Re: [time-nuts] Further FA-2 Testing

2019-10-13 Thread Richard Solomon
Not much, except that it provides handy
calibration/measurement points.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 12:46 PM Hal Murray  wrote:

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> > provide frequencies at 72.5, 725 and 7,975 MHz that are
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> What's interesting about 72.5, 725, or 7975 MHz?
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Re: [time-nuts] Used ESE ES-911/GPS/NTP Master Time Clock

2019-10-13 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
The eBay auction number : 223703183757

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> On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Gregory Beat  wrote:
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> Time Nuts —
> 
> Used (surplus) ES-911/GPS/NTP units have appeared on eBay from an east coast 
> reseller.  These units were likely surplussed, due to 1024 week rollover 
> issues (GPS).  
> NTP and PSAP usage (911 centers) require an accurate date.
> 
> Two nice photos (on auction page) show inside of the rack cabinet.
> 
> ESE ES-911 Product Sheet (copy not downloadable, from ESE web site)
> http://a2dcorp.us/pdf/ese/ES-911%2520GPS%2520NTP.pdf
> 
> After you have purchased ES-911/GPS/NTP, Contact ESE Support (with product 
> SN).
> ESE can provide (via email) the PDF of Product Manual with Schematic diagram 
> and Parts List.  BONUS: Parts are listed for the Options (ESE uses common 
> PCB).
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> Greg, w9gb
> Chicago
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[time-nuts] Used ESE ES-911/GPS/NTP Master Time Clock

2019-10-13 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
Time Nuts —

The ESE ES-911/GPS/NTP unit was specifically designed to meet the National 
Emergency Number Association (NENA) Standard NENA-04-002 for a Public Safety 
Answering Point (PSAP) Master Clock.  It traditionally provides “Time 
Synchronizing” all components of a PSAP.
==
Used (surplus) ES-911/GPS/NTP units have appeared on eBay from an east coast 
reseller.  These units were likely surplussed, due to 1024 week rollover issues 
(GPS).  
NTP and PSAP usage (911 centers) require an accurate date.

Two nice photos (on auction page) show inside of the rack cabinet.
Some Highlights:

* This ES-911/GPS/NTP model was replaced by ES-911E (new features, components) 
by the “ES-911E” production model.  Newer model has disciplined 10 MHz option 
(K-option).

* Rack mount enclosure.  Plenty of Room for a DIY addition.
* Units are powered by 6 Volts AC (coaxial connector, rear panel).
* 12-channel GPS receiver (ESE normally used Motorola M12(+) receivers).
Contact Art Sepin at Synergy for 1024 rollover or multi-GNSS receiver 
replacement.
https://synergy-gps.com/products/gps/timing-boards-modules/

* 10Base-T port (10 Mbps) for Network Time Protocol (NTP) usage.  
ESE formally use WizNet for that plug-in PCB (current vendor ?).
ES-911 can serve as local time server (NTP) for home network (TCP/IP).

* 6 Volt battery (under aluminum bracket in eBay photos), 
Digi-Key P128-ND, Panasonic LC-R061R3P
Assume the battery is dead and replace with fresh one, $12.84 USD

* Unit has 1 PPS as well as time-code outputs for remote time displays (useful).

ESE ES-911 Product Sheet (copy not downloadable, from ESE web site)
http://a2dcorp.us/pdf/ese/ES-911%2520GPS%2520NTP.pdf

After you have purchased ES-911/GPS/NTP, Contact ESE Support (with product SN).
ESE can provide (via email) the PDF of Product Manual with Schematic diagram 
and Parts List.  BONUS: Parts are listed for the Options (ESE uses common PCB).

Firmware is password protected (ESE intellectual property) and Flashed/EEPROM 
in the often Intel MCS-51 (8051) processor.
==
Greg, w9gb
Chicago

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Re: [time-nuts] Further FA-2 Testing

2019-10-13 Thread Hal Murray


dickw1...@gmail.com said:
> provide frequencies at 72.5, 725 and 7,975 MHz that are 

What's interesting about 72.5, 725, or 7975 MHz?


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Re: [time-nuts] FA-2 Operator manual

2019-10-13 Thread djl
Didier has allowed .doc and .docx documents. I've uploaded Perrier's 
.docx so the set is complete.

Don
On 2019-10-12 16:33, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote:

Yo Bubba Dudes!,
For those who may be interested, I D/L djl's FA-2 manual and revised
both pictures and text.
Don said he would post it for me on the KO4BB site as I haven't had
good luck uploading stuff.
Regards,
Perrier
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[time-nuts] Further FA-2 Testing

2019-10-13 Thread Richard Solomon
I use a GPSDO as my lab
standard and as the reference
for my Freq Counters.

I have another "Box" I picked
up that will accept a 10 MHz
signal from my GPSDO and
provide frequencies at 72.5,
725 and 7,975 MHz that are
locked to the GPSDO.

After sufficient warm-up I
was surprised to see the FA-2
would count the 7,975 MHz
signal (accurately). So it seems
the FA-2's upper frequency limit
is a tad higher than spec'ed.

73, Dick, W1KSZ
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Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO Heater

2019-10-13 Thread djl
Hello:  proportional controllers from the Old Country are also available 
for around $15 on ebay. The one i have uses type K thermocouple.

Don

On 2019-10-12 18:13, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote:

Yo Bubba Dudes!,
The suggestion was made to use a ebay item number 192112054053 heater
for this project.
Now it's cheap and has a digital reading.
BUT
It is a bang- bang controller using a relay.  At some point that relay
will stop working.  Also all designs I've seen for good temperature
control use proportional solid state controllers.  There are plenty of
free designs on the internet.
Lastly, if one believes that this is long term reliable controller
that will deliver .1 degree accuracy, for that price, please contact
me off line and I will set you up with some really cheap (but slightly
scorched and a burned wood smell) lots to where you can build your
dream home here in California.
Regards,
Perrier



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Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO Heater

2019-10-13 Thread Mark Goldberg
I created a temperature test setup for my TCXOs. Relay control did not last
long because the relay was operating once a second or so and the Peltier
uses a lot of current. The relay contacts welded in a few hours. Luckily I
was watching when it happened. A PID controller running H bridges works a
lot better to control the temperature accurately. I made a custom control
algorithm that ramps the temperature up and down and takes frequency
readings. There are temperature control algorithms that are supposed to
automatically tune the system gains, but I have not tried them.

https://sites.google.com/site/markstcxo/home/test-jig

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 7:00 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

> Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> The suggestion was made to use a ebay item number 192112054053 heater for
> this project.
> Now it's cheap and has a digital reading.
> BUT
> It is a bang- bang controller using a relay.  At some point that relay
> will stop working.  Also all designs I've seen for good temperature control
> use proportional solid state controllers.  There are plenty of free designs
> on the internet.
> Lastly, if one believes that this is long term reliable controller that
> will deliver .1 degree accuracy, for that price, please contact me off line
> and I will set you up with some really cheap (but slightly scorched and a
> burned wood smell) lots to where you can build your dream home here in
> California.
> Regards,
> Perrier
>
>
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[time-nuts] FA-2 questions

2019-10-13 Thread Mark Sims
No,  the power switch turns off all power.   See my post about the warm up 
characteristics of the FA2 OCXO:

http://lists.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts_lists.febo.com/2019-October/097803.html

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>First, does the internal OCXO run when the power is turned off?
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