Maybe we should ship all the old Austrons and other LORAN stuff to the Chairpol in charge of the Coast Guard, collect. -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
It may be a bit late, but are any Lawyer - Time-Nuts out there? :)) -John NOW THAT IS AN INTERESTING THOUGHT! What the government has done by this order consists of a taking of property. We should be able to file for compensation for the loss of use of all of our expensive timing equipment. They got around that issue with televisions by giving rebates on set top converters. To get the rebate you had to sign a form... that's always a bad sign. -Chuck Harris J. Forster wrote: Maybe we should ship all the old Austrons and other LORAN stuff to the Chairpol in charge of the Coast Guard, collect. -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Loran c quite from europe on 80 mtr1/4 wave vert and active antenna. Boo whooo On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: It may be a bit late, but are any Lawyer - Time-Nuts out there? :)) -John NOW THAT IS AN INTERESTING THOUGHT! What the government has done by this order consists of a taking of property. We should be able to file for compensation for the loss of use of all of our expensive timing equipment. They got around that issue with televisions by giving rebates on set top converters. To get the rebate you had to sign a form... that's always a bad sign. -Chuck Harris J. Forster wrote: Maybe we should ship all the old Austrons and other LORAN stuff to the Chairpol in charge of the Coast Guard, collect. -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
No not compatible. But check Paul Swedberg's Loran simulator here: http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/ Stanley - Original Message From: Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com To: time-nuts-requ...@febo.com time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:19:02 PM Subject: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion List, To provide a cross-check to my Lucent GPS, I recently bought a AUSTRON MODEL 2100F (bad) as I was unaware the Loran C had been shut down. But the price was $100 (good). The question becomes if it I can convert it to 60 KHz reception will it recognize the time codes and get a stable reference frequency? Or do I now own a nice piece of history? Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Won't work completely different. I built a very simple loran c sim and the docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it looks like the infos gone. The sim allows you to at least the 2100f as a very nice phase comparator between two sources. You have the canadian 59300 chain available for I think 26 more days. I have not fired my 2100f up to check. Maybe tomorrow. Regards On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:50 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I think not. It seems about the only feasable conversion for 2100Fs is into a door stop or book end. WWVB is a CW carrier tracking system. LORAN is a differential pulse spacing system. -John == List, To provide a cross-check to my Lucent GPS, I recently bought a AUSTRON MODEL 2100F (bad) as I was unaware the Loran C had been shut down. But the price was $100 (good). The question becomes if it I can convert it to 60 KHz reception will it recognize the time codes and get a stable reference frequency? Or do I now own a nice piece of history? Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
- Original Message From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:06:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion Won't work completely different. I built a very simple loran c sim and the docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it looks like the infos gone. snip Paul, It's still at: http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/ If you look for WB8-TSL LORAN C simulator it is still there. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
Yahoo has problems try http://n4iqt.com/simloran/ Stanley - Original Message From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion - Original Message From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:06:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion Won't work completely different. I built a very simple loran c sim and the docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it looks like the infos gone. snip Paul, It's still at: http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/ If you look for WB8-TSL LORAN C simulator it is still there. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
