[time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
Moin, The recent discussions have made it again clear to me, that i lack a lot of knowledge in electronics. Especially when it comes to the black arts: analog stuff, HF, getting the most ouf of a transistor, or doing it really really low noise. Could someone recomend anything to read that would get me more insights and knowledge on these topics? May it be books, papers or search terms for google. Thanks in advance Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
Attila wrote: The recent discussions have made it again clear to me, that i lack a lot of knowledge in electronics. Especially when it comes to the black arts: analog stuff, HF, getting the most ouf of a transistor, or doing it really really low noise. Could someone recomend anything to read that would get me more insights and knowledge on these topics? There are a few good textbooks (read, lots of math) on HF and low noise design if you have the math and physics foundation. The way you presented your request, it sounds as if you may want something more foundational. If so, I would highly recommend The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill and Experimental Methods in RF Design by Hayward, Campbell, and Larkin. I have used them both as textbooks for designers at a variety of levels, and they are exceptional for the authors' ability to convey an intuitive understanding of the material. They both have sufficient math that someone familiar with the field will not feel slighted, but they don't rely solely on the math to get their points across as most textbooks do. They are remarkable for being useful to designers and aspiring designers at widely varying levels of competence. I do not know of a similar book about low-noise design, but it is covered quite well in both of the books above. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:09:44 -0500 Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: Attila wrote: The recent discussions have made it again clear to me, that i lack a lot of knowledge in electronics. Especially when it comes to the black arts: analog stuff, HF, getting the most ouf of a transistor, or doing it really really low noise. Could someone recomend anything to read that would get me more insights and knowledge on these topics? There are a few good textbooks (read, lots of math) on HF and low noise design if you have the math and physics foundation. Having a master in EE i think i can handle quite a bit of math. ;-) Unfortunately, having a degree doesn't mean you know anything. And my experience is that for lots of things i need at work on a daily basis, there was no course, not even something mentioning that this might be something you should know. And as it is, university courses focus more and more on communication technologies. Ie, on either how you design a transistor on a chip to do GHz transmissions or how you would encode your signal to get trough a noisy channel. No word on how you get an actuall device build or how you would implement the nice theoretical signal shape you just calculated... The most practical course i had, was on digital chip design, where we learned various practices and a great deal of VHDL. Most of the rest was so theoretical that i still do not know how to apply them to real world problems. And now i'm trying to fill that gab. The way you presented your request, it sounds as if you may want something more foundational. That's one part. I know i lack a lot of basic things, that are part of the craft. But i also want to learn the special stuff. Eg one of the books i recently bought was on what forms of noise are present in low noise oscillators and how to characterise them. Very specialized book, but i learned a great deal while reading it. If so, I would highly recommend The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill This is already on my to buy list :-) and Experimental Methods in RF Design by Hayward, Campbell, and Larkin. Thanks, i'll get this one too. Thanks a lot Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
Another suggestion if you are interested in analogic design is Sergio Franco, Design with Operational Amplifiers and Analog Integrated Circuits, McGraw Hill, 1988 (and other newer editions). Common on ebay and amazon. Chapter 14 (noise in operational amplifiers) has been very useful to me. Marco IK1ODO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Information Transmission, Modulation and Noise by Mischa Schwartz. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
Optimum noise immunity , Originally a Russian book but translated by R.A. Silverman. (somewhat dated, but very good coverage in theory, heavy math,statistics and scientific method) Due to the nature of the above book if you are not familiar with the scientific of experimentation on a practicing level, I must also recommend: Experimentation: An introduction to measurement theory and experiment design, By D.C. Baird. This book also somewhat dated, but i find them much more useful than any of modern texts. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
On 2/11/12 12:43 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, The recent discussions have made it again clear to me, that i lack a lot of knowledge in electronics. Especially when it comes to the black arts: analog stuff, HF, getting the most ouf of a transistor, or doing it really really low noise. Could someone recomend anything to read that would get me more insights and knowledge on these topics? May it be books, papers or search terms for google. Thanks in advance Attila Kinali RF circuit design, by Bowick http://www.amazon.com/Circuit-Design-Second-Christopher-Bowick/dp/0750685182/ref=pd_sim_b_1 It's kind of a handbook of design with a fair amount of theory. I don't know that it gets into esoterica of ultimate low noise. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
The appnotes from LT especially Jim Williams articles. LT used to print these in book form. Check out the V to F designs, and the data acquisition stuff. Very practical with real world components and test results. Very high end analog stuff. Most textbooks are totally useless, the authors trying to hide their lack of real world experience with lots of math and theory. Also Bob Pease published some books through EDN quite good also. Bye Said Sent From iPhone On Feb 11, 2012, at 0:43, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: Moin, The recent discussions have made it again clear to me, that i lack a lot of knowledge in electronics. Especially when it comes to the black arts: analog stuff, HF, getting the most ouf of a transistor, or doing it really really low noise. Could someone recomend anything to read that would get me more insights and knowledge on these topics? May it be books, papers or search terms for google. Thanks in advance Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
Forgot to mention: Searching amazon for Jim Williams returns a number of great books by Jim and Bob Pease.. Sent From iPhone On Feb 11, 2012, at 20:00, Said Jackson saidj...@aol.com wrote: The appnotes from LT especially Jim Williams articles. LT used to print these in book form. Check out the V to F designs, and the data acquisition stuff. Very practical with real world components and test results. Very high end analog stuff. Most textbooks are totally useless, the authors trying to hide their lack of real world experience with lots of math and theory. Also Bob Pease published some books through EDN quite good also. Bye Said Sent From iPhone On Feb 11, 2012, at 0:43, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: Moin, The recent discussions have made it again clear to me, that i lack a lot of knowledge in electronics. Especially when it comes to the black arts: analog stuff, HF, getting the most ouf of a transistor, or doing it really really low noise. Could someone recomend anything to read that would get me more insights and knowledge on these topics? May it be books, papers or search terms for google. Thanks in advance Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should have asked long ago? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics
On 2/11/12 8:00 PM, Said Jackson wrote: The appnotes from LT especially Jim Williams articles. LT used to print these in book form. Check out the V to F designs, and the data acquisition stuff. Very practical with real world components and test results. Very high end analog stuff. Most textbooks are totally useless, the authors trying to hide their lack of real world experience with lots of math and theory. Also Bob Pease published some books through EDN quite good also. indeed.. ap notes are your friend, esp on design. There is so much art in low noise design getting ultimate performance is all about the individual devices, and fiddling with it to find what works for it. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
