[time-nuts] GPS-18x behaving weirdly

2014-03-27 Thread Jim Lux
I've got some GPS-18x LVC units i'm using for a time reference, and 
they're showing an odd behavior:  the position isn't updating.


I moved them across the US (from Los Angeles to the east coast), and 
when I powered them up here, it's returning the LA Lat/Lon (34N,118W), 
the (reasonably correct) UTC time and date, but never getting a fix.


In theory, this should be like a cold start, and in 45 seconds, it 
should reacquire the satellites it can see from scratch, but it's not.



I got one to start going by running the Garmin configuration program and 
setting the current position (not all that accurately, within 1 degree 
lat/lon), and it started running.  The other doesn't seem to want to 
come alive.


I'm assuming that it's just running the clock forward based on it's 
internal low power clock/battery.


I haven't checked for the 1pps output (no scope here, for one thing..and 
I'm not quite ready to write some software to probe the RS232 pins to 
see if it's there.



Has anyone seen a similar behavior?  I've tried the power cycling, and 
the Garmin reset command.  I've not done the clear non-volatile 
memory which makes it forget the almanac.


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Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18x behaving weirdly

2014-03-27 Thread David J Taylor

From: Jim Lux
[]
Has anyone seen a similar behavior?  I've tried the power cycling, and
the Garmin reset command.  I've not done the clear non-volatile
memory which makes it forget the almanac.
===

What firmware are those units running?  Is it the latest?  3.90?  Maybe 
blowing the firmware would reset the position?


Otherwise, I do have a simple program for monitoring the serial port:

 http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#SerialPortLEDs

Cheers,
David
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Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18x behaving weirdly

2014-03-27 Thread Hal Murray

jim...@earthlink.net said:
 Has anyone seen a similar behavior?  I've tried the power cycling, and  the
 Garmin reset command.  I've not done the clear non-volatile  memory
 which makes it forget the almanac. 

I had one GPS-18x LVC go insane.  I don't remember the details.  I think it 
didn't say anything as compared to saying things that didn't make sense.

I tried to take it apart, but never got very far.  After a month or two, the 
battery ran down and it started working again.

Since you have nothing to loose, I'd leave it running to see if it recovers.

If anybody figures out how to update the firmware from a non-Windows 
environment, please let me/us know.


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Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18x behaving weirdly

2014-03-27 Thread Jim Lux

On 3/27/14 8:53 AM, David J Taylor wrote:

From: Jim Lux
[]
Has anyone seen a similar behavior?  I've tried the power cycling, and
the Garmin reset command.  I've not done the clear non-volatile
memory which makes it forget the almanac.
===

What firmware are those units running?  Is it the latest?  3.90?  Maybe
blowing the firmware would reset the position?



yes, running 3.90.. they're only a year old, and 3.90 came out earlier 
than that I think..


In any case, I set one of them to the present lat lon, within a few 
seconds of arc, and it seems to have acquired, changed the fix a bit, 
and then stopped again.


The other one is resolutely stuck.  I'm thinking there's got to be some 
simple option that I'm overlooking.  It's kind of frustrating, because 
there's no NMEA sentence that tells you what the acquisition/search 
status is: just which ones it is trying to track and what the status is 
(unlocked, no data for all of them).




Otherwise, I do have a simple program for monitoring the serial port:

  http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#SerialPortLEDs

I'll try that..



Cheers,
David


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Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18x behaving weirdly

2014-03-27 Thread paul swed
Not sure that I can help much.
I have been following the thread and have numbers of units of this vintage
and have used a few in projects. Those projects seemed to have funnies
after a while.
I am starting to have a bad feeling that if I look carefully I will find
some of this perhaps going on.

However if I go back into those projects at all I suspect I will shove a
ublox in and be done. One was the TrueTime GOES DC468 sat simulator.
Thanks for an idea.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL





On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote:

 On 3/27/14 8:53 AM, David J Taylor wrote:

 From: Jim Lux
 []
 Has anyone seen a similar behavior?  I've tried the power cycling, and
 the Garmin reset command.  I've not done the clear non-volatile
 memory which makes it forget the almanac.
 ===

 What firmware are those units running?  Is it the latest?  3.90?  Maybe
 blowing the firmware would reset the position?


 yes, running 3.90.. they're only a year old, and 3.90 came out earlier
 than that I think..

 In any case, I set one of them to the present lat lon, within a few
 seconds of arc, and it seems to have acquired, changed the fix a bit, and
 then stopped again.

 The other one is resolutely stuck.  I'm thinking there's got to be some
 simple option that I'm overlooking.  It's kind of frustrating, because
 there's no NMEA sentence that tells you what the acquisition/search status
 is: just which ones it is trying to track and what the status is (unlocked,
 no data for all of them).


  Otherwise, I do have a simple program for monitoring the serial port:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#SerialPortLEDs

 I'll try that..


 Cheers,
 David


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