Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Li Ang]

Hi Guys
   I have just bought 2 kinds of PRS10 connectors on taobao.com. (PCB type and 
cable type, refer to the attached photo). It is about 8$ each(the D-SUB + 
center RF part). If you are looking for it, I can send you the link off the 
list. 




Yours


Li Ang / BI7LNQ


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From:  "Jacques Tiete";<jacq...@tiete.org>;
Date:  Mon, Oct 9, 2017 11:37 AM
To:  "TimeNuts"<time-nuts@febo.com>;

Subject:  Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics



Thanks for the prompt reactions, in the mean time I understood Cannon 
connectors can be a real pain in the xxx :-) to figure out the right one. 

Jacques




Op 6 okt. 2017, om 23:19 heeft Jacques Tiete <jacq...@tiete.org> het volgende 
geschreven:

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the 
PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and 
all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.


thanks & 73’s,

Jacques


Jacques Tiete
jacq...@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78




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Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Jacques Tiete]

Thanks for the prompt reactions, in the mean time I understood Cannon 
connectors can be a real pain in the xxx :-) to figure out the right one. 

Jacques




Op 6 okt. 2017, om 23:19 heeft Jacques Tiete  het volgende 
geschreven:

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the 
PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and 
all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.


thanks & 73’s,

Jacques


Jacques Tiete
jacq...@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78




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Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[ewkehren via time-nuts]

The PRS10 was intended as FRS alternative you can use the same plug with no 
changes on both unitsBert Kehren


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Mark Sims <hol...@hotmail.com> Date: 
10/7/17  1:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] PRS10 
PRBB Shematics 
SRS sells the connector.   You might want to make sure you have a tube of 
ass-lube handy when you check the price...  It's around three times the 
distribution price.  SRS really should have used a standard D-sub and a couple 
of SMA connectors.

I considered laying out a PRBB clone, but didn't want to mess with sourcing 
that damn connector.  I wound uo buying the PRBB and the heatsink (and a tube 
'o lube).   Spent more for those than the PRS-10.   The heatsink they ship now 
does not seem to be nearly as good as the older one.  Also be aware that the 
SRS ordering page is not HTTPS and your credit card info is sent in plain 
text...  you might want to order over the phone.
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[time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Mark Sims]

SRS sells the connector.   You might want to make sure you have a tube of 
ass-lube handy when you check the price...  It's around three times the 
distribution price.  SRS really should have used a standard D-sub and a couple 
of SMA connectors.

I considered laying out a PRBB clone, but didn't want to mess with sourcing 
that damn connector.  I wound uo buying the PRBB and the heatsink (and a tube 
'o lube).   Spent more for those than the PRS-10.   The heatsink they ship now 
does not seem to be nearly as good as the older one.  Also be aware that the 
SRS ordering page is not HTTPS and your credit card info is sent in plain 
text...  you might want to order over the phone.
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Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Mike Cook]

I couldn’t find the entire connector anywhere. 
The unpopulated D-Sub Digikey id is DAM-11W1SM-A197 (sorry, I had dropped the 1)
I couldn’t find a european distributer. Mouser has no stock. 

> Le 7 oct. 2017 à 16:06, Jerry <jster...@att.net> a écrit :
> 
> Mike
> 
> I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do 
> have the coax insert part number you listed.  Are you aware of any other 
> source for the entire connector? 
> 
> Jerry, NY2KW
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics
> 
> Hi Jacques,
>  I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the 
> information that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
> As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one 
> and maybe want to make one up? 
> I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in 
> the Operation and Service manual.
> Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. 
> 
> The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197   
> 
> You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from 
> Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.
> 
> Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed 
> through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
> So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. 
> The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted 
> before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as 
> having the positive going  but narrow pulse.  
> 
> Mike
> 
>> Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete <jacq...@tiete.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> Fellow timenuts,
>> 
>> I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the 
>> PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and 
>> all relevant info.
>> An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.
>> 
>> 
>> thanks & 73’s,
>> 
>> Jacques
>> 
>> 
>> Jacques Tiete
>> jacq...@tiete.org
>> GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Bob kb8tq]

Hi

Any time I’ve bought those connectors, it has been as shells, bodies, and 
inserts. You buy the bits and
peces to put together. The reason is fairly simple. There are multiple “big 
fat” inserts that can
go into them. Shells come a lot of ways. Coax, and various high current 
contacts are the fairly normal inserts. 
There are some really exotic inserts as well. In some cases, the bodies are a 
“14 week back order / minimum
quantity per order” sort of thing. 

Bob

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jerry <jster...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Mike
> 
> I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do 
> have the coax insert part number you listed.  Are you aware of any other 
> source for the entire connector? 
> 
> Jerry, NY2KW
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics
> 
> Hi Jacques,
>  I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the 
> information that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
> As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one 
> and maybe want to make one up? 
> I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in 
> the Operation and Service manual.
> Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. 
> 
> The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197   
> 
> You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from 
> Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.
> 
> Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed 
> through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
> So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. 
> The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted 
> before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as 
> having the positive going  but narrow pulse.  
> 
> Mike
> 
>> Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete <jacq...@tiete.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> Fellow timenuts,
>> 
>> I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the 
>> PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and 
>> all relevant info.
>> An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.
>> 
>> 
>> thanks & 73’s,
>> 
>> Jacques
>> 
>> 
>> Jacques Tiete
>> jacq...@tiete.org
>> GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Jerry]

Mike

I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do 
have the coax insert part number you listed.  Are you aware of any other source 
for the entire connector? 

Jerry, NY2KW

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

Hi Jacques,
  I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information 
that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one 
and maybe want to make one up? 
I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in 
the Operation and Service manual.
Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. 

The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197   

You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from Digikey 
for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.

Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed 
through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. 
The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted 
before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having 
the positive going  but narrow pulse.  

Mike

> Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete <jacq...@tiete.org> a écrit :
> 
> Fellow timenuts,
> 
> I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the 
> PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and 
> all relevant info.
> An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.
> 
> 
> thanks & 73’s,
> 
> Jacques
> 
> 
> Jacques Tiete
> jacq...@tiete.org
> GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Mike Cook]

Hi Jacques,
  I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information 
that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one 
and maybe want to make one up? 
I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in 
the Operation and Service manual.
Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. 

The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197   

You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from Digikey 
for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.

Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed 
through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. 
The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted 
before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having 
the positive going  but narrow pulse.  

Mike

> Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete  a écrit :
> 
> Fellow timenuts,
> 
> I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the 
> PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and 
> all relevant info.
> An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.
> 
> 
> thanks & 73’s,
> 
> Jacques
> 
> 
> Jacques Tiete
> jacq...@tiete.org
> GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78
> 
> 
> 
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[time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

[Jacques Tiete]

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the 
PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and 
all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.


thanks & 73’s,

Jacques


Jacques Tiete
jacq...@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78



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