Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Thanks for the plug. :) I should point out that 7470.EXE was never meant to draw diagrams like this, so the colors and overall line quality are not all they could be. Jeffrey Pawlan, WA6KBL emailed me with a nice grayscale rendering of one of the diagrams, although I never did catch what program he used to generate it. It looked quite a bit better than the 7470.EXE output, at any rate. If we can get a set of better renderings, I'll make sure they find their way to Brooke. -- john, KE5FX Hi: Thanks to John Miles and his HP 7470 plotter program I have .gif versions of the five E1938 drawings that were in .hpg vector format that can be viewed. These are packed into a single file E1938gifs.zip downloadable from: http://www.prc68.com/I/HPE1938.shtml The schematics for both the board and oscillator are there along with a block diagram of the oscillator. John has a number of freeware programs in his HP-IB Tool kit including Automated phase-noise measurement utility for the Tektronix and HP spectrum analyzers along with links to related app notes, etc. http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/gpib/readme.htm - tool kit http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/gpib/pn.htm - Phase Noise Overview Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi: Thanks to John Miles and his HP 7470 plotter program I have .gif versions of the five E1938 drawings that were in .hpg vector format that can be viewed. These are packed into a single file E1938gifs.zip downloadable from: http://www.prc68.com/I/HPE1938.shtml The schematics for both the board and oscillator are there along with a block diagram of the oscillator. John has a number of freeware programs in his HP-IB Tool kit including Automated phase-noise measurement utility for the Tektronix and HP spectrum analyzers along with links to related app notes, etc. http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/gpib/readme.htm - tool kit http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/gpib/pn.htm - Phase Noise Overview Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 22:23:57 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fault was using a whacky fringe program on a fringe operating system and not the vector file. Do the same thing with a mainline publishing package like PageMaker, InDesign, Quark or even, God forbid, Microsoft turd and see how it comes out. I've contract-published uncountable documents that used vector graphics without a burp. Hi John, didn't know Framemaker on Linux was a fringe program on a fringe OS. I'm sure there are some people that would disagree. Anyways, it wouldn't be hard to post BOTH the original vector files for the folks that want to make E1938A's in 20 years AND PDF files the rest of us can open and read sensibly without having to get out GCC and compile something. I don't think the entire Gerbers will be made available for post anyways. Now the Gerber format itself is another entire discussion thread... bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Adobe Acrobat will convert most file types.. PNG still widely used. :-) Rob K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 August 2007 22:37 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 13:41:24 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's a link to the resulting png from hpgs _ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/rexa/E1938A/E1938_asdrawb.png_ (ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/rexa/E1938A/E1938_asdrawb.png) Anybody here that can generate PDF's with 300 or more DPI? PS, HPGL, PNG, all not standard anymore as this long thread is showing... JPG, PDF, HTML is the name of the game these days :) I can generate PDF's from PS files, if that helps. I can also render PDF's into raster-files if needed. Thanks, bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:42:58 EDT Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/28/2007 18:29:41 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have you opened a PNG lately in internet explorer? What a headache. Looks totally crappy, cannot zoom, cannot rotate etc. Not a format that's mainstream yet such as JPG. Why would I be using Internet Explorer? Hi Magnus, It's a religious question, so there is no answer to it - just endless discussion. But one reason would be: so we don't have to have these types of incompatibility discussions :) Oh, but that don't fly well since I run Linux. :) Still, the PNG support issue has *NOTHING* with the format as such, just how you perceive it in your environment. This does not match my experince and several of my friends. My point was really that you need to complain on the right detail. That it does not work well in IE is indeed a valid complaint, but then I would naturally point out that you can use other things than IE to remedy that problem. PNG is not an old format, it is new and fresh even if it does not have the cool algorithms as other even newer formats have. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Brooke, Why don't you install PDF Creator? It's a free printer driver that creates pdf files, so any program that can print can create PDF's. You can set the page size to what you want, so I use 11x17 for schematics. Google: PDF Creator Didier KO4BB Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I'm working on a web page for the E1938 and have received a bunch of files from Rick. One of them is a .HPG of a schematic. I've tried to use IrfanView, but it's a program I normally don't use and all the images are way too coarse to be useable. Is there a way to convert it to something that can be read? http://www.prc68.com/I/HPE1938.shtml -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Brooke, Re: my last post, I am not sure I read your mail correctly. PDF Creator is useful when you have a program that can open the document, I do not know what program is normally used to open .HPG files... Didier KO4BB Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I'm working on a web page for the E1938 and have received a bunch of files from Rick. One of them is a .HPG of a schematic. I've tried to use IrfanView, but it's a program I normally don't use and all the images are way too coarse to be useable. Is there a way to convert it to something that can be read? http://www.prc68.com/I/HPE1938.shtml -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:18:55 -0700, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: I'm working on a web page for the E1938 and have received a bunch of files from Rick. One of them is a .HPG of a schematic. I've tried to use IrfanView, but it's a program I normally don't use and all the images are way too coarse to be useable. Is there a way to convert it to something that can be read? Hello Brooke, Irfanview is in fact very powerful, but as can see in V4.0, it is n o t capable to read HPGL-files - so it is not capable to convert into another format. I know only Autocad able to read .hpg, but that does not look very comfortable. If you have a way to print-out these plot pictures (I suppose they are) so one could make a sharp hi-q picture with a modern 6 Mp camera and use the jpg pictures in your page, is that a possibility for you? regards, Arnold ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Scott: I have uploaded the smallest one E1938_asdrawb.hpg at: http://www.prc68.com/I/pdf/E1938_asdrawb.hpg it's also linked on the E1938 web page under Theory of Operation. I have Autocad 14, but it did not want to load a .hpg file. Maybe I need a plug-in? Autocad can drive an HP pen plotter to create .hpg files, but don't know about loading them. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Scott Newell wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 12:18 PM 8/28/2007 , Brooke Clarke wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi: I'm working on a web page for the E1938 and have received a bunch of files from Rick. One of them is a .HPG of a schematic. I've tried to use IrfanView, but it's a program I normally don't use and all the images are way too coarse to be useable. Is there a way to convert it to something that can be read? Do you have a link to the .hpg file in question on the site? (I'm thinking HPGL.) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Scott: Yes. Can it be read? How did you do it? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Scott Newell wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 01:51 PM 8/28/2007 , Brooke Clarke wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Scott: I have uploaded the smallest one E1938_asdrawb.hpg at: http://www.prc68.com/I/pdf/E1938_asdrawb.hpg Yep, HPGL. Want a pdf? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 02:35 PM 8/28/2007 , Rex wrote: What are you using to convert the file? Corel Draw. I didn't receive any errors, but I don't know that the conversion is accurate. HPGL is pretty simple--I'll bet it wouldn't be much work to write a quick-n-dirty HPGL to PS converter. -- newell N5TNL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY My plotter emulator (7470.EXE) will actually render the file, but not at a high-enough resolution to read the text. Plus, it was stored in portrait mode for some reason, which is a problem for both 7470.EXE and the other HP-GL viewer I have on this machine (the free GC-Prevue Gerber viewer). So if someone can rotate it and render it to a .PDF at a decent resolution, that'd be helpful... -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arnold Tibus Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:13 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:18:55 -0700, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: I'm working on a web page for the E1938 and have received a bunch of files from Rick. One of them is a .HPG of a schematic. I've tried to use IrfanView, but it's a program I normally don't use and all the images are way too coarse to be useable. Is there a way to convert it to something that can be read? Hello Brooke, Irfanview is in fact very powerful, but as can see in V4.0, it is n o t capable to read HPGL-files - so it is not capable to convert into another format. I know only Autocad able to read .hpg, but that does not look very comfortable. If you have a way to print-out these plot pictures (I suppose they are) so one could make a sharp hi-q picture with a modern 6 Mp camera and use the jpg pictures in your page, is that a possibility for you? regards, Arnold ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Brooke Clarke wrote: I'm working on a web page for the E1938 and have received a bunch of files from Rick. One of them is a .HPG of a schematic. I've tried to use IrfanView, but it's a program I normally don't use and all the images are way too coarse to be useable. Is there a way to convert it to something that can be read? HPG is hpgl. It is a vector format. The best idea would be to convert them to the free web standard vector format SVG and the second best idea would to pdf. Any raster format should be avoided. As far as conversion, hp2xx can do it. If you've got a Debian Linux box, just apt-get install hp2xx to install it. See http://www.murgatroid.com/tmp/E1938_asdrawb/ for the results. The Makefile shows how I invoked the commands. The pen settings could be tweak a bit, probably. (I'd be happy to do it for you.) -ch ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:35:19 -0700, Rex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used this free program: http://hpgs.berlios.de/ and got it to create a png file, but I had to edit the hpgl and remove a few commands that the program (and my available documentation) didn't recognize. -Rex After Steve's reply I reinstalled an old version of Corel Draw that I had. The image in Corel seems the same as the png from the free program. Here's a link to the resulting png from hpgs ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/rexa/E1938A/E1938_asdrawb.png Corel opened the hpg ok, but needed some work to get it on the page size. As I mentioned, I did have to remove a little bit of the hpg file to get it to work with the hpgs program. Here are the first few lines of the hpg file IN; PW .1875,1;PW .1875,2;PW .1875,3; PW .1875,4;PW .1875,5; PW .375,6;PW .1875,7;PW .1875,8; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 2:.J.K.I90; 0; 17:.N50; 19:INIP-21184,-16612,21184,16612SC-5296,5296,-4153,4153IW-5296,-4153,364,4114SP1PA-684,1258PD; ... I changed that to IN; PW .1875,1;PW .1875,2;PW .1875,3; PW .1875,4;PW .1875,5; PW .375,6;PW .1875,7;PW .1875,8; INIP-21184,-16612,21184,16612SC-5296,5296,-4153,4153IW-5296,-4153,364,4114SP1PA-684,1258PD; ... since the program and I both didn't know what the extra lines meant. I cut them out in a text edtitor and saved the file for input to the hpgs program. Then it worked ok. I had renamed this new file to test2.hpg and then I used this command line for the program (in a DOS box) hpgs -d png_rgp -o test2.png test2.hpg The png version seems a bit more useful to me than pdf, as many graphics programs will open the png and allow editing. Fewer programs are available to manipulate pdf's. The png is viewable and printable in Irfanview, but looks a little better when I open it in Ulead Photoimpact, that I had here. Hope that helps. -Rex ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi: Scott will convert the files and I'll post them when they arrive. I've also added a Windows control program to the page. You may need to force a reload to see the new items. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Jeffrey Pawlan wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY HPGL is pretty simple--I'll bet it wouldn't be much work to write a quick-n-dirty HPGL to PS converter. I had one on my old DOS 5 computer. I may look for it later. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:01:12 -0700, Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: Scott will convert the files and I'll post them when they arrive. I've also added a Windows control program to the page. You may need to force a reload to see the new items. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Will you make the original hpg files available too? PDF isn't my favorite. -Rex ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi brooke, The Windows control program link did not work. Can you explain, a little bit, about the program on your web page, besides here. thanks 73BillWB6BNQ Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Scott will convert the files and I'll post them when they arrive. I've also added a Windows control program to the page. You may need to force a reload to see the new items. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Jeffrey Pawlan wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY HPGL is pretty simple--I'll bet it wouldn't be much work to write a quick-n-dirty HPGL to PS converter. I had one on my old DOS 5 computer. I may look for it later. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Also looks like the link to the third paper of Rick's is broken. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WB6BNQ Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:13 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi brooke, The Windows control program link did not work. Can you explain, a little bit, about the program on your web page, besides here. thanks 73BillWB6BNQ Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Scott will convert the files and I'll post them when they arrive. I've also added a Windows control program to the page. You may need to force a reload to see the new items. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Jeffrey Pawlan wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY HPGL is pretty simple--I'll bet it wouldn't be much work to write a quick-n-dirty HPGL to PS converter. I had one on my old DOS 5 computer. I may look for it later. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 13:41:24 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's a link to the resulting png from hpgs _ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/rexa/E1938A/E1938_asdrawb.png_ (ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/rexa/E1938A/E1938_asdrawb.png) Anybody here that can generate PDF's with 300 or more DPI? PS, HPGL, PNG, all not standard anymore as this long thread is showing... JPG, PDF, HTML is the name of the game these days :) I can generate PDF's from PS files, if that helps. I can also render PDF's into raster-files if needed. Thanks, bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:36:44 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JPG, PDF, HTML is the name of the game these days :) I don't completely agree. JPG is not good for line drawings like schematics. A lossless compression like GIF or PNG is much better. HTML by itself doesn't support images (needs imbedded jpg, gif, png, etc.) and has limited text formatting. I hate it when the only availble document format is html-based. PDF is ok, but hard to modify without spending money (like to split a schematic between multiple 8.5 x 11 pages for printing.) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Anybody here that can generate PDF's with 300 or more DPI? Hello Said, Yes, no problem. Please direct me to the URL for the schematic in hpgl format. I can't seem to locate it. However, I did find the E1938 assembly drawing and have posted an appropriate pdf here: http://www.realhamradio.com/E1938_asdrawb.pdf I will be happy to post a high resolution schematic when I locate the hpgl source. The schematic may be more comfortable to view by simply plotting directly to a D-size plotter, but the pdf will work OK if you don't mind the limitations of your screen size. Thanks, Bill, K8CU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:36:44 EDT Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 13:41:24 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's a link to the resulting png from hpgs _ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/rexa/E1938A/E1938_asdrawb.png_ (ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/rexa/E1938A/E1938_asdrawb.png) Anybody here that can generate PDF's with 300 or more DPI? Where's the problem??? PDF as such is really not DPI limited, raster formats in it is however... but a good HPGL to PS to PDF conversion would still only be vectors... PS, HPGL, PNG, all not standard anymore as this long thread is showing... JPG, PDF, HTML is the name of the game these days :) Said, you have your timing screwed up here. PNG is definitly much newer than JPG. PNG is certainly standard and viewers are plentiful (web-browsers anyone?). Hell, even GIF87 still works!!! HTML is also older than PNG. I've seen PNG progress from the GIF2000 proposal after I have been teaching HTML and JPG to the students. Doing such incorrect timing errors on a time-list? Can't avoid pointing them out. HPGL is an old format, that is true. Still makes alot of wheels turn, but maybe not as generic exchange format these days. PS is still a very valid format, but it is not as neat as PDF and thankfully PDF is now more widely spread, but it has been a major headache before. Oh, and HTML is old as hell now, you should sing the prais of XHTML and XML these days. It is only old farts like myself that still hack HTML by hand. My webpages layout makes stone-age feel recent and as a fresh wind. PS. I envy you guys for having the E1938A to fool around with!!! Cheers, Magnus - running old? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 15:06:22 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PDF is ok, but hard to modify without spending money (like to split a schematic between multiple 8.5 x 11 pages for printing.) Orcad generates great schematics in PDF with Acrobat when set to 300 or better 600dpi. Best printed out on 11x17 on an HP 8500 in color which are available for around $300 used here... I hear there is a public-domain PDF writer for windows that's even better than Acrobat. JPG can be set to be losless, it's supported by the standard, but I agree GIF or TIFF is better. The biggest advantage to JPG and PDF is that everyone around the world can view the files without having to install a special viewer, use a special OS, or printer driver etc... bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 15:24:24 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Said, you have your timing screwed up here. PNG is definitly much newer than JPG. PNG is certainly standard and viewers are plentiful (web-browsers anyone?). Hi Magnus, have you opened a PNG lately in internet explorer? What a headache. Looks totally crappy, cannot zoom, cannot rotate etc. Not a format that's mainstream yet such as JPG. Bless all those PDF readers out there... But: For some reason PDF's sometimes get generated with 75dpi embedded raster schematics etc. Totally useless. That's where the 300 - 600 dpi is needed. bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Rex: Too soon to say. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Rex wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:01:12 -0700, Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: Scott will convert the files and I'll post them when they arrive. I've also added a Windows control program to the page. You may need to force a reload to see the new items. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Will you make the original hpg files available too? PDF isn't my favorite. -Rex ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 15:07:14 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: will be happy to post a high resolution schematic when I locate the hpgl source. The schematic may be more comfortable to view by simply plotting directly to a D-size plotter, but the pdf will work OK if you don't mind the limitations of your screen size. Thanks, Bill, K8CU Hi Bill, thanks for offering, Brooke has the files... bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY JPG can be set to be losless, it's supported by the standard, but I agree GIF or TIFF is better. gif and png are (normally) lossless compression. They are intended for graphs and such that only use a few colors. jpg and tiff are intended for pictures with zillions of colors. jpg is normally lossy and tiff is normally lossless. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I used the free SwiftView viewer to render the page on screen, then PDF creator to print it to pdf. The result is readable, I have uploaded it to http://www.ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/E1938.pdf Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Miles Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:58 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page My plotter emulator (7470.EXE) will actually render the file, but not at a high-enough resolution to read the text. Plus, it was stored in portrait mode for some reason, which is a problem for both 7470.EXE and the other HP-GL viewer I have on this machine (the free GC-Prevue Gerber viewer). So if someone can rotate it and render it to a .PDF at a decent resolution, that'd be helpful... -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arnold Tibus Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:13 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:18:55 -0700, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: I'm working on a web page for the E1938 and have received a bunch of files from Rick. One of them is a .HPG of a schematic. I've tried to use IrfanView, but it's a program I normally don't use and all the images are way too coarse to be useable. Is there a way to convert it to something that can be read? Hello Brooke, Irfanview is in fact very powerful, but as can see in V4.0, it is n o t capable to read HPGL-files - so it is not capable to convert into another format. I know only Autocad able to read .hpg, but that does not look very comfortable. If you have a way to print-out these plot pictures (I suppose they are) so one could make a sharp hi-q picture with a modern 6 Mp camera and use the jpg pictures in your page, is that a possibility for you? regards, Arnold ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Jean-Louis, you can upload it to my server http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Instructions are at the top of the page Merci d'avance, Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Oneto Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:03 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page Hello all, I succeeded to read it with Corel PaintShopPro XI and then converted it to PDF with PDF Creator. The PDF file is 113kB but zip down to 96kB. Let me kow if you're interested, and where I can put it (I don't have a server available here). Have a nice day, Jean-Louis Oneto - Original Message - From: Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Scott: Yes. Can it be read? How did you do it? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Scott Newell wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 01:51 PM 8/28/2007 , Brooke Clarke wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Scott: I have uploaded the smallest one E1938_asdrawb.hpg at: http://www.prc68.com/I/pdf/E1938_asdrawb.hpg Yep, HPGL. Want a pdf? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:22 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page ... XHTML and XML these days. It is only old farts like myself that still hack HTML by hand. My webpages layout makes stone-age feel recent and as a fresh wind. Magnus, you are not the only one :-) www.ko4bb.com, all htmlized by hand... Pages load quickly even through a modem... Didier KO4BB ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Didier, I just put the file on your server under the name E1938_asdrawb.pdf. I can easily save it to other formats as well if anybody prefers. Thanks for giving it a home... Jean-Louis - Original Message - From: Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Jean-Louis, you can upload it to my server http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Instructions are at the top of the page Merci d'avance, Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Oneto Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:03 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page Hello all, I succeeded to read it with Corel PaintShopPro XI and then converted it to PDF with PDF Creator. The PDF file is 113kB but zip down to 96kB. Let me kow if you're interested, and where I can put it (I don't have a server available here). Have a nice day, Jean-Louis Oneto - Original Message - From: Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Scott: Yes. Can it be read? How did you do it? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Scott Newell wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 01:51 PM 8/28/2007 , Brooke Clarke wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Scott: I have uploaded the smallest one E1938_asdrawb.hpg at: http://www.prc68.com/I/pdf/E1938_asdrawb.hpg Yep, HPGL. Want a pdf? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY JPG can be set to be losless, it's supported by the standard, but I agree GIF or TIFF is better. Let's separate the JPEG standard from the baseline JPEG file format JFIF (known as JPG or .jpg). The JFIF file-format selects a profile of the JPEG standard also known as baseline JPEG. Baseline JPEG is not lossless. A number of nifty features from the JPEG standard (such as the IBM entropy codec) is left out the baseline format. TIFF (which is not one compression algorithm, but a format supporting several algorithms) supports the full JPEG standard, but this is rarely supported in real life. gif and png are (normally) lossless compression. They are intended for graphs and such that only use a few colors. jpg and tiff are intended for pictures with zillions of colors. jpg is normally lossy and tiff is normally lossless. ... in real life. Then we have upcomming JPEG2000. Wavelet compression. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 18:24:14 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Didier, I just put the file on your server under the name E1938_asdrawb.pdf. I can easily save it to other formats as well if anybody prefers. Thanks for giving it a home... Jean-Louis Hi Guys, I hope we can accumulate all these E1938A files on Brooke's URL so it's not scattered around... bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:39:25 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ko4bb.com, all htmlized by hand... Yes, but you have decorations like background picture and animated images. I skipped those and the only advanced feature I've tried is some MathML for the hyperfine splitting page. Pages load quickly even through a modem... All creators of overloaded turbo-graphic on their pages should be sentenced to a month of 300 baud modem only access. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 18:29:41 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have you opened a PNG lately in internet explorer? What a headache. Looks totally crappy, cannot zoom, cannot rotate etc. Not a format that's mainstream yet such as JPG. Why would I be using Internet Explorer? Hi Magnus, It's a religious question, so there is no answer to it - just endless discussion. But one reason would be: so we don't have to have these types of incompatibility discussions :) bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Thank you, It's been moved to the Test Equipment page http://www.ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/E1938_asdrawb.pdf Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Oneto Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:23 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page Hi Didier, I just put the file on your server under the name E1938_asdrawb.pdf. I can easily save it to other formats as well if anybody prefers. Thanks for giving it a home... Jean-Louis ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Anyone is welcome to download from where it is and put it where one chooses. I am just supporting an experiment in pdf conversion and offering a place where people can upload documents of general interest. Some documents are too big for file attachments, so it is convenient to be able to ftp them to a public place. I simply offer space to do that. What people do with the material once it is uploaded is their business. I do not intend to duplicate Brooke's or anyone else's pages. Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:40 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page In a message dated 8/28/2007 18:24:14 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Didier, I just put the file on your server under the name E1938_asdrawb.pdf. I can easily save it to other formats as well if anybody prefers. Thanks for giving it a home... Jean-Louis Hi Guys, I hope we can accumulate all these E1938A files on Brooke's URL so it's not scattered around... bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I'll say this once again. The only two appropriate conversion options for the HPGL files are: 1. SVG -- the W3C XML standard for vector graphics (cf. http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ ) 2. PDF -- via a path produces vector PostScript in the PDF, i.e., one that has NOT gone through RIP (Raster Image Processing). (If you claim to have a PDF processing solution, you must say if the solution RIP's the graphics. If it does or you don't know, it is a non-solution!) Anything else is a BAD idea. This certainly includes any path that results in JPEG of any sort, GIF, TIFF, or any other raster images except maybe for thumbnails. I don't care if your raster compression technology is lossless; it is the wrong thing here. (I apologize if I sound harsh, but there's some misinformation being spread.) -ch ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:02:59 -, Jean-Louis Oneto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hello all, I succeeded to read it with Corel PaintShopPro XI and then converted it to PDF with PDF Creator. The PDF file is 113kB but zip down to 96kB. Let me kow if you're interested, and where I can put it (I don't have a server available here). I read that file into CorelDraw, keeping it as a vector file. I used Acrobat to create a PDF, still in vector format. 42kb. Brooke, AutoCAD should be able to read in an HPGL. Look at your file suffix options. sometimes an HPGL file is a .plt (plot) file. That's what Corel wants to see, though it handled .hpg OK. In any event, you'll want to keep them in vector format for all the obvious reasons. If AutoCAD can't do it, send 'em to me or put them up for download and I'll convert them for you. I recommend putting the HPG files up too, as they can be directly squirted to a plotter without having to go through any intermediate process. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com -- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN Why the US is losing its competitivve edge:It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with.-James Niccol ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 8/28/2007 19:53:06 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anything else is a BAD idea. This certainly includes any path that results in JPEG of any sort, GIF, TIFF, or any other raster images except maybe for thumbnails. I don't care if your raster compression technology is lossless; Hi CH, respectfully disagree: that would mean we should get out our good-old pen-plotters and vector-graphics displays as well? But even those rasterize in their DAC and Stepper-Motor resolutions... High-resolution raster-files can guarantee that all traces in a schematic line up, the text has the correct size and type etc, and no one in Asia is modifying the files. File-size is not an issue, our 5-page schematics in 600 dpi turn into a beautiful and tiny 105 KByte PDF file that prints perfectly even on D-Size paper. 105KB is probably less space than an embedded font would take. Especially for schematics run-length coding works wonders on raster files. bye, Said ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:28:01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/28/2007 15:06:22 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PDF is ok, but hard to modify without spending money (like to split a schematic between multiple 8.5 x 11 pages for printing.) Orcad generates great schematics in PDF with Acrobat when set to 300 or better 600dpi. Best printed out on 11x17 on an HP 8500 in color which are available for around $300 used here... Whythahell would anyone convert a nice compact and effectively infinite resolution vector file into raster? The file size blows up to something huge and the resolution is then fixed at whatever DPI was chosen. If the file needs to be rasterized for printing then the proper place for that to be done is in the printer driver. Presumably the printer driver writer knew how to optimize the conversion for his hardware. I hear there is a public-domain PDF writer for windows that's even better than Acrobat. Not even close, at least for the several that I've tried. Ditto a couple of commercial ones. I despise Adobe the company and dislike the clunky and overpriced Acrobat software but to generate nice compact 100% compliant pdfs, it's the only way to go. Please keep these files in vector format, if for not other reason that it bad karma to throw away information needlessly, which is what vector/raster conversion does. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com -- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN I'm so cool, I'm afraid to catch a cold. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:45:11 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: respectfully disagree: that would mean we should get out our good-old pen-plotters and vector-graphics displays as well? My E-size HP pen plotter is still working just fine, thank you. But even those rasterize in their DAC and Stepper-Motor resolutions... The key there is that the rasterization is done IN THE DEVICE where the conversion is done optimally for that device. High-resolution raster-files can guarantee that all traces in a schematic line up, the text has the correct size and type etc, and no one in Asia is modifying the files. File-size is not an issue, our 5-page schematics in 600 dpi turn into a beautiful and tiny 105 KByte PDF file that prints perfectly even on D-Size paper. 105KB is probably less space than an embedded font would take. Especially for schematics run-length coding works wonders on raster files. I don't see very well so when I work on an electronic project I like to plot the schematics out D or E size and plaster the walls of my shop with 'em. When someone gratuitously converts a vector format to a raster format, that option is taken away from me. The best that I can hope to do is take the largest printout from my printer to a copy shop and have it blown up into a crude enlargement, jaggies and all. That costs time and money. It's even dumber to convert mechanical drawings such as Brooke's example. Someone may want to make a replacement panel for the instrument someday. Sure is nice to spit that HPGL or dXF or PDF file at a CNC machine. Can't do that with rasters. If you want raster images then by all means convert to them for your own use but please, leave 'em alone for the rest of us. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com -- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN Nuke the Whales! ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:44:56 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, ok, I guess my comment about 600dpi PDF files being sufficient for the job is not resonating here. Case in point: At a previous employer, our boss insisted vector is the only way to go for schematics and other images. So when we did documentation in Framemaker (under Linux I must add) we added DXF vector files for the schematics as required. The result was a disaster: Framemaker 6 totally butchered our schematics. The DXF files themselves were not the issue. The fault was using a whacky fringe program on a fringe operating system and not the vector file. Do the same thing with a mainline publishing package like PageMaker, InDesign, Quark or even, God forbid, Microsoft turd and see how it comes out. I've contract-published uncountable documents that used vector graphics without a burp. Since we don't plan to re-build the E1938A PCB's here (or do we?) I don't think vector files for simple PCB silkscreen images that are probably ok in 150dpi are an absolute must and raster files are junk. Who knows? What do you reckon these guys would have given for some Gerbers? http://www.altairkit.com/ Actually he tells you how much he'd have given for Gerbers A lot. The trend for people remaking old hardware is increasing http://www.retrothing.com/2006/12/altair_8800_rep.html Some folks commenting here about the absolute need for vector files don't even seem to have an E1938A or a need for it's documentation. Doesn't matter. None of us have crystal balls but with the benefit of hindsight we know (most of us at least) know that it's bad karma to throw information away, especially for no good reason. I can easily convert from vector to raster. Not so easy going the other way. I personally would prefer some low tech JPEG pictures of the E1983A hookup rather than infinite resolution HPGL files of silkscreens etc that are not very helpful in using the unit. So convert 'em yourself to your own needs. Meanwhile leave the originals alone so that other people with other needs (such as myself who needs to blow the drawings up to be able to see them without a magnifying glass) can take care of those. There are zillions of programs out there, free and commercial, that can do the vector/raster conversion. Just not a big deal if that's what you want. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com -- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN What do you call a blonde's dildo? Pneumatic tool. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
