Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
On 7/10/2011 4:10 PM, Hal Murray wrote: omni...@gmail.com said: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 From their web page: The power reserve is 52 hours, and the watch is actually very accurate at about plus or minus 4 seconds a day. 4 seconds per day? I'd expected better from a very expensive watch. Are belts nasty when it comes to keeping good time? I wear a $50 watch that is a radio controlled atomic watch. Less than 1/2 a second off at any time, it's plenty good enough for normal human affairs. It's the only watch (so far) that I found to be satisfyingly accurate. I use it as my ship's chronometer when I drive and potentially have to use one of Chicago's parking pay boxes or to deliberately time my arrival into a free parking spot that depends on timing to get. (i.e. the school zone parking tactic) 4 seconds off a day? If it's a Rolex, I'd (understandably) be PISSED!!! I'd expect a watch that damn expensive to be off less than the 5 milliseconds to grab the WWVB signal! After all, isn't the whole purpose of a watch is to keep time? Unless, I suppose, you really want the bling factor... (and I'm not into bling) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
On 7/10/2011 6:33 AM, Raj wrote: To me when someone tells me a time of day the first thing I visualize is the clock hands and not numbers. I suspect the present gen visualize numbers. They must have trouble with 60 minutes in the hour.. a quarter past six and such.. I'm 48 years old and prefer digital. Why? Analog clocks are such that a little play is found with the minute hand. That means that if you calibrate it to be accurate (within the limitation of the movement) on one side of the hour it will lose or gain a minute on the other side due to the play in that needle on the gauge. Digital completely eliminates the play found with the minute needle. Note that the play comes into, well, play, if the clock is mounted vertically on a wall and is a decent large size. An analog watch will not have the problem nor will a clock with 3 separate stepper engines for each of the 3 needed gauge needles. (or at least 2 steppers and gears for the hour needle with direct drive for the second and minute needles) The typical wall clock will have one stepper engine and and gears for the minute and hour needles on the gauge with direct drive for the seconds needle. Therein lies a source of the play with the minutes needle. What's a measly minute off? Well, we all know! :) If you want a watch with some bling to it, try a Citizen Skyhawk series analog watch. These gems are radio controlled so it'll be less than half a second off at any time and are a little blingy (and a little expensive like $300). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
On 7/10/2011 5:04 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago, I pick a young engineer (quite digitally oriented, may I say) to go somewhere. He saw the three gauges in the central console (oil pressure, analog clock, and battery), pointed to the center one (the clock) and asked me: and what does this one measures? I was quite surprised by the question... :) Put that bloke in the engineroom of a ship and he'd be COMPLETELY lost looking at the dash. :) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
I'd love to find a Smiths analogue clock to match the gauges in the dash of my old British car! On Jul 16, 2011, at 10:56, Michael Poulos poulo...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/10/2011 5:04 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago, I pick a young engineer (quite digitally oriented, may I say) to go somewhere. He saw the three gauges in the central console (oil pressure, analog clock, and battery), pointed to the center one (the clock) and asked me: and what does this one measures? I was quite surprised by the question... :) Put that bloke in the engineroom of a ship and he'd be COMPLETELY lost looking at the dash. :) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
On 7/9/2011 10:18 PM, Raj wrote: I dont wear a watch since 25 years or more. Plenty of clocks around and now will cell phone and other personal devices all have clocks. Watch it. Those clocks on the cell phones are consistently slow compared to a WWVB watch. The time clocks where I work which have a phone connection to an (real deal) atomic clock are one second slow compared to my WWVB watch. At the end of the day I supply a countdown taking into account the one second off. The second off is due to digital delay in the system. It's about like having my own time clock except I can't punch in or out with the watch. Can't have EVERYTHING! But you are right about the plentiful number of clocks around, most being less than a minute off, usually slow. For years I didn't wear a watch until I got a WWVB watch. I was never happy with watches until I got that one due to inaccuracy. I want my watch to be exact. (OK, less than half a second off) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
Javier shouldn't have been surprised! This level of understanding from the so-called smartest people who have ever lived, is quite common. Not too long ago I was checking the references of a young man who had just earned a master's degree in mechanical engineering. I was assured by one of his professors that you can ask him to do just about anything. And when asked to analyze deflection of a beam he presented me with an 18 page mathematical analysis. A few weeks later I found him in the tool room with a puzzled expression on his face. Do you have a question? Lee, how do they put threads on the inside of a hole? Lee (the person who does have an HP3801 but who uses the average presented by three Big Ben Alarm clocks for working time) - Original Message - From: bownes bow...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? I'd love to find a Smiths analogue clock to match the gauges in the dash of my old British car! On Jul 16, 2011, at 10:56, Michael Poulos poulo...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/10/2011 5:04 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago, I pick a young engineer (quite digitally oriented, may I say) to go somewhere. He saw the three gauges in the central console (oil pressure, analog clock, and battery), pointed to the center one (the clock) and asked me: and what does this one measures? I was quite surprised by the question... :) Put that bloke in the engineroom of a ship and he'd be COMPLETELY lost looking at the dash. :) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
This watch is not quartz, it is fully mechanical with a balance wheel. What is the temperature profile of a mechanical balance wheel? That seems like something at least one time-nut would have good data on. Graphs of offset vs temperature for crystals are readily available. For the typical watch crystal, it's a parabola pointing down with the top at roughly body temperature. For a typical (low cost) PC crystal, it's a squiggle: up, down, up. The slope of the down part depends on the angle of the crystal cut. The specs say (roughly) within X PPM for voltage within V and temperature with T. The V and T form a box. Some engineer gets to figure out the tradeoff between angle, accuracy, testing, mumble, whatever works to get it within the box. -- I wonder how well the human oven works in maintaining the environment of a watch xtal or balance wheel, assuming the watch is worn 24x7. I don't have any good sociological data, but I've seen reports that watches work much better if worn 24x7 rather than placed on a night stand while sleeping. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
My (non-chronometer) Breitling A17045 which came back from a service in May is running at about 1 seconds slow per day over a month (it is about a month since I last checked against the GPS, and it is about 25s slow). However I think this is far better than should be expected Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: 11 July 2011 06:13 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? 4 seconds per day? I'd expected better from a very expensive watch. Are belts nasty when it comes to keeping good time? No, it shouldn't have nothing to do with the belts, as they're the same as timing belts, or toothed belts, and would work the same as gear teeth. The accuracy will come from the balance wheel arrangement, and with all the jewels (bearings), one would think it would sure move free. However, keeping in mind they said they were ball bearings, I would say each uses at least four jewel balls to a bearing, and that is where the majority of them is used up. I would think that it all goes back to the balance wheel and the escapement, or type of, as to any accuracy issues, unless of course the belts do slip somehow, but they shouldn't. I didn't get a good look at the balance wheel to see what type of temperature compesation it used, if any. I wasn't worried about the belts jumping a cog. It was more a secondary (tertiary?) quirk of the loading not being constant over temperature, or something like that, and the loading having minor impacts on the overall timekeeping. (I was assuming the belts were at the hour level rather than the second level.) The other obvious question is: what is good accuracy for a modern watch, and what is very good for an expensive watch. 1 second per day is 11 PPM. I'm not calibrated on mechanical balance wheels. I'm pretty sure the mechanical watch my grandparents gave me many many years ago (high school graduation) was better than 4 seconds per day. (I wasn't a certified time-nut back then, but I think I would have noticed something like that.) I wonder if I can still find it. The crystals on my PCs are ballpark of 1 PPM per C. I'd expect a watch crystal to be tuned to human temperature environments and be better than that. I guess I'll have to get setup to collect some data. 4 seconds per day would be great if it were guaranteed over a wide temperature range, but that web page didn't mention anything about temperature. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
Hal, *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/10/2011 at 10:12 PM Hal Murray wrote: 4 seconds per day? I'd expected better from a very expensive watch. Are belts nasty when it comes to keeping good time? No, it shouldn't have nothing to do with the belts, as they're the same as timing belts, or toothed belts, and would work the same as gear teeth. The accuracy will come from the balance wheel arrangement, and with all the jewels (bearings), one would think it would sure move free. However, keeping in mind they said they were ball bearings, I would say each uses at least four jewel balls to a bearing, and that is where the majority of them is used up. I would think that it all goes back to the balance wheel and the escapement, or type of, as to any accuracy issues, unless of course the belts do slip somehow, but they shouldn't. I didn't get a good look at the balance wheel to see what type of temperature compesation it used, if any. I wasn't worried about the belts jumping a cog. It was more a secondary (tertiary?) quirk of the loading not being constant over temperature, or something like that, and the loading having minor impacts on the overall timekeeping. (I was assuming the belts were at the hour level rather than the second level.) Well, they said they had wire cores in the belts, and I would say that this is over not just strengthening the belt, but controlling expansion and contraction. Contraction could load a cogged wheel more, however, they mounted them on ball bearings, or I think most were, and that should keep them from binding less than one would one a single ruby. The other obvious question is: what is good accuracy for a modern watch, and what is very good for an expensive watch. 1 second per day is 11 PPM. According to one website, a certified mechanical chronometers best is about +/- 1 second per day, and typical is +/- 3. http://www.chronocentric.com/watches/accuracy.shtml I'm not calibrated on mechanical balance wheels. I'm pretty sure the mechanical watch my grandparents gave me many many years ago (high school graduation) was better than 4 seconds per day. (I wasn't a certified time-nut back then, but I think I would have noticed something like that.) I wonder if I can still find it. The crystals on my PCs are ballpark of 1 PPM per C. I'd expect a watch crystal to be tuned to human temperature environments and be better than that. I guess I'll have to get setup to collect some data. 4 seconds per day would be great if it were guaranteed over a wide temperature range, but that web page didn't mention anything about temperature. The only thing mentioned, I think, was maybe the balance wheel's material (Glucydur). I looked again, and noticed it didn't have any eccentric screw-weights about the wheel, for fine tuning it, or it didn't look to have more that one or two at the most, as it's hard to see the thing. It's pretty thin to, which probably is why it has no screws. It did look to be split though, like it should be, for a change in it's diamtater when the temp. rises. The thing is, for the price, and man can buy a certified chronagraph, with a tourbillion escapement, for less than this costs. To me, the belt design, which was used so they could place the extra hands around the face where they wanted them, is a novelty, and not really built to be an exact time keeper, like a tourbillion would be. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5851 (20110206) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Best, Will ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?
There's a good writeup on accuracy on wikipedia- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COSC includes a handy table comparing mechanical movement and quartz movement requirements. To be considered a chronometer, the daily rate must be within -4 to +6 secs/day. The stability of the rate over time is more important than the actual rate. (Interestingly- any quartz watch or clock I have is much more accurate than my Hamilton Model 21 ship's chronometer!- a video of one of these beauties- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We1dLNXiBj0) -- Paul Nelson W5GNF When I go, I want to go quietly, in my Ames, Iowa sleep, like my grandfather- not Senior Engineer (Retired) screaming, like his passengers. Sauer-Danfoss Company (drhy...@qwest.net) More hay, Trigger? ex-Cessna 140 N77149 (sigh) No thanks, Roy, I'm stuffed. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Been reading the mail and I do use a watch. Not sure if thats good or bad. But it is indeed amazing how well modern time pieces work. A $5 Timex with large battery that will run 5 years is a reality. How accurate is it? Good enough not to worry between time changes. By the way I also have a number of circa 1900 watches that still tick and have had far more expensive watches. Have to say as nice as the expensive watch looked and how well it ran, unfortunately it lasted about 7 years. It was a disappointment But a really nice looking watch. Regards Paul. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Paul Nelson drhy...@qwest.net wrote: There's a good writeup on accuracy on wikipedia- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**COSC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COSC includes a handy table comparing mechanical movement and quartz movement requirements. To be considered a chronometer, the daily rate must be within -4 to +6 secs/day. The stability of the rate over time is more important than the actual rate. (Interestingly- any quartz watch or clock I have is much more accurate than my Hamilton Model 21 ship's chronometer!- a video of one of these beauties- http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=We1dLNXiBj0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We1dLNXiBj0 ) -- Paul Nelson W5GNF When I go, I want to go quietly, in my Ames, Iowa sleep, like my grandfather- not Senior Engineer (Retired) screaming, like his passengers. Sauer-Danfoss Company (drhy...@qwest.net) More hay, Trigger? ex-Cessna 140 N77149 (sigh) No thanks, Roy, I'm stuffed. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I want one!! Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Darlington Sent: 10 July 2011 6:47 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? Okay guys, I saw a very strange timepiece when I was out shopping. If it wasn't $17k I'd consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PwJCzetTCI Interesting concept, looks good. On a side note, earlier today a friend gave me an Accutron 214 from 1965 that previously belonged to his father. Cool stuff. It needs servicing and cleaning as I can see what looks like minor corrosion inside while looking into the battery compartment. Greenish flaky stuff on the brass inside. -Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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You'd need one for both wrists and learn to look at the time on alternate watches or you'll end up with lop sided upper arm muscle growth. Who needs dumbbells when you can work out just by looking at the time :) I wonder what the average time for the novelty to wear out is on one of these. Steve PS. Well, it is time related. On 10 July 2011 17:47, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys, I saw a very strange timepiece when I was out shopping. If it wasn't $17k I'd consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PwJCzetTCI Interesting concept, looks good. On a side note, earlier today a friend gave me an Accutron 214 from 1965 that previously belonged to his father. Cool stuff. It needs servicing and cleaning as I can see what looks like minor corrosion inside while looking into the battery compartment. Greenish flaky stuff on the brass inside. -Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I still wear my Tag Heuer F1 midsize from back in the 80's. Although I'm on my second plastic bezel, the first wore so bad it eventually dropped off, and I have been through countless straps, the sapphire crystal is as good today as the first day I got it. They just don't seem to scratch at all, l but I understand that they can chip if hit hard enough, which still surprises me given the rough treatment my watch has gone through. OK, I'm a heathen for having a quartz watch, but it still keeps good time and it's light enough not to cause wrist ache. Steve On 9 July 2011 07:09, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: I too love wearing a wrist watch Since I am always working with machines, I tend to scar my watches up quite a bit... therefor I tend to wear cheap watches... my current favorite is a Russian automatic dive watch that I picked up on ebay for $60. I only wear automatic winding mechanical watches. They are more than accurate enough to help me plot my way through life. Speidel Twist-O-Flex bands are the only type worth wearing in my opinion. -Chuck Harris William H. Fite wrote: Bravo, Rob. I thought I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness in support of watches. My beater is an Omega Seamaster that goes everywhere and does everything all the time. My others tend to sit in their rocker boxes and seldom get worn. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago, I pick a young engineer (quite digitally oriented, may I say) to go somewhere. He saw the three gauges in the central console (oil pressure, analog clock, and battery), pointed to the center one (the clock) and asked me: and what does this one measures? I was quite surprised by the question... :) Regards, Javier El 10/07/2011 05:18, Raj escribió: I dont wear a watch since 25 years or more. Plenty of clocks around and now will cell phone and other personal devices all have clocks. Analog generation *know* the time from the position of the clock hands. By the position of the hands you know how many minutes left to an appointment etc. IF you ask them the time then it will take a moment to convert it to words! My daughter just cannot read a mechanical clock! She get along fine. I had problem with a slide rule but I was saved by the scientific calculator! Cheers ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I got to tell ya Javier, I am deeply troubled by this report. BillWB6BNQ Javier Herrero wrote: My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago, I pick a young engineer (quite digitally oriented, may I say) to go somewhere. He saw the three gauges in the central console (oil pressure, analog clock, and battery), pointed to the center one (the clock) and asked me: and what does this one measures? I was quite surprised by the question... :) Regards, Javier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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To me when someone tells me a time of day the first thing I visualize is the clock hands and not numbers. I suspect the present gen visualize numbers. They must have trouble with 60 minutes in the hour.. a quarter past six and such.. At 10-07-2011, you wrote: Apparently for those who grew up in the analog clock era and only had analog clocks around when they were little the mental processing involved in reading and understanding the time from an analog clock face is deeper and different from the mental processes involved in dealing with the time in digits... which was a later learned skill and seems to take more or at least different parts of the brain. -- Raj, VU2ZAP Bangalore, India. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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My comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Novelty value only. I'm sure about a day wearing that would be enough for most mortals. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: 10 July 2011 10:28 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? You'd need one for both wrists and learn to look at the time on alternate watches or you'll end up with lop sided upper arm muscle growth. Who needs dumbbells when you can work out just by looking at the time :) I wonder what the average time for the novelty to wear out is on one of these. Steve PS. Well, it is time related. On 10 July 2011 17:47, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys, I saw a very strange timepiece when I was out shopping. If it wasn't $17k I'd consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PwJCzetTCI Interesting concept, looks good. On a side note, earlier today a friend gave me an Accutron 214 from 1965 that previously belonged to his father. Cool stuff. It needs servicing and cleaning as I can see what looks like minor corrosion inside while looking into the battery compartment. Greenish flaky stuff on the brass inside. -Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Re sapphire crystals, my Tisot Titanium has a Saphire crystal and after approx 13 years still has not scratched. It aslo keeps reasonably accurate time (with a few seconds per month.) - Original Message From: Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 2:54:26 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? I still wear my Tag Heuer F1 midsize from back in the 80's. Although I'm on my second plastic bezel, the first wore so bad it eventually dropped off, and I have been through countless straps, the sapphire crystal is as good today as the first day I got it. They just don't seem to scratch at all, l but I understand that they can chip if hit hard enough, which still surprises me given the rough treatment my watch has gone through. OK, I'm a heathen for having a quartz watch, but it still keeps good time and it's light enough not to cause wrist ache. Steve On 9 July 2011 07:09, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: I too love wearing a wrist watch Since I am always working with machines, I tend to scar my watches up quite a bit... therefor I tend to wear cheap watches... my current favorite is a Russian automatic dive watch that I picked up on ebay for $60. I only wear automatic winding mechanical watches. They are more than accurate enough to help me plot my way through life. Speidel Twist-O-Flex bands are the only type worth wearing in my opinion. -Chuck Harris William H. Fite wrote: Bravo, Rob. I thought I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness in support of watches. My beater is an Omega Seamaster that goes everywhere and does everything all the time. My others tend to sit in their rocker boxes and seldom get worn. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.comwrote: My comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Novelty value only. I'm sure about a day wearing that would be enough for most mortals. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: 10 July 2011 10:28 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? You'd need one for both wrists and learn to look at the time on alternate watches or you'll end up with lop sided upper arm muscle growth. Who needs dumbbells when you can work out just by looking at the time :) I wonder what the average time for the novelty to wear out is on one of these. Steve PS. Well, it is time related. On 10 July 2011 17:47, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys, I saw a very strange timepiece when I was out shopping. If it wasn't $17k I'd consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PwJCzetTCI Interesting concept, looks good. On a side note, earlier today a friend gave me an Accutron 214 from 1965 that previously belonged to his father. Cool stuff. It needs servicing and cleaning as I can see what looks like minor corrosion inside while looking into the battery compartment. Greenish flaky stuff on the brass inside. -Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Wow! On 11 July 2011 03:20, William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com wrote: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.comwrote: My comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Novelty value only. I'm sure about a day wearing that would be enough for most mortals. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: 10 July 2011 10:28 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? You'd need one for both wrists and learn to look at the time on alternate watches or you'll end up with lop sided upper arm muscle growth. Who needs dumbbells when you can work out just by looking at the time :) I wonder what the average time for the novelty to wear out is on one of these. Steve PS. Well, it is time related. On 10 July 2011 17:47, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: Okay guys, I saw a very strange timepiece when I was out shopping. If it wasn't $17k I'd consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PwJCzetTCI Interesting concept, looks good. On a side note, earlier today a friend gave me an Accutron 214 from 1965 that previously belonged to his father. Cool stuff. It needs servicing and cleaning as I can see what looks like minor corrosion inside while looking into the battery compartment. Greenish flaky stuff on the brass inside. -Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Curious concept... with ball bearings and cam belts... eeer... transmission belts ;) El 10/07/2011 17:20, William H. Fite escribió: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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omni...@gmail.com said: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 From their web page: The power reserve is 52 hours, and the watch is actually very accurate at about plus or minus 4 seconds a day. 4 seconds per day? I'd expected better from a very expensive watch. Are belts nasty when it comes to keeping good time? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hal, No, it shouldn't have nothing to do with the belts, as they're the same as timing belts, or toothed belts, and would work the same as gear teeth. The accuracy will come from the balance wheel arrangement, and with all the jewels (bearings), one would think it would sure move free. However, keeping in mind they said they were ball bearings, I would say each uses at least four jewel balls to a bearing, and that is where the majority of them is used up. I would think that it all goes back to the balance wheel and the escapement, or type of, as to any accuracy issues, unless of course the belts do slip somehow, but they shouldn't. I didn't get a good look at the balance wheel to see what type of temperature compesation it used, if any. Best, Will *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/10/2011 at 2:10 PM Hal Murray wrote: omni...@gmail.com said: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 From their web page: The power reserve is 52 hours, and the watch is actually very accurate at about plus or minus 4 seconds a day. 4 seconds per day? I'd expected better from a very expensive watch. Are belts nasty when it comes to keeping good time? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5851 (20110206) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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4 seconds per day? I'd expected better from a very expensive watch. Are belts nasty when it comes to keeping good time? No, it shouldn't have nothing to do with the belts, as they're the same as timing belts, or toothed belts, and would work the same as gear teeth. The accuracy will come from the balance wheel arrangement, and with all the jewels (bearings), one would think it would sure move free. However, keeping in mind they said they were ball bearings, I would say each uses at least four jewel balls to a bearing, and that is where the majority of them is used up. I would think that it all goes back to the balance wheel and the escapement, or type of, as to any accuracy issues, unless of course the belts do slip somehow, but they shouldn't. I didn't get a good look at the balance wheel to see what type of temperature compesation it used, if any. I wasn't worried about the belts jumping a cog. It was more a secondary (tertiary?) quirk of the loading not being constant over temperature, or something like that, and the loading having minor impacts on the overall timekeeping. (I was assuming the belts were at the hour level rather than the second level.) The other obvious question is: what is good accuracy for a modern watch, and what is very good for an expensive watch. 1 second per day is 11 PPM. I'm not calibrated on mechanical balance wheels. I'm pretty sure the mechanical watch my grandparents gave me many many years ago (high school graduation) was better than 4 seconds per day. (I wasn't a certified time-nut back then, but I think I would have noticed something like that.) I wonder if I can still find it. The crystals on my PCs are ballpark of 1 PPM per C. I'd expect a watch crystal to be tuned to human temperature environments and be better than that. I guess I'll have to get setup to collect some data. 4 seconds per day would be great if it were guaranteed over a wide temperature range, but that web page didn't mention anything about temperature. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi Hal, On 11 July 2011 17:12, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: ... The crystals on my PCs are ballpark of 1 PPM per C. I'd expect a watch crystal to be tuned to human temperature environments and be better than that. I guess I'll have to get setup to collect some data. This watch is not quartz, it is fully mechanical with a balance wheel. 4 seconds per day would be great if it were guaranteed over a wide temperature range, but that web page didn't mention anything about temperature. I wonder how well the human oven works in maintaining the environment of a watch xtal or balance wheel, assuming the watch is worn 24x7. Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Bravo, Rob. I thought I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness in support of watches. My beater is an Omega Seamaster that goes everywhere and does everything all the time. My others tend to sit in their rocker boxes and seldom get worn. This was a very interesting thread. I have worn a watch for the last 50+ years and feel that something is missing without one. Even though my professional activities (to say nothing of hobby pursuits) mean I have to take it off from time to time I won't be without one. Looking at the time of a mobile phone or computer just isn't the same and you can't trust wall clocks you have no control over. There's nothing like the gesture of pushing up a sleeve to see it or the ability to glance at it surreptitiously during boring meetings :-) My current quotidian timepiece is a Longines quartz with an analog dial and a date window. It keeps very accurate time and the crystal is remarkably scratch resistant. I have a Forbes nixie watch too for appropriately nerdy occasions and an assortment of cheapies for travel. I was in the amazing clock museum in the Beijing Forbidden City recently. Has anyone else seen that? It houses an incredible collection of 18th and 19th century extreme high end clocks, from the collections of successive emperors. They are of course all mechanical ( or water powered) and some are of amazing complexity. One had a little automaton of a man sitting at a desk writing down the time! I also saw my first Congreve clock while I was over there. I am tempted to try and make a version of one if I ever get a year or three to spare... Cheers, Morris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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In the late 60s I had an inexpensive wristwatch with a cheap leather or plastic wristband. I did not want the enhanced conductivity if a metal band when working with vacuum tube circuits. Where I worked the only clock visible had been rigged to go backwards. But it did keep good time, which is more than I could say for my wristwatch. So I would check my watch, then get a vernier reading off the wall clock. Naturally I bought an Intel Microma when it became readily affordable. I learned about time from that. I was riding on a bus to the airport, realizing I should have been on a previous bus. The only activity possible at the time was estimating the probability of making my flight. At that point I had a revelation - the bit about the big hand and the little hand and visualizing subtended angles. So I had to do the math. No big deal, I didn't have anything better to do sitting in that bus. Over the years I've developed mental short cuts so I don't mess the hands. One learns how to do it much as one learns bicycle riding, skiing, or Morse code. I have one of those bass ackwards clocks on the wall of my home office, complete with Tektronix IDD logo. For completeness, the numbers are labeled in binary. Some years ago the dyslexic daughter of a neighbor happened upon that clock and called out the time instantly. Most folks have to think about it for a while before they can read the time on that clock. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I dont wear a watch since 25 years or more. Plenty of clocks around and now will cell phone and other personal devices all have clocks. Analog generation *know* the time from the position of the clock hands. By the position of the hands you know how many minutes left to an appointment etc. IF you ask them the time then it will take a moment to convert it to words! My daughter just cannot read a mechanical clock! She get along fine. I had problem with a slide rule but I was saved by the scientific calculator! Cheers -- Raj, VU2ZAP Bangalore, India. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I've not been to Beijing but the National Palace Museum in Taipei has some remarkable mechanical clocks, including water clocks. My Significant Other is Taiwanese and whenever I get smug there is nothing like a visit to the NPM to remind me that the Chinese were crafting breathtaking objets d'art and wonderfully functional machines when we arrogant Euro-Americans were still swinging by our tails from the trees. On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Morris Odell vilgo...@bigpond.net.auwrote: Bravo, Rob. I thought I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness in support of watches. My beater is an Omega Seamaster that goes everywhere and does everything all the time. My others tend to sit in their rocker boxes and seldom get worn. This was a very interesting thread. I have worn a watch for the last 50+ years and feel that something is missing without one. Even though my professional activities (to say nothing of hobby pursuits) mean I have to take it off from time to time I won't be without one. Looking at the time of a mobile phone or computer just isn't the same and you can't trust wall clocks you have no control over. There's nothing like the gesture of pushing up a sleeve to see it or the ability to glance at it surreptitiously during boring meetings :-) My current quotidian timepiece is a Longines quartz with an analog dial and a date window. It keeps very accurate time and the crystal is remarkably scratch resistant. I have a Forbes nixie watch too for appropriately nerdy occasions and an assortment of cheapies for travel. I was in the amazing clock museum in the Beijing Forbidden City recently. Has anyone else seen that? It houses an incredible collection of 18th and 19th century extreme high end clocks, from the collections of successive emperors. They are of course all mechanical ( or water powered) and some are of amazing complexity. One had a little automaton of a man sitting at a desk writing down the time! I also saw my first Congreve clock while I was over there. I am tempted to try and make a version of one if I ever get a year or three to spare... Cheers, Morris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 08:48:07AM +0530, Raj wrote: Analog generation *know* the time from the position of the clock hands. By the position of the hands you know how many minutes left to an appointment etc. IF you ask them the time then it will take a moment to convert it to words! I had occasion to observe two generations of extremely intelligent women in my family as they approached death and began to seriously lose mental acuity weeks or months before the end - both of them completely lost the ability to make any sense out of the time on a digital clock well before they died but were perfectly comfortably able to read and understand an analog clock with hands and numbers almost to the end. Apparently for those who grew up in the analog clock era and only had analog clocks around when they were little the mental processing involved in reading and understanding the time from an analog clock face is deeper and different from the mental processes involved in dealing with the time in digits... which was a later learned skill and seems to take more or at least different parts of the brain. So yes, one's fundamental mental model of the time may well be deeply enmeshed in the angles of the hands on a clock, rather than the abstractions of hours and minutes. I think little children do (or did) learn 3 O'clock as a pattern of hands on a clock face associated with a particular time of importance (time to take a nap or whatever) well before the abstractions of numbers, or hours and the significance of 3 hours after the meridian mean anything.How children in the digital age learn time is an interesting question... -- Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Okay guys, I saw a very strange timepiece when I was out shopping. If it wasn't $17k I'd consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PwJCzetTCI Interesting concept, looks good. On a side note, earlier today a friend gave me an Accutron 214 from 1965 that previously belonged to his father. Cool stuff. It needs servicing and cleaning as I can see what looks like minor corrosion inside while looking into the battery compartment. Greenish flaky stuff on the brass inside. -Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I see we are twin souls. Exactly the same :) Regards, Javier El 08/07/2011 17:19, John Green escribió: I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I normally don't. Use to but one day it stopped working and never got it repaired. But then I have 20+ clocks at home and a Nixie(R) clock on my desk at work. The only one I wear now on special events is a retirement gift to my grandfather when he retired in the the late 60's. How may factory workers get an engraved 17 jewel watch when they retire now days ? -pete On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:19 AM, John Green wpxs...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I worked at one time for an employer who give 35-year retirees a Rolex. That was about 20 years ago but I think they still do it. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.comwrote: I normally don't. Use to but one day it stopped working and never got it repaired. But then I have 20+ clocks at home and a Nixie(R) clock on my desk at work. The only one I wear now on special events is a retirement gift to my grandfather when he retired in the the late 60's. How may factory workers get an engraved 17 jewel watch when they retire now days ? -pete On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:19 AM, John Green wpxs...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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While I do sometimes wear a wristwatch, I find I normally don't. I usually use a stand alone clock of some sort, or the time display on my phone. As for Time Nut relevance, it's still true that you can get much better accuracy and precision for a given cost in a clock that most people would not find comfortable to wear (with all due respect to the Atomic Wrist Watch from TvB's web site :) ) as opposed to what most of the rest of us would consider wearable. That said, I think it's quite reasonable for time nuts to prefer to check the time with clocks that are not exactly wrist friendly. I do wish it was simpler to NTP synchronize the clock on my phone though. One nice thing about the CDMA phone I had years ago was that I knew the clock on the phone was going to be reasonably accurate. Time sync for GSM phones is not as nice. -- Russell At 5:32 PM +0200 2011/07/08, Javier Herrero wrote: I see we are twin souls. Exactly the same :) Regards, Javier El 08/07/2011 17:19, John Green escribió: I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Actually, that still happens quite a lot. A nice looking, but not high end gold plated watch can be had very cheaply these days. I get catalogs addressed to my business that have engraved gold retirement watches anywhere from $30 to thousands. It is mostly just symbolic... in *my* grandfather's day, it *was* your retirement compensation. I think you were expected to eat it, or pawn it... -Chuck Harris Pete Lancashire wrote: How may factory workers get an engraved 17 jewel watch when they retire now days ? -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I prefer an inexpensive pocket watch, which I carry everyday, everywhere. As with John Harrison, I use it to carry time from one good clock to another. I depend on its short term stability rather than its long term accuracy. John WA4WDL -- From: Russell Rezaian rreza...@motorola.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:48 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? While I do sometimes wear a wristwatch, I find I normally don't. I usually use a stand alone clock of some sort, or the time display on my phone. As for Time Nut relevance, it's still true that you can get much better accuracy and precision for a given cost in a clock that most people would not find comfortable to wear (with all due respect to the Atomic Wrist Watch from TvB's web site :) ) as opposed to what most of the rest of us would consider wearable. That said, I think it's quite reasonable for time nuts to prefer to check the time with clocks that are not exactly wrist friendly. I do wish it was simpler to NTP synchronize the clock on my phone though. One nice thing about the CDMA phone I had years ago was that I knew the clock on the phone was going to be reasonably accurate. Time sync for GSM phones is not as nice. -- Russell At 5:32 PM +0200 2011/07/08, Javier Herrero wrote: I see we are twin souls. Exactly the same :) Regards, Javier El 08/07/2011 17:19, John Green escribió: I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Javier wrote: As a matter of curiosity... Am I the only time nut that does not wear a wrist watch? Nope. And it's not because I get the time from a cell phone or PDA -- I don't carry those, either. I very occasionally (once or twice a year) wear one of my pocket watches. Almost never a wristwatch. I can't even imaging having one of the 8-10 mm thick, 150 g monster chronometers strapped to my wrist. Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I thouth as well that it was just a cheapie, but when I got it I took it to get it cleaned and to replace the crystal. My watch/clock guy was quite surprised. It was not gold plated but 14ct gold, cheapies where 10ct or plated. I don't have the info with me but he told me it was not your usual gift watch for a 'worker' and in 1968 would have cost around $150. another favorite one i got at a junk store and had fixed was a gift to a Westinghouse Elevator employee, on the face the 1-12 are replaced with W E S T I N G H O U S E and on the back 'for 20 years service, the person name and 'what goes up must come down'. -pete On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Actually, that still happens quite a lot. A nice looking, but not high end gold plated watch can be had very cheaply these days. I get catalogs addressed to my business that have engraved gold retirement watches anywhere from $30 to thousands. It is mostly just symbolic... in *my* grandfather's day, it *was* your retirement compensation. I think you were expected to eat it, or pawn it... -Chuck Harris Pete Lancashire wrote: How may factory workers get an engraved 17 jewel watch when they retire now days ? -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I also hate wearing any kind of jewelry - watchbands and rings seem to cut off circulation, even when sized right. A few years ago I accidentally wrecked the nice Seiko that my wife gave me. Since then I have used cheap no-brand watches attached to my 30 year old Speidel Twistoflex band - the only kind that I can stand to wear. When I get a new watch, I just toss the band and hook it up to the old Twistoflex, and it's good for a couple of more years. I have found the best deal so far - $5 for battery powered analog ones at Big Lots. I bought a couple of spares for when my $20 one finally craps out. I have spent about a thousand dollars over the years collecting various GPS, Rb, and OCXO items for precision frequency references, but $5 seems about right for an everyday timepiece. It's OK with me as long as my watch isn't off by more than a few minutes, but I want my 10 MHz to be perfect. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I'm sitting in the other camp - have many watches, but wear my favourite - a Seiko Chrono all the time - never take it off. Hot baths, showers, sea etc. Never let me down (yet). Accurate to I guess not what, but I just love it. Sorry Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: 08 July 2011 4:46 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? Haven't worn a watch in 40+ years as they (and jewelry of any kind) were a non-no working in a metrology lab and later around high voltages. I just got out of the habit of wearing one and I never had a watch that, no matter how well it kept time on the bench or bed stand, would not either noticeably gain or lose time or go nuts when I wore it. I had one wind-up I wore for a couple of months but kept smashing the crystal at an after school job, so it went in the drawer, too. Drives my wife crazy when I complain the clocks in the house are off by a minute or so while my clocks in the shop are accurate to microseconds... Steve On Jul 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: I see we are twin souls. Exactly the same :) Regards, Javier El 08/07/2011 17:19, John Green escribi : I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Bravo, Rob. I thought I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness in support of watches. My beater is an Omega Seamaster that goes everywhere and does everything all the time. My others tend to sit in their rocker boxes and seldom get worn. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.comwrote: I'm sitting in the other camp - have many watches, but wear my favourite - a Seiko Chrono all the time - never take it off. Hot baths, showers, sea etc. Never let me down (yet). Accurate to I guess not what, but I just love it. Sorry Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: 08 July 2011 4:46 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch? Haven't worn a watch in 40+ years as they (and jewelry of any kind) were a non-no working in a metrology lab and later around high voltages. I just got out of the habit of wearing one and I never had a watch that, no matter how well it kept time on the bench or bed stand, would not either noticeably gain or lose time or go nuts when I wore it. I had one wind-up I wore for a couple of months but kept smashing the crystal at an after school job, so it went in the drawer, too. Drives my wife crazy when I complain the clocks in the house are off by a minute or so while my clocks in the shop are accurate to microseconds... Steve On Jul 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: I see we are twin souls. Exactly the same :) Regards, Javier El 08/07/2011 17:19, John Green escribi : I haven't worn a wristwatch in maybe 30 years. I generally use my cellphone or whatever timepiece that's handy. Or, I just guess. I don't wear my wedding ring either. Jewelry of any kind bothers me. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I too love wearing a wrist watch Since I am always working with machines, I tend to scar my watches up quite a bit... therefor I tend to wear cheap watches... my current favorite is a Russian automatic dive watch that I picked up on ebay for $60. I only wear automatic winding mechanical watches. They are more than accurate enough to help me plot my way through life. Speidel Twist-O-Flex bands are the only type worth wearing in my opinion. -Chuck Harris William H. Fite wrote: Bravo, Rob. I thought I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness in support of watches. My beater is an Omega Seamaster that goes everywhere and does everything all the time. My others tend to sit in their rocker boxes and seldom get worn. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi Pete, I wasn't implying that it was a cheapie... though most of the more expensive watches are at least 21J... A solid gold case will bring the price up pdq! I was just saying that a lot of companies are giving gold watches to any employee that hangs on long enough to retire. The cost of that gift isn't necessarily high enough to preclude the gesture. I think the sentiment behind a company giving a treasured employee a gold watch on retirement is a very nice one... hopefully there will be some sort of pension to go along with it... In my grandfather's day, that wasn't often the case. The watch *was* the pension. -Chuck Pete Lancashire wrote: I thouth as well that it was just a cheapie, but when I got it I took it to get it cleaned and to replace the crystal. My watch/clock guy was quite surprised. It was not gold plated but 14ct gold, cheapies where 10ct or plated. I don't have the info with me but he told me it was not your usual gift watch for a 'worker' and in 1968 would have cost around $150. another favorite one i got at a junk store and had fixed was a gift to a Westinghouse Elevator employee, on the face the 1-12 are replaced with W E S T I N G H O U S E and on the back 'for 20 years service, the person name and 'what goes up must come down'. -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I fall into this category too. I used to wear an Avocet altimeter watch all the time, but once the last of the three I had could no longer be fixed, I just kind of gave up. I don't usually carry a cellphone either. I keep thinking I should get a watch for those occations when I might actually need one, but I rarely see any I like. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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i know you didnt ... it was quite the surprise. But then Elder Packing was not your modern company. Everyone from the janitor up had a full pension. Mr. Elder sold out to a maga-corp. Rest of the story is text book. -pete On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Hi Pete, I wasn't implying that it was a cheapie... though most of the more expensive watches are at least 21J... A solid gold case will bring the price up pdq! I was just saying that a lot of companies are giving gold watches to any employee that hangs on long enough to retire. The cost of that gift isn't necessarily high enough to preclude the gesture. I think the sentiment behind a company giving a treasured employee a gold watch on retirement is a very nice one... hopefully there will be some sort of pension to go along with it... In my grandfather's day, that wasn't often the case. The watch *was* the pension. -Chuck Pete Lancashire wrote: I thouth as well that it was just a cheapie, but when I got it I took it to get it cleaned and to replace the crystal. My watch/clock guy was quite surprised. It was not gold plated but 14ct gold, cheapies where 10ct or plated. I don't have the info with me but he told me it was not your usual gift watch for a 'worker' and in 1968 would have cost around $150. another favorite one i got at a junk store and had fixed was a gift to a Westinghouse Elevator employee, on the face the 1-12 are replaced with W E S T I N G H O U S E and on the back 'for 20 years service, the person name and 'what goes up must come down'. -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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The only time I wear one is if I'm traveling, and I need to be certain places at certain times. Outside of that, I've not worn one for... gad, has it really been 25+ years? My timepiece of choice is an old Casio G-Shock model on a Velcro band. Very comfortable. Happy travels. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 08-Jul-11 at 09:47 ed breya wrote: I also hate wearing any kind of jewelry - watchbands and rings seem to cut off circulation, even when sized right. A few years ago I accidentally wrecked the nice Seiko that my wife gave me. Since then I have used cheap no-brand watches attached to my 30 year old Speidel Twistoflex band - the only kind that I can stand to wear. When I get a new watch, I just toss the band and hook it up to the old Twistoflex, and it's good for a couple of more years. I have found the best deal so far - $5 for battery powered analog ones at Big Lots. I bought a couple of spares for when my $20 one finally craps out. I have spent about a thousand dollars over the years collecting various GPS, Rb, and OCXO items for precision frequency references, but $5 seems about right for an everyday timepiece. It's OK with me as long as my watch isn't off by more than a few minutes, but I want my 10 MHz to be perfect. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6278 (20110708) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m Quid Malmborg in Plano... ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
