Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
quote: [On the tab Port Settings click Advanced and in that window uncheck the box next to Serial Enumerator] This is a feature of the FTDI driver. Not something generic. What worked for me was to disable (postpone actually) the Windows PnP device enumerator for a serial device. It works for hardware serial ports as well as the USBtoRS232 converters. This can be done with a registry patch which adds the Skipenumerations registry entry. Setting this to a big value skips the possible detection of any device (such as a serial mouse) on a COM port. Search the net for details. E.g. here : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283063 Lots of the USBtoRS232 converters do not contain EEPROM to store a unique serial number. Without it Windows cannot be sure you unplugged the same device as you re-plugged in another USB port. Its behaviour is to assign it a new COM port number. Re-plugging the converter in the original USB port should bring back the same COM port number. You will need to patch the registry again if a new COM port number is assigned. If you want to avoid this, look for USBtoRS232 converters that have the option to program a USB serial number (like the FTDI FT232R based ones) Joop - pe1cqp ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello Joop, Thanks for the pointer. I am slowly achieving the confidence to tackle my XP Pro registry. Stan, W1LE On 5/12/2011 4:12 AM, Joop wrote: quote: [On the tab Port Settings click Advanced and in that window uncheck the box next to Serial Enumerator] This is a feature of the FTDI driver. Not something generic. What worked for me was to disable (postpone actually) the Windows PnP device enumerator for a serial device. It works for hardware serial ports as well as the USBtoRS232 converters. This can be done with a registry patch which adds the Skipenumerations registry entry. Setting this to a big value skips the possible detection of any device (such as a serial mouse) on a COM port. Search the net for details. E.g. here : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283063 Lots of the USBtoRS232 converters do not contain EEPROM to store a unique serial number. Without it Windows cannot be sure you unplugged the same device as you re-plugged in another USB port. Its behaviour is to assign it a new COM port number. Re-plugging the converter in the original USB port should bring back the same COM port number. You will need to patch the registry again if a new COM port number is assigned. If you want to avoid this, look for USBtoRS232 converters that have the option to program a USB serial number (like the FTDI FT232R based ones) Joop - pe1cqp ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hi Stan, Do not worry, just go for it, what's the worst that can happen? ;) Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:24:28 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists Hello Joop, Thanks for the pointer. I am slowly achieving the confidence to tackle my XP Pro registry. Stan, W1LE On 5/12/2011 4:12 AM, Joop wrote: quote: [On the tab Port Settings click Advanced and in that window uncheck the box next to Serial Enumerator] This is a feature of the FTDI driver. Not something generic. What worked for me was to disable (postpone actually) the Windows PnP device enumerator for a serial device. It works for hardware serial ports as well as the USBtoRS232 converters. This can be done with a registry patch which adds the Skipenumerations registry entry. Setting this to a big value skips the possible detection of any device (such as a serial mouse) on a COM port. Search the net for details. E.g. here : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283063 Lots of the USBtoRS232 converters do not contain EEPROM to store a unique serial number. Without it Windows cannot be sure you unplugged the same device as you re-plugged in another USB port. Its behaviour is to assign it a new COM port number. Re-plugging the converter in the original USB port should bring back the same COM port number. You will need to patch the registry again if a new COM port number is assigned. If you want to avoid this, look for USBtoRS232 converters that have the option to program a USB serial number (like the FTDI FT232R based ones) Joop - pe1cqp ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello The Net: Since my motherboard died, I want to transfer the T'Bolt to another computer. I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. System worked fine with Lady Heather on the original computer. I tried using the mod to theboot.ini file.I added: NoSerialMice:COM10 on the very first line. To date I still have a conflict with the mouse I can move the COM port assignment for the adapter, but I can not find what COM port the mouse is using. The mouse does use IRQ 12. USBView software does show which USB ports are used, but not the mouse COM port assignment. How do I fix (permanently assign) the Com port used for the mouse, so there is no conflict ? Thanks for the help, Stan, W1LE Cape CodFN41sr Zz ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello The Net: Since my motherboard died, I want to transfer the T'Bolt to another computer. I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. System worked fine with Lady Heather on the original computer. I tried using the mod to theboot.ini file.I added: NoSerialMice:COM10 on the very first line. To date I still have a conflict with the mouse I can move the COM port assignment for the adapter, but I can not find what COM port the mouse is using. The mouse does use IRQ 12. USBView software does show which USB ports are used, but not the mouse COM port assignment. How do I fix (permanently assign) the Com port used for the mouse, so there is no conflict ? Thanks for the help, Stan, W1LE Cape CodFN41sr Stan, A USB mouse does not use any COM ports. What are the exact symptoms you are seeing? 73, David - GM8ARV -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
A USB device doesn't use a COM port. More likely it's an IRQ conflict between the devices. Try removing the COM port adapter, reboot, and then plug it back in to a different USB port. This should cause the computer do dynamically assign a non-conflicting IRQ address. Regards, James ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello David, The symptoms include: eratic mouse cursor that stabilizes (corrects) after I disconnect the USB port to the T'Bolt. Stan, W1LE On 5/11/2011 9:02 AM, David J Taylor wrote: Hello The Net: Since my motherboard died, I want to transfer the T'Bolt to another computer. I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. System worked fine with Lady Heather on the original computer. I tried using the mod to theboot.ini file.I added: NoSerialMice:COM10 on the very first line. To date I still have a conflict with the mouse I can move the COM port assignment for the adapter, but I can not find what COM port the mouse is using. The mouse does use IRQ 12. USBView software does show which USB ports are used, but not the mouse COM port assignment. How do I fix (permanently assign) the Com port used for the mouse, so there is no conflict ? Thanks for the help, Stan, W1LE Cape CodFN41sr Stan, A USB mouse does not use any COM ports. What are the exact symptoms you are seeing? 73, David - GM8ARV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
That's not a conflict. Windows thinks the tbolt is a mouse. Go into device manager and delete the serial mouse or disable it. -Bob On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello David, The symptoms include: eratic mouse cursor that stabilizes (corrects) after I disconnect the USB port to the T'Bolt. Stan, W1LE On 5/11/2011 9:02 AM, David J Taylor wrote: Hello The Net: Since my motherboard died, I want to transfer the T'Bolt to another computer. I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. System worked fine with Lady Heather on the original computer. I tried using the mod to theboot.ini file.I added: NoSerialMice:COM10 on the very first line. To date I still have a conflict with the mouse I can move the COM port assignment for the adapter, but I can not find what COM port the mouse is using. The mouse does use IRQ 12. USBView software does show which USB ports are used, but not the mouse COM port assignment. How do I fix (permanently assign) the Com port used for the mouse, so there is no conflict ? Thanks for the help, Stan, W1LE Cape CodFN41sr Stan, A USB mouse does not use any COM ports. What are the exact symptoms you are seeing? 73, David - GM8ARV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello James, Is there some way to permanently assign an IRQ and to provide me some visibility on which IRQs are assigned and where ? Stan, W1LE On 5/11/2011 9:03 AM, James Fournier wrote: A USB device doesn't use a COM port. More likely it's an IRQ conflict between the devices. Try removing the COM port adapter, reboot, and then plug it back in to a different USB port. This should cause the computer do dynamically assign a non-conflicting IRQ address. Regards, James ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello David, The symptoms include: eratic mouse cursor that stabilizes (corrects) after I disconnect the USB port to the T'Bolt. Stan, W1LE There are some suggestions here, Stan: http://www.gpsmap.net/GarminHints.html#GPSR_ComputerMouse The device names many differ, but the same principles apply. It's likely as Robert mentioned. 73, David - GM8ARV -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
I believe you need to disable - not delete - the serial mouse in the device manager, else it just keeps reinstalling. Brent KD4VMM On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hello David, The symptoms include: eratic mouse cursor that stabilizes (corrects) after I disconnect the USB port to the T'Bolt. Stan, W1LE There are some suggestions here, Stan: http://www.gpsmap.net/GarminHints.html#GPSR_ComputerMouse The device names many differ, but the same principles apply. It's likely as Robert mentioned. 73, David - GM8ARV -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
I have this problem as well. The issue is that the USB com port shows up as a different number sometimes after a reboot and thus I must go in and manually disable the 'mouse' again. Quite annoying when trying to set up a system that just boots up and works. On May 11, 2011, at 9:51, brent evers brent.ev...@gmail.com wrote: I believe you need to disable - not delete - the serial mouse in the device manager, else it just keeps reinstalling. Brent KD4VMM On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hello David, The symptoms include: eratic mouse cursor that stabilizes (corrects) after I disconnect the USB port to the T'Bolt. Stan, W1LE There are some suggestions here, Stan: http://www.gpsmap.net/GarminHints.html#GPSR_ComputerMouse The device names many differ, but the same principles apply. It's likely as Robert mentioned. 73, David - GM8ARV -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hi Stan, I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. if your adapter uses one of the popular FT232 chips from FTDI, then your mouse will be rediscovered from time to time, thanks for the Serial Enumerator feature present in the driver (see http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/AppNotes/AN_107_AdvancedDriverOptions_AN_73.pdf ). To disable this incredibly frustrating function, open the windows device manager and remove the serial mouse. Then open the properties of the serial COM port. On the tab Port Settings click Advanced and in that window uncheck the box next to Serial Enumerator. http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zKkNaqX3vkM/S-mRNIaXuoI/Aw8/W6mWXYShUC8/s1600-h/serial-properties%5B2%5D.png You'll have to repeat this whenever your USB-to-serial adapter is re-discovered, for example when you've moved it to a different USB port on your machine. Greetings, Chris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Stan and the list: This topic has come up a number of times, and I've been annoyed by the behavior as well. The solution I have found is to use a little utility called 'NoSerialMouse' that was created by Marcio Borges. It requires no installation, you can just run it as needed. You will be able to choose the com port(s) you wish to address. It's solved my problem on my Win7-64 box. Unfortunately, the author's website is apparently dead, so I have placed it on my website at http://www.pumpkinbrook.com/files/NoSerialMouse.zip . Although the file is clean, you guys don't know me from Adam, so use proper caution before running it (virus scan, etc.). Hope this helps. This is such a common problem, maybe this should be placed in the files area. 73s, Paul - K9MR On 5/11/2011 9:25 AM, Stan, W1LE wrote: Hello James, Is there some way to permanently assign an IRQ and to provide me some visibility on which IRQs are assigned and where ? Stan, W1LE On 5/11/2011 9:03 AM, James Fournier wrote: A USB device doesn't use a COM port. More likely it's an IRQ conflict between the devices. Try removing the COM port adapter, reboot, and then plug it back in to a different USB port. This should cause the computer do dynamically assign a non-conflicting IRQ address. Regards, James ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Stan; I had the same problem. The correct fix (i.e. permanent) is to buy a RS232C plug-in board for your PC. This allows the port choice to remain fixed. With the USB to serial adapter the port can change every time you reboot the computer. I purchased a board with 8 db9 connector 'dongles', this allowed me to have unique port IDs for all the RS232C devices that I have afixed to the computer. Michael On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello The Net: Since my motherboard died, I want to transfer the T'Bolt to another computer. I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. System worked fine with Lady Heather on the original computer. I tried using the mod to theboot.ini file.I added: NoSerialMice:COM10 on the very first line. To date I still have a conflict with the mouse I can move the COM port assignment for the adapter, but I can not find what COM port the mouse is using. The mouse does use IRQ 12. USBView software does show which USB ports are used, but not the mouse COM port assignment. How do I fix (permanently assign) the Com port used for the mouse, so there is no conflict ? Thanks for the help, Stan, W1LE Cape CodFN41sr Zz ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hi Stan, According to Microsoft (who should know), NoSerialMice has never worked with XP. It's for NT. For XP use /fastdetect:COM10 or just /fastdetect to handle all com ports. See: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721 Ed Stan, W1LE wrote: Hello The Net: Since my motherboard died, I want to transfer the T'Bolt to another computer. I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. System worked fine with Lady Heather on the original computer. I tried using the mod to theboot.ini file.I added: NoSerialMice:COM10 on the very first line. To date I still have a conflict with the mouse I can move the COM port assignment for the adapter, but I can not find what COM port the mouse is using. The mouse does use IRQ 12. USBView software does show which USB ports are used, but not the mouse COM port assignment. How do I fix (permanently assign) the Com port used for the mouse, so there is no conflict ? Thanks for the help, Stan, W1LE Cape CodFN41sr Zz ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello Chris, Thanks for the pointers. They were an interesting read. My cheapie USB to serial adapters use a Prolific chip. Stan, W1LE On 5/11/2011 9:59 AM, Christian Vogel wrote: Hi Stan, I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. if your adapter uses one of the popular FT232 chips from FTDI, then your mouse will be rediscovered from time to time, thanks for the Serial Enumerator feature present in the driver (see http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/AppNotes/AN_107_AdvancedDriverOptions_AN_73.pdf ). To disable this incredibly frustrating function, open the windows device manager and remove the serial mouse. Then open the properties of the serial COM port. On the tab Port Settings click Advanced and in that window uncheck the box next to Serial Enumerator. http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zKkNaqX3vkM/S-mRNIaXuoI/Aw8/W6mWXYShUC8/s1600-h/serial-properties%5B2%5D.png You'll have to repeat this whenever your USB-to-serial adapter is re-discovered, for example when you've moved it to a different USB port on your machine. Greetings, Chris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello Mike, Thanks for the help. Stan, W1LE On 5/11/2011 10:21 AM, Michael Perrett wrote: Stan; I had the same problem. The correct fix (i.e. permanent) is to buy a RS232C plug-in board for your PC. This allows the port choice to remain fixed. With the USB to serial adapter the port can change every time you reboot the computer. I purchased a board with 8 db9 connector 'dongles', this allowed me to have unique port IDs for all the RS232C devices that I have afixed to the computer. Michael ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] USB and Mouse conflict persists
Hello Ed, Thanks for the definitive Microsoft reference. I was wondering why NoSerialMice seemed to have no effect. Stan, W1LE On 5/11/2011 11:01 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: Hi Stan, According to Microsoft (who should know), NoSerialMice has never worked with XP. It's for NT. For XP use /fastdetect:COM10 or just /fastdetect to handle all com ports. See: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721 Ed Stan, W1LE wrote: Hello The Net: Since my motherboard died, I want to transfer the T'Bolt to another computer. I am running XP Pro with a USB laser mouse and a USB to serial adapter to the T'Bolt. The USB to serial adapter drivers are on hand and they loaded nicely, with the computer setting the USB port to COM10. System worked fine with Lady Heather on the original computer. I tried using the mod to theboot.ini file.I added: NoSerialMice:COM10 on the very first line. To date I still have a conflict with the mouse I can move the COM port assignment for the adapter, but I can not find what COM port the mouse is using. The mouse does use IRQ 12. USBView software does show which USB ports are used, but not the mouse COM port assignment. How do I fix (permanently assign) the Com port used for the mouse, so there is no conflict ? Thanks for the help, Stan, W1LE Cape CodFN41sr Zz ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
