Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:29:49PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: >> If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media >> in >> the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. > > Broadcast TV will never go away... far too important to the > political class as a place for political ads and local news about the > local congresscritters. > > But you forget satellite DTH TV Dish and DirecTV have tens > of millions of subs now... it's not just Verizon and Comcast. There are really no different than cable or FIOS. -John === >> It amounts to a communication tax on the entire population. > > Pay cable content seems to be succeeding in the marketplace > despite its higher price to consumers... and the continuing presence of > "free" broadcast TV. > > And more and more of the quality content is there and only there > (and on the Internet for pay too). > > >> >> -John > > > -- > Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass > 02493 > "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten > 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - > in > celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now > either." > > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
And when do you think the old age of the robber barons ended? Steve On 1 July 2011 18:05, Don Latham wrote: > IMHO, it's the new age of the robber barons. Paying for content is one > thing, paying a government granted monopoly for use of the transmission > medium is another. There is no effective competition if the bandwidth > is sold to the highest bidder, locking out competition. Comparable to > the great land giveaways to implement the transcontinental railways. > Don > > David I. Emery >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:29:49PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: >>> If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast >>> media in >>> the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. >> >> Broadcast TV will never go away... far too important to the >> political class as a place for political ads and local news about the >> local congresscritters. >> >> But you forget satellite DTH TV Dish and DirecTV have tens >> of millions of subs now... it's not just Verizon and Comcast. >> >>> >>> It amounts to a communication tax on the entire population. >> >> Pay cable content seems to be succeeding in the marketplace >> despite its higher price to consumers... and the continuing presence of >> "free" broadcast TV. >> >> And more and more of the quality content is there and only there >> (and on the Internet for pay too). >> >> >>> >>> -John >> >> >> -- >> Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, >> Mass 02493 >> "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten >> 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole >> - in >> celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now >> either." >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > -- > "Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument > are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind." > R. Bacon > "If you don't know what it is, don't poke it." > Ghost in the Shell > > > Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL > Six Mile Systems LLP > 17850 Six Mile Road > POB 134 > Huson, MT, 59846 > VOX 406-626-4304 > www.lightningforensics.com > www.sixmilesystems.com > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
IMHO, it's the new age of the robber barons. Paying for content is one thing, paying a government granted monopoly for use of the transmission medium is another. There is no effective competition if the bandwidth is sold to the highest bidder, locking out competition. Comparable to the great land giveaways to implement the transcontinental railways. Don David I. Emery > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:29:49PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: >> If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast >> media in >> the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. > > Broadcast TV will never go away... far too important to the > political class as a place for political ads and local news about the > local congresscritters. > > But you forget satellite DTH TV Dish and DirecTV have tens > of millions of subs now... it's not just Verizon and Comcast. > >> >> It amounts to a communication tax on the entire population. > > Pay cable content seems to be succeeding in the marketplace > despite its higher price to consumers... and the continuing presence of > "free" broadcast TV. > > And more and more of the quality content is there and only there > (and on the Internet for pay too). > > >> >> -John > > > -- > Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, > Mass 02493 > "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten > 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole > - in > celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now > either." > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- "Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind." R. Bacon "If you don't know what it is, don't poke it." Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:29:49PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: > If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media in > the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. Broadcast TV will never go away... far too important to the political class as a place for political ads and local news about the local congresscritters. But you forget satellite DTH TV Dish and DirecTV have tens of millions of subs now... it's not just Verizon and Comcast. > > It amounts to a communication tax on the entire population. Pay cable content seems to be succeeding in the marketplace despite its higher price to consumers... and the continuing presence of "free" broadcast TV. And more and more of the quality content is there and only there (and on the Internet for pay too). > > -John -- Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, d...@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either." ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Yes, but people are awfully dumb! They have no idea what you are talking about. They buy Kindles and watch movies on screens less than 60 inch diagonal measurement using sound systems that produce nothing but noise. They don't buy newspapers and never give a thought to the fact that unless their information is printed, it can be changed at will to suit any need required by people who are smarter than they are. We won't even mention what they do in the privacy of the voting booth! And I weep when I see those photos of great people who give their lives so that I can continue to live as I want. And, no, I didn't lose a cent during this latest economic madness which I'm sure is promoted by those who measure time in pips.. Lee Mushel - Original Message - From: "J. Forster" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media in the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. It amounts to a communication tax on the entire population. -John = ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media in the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. It amounts to a communication tax on the entire population. -John = > Might be worth a read of some of Charlie Rhodes' columns at TV > Technology. The > latest is "Can Terrestrial Broadcasting and GPS Co-exist in Adjoining > Spectrum?" > and is at http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/122176 > > Over the years Charlie has presented what seems IMHO to be valid reasons > why TV > white spaces - aka guardbands - exist and that terrestrial TV needs them. > Same > applies for GPS and LS. I'd at least agree that the need for white > spaces is one > main reason why "Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is > allotted". Of course, my meaning of "use" here is that of "occupy". I > think Mr. > Rhodes would contend even un-occupied spectrum is in use... > > Bob LaJeunesse > > > > > From: "li...@lazygranch.com" > To: paul swed ; Discussion of precise time and > frequency > measurement > Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 3:45:10 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > > Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is allotted. > Spectrum has > been whittled away at least twice. Once to create T-band. Again a little > bit > when HDTV was rolled out. The band needs to be trimmed with a sawzall. > > > -Original Message----- > From: paul swed > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:09:06 > To: ; Discussion of precise time and frequency > measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > > Scratching the ole head. "TVs a waste"? A comment on the editorial content > perhaps? > But then how does any of that really have anything to do with Time-nuts. > Regards > Paul. > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > >> That is the "white space" plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to >> use >> wasted TV bandwidth. >> >> TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business. However, the MS >> scheme is kind of dumb. The gear would sniff the ether and automatically >> use >> the spectrum. They should really just refarm the spectrum. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: David VanHorn >> Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com >> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:04:42 >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement< >> time-nuts@febo.com> >> Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... >> >> >> Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 >> I >> forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. >> Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and >> minutes. >> >> Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart. >> >> >> >> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf >> Of >> Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... >> >> Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of >> Lightsquared's >> whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Here's one thing that's fixing to happen, if any interference is allowed to take place. All the large companies like Cat and Deere have been including GPS guidance for the operators for a good while now. Most of your surveyers now use GPS in about everything they do. If they are forced to go back to the old ways of surveying, can you imagine the hold-up's, in the large construction projects within our infrastructure, that this will cause? All of those hold-up's equal over runs on time, which means huge amounts of state and federal dollars having to be added to complate these projects. They use GPS in graders and dozers to aquire any grade angle that the specs call for, on top of where it supposed to be. The surveyers use it almost strictly now to do any of their work. I can also see it adding years to projects that is now underway, and I wonder if they have thought of any of this? Surely Deere, Cat, and most likely Trimble, have tried to explain this to the idiots in Washington? Best, Will *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/30/2011 at 1:00 PM Robert LaJeunesse wrote: >Might be worth a read of some of Charlie Rhodes' columns at TV Technology. The >latest is "Can Terrestrial Broadcasting and GPS Co-exist in Adjoining Spectrum?" >and is at http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/122176 > >Over the years Charlie has presented what seems IMHO to be valid reasons why TV >white spaces - aka guardbands - exist and that terrestrial TV needs them. Same >applies for GPS and LS. I'd at least agree that the need for white spaces is one >main reason why "Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is >allotted". Of course, my meaning of "use" here is that of "occupy". I think Mr. >Rhodes would contend even un-occupied spectrum is in use... > >Bob LaJeunesse > > > > >From: "li...@lazygranch.com" >To: paul swed ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 3:45:10 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > >Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is allotted. Spectrum has >been whittled away at least twice. Once to create T-band. Again a little bit >when HDTV was rolled out. The band needs to be trimmed with a sawzall. > > >-----Original Message- >From: paul swed >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:09:06 >To: ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > >Scratching the ole head. "TVs a waste"? A comment on the editorial content >perhaps? >But then how does any of that really have anything to do with Time-nuts. >Regards >Paul. > >On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > >> That is the "white space" plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to use >> wasted TV bandwidth. >> >> TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business. However, the MS >> scheme is kind of dumb. The gear would sniff the ether and automatically use >> the spectrum. They should really just refarm the spectrum. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: David VanHorn >> Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com >> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:04:42 >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement< >> time-nuts@febo.com> >> Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... >> >> >> Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I >> forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. >> Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and >> minutes. >> >> Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart. >> >> >> >> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of >> Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... >> >> Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of >> Lightsquared's >> whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsu
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
Half the band, anyway (220-222). And no, they never did make any use of it I know of. There are still quite a few repeaters and experimental modes being used on the portion remaining to hamateurs (222-225). Keep the peace(es). *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 30-Jun-11 at 17:03 Chuck Harris wrote: >Probably because it was UPS, and it was the successful removal of the >220MHz ham band from the hams. As far as I know, the band is still unused. > >They found it was more cost effective to use the cell phone network. > >-Chuck Harris > >David VanHorn wrote: >> >> This was not the "white space" plan, it was specifically targeted at >either the US >> 2M or 440 band. I just don't remember which. > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > >__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6253 (20110630) __ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
Nope, it wasn't the UPS plan either, and that did take a chunk of 220. From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris [cfhar...@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:03 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Probably because it was UPS, and it was the successful removal of the 220MHz ham band from the hams. As far as I know, the band is still unused. They found it was more cost effective to use the cell phone network. -Chuck Harris David VanHorn wrote: > > This was not the "white space" plan, it was specifically targeted at either > the US > 2M or 440 band. I just don't remember which. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
Probably because it was UPS, and it was the successful removal of the 220MHz ham band from the hams. As far as I know, the band is still unused. They found it was more cost effective to use the cell phone network. -Chuck Harris David VanHorn wrote: This was not the "white space" plan, it was specifically targeted at either the US 2M or 440 band. I just don't remember which. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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This was not the "white space" plan, it was specifically targeted at either the
US 2M or 440 band. I just don't remember which.
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of
li...@lazygranch.com [li...@lazygranch.com]
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
That is the "white space" plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to use
wasted TV bandwidth.
TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business. However, the MS scheme
is kind of dumb. The gear would sniff the ether and automatically use the
spectrum. They should really just refarm the spectrum.
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Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I
forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas.
Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and minutes.
Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart.
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Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of Lightsquared's
whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be).
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Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
Might be worth a read of some of Charlie Rhodes' columns at TV Technology. The latest is "Can Terrestrial Broadcasting and GPS Co-exist in Adjoining Spectrum?" and is at http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/122176 Over the years Charlie has presented what seems IMHO to be valid reasons why TV white spaces - aka guardbands - exist and that terrestrial TV needs them. Same applies for GPS and LS. I'd at least agree that the need for white spaces is one main reason why "Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is allotted". Of course, my meaning of "use" here is that of "occupy". I think Mr. Rhodes would contend even un-occupied spectrum is in use... Bob LaJeunesse From: "li...@lazygranch.com" To: paul swed ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 3:45:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is allotted. Spectrum has been whittled away at least twice. Once to create T-band. Again a little bit when HDTV was rolled out. The band needs to be trimmed with a sawzall. -Original Message- From: paul swed Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:09:06 To: ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Scratching the ole head. "TVs a waste"? A comment on the editorial content perhaps? But then how does any of that really have anything to do with Time-nuts. Regards Paul. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > That is the "white space" plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to use > wasted TV bandwidth. > > TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business. However, the MS > scheme is kind of dumb. The gear would sniff the ether and automatically use > the spectrum. They should really just refarm the spectrum. > > > > -Original Message- > From: David VanHorn > Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:04:42 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement< > time-nuts@febo.com> > Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > > > Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I > forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. > Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and > minutes. > > Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart. > > > > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of > Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > > Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of > Lightsquared's > whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is allotted. Spectrum has been whittled away at least twice. Once to create T-band. Again a little bit when HDTV was rolled out. The band needs to be trimmed with a sawzall. -Original Message- From: paul swed Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:09:06 To: ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Scratching the ole head. "TVs a waste"? A comment on the editorial content perhaps? But then how does any of that really have anything to do with Time-nuts. Regards Paul. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > That is the "white space" plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to use > wasted TV bandwidth. > > TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business. However, the MS > scheme is kind of dumb. The gear would sniff the ether and automatically use > the spectrum. They should really just refarm the spectrum. > > > > -Original Message- > From: David VanHorn > Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:04:42 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement< > time-nuts@febo.com> > Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > > > Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I > forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. > Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and > minutes. > > Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart. > > > > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of > Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > >Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of > Lightsquared's > whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Scratching the ole head. "TVs a waste"? A comment on the editorial content perhaps? But then how does any of that really have anything to do with Time-nuts. Regards Paul. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > That is the "white space" plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to use > wasted TV bandwidth. > > TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business. However, the MS > scheme is kind of dumb. The gear would sniff the ether and automatically use > the spectrum. They should really just refarm the spectrum. > > > > -Original Message- > From: David VanHorn > Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:04:42 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement< > time-nuts@febo.com> > Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > > > Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I > forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. > Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and > minutes. > > Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart. > > > > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of > Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... > >Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of > Lightsquared's > whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
That is the "white space" plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to use wasted TV bandwidth. TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business. However, the MS scheme is kind of dumb. The gear would sniff the ether and automatically use the spectrum. They should really just refarm the spectrum. -Original Message- From: David VanHorn Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:04:42 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and minutes. Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart. From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of Lightsquared's whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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The exception to this rule is the Yucca Mountain Projects. Billions spent and it has been mothballed. The GOP wanted to conduct a tour of the facility and were presented with a bill just to turn on the lights (so to speak). They couldn't even fund the tour. -Original Message- From: "Will Matney" Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:45:32 To: Reply-To: xfor...@citynet.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Mark my words, it will be down to who has the deepest pockets, and the best representation from the lobyist's, in how this goes. The congress is ignorant to technical issues, and they will force the FCC to follow along. It will go down that it was "for the greater good", or something similar. Boeing pulled something similar to this, by building a plant in S.C., for the 787, in order to get even with the union, as it was proven, and the NLRB ruled against them, but right now, over the money invested, Congress is about to step in over the NLRB ruling, for the union, and this type of thing happens all the time. Build it up first, and force them to use it, or force it through, over the large sums of money already invested. Best, Will *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/30/2011 at 6:32 PM Rob Kimberley wrote: >http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galile o >-may-be-risk-too-11822?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GNSS-De s >ign_06_29_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galileo-may-be- r >isk-too-11822 > > >Seems like no one is safe from this! > >Rob K > > > > > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > >__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5851 (20110206) __ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. Swatch wanted to have everyone change to "beats" instead of seconds and minutes. Stupid ideas abound, but they usually fall apart. From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of Lightsquared's whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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They already did, some time ago, at least for much of their engineering. I spent six years with them (and I'm told I did good to last that long), so I speak from (bitter) experience. --They used to make much of their own avionics for flight controls and instrumentation. No more. They sold off their entire electronics division to British Aerospace back around 2000. --They used to make their own PC boards. Nope. Got dumped around the same time. --Wing engineering and design has been done in Russia since around 1999, at least. There are probably stacks of other examples which I've either missed or don't know about, but I will say this much: I think their ultimate plans have always been to move the rest of manufacturing offshore. The NLRB thing is merely one symptom of a much larger disease, one which started (no surprise) just about the same time as McDonnell-Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money. I was laid off at the end of 2002, along with a stack of other folks. Honestly, I have NO regrets. I'll let it go at this since this is, obviously, off-topic for TimeNuts. Happy clocking. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 30-Jun-11 at 10:50 J. Forster wrote: >The NLRB / Boeing decision was an obscenity. If it stands, Boeing will >move offshore in due time. > >YMMV, > >-John > >= > > >> Mark my words, it will be down to who has the deepest pockets, and the >> best >> representation from the lobyist's, in how this goes. The congress is >> ignorant to technical issues, and they will force the FCC to follow >along. >> It will go down that it was "for the greater good", or something similar. >> >> Boeing pulled something similar to this, by building a plant in S.C., for >> the 787, in order to get even with the union, as it was proven, and the >> NLRB ruled against them, but right now, over the money invested, Congress >> is about to step in over the NLRB ruling, for the union, and this type of >> thing happens all the time. Build it up first, and force them to use it, >> or >> force it through, over the large sums of money already invested. >> >> Best, >> >> Will >> >> *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** >> >> On 6/30/2011 at 6:32 PM Rob Kimberley wrote: >> >>>http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-ga lile >> o >>>-may-be-risk-too-11822?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GNS S-De >> s >>>ign_06_29_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galileo-may -be- >> r >>>isk-too-11822 >>> >>> >>>Seems like no one is safe from this! >>> >>>Rob K >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>___ >>>time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>and follow the instructions there. >>> >>>__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5851 (20110206) __ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > >__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6253 (20110630) __ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
The NLRB / Boeing decision was an obscenity. If it stands, Boeing will move offshore in due time. YMMV, -John = > Mark my words, it will be down to who has the deepest pockets, and the > best > representation from the lobyist's, in how this goes. The congress is > ignorant to technical issues, and they will force the FCC to follow along. > It will go down that it was "for the greater good", or something similar. > > Boeing pulled something similar to this, by building a plant in S.C., for > the 787, in order to get even with the union, as it was proven, and the > NLRB ruled against them, but right now, over the money invested, Congress > is about to step in over the NLRB ruling, for the union, and this type of > thing happens all the time. Build it up first, and force them to use it, > or > force it through, over the large sums of money already invested. > > Best, > > Will > > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > > On 6/30/2011 at 6:32 PM Rob Kimberley wrote: > >>http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galile > o >>-may-be-risk-too-11822?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GNSS-De > s >>ign_06_29_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galileo-may-be- > r >>isk-too-11822 >> >> >>Seems like no one is safe from this! >> >>Rob K >> >> >> >> >> >>___ >>time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>and follow the instructions there. >> >>__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5851 (20110206) __ >> >>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >>http://www.eset.com > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance of Lightsquared's whacked-out ideas getting shot down in flames (as they should be). May their marketer-driven hype rest in peace(es). *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 30-Jun-11 at 18:32 Rob Kimberley wrote: >http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-gali leo >-may-be-risk-too-11822?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GNSS- Des >ign_06_29_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galileo-may-b e-r >isk-too-11822 > > >Seems like no one is safe from this! > >Rob K > > > > > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > >__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6253 (20110630) __ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
Mark my words, it will be down to who has the deepest pockets, and the best representation from the lobyist's, in how this goes. The congress is ignorant to technical issues, and they will force the FCC to follow along. It will go down that it was "for the greater good", or something similar. Boeing pulled something similar to this, by building a plant in S.C., for the 787, in order to get even with the union, as it was proven, and the NLRB ruled against them, but right now, over the money invested, Congress is about to step in over the NLRB ruling, for the union, and this type of thing happens all the time. Build it up first, and force them to use it, or force it through, over the large sums of money already invested. Best, Will *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/30/2011 at 6:32 PM Rob Kimberley wrote: >http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galile o >-may-be-risk-too-11822?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GNSS-De s >ign_06_29_2011&utm_content=lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galileo-may-be- r >isk-too-11822 > > >Seems like no one is safe from this! > >Rob K > > > > > >___ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > >__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5851 (20110206) __ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...
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