Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Hi,
OK, maybe off topic for this list. It'll be my first and last post on this.
Spent some time on the phone with autodesk. Something interesting came
out of the conversation. The autodesk rep said that he hasn't heard
anything but positive feedback about the subscription licensing. (Yeah,
Yeah, I know...)
He said they have an email address that can be used for feedback. And
that if anyone is unhappy, they should let them know what their concerns
are.
support.ea...@autodesk.com
So, please let autodesk know. And foreword this out to other lists and
people who can also send out a quick note. Autodesk really needs to hear
how we all feel.
Thanks!
Dan
On 1/24/2017 2:06 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote:
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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:24:52 -0600
From: "Graham / KE9H"
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
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Hi John:
It is still an effective tripling or quadrupling of the cost.
I purchased a "non profit" license several years ago for $129. "Non
commercial, 4 layers, up to 160 sq cm., all functionality enabled."
They converted this to a "standard" license over time.
A license was good for the life of a major version, such as 5 or 6.
When 7 came out, I had to buy a new license for 7, but it was at the
existing customer upgrade price, which was $69.
So $129 initially, then $69 every two or three years or so, as new major
versions came out.
Now they want $100 per year.
--- Graham
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Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Hi The big gotcha in moving between these programs is porting the libraries. Without moving them over, you have very limited options when working in the “new” environment. Opened up the email this evening and *surprise* a discount coupon from Autodesk. Charge a lot as a “standard” price and then discount it 50%. Somehow this reminds me a lot of the local furniture sales .. errr.. SALES … errr.. Yes, it’s a brave new world. Bob > On Jan 24, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > ke9h.gra...@gmail.com said: >> So a learning curve to get up on KiCad and, for me, an issue migrating ten >> years personal library of component foot-prints. > > The Eagle files are store in simple text. If there isn't already an Eagle to > KiCad translator, I'd expect one soon. > > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
ke9h.gra...@gmail.com said: > So a learning curve to get up on KiCad and, for me, an issue migrating ten > years personal library of component foot-prints. The Eagle files are store in simple text. If there isn't already an Eagle to KiCad translator, I'd expect one soon. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Or, switch to the best "free" open source solution, which is KiCad. Eagle had a bunch of quirks. I hear KiCad has a different set of quirks. So a learning curve to get up on KiCad and, for me, an issue migrating ten years personal library of component foot-prints. I heard a blogger suggest that if you move to KiCad, make a donation in the amount of the old $69 Eagle license fee to the KiCad development team. --- Graham == On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:01 PM, jimlux wrote: > On 1/23/17 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote: > > Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to >> actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they >> require some form of proof. >> >> > The usual hack for that is to enroll in a single class at the local > community college, which you don't need to pass, just enroll, so you get > the student ID. > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Hi > On Jan 23, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Jim Pruitt wrote: > > Mike, you are correct about Autodesk products being free to > students/faculty/and staff with proof of status. A college/university > email would do that. > > I retired from a medium size state university here in late spring. My job > there was to purchase, set up, install/administer software and hardware, > and maintain some application servers including ones for Autodesk, > Solidworks, Matlab, and Oracle Primavera. I had 2 Autocad labs consisting > of about 25 stations each. We used Autodesk products because they were > free to universities as long as it was in a teaching capacity. For that > reason facilities management could not use the educational version. > Autodesk and the cad labs took up over 75% of my time so 2 labs kept me > busy and I had 10 other pc labs to maintain on campus. I assume that > because the product was free to us we were on the bottom of the food chain > as I ran into a bug with their product that cause our students to have to > sit for 20 minutes before the license server would issue them a license. Even if you pay >$100K in license fees a year, don’t count on fast solutions for things like license server nonsense (or any other bug). We are not in any way an Autodesk customer at work so that’s not a direct knock on them. It’s more a knock on the industry as a whole. With the payments we *do* get a solution of some sort eventually. Two weeks is a more likely time period than “later today” for most of them. That *is* better than the “maybe never” time frame for unpaid support. It still is not what you need ….. Bob > Keep in mind that classes only lasted 50 minutes! Even though I hired a > third party VAR (value added reseller) for cad tech support. Education was > all on their own so even my VAR could not help me resolve the problem. > They did manage to give me one name at Autodesk that I could contact and > push them from inside. If it had not been for that I feel they never would > have taken the problem seriously. Even at that it took 2 months to get it > figured out. They did not fix the problem til the following year when a > new version was released. Prior to the product being offered free I could > contact Autodesk and get support when needed. > > In short, Autodesk products are free to students and staff/faculty when > used for educational purposes. I had to resort to forums and other avenues > to get tech support. > > Good luck. > > Jim Pruitt > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote: > >> Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a >> way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left >> out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just >> tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install >> it. >> >> If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could >> go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again >> a few months later when you start another project and need more than the >> freeware capabilities. >> >> Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to >> actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they >> require some form of proof. >> >> Mike >> W8RKO >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John >> Ackermann N8UR >> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14 >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening >> >> Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable" >> complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the >> "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 >> cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities. >> Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum: >> >> http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward- >> for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182 >> >> This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a >> couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor >> of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...) >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> __
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Mike: You can get Eagle 7.7 at: ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/7.7/ Somehow, that ftp server is still up and serving downloads. --- Graham == On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote: > Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a > way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left > out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just > tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install > it. > > If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could > go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again > a few months later when you start another project and need more than the > freeware capabilities. > > Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to > actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they > require some form of proof. > > Mike > W8RKO > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John > Ackermann N8UR > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening > > Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable" > complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the > "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 > cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities. > Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum: > > http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward- > for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182 > > This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a > couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor > of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...) > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
On 1/23/17 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote: Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they require some form of proof. The usual hack for that is to enroll in a single class at the local community college, which you don't need to pass, just enroll, so you get the student ID. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Mike, you are correct about Autodesk products being free to students/faculty/and staff with proof of status. A college/university email would do that. I retired from a medium size state university here in late spring. My job there was to purchase, set up, install/administer software and hardware, and maintain some application servers including ones for Autodesk, Solidworks, Matlab, and Oracle Primavera. I had 2 Autocad labs consisting of about 25 stations each. We used Autodesk products because they were free to universities as long as it was in a teaching capacity. For that reason facilities management could not use the educational version. Autodesk and the cad labs took up over 75% of my time so 2 labs kept me busy and I had 10 other pc labs to maintain on campus. I assume that because the product was free to us we were on the bottom of the food chain as I ran into a bug with their product that cause our students to have to sit for 20 minutes before the license server would issue them a license. Keep in mind that classes only lasted 50 minutes! Even though I hired a third party VAR (value added reseller) for cad tech support. Education was all on their own so even my VAR could not help me resolve the problem. They did manage to give me one name at Autodesk that I could contact and push them from inside. If it had not been for that I feel they never would have taken the problem seriously. Even at that it took 2 months to get it figured out. They did not fix the problem til the following year when a new version was released. Prior to the product being offered free I could contact Autodesk and get support when needed. In short, Autodesk products are free to students and staff/faculty when used for educational purposes. I had to resort to forums and other avenues to get tech support. Good luck. Jim Pruitt On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote: > Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a > way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left > out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just > tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install > it. > > If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could > go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again > a few months later when you start another project and need more than the > freeware capabilities. > > Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to > actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they > require some form of proof. > > Mike > W8RKO > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John > Ackermann N8UR > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening > > Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable" > complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the > "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 > cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities. > Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum: > > http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward- > for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182 > > This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a > couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor > of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...) > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install it. If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again a few months later when you start another project and need more than the freeware capabilities. Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they require some form of proof. Mike W8RKO -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable" complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities. Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182 This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Hi John: It is still an effective tripling or quadrupling of the cost. I purchased a "non profit" license several years ago for $129. "Non commercial, 4 layers, up to 160 sq cm., all functionality enabled." They converted this to a "standard" license over time. A license was good for the life of a major version, such as 5 or 6. When 7 came out, I had to buy a new license for 7, but it was at the existing customer upgrade price, which was $69. So $129 initially, then $69 every two or three years or so, as new major versions came out. Now they want $100 per year. --- Graham On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:14 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable" > complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the > "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 > cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities. > Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum: > > http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for > -the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182 > > This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a > couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor > of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...) > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable" complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities. Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182 This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
