Re: [tips] Are some Ethiopians jewish?

2010-04-07 Thread Mike Palij
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:09:11 -0700, Stephen Black wrote:
>[snip]
>Enough about Jews, already?

Wait, we haven't discussed the Kaifeng Jews, the Chinese Jews; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews

For a 1907 article on the "Chinese Jews" that appeared in the
"National Geographics", see:
http://www.haruth.com/JewsChina1907.html

Is Stephen Black being disrespectful towards Aisians by not giving
them equal time?   ;-)

And oh, for more on "Jewish Genes" here is a blog based on a 2000 
article in a Proceedings of the National Academy of Scince:
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html

Quoting from the blog's quote of the article:
|"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and 
|isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were 
|not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. 
|The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools 
|of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the 
|Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern 
|ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities 
|have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish 
|communities during and after the Diaspora."
|(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)

But why don't we open it up to all known Jewish groups, as
represented in a Wikipedia entry (SDA); see"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

And what are we to make of Julius Lester? Oy Gewalt!
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Lester

Well, as a Yeshiva student once told me during class where
we were having difficulty getting a consensus position on something:
"Look Prof, you get three Jews togethers, don't be surprised
that you get five opinions to deal with!"

-Mike Palij
New York University
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Re: [tips] Are some Ethiopians jewish?

2010-04-07 Thread sblack
On 7 Apr 2010 at 21:45, michael sylvester wrote:

> I am sure that many are aware of a group of Ethiopians who claim to be 
> jewish(Falanges/Phalanges ??sp)
> Israel was slow to accept them as jewish,but they were later accepted into 
> Israel.
> However Israel discarded all the blood donated by the group from the Israeli 
> blood banks.

True, and they did claim the reason was racial discrimination. 
However, according to Ynet News, back in 2006, the official 
reason was this:

"Magen David Adom spokesman Yeruham Mendola responded 
to the claims:"The guidelines set by the Ministry of Health 
determines that anyone who was born, or who lived for over a 
year since 1977 in central Africa, southeast Asia or the 
Carribean islands, or has spent over six months in Britain, or 
was in France, Ireland or Portugal for over 10 years - can chose 
not to donate blood, or donate blood, which is then marked, and 
know that it will not be used for transfusions." 

I myself spent a year in Britain during the mad cow (BSE) 
epidemic and, as a result, I am not allowed to give blood in 
Canada. I do not consider this discrimination but a reasonable 
precaution. 

I might also mention that Israel carried out a dramatic rescue of 
these Ethiopian Jews from civil war and starvation, and brought 
them to Israel. A quick check through Wikipedia indicates that 
they do not have the genetic markers we've been discussing 
characteristic of other Jews (their DNA differs from 
"conventional Jewish populations").

Enough about Jews, already?


Stephen

Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.  
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus   
Bishop's University   
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
2600 College St.
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[tips] To Indian and Pakistani tipsters

2010-04-07 Thread michael sylvester
Any thoughts about the intended marriage of the Pakistani cricket captain and 
the Indian woman celebrity?
Seems like very big news and frenzy on the Indian sub-continent and on Al 
Esterson's TV set.

Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida
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[tips] Are some Ethiopians jewish?

2010-04-07 Thread michael sylvester
This is a take on the current  slow to expand thread on whether jews form a 
race,
I am sure that many are aware of a group of Ethiopians who claim to be 
jewish(Falanges/Phalanges ??sp)
Israel was slow to accept them as jewish,but they were  later accepted into 
Israel.
However Israel discarded all the blood donated by the group from the Israeli 
blood banks.

Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD
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Re: [tips] Do Jews form a race?

2010-04-07 Thread michael sylvester


- Original Message - 
From: "Allen Esterson" 
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 


Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [tips] Do Jews form a race?


?Louis Schmier writes:


As for those learned English judges who seemed to follow the path

Halakha (the woman is the religious determinant since we know from
whose womb a child comes while no one can be sure who is the father)
because it was the easiest road to walk. […] According to you, their
legal ruling had the scientific consequences of establishing physical
laws of biology, making the Jews into a biological race.  Funny thing
happened earlier on the way to Auschwitz, their learned counterparts,
as well as the bureaucrats in the Rassenamt, did the same thing in Nazi
Germany.  And, as a consequence, both I and my wife lost family both
shot and buried during the "hidden Holocaust" in a field outside
Bobrika in Galicia and Zhitomir in the Ukraine by the Einstats gruppen
and gassed and burned at the death factory of Auschwitz because of such
bigoted, hateful tripe.  There are more holes, huge gaps, in your
assertion, but that's enough.  I find this discussion distasteful, but
necessary. If you want to continue it, bring it on.<

Louis: By all means take issue with Stephen's account of what
constitutes Jewishness (and given the complexities there is more than
one "logical" conclusion that one may arrive at), but I find it
distasteful that you chose to make a connection between the verdict of
the British Supreme Court cited by Stephen with Nazi race laws. (You,
not Stephen, describe the Nazi judges as "learned counterparts" to the
judges in question.)

I'm sure that the Supreme Court judges would rather have not been
called upon to adjudicate in what was essentially an intra-Jewish
dispute – or, more specifically, a dispute between British Orthodox
Judaism and reform Judaism. (I'm sure a large number of secular Jews
like me looked on the whole affair with a certain degree of
bewilderment.)

The issue revolved around whether, within the law as it is currently
constituted, the status of the child in question should be as
recognised by the Office of the Chief Rabbi (the OCR) or according to
the lights of the non-Orthodox section of the British Judaism. Faced
with this difficult task, the High Court came down in favour of the
OCR, but this verdict was overturned on appeal, and the Supreme Court
upheld the appeal. The precise details of the dispute can be seen from
the verdict of the Appeal Court:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2009/626.html

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
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[tips] Do Jews form a race?

2010-04-07 Thread sblack
I  knew I shouldn't have done  it, and yet I did. Now I hear myself 
screaming, "Stop, stop! Don't do it again. Get help for your 
SPAA (Stupid Pointless Argument Addiction)!  And yet I persist.  

I'm shocked that Louis would stoop to the cheap and 
disrespectful trick of invoking the Holocaust as a bullying tactic 
to attempt to silence me.  I'm sure the tactic has worked well for 
him in the past.  But not this time. What am I supposed to do, 
compete with him in whose family suffered more?  

Louis sneered:

>  (1) So, tell me, does a convert to Judaism instantly undergo
> a miraculous genetic mutation and racial
> transformation induced by the mystic waters of the mikvah? 
>  Here in our community, the rabbi is converting an 
> entire African-American family to Judaism.  Do something
 > genetic with that! 

It was clear that I was talking about Jews in general, and the 
existence of a small number of converts as a special case does 
not refute the findings that I cited. These findings show that 
people who self-identify as Jews or the children of Jews tend to 
have certain genetic markers in common, and therefore may 
reasonably be referred to as a race in the biological sense.  It 
seems patently obvious that this would not apply to converts.  

As Louis has trouble with the obvious, let me try again. Consider 
the analogy of having red hair, unquestionably a hereditary 
disorder. Yet anyone afflicted with red hair can cure themselves 
merely by walking into a drugstore.  But the existence of hair 
dye  to create conversions to red hair does not weaken our 
understanding of the genetic origin of hair colour.  It's still 
hereditary, even though on some occasions it might not be. 

So it is with conversion and the concept of race applied to Jews. 
As for Louis terming such ideas "bigoted, hateful tripe",  it is 
about as racist to say that Jews have an identifiable biological 
heritage as it is to say the same thing about people with red 
hair. Both accusations are equally silly. It is not the fact of 
biological heritage that is racist but the use of such information 
to favour one group over another.  Calling such ideas racist and 
building up a fine lather of indignation over them are the kind of 
tactics employed when one has nothing else to offer. 

Stephen

(Relax, red-haired people. It's a joke. Some of my best friends 
have red hair.)


Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.  
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus   
Bishop's University   
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
2600 College St.
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[tips] Society for the Teaching of Psychology Working Groups

2010-04-07 Thread DIANE FINLEY
To all who have emailed - thanks for the response. I think the groups
are probably full at this point but if you are interested in getting
involved, let me know know and I will pass your information along.

Diane


Diane L. Finley, Ph.D.
Professor , Department of Psychology
Program Chair,  D47 - APA (Exercise and Sport Psychology)
Vice-President, Society for the Teaching of Psychology
2011 Program Chair, Eastern Psychological Assn
Certified Consultant. AASP
Prince George's Community College
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Re: [tips] Society for the Teaching of Psychology Working Groups

2010-04-07 Thread Dr. Bob Wildblood
Diane,

I am a member of STP and am interested in being considered to serve on a 
working group.  I know that I have not been terribly active in STP and I'm not 
a member of APA, but if you need somebody, I'd be interested.  By the way, I'm 
back in Virginia, doing adjunct work at Germanna CC and have applied for a 
couple of different jobs at NVCC two teaching and one administrative.  In spite 
of the winter snows and two April days in the low 90's, I'm glad to be back in 
VA.

Bob

 Original message 
>Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:43:41 -0400
>From: "DIANE FINLEY"   
>Subject: [tips] Society for the Teaching of Psychology Working Groups  
>To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
>
>
>If you are a member of STP and would like to get more involved, I am
>looking for members who would be interested in serving on two working
>groups related to membership issues. This is a great way to become
>involved without a huge time commitment. If interested, please let me
>know at dfin...@pgcc.edu. 
>
>If you are not a member of STP, did you know you can join WITHOUT
>joining APA? Membership is only $25 or $15 for students and retirees!
>So, please join us!!!
>http://teachpsych.org/members/registration/index.php
>
>Diane
>
>
>Diane L. Finley, Ph.D.
>Professor , Department of Psychology
>Program Chair,  D47 - APA (Exercise and Sport Psychology)
>Vice-President, Society for the Teaching of Psychology
>2011 Program Chair, Eastern Psychological Assn
>Certified Consultant. AASP
>Prince George's Community College
>301 Largo Road
>Largo MD 20774
>(301) 322-0869
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>http://academic.pgcc.edu/~dfinley
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[tips] Top 10 Psychology Apps for the iPad

2010-04-07 Thread Michael Britt
Love it or hate it, here are my selections for 10 very cool psychology- 
related iphone/ipad/ipod apps:


http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2010/04/episode-121-top-10-psychology-apps-for-the-ipad-iphone-ipod/

Michael

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RE: [tips] Interesting citation and reference question

2010-04-07 Thread Annette Taylor
You know, you can direct such questions to a citation expert at the APA. I 
would be interested in getting the information from their perspective, if you 
can post to list after you find out.

Annette

Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Professor, Psychological Sciences
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110
tay...@sandiego.edu

From: Paul Bernhardt [pcbernha...@frostburg.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:40 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] Interesting citation and reference question

A student of mine is writing a paper for someone else's class, but asked me 
about proper citations. The paper is about Alcoholics Anonymous and he has gone 
to the AA website and other sources for various pieces of information. Some of 
the things he wants to cite are personal observations by AA members who sign 
their observations in the traditional AA way: first name followed by last name 
initial, (e.g., Sam T.). He wants to know the correct way to cite and reference 
these persons' writings

For instance, should he write a sentence like this, "One member has described 
an AA meeting as a "leaderless non-denominational religious ceremony" (Sam T., 
2010). Or  should it be, "One member has described an AA meeting as a 
"leaderless non-denominational religious ceremony" (T., 2010).

In the reference list should it be:

Sam T. (2010). Religious aspects of AA. Retrieved April 7, 2010 from 
http://www.about.com/AA/.

or

T., S. (2010). Religious aspects of AA. Retrieved April 7, 2010 from 
http://www.about.com/AA/.


Paul Bernhardt
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Frostburg State University
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Re: [tips] Interesting citation and reference question

2010-04-07 Thread Beth Benoit
Now that's an interesting one.  I didn't find anything useful in the new
manual, but my gut would go with "T." first in the document and in the
Reference section, since it does go with the writer's last name.
Beth Benoit
Granite State College
Plymouth State University
New Hampshire

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Paul Bernhardt wrote:

> A student of mine is writing a paper for someone else's class, but asked me
> about proper citations. The paper is about Alcoholics Anonymous and he has
> gone to the AA website and other sources for various pieces of information.
> Some of the things he wants to cite are personal observations by AA members
> who sign their observations in the traditional AA way: first name followed
> by last name initial, (e.g., Sam T.). He wants to know the correct way to
> cite and reference these persons' writings
>
> For instance, should he write a sentence like this, "One member has
> described an AA meeting as a "leaderless non-denominational religious
> ceremony" (Sam T., 2010). Or  should it be, "One member has described an AA
> meeting as a "leaderless non-denominational religious ceremony" (T., 2010).
>
> In the reference list should it be:
>
> Sam T. (2010). Religious aspects of AA. Retrieved April 7, 2010 from
> http://www.about.com/AA/.
>
> or
>
> T., S. (2010). Religious aspects of AA. Retrieved April 7, 2010 from
> http://www.about.com/AA/.
>
>
> Paul Bernhardt
> Dept of Psychology
> Frostburg State University
> pcbernhardt _at_ frostburg _dot_ edu
>
>
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[tips] Interesting citation and reference question

2010-04-07 Thread Paul Bernhardt
A student of mine is writing a paper for someone else's class, but asked me 
about proper citations. The paper is about Alcoholics Anonymous and he has gone 
to the AA website and other sources for various pieces of information. Some of 
the things he wants to cite are personal observations by AA members who sign 
their observations in the traditional AA way: first name followed by last name 
initial, (e.g., Sam T.). He wants to know the correct way to cite and reference 
these persons' writings

For instance, should he write a sentence like this, "One member has described 
an AA meeting as a "leaderless non-denominational religious ceremony" (Sam T., 
2010). Or  should it be, "One member has described an AA meeting as a 
"leaderless non-denominational religious ceremony" (T., 2010).

In the reference list should it be: 

Sam T. (2010). Religious aspects of AA. Retrieved April 7, 2010 from 
http://www.about.com/AA/.

or

T., S. (2010). Religious aspects of AA. Retrieved April 7, 2010 from 
http://www.about.com/AA/.


Paul Bernhardt
Dept of Psychology
Frostburg State University
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[tips] Society for the Teaching of Psychology Working Groups

2010-04-07 Thread DIANE FINLEY
If you are a member of STP and would like to get more involved, I am
looking for members who would be interested in serving on two working
groups related to membership issues. This is a great way to become
involved without a huge time commitment. If interested, please let me
know at dfin...@pgcc.edu. 

If you are not a member of STP, did you know you can join WITHOUT
joining APA? Membership is only $25 or $15 for students and retirees!
So, please join us!!!
http://teachpsych.org/members/registration/index.php

Diane


Diane L. Finley, Ph.D.
Professor , Department of Psychology
Program Chair,  D47 - APA (Exercise and Sport Psychology)
Vice-President, Society for the Teaching of Psychology
2011 Program Chair, Eastern Psychological Assn
Certified Consultant. AASP
Prince George's Community College
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Largo MD 20774
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[tips] STP Graduate Student Association

2010-04-07 Thread DIANE FINLEY
Please see the announcement below about hosting the GSTA for the next 3 years. 
This is a great opportunity for a graduate level program. 

The Graduate Student Teaching Association (GSTA) is the student affiliate 
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Re: [tips] Do Jews form a race?

2010-04-07 Thread Allen Esterson
?Louis Schmier writes:

> As for those learned English judges who seemed to follow the path 
Halakha (the woman is the religious determinant since we know from 
whose womb a child comes while no one can be sure who is the father) 
because it was the easiest road to walk. […] According to you, their 
legal ruling had the scientific consequences of establishing physical 
laws of biology, making the Jews into a biological race.  Funny thing 
happened earlier on the way to Auschwitz, their learned counterparts, 
as well as the bureaucrats in the Rassenamt, did the same thing in Nazi 
Germany.  And, as a consequence, both I and my wife lost family both 
shot and buried during the "hidden Holocaust" in a field outside 
Bobrika in Galicia and Zhitomir in the Ukraine by the Einstats gruppen  
and gassed and burned at the death factory of Auschwitz because of such 
bigoted, hateful tripe.  There are more holes, huge gaps, in your 
assertion, but that's enough.  I find this discussion distasteful, but 
necessary. If you want to continue it, bring it on.<

Louis: By all means take issue with Stephen's account of what 
constitutes Jewishness (and given the complexities there is more than 
one "logical" conclusion that one may arrive at), but I find it 
distasteful that you chose to make a connection between the verdict of 
the British Supreme Court cited by Stephen with Nazi race laws. (You, 
not Stephen, describe the Nazi judges as "learned counterparts" to the 
judges in question.)

I'm sure that the Supreme Court judges would rather have not been 
called upon to adjudicate in what was essentially an intra-Jewish 
dispute – or, more specifically, a dispute between British Orthodox 
Judaism and reform Judaism. (I'm sure a large number of secular Jews 
like me looked on the whole affair with a certain degree of 
bewilderment.)

The issue revolved around whether, within the law as it is currently 
constituted, the status of the child in question should be as 
recognised by the Office of the Chief Rabbi (the OCR) or according to 
the lights of the non-Orthodox section of the British Judaism. Faced 
with this difficult task, the High Court came down in favour of the 
OCR, but this verdict was overturned on appeal, and the Supreme Court 
upheld the appeal. The precise details of the dispute can be seen from 
the verdict of the Appeal Court:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2009/626.html

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
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RE: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology, Astronomy, History, and Tragedy

2010-04-07 Thread Brandon, Paul K
Allen--
I don't think we really have a disagreement here.
Basically, I was positing (and Chris supported) that Darwin used Lamarckian 
transmission (not selection) to fill the function that genetics fills in the 
'modern synthesis'.  We are talking about action at two different levels of 
analysis that complement (not replace) each other.

PAUL K. BRANDON
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From: Allen Esterson [allenester...@compuserve.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:44 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology, Astronomy, 
History, and Tragedy

?Paul Brandon writes:
>Minor point:
>'Natural Selection' is a process; Lamarckian transmission is a
>possible mechanism underlying that process. This is the
>sense in which I used the term; as you did in your last paragraph
>in your first reply.

Paul: I don't think I've ever read anyone saying what you are
suggesting. Anyway, here is my paragraph in question:

>My understanding is that in later editions of *On the Origin of
>Species* Darwin allowed a very limited role for Lamarckian
>mechanisms because he had problems with inheritance, and
>with the estimations of the age of the earth at that time.

Natural selection is itself a proposed mechanism for transformation of
species. As such it does not require an underlying process. Darwin
resorted to Lamarckian explanations only where he did not believe that
natural selection could give a full explanation. For instance, one
factor that led him to suggest Lamarckian mechanisms as a subsidiary to
his theory of species change is that at that time the accepted age of
the earth didn't appear to be enough for the slow process of natural
selection to explain everything about life on earth. (His increased
resorting to Lamarckian explanations in later editions of *Origin* was
largely in response to criticism of the first edition.) For Darwin,
Lamarckian mechanisms were a proposed *additional* process, not one
that underlay natural selection.

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
allenester...@compuserve.com
http://www.esterson.org

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RE: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology, Astronomy,
History, and Tragedy
Brandon, Paul K
Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:29:31 -0700
Allen:

Minor point:
'Natural Selection' is a process;
Lamarckian transmission is a possible mechanism underlying that process.
This is the sense in which I used the term; as you did in your last
paragraph
in your first reply.

--

From: Allen Esterson [allenester...@compuserve.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:18 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology,
Astronomy,
History, and Tragedy

?One thing at a time! I was answering Paul Brandon's saying that "Darwin
relied on Lamarck for a mechanism underlying natural selection". This
is not the case. Natural selection is an alternative process to
Lamarckian theory, as is evident from Darwin's writing in 1844 that in
his theory "the means [of the transformation of species] are wholly
different" from that postulated by Lamarck. (This was written when he
had just completed his first major sketch of his theory.)

Chris Green is right that I should not have written that natural
selection was in "opposition" to Lamarckian theory, rather that it was
an alternative theory.

Chris writes:
>"On the contrary," Darwin allowed an increasingly large role
>for Lamarckian evolution over the course of the six editions of
>_Origin of Species._ Although Darwin saw that his mechanism
>was different from Lamarck's. he did not rule out the Lamarckian
> mechanism (these are two quite distinct questions).

The issue here (if there is one!) seems to be a matter of degree. I
wrote that
>My understanding is that in later editions of *On the
>Origin of Species* Darwin allowed a very limited role
>for Lamarckian mechanisms because he had problems
>with inheritance, and with the estimations of the age of
>the earth at that time.

I don't have expertise on this topic, but I'll quote the words of
someone who does. The evolutionary philosopher Helena Cronin writes
that "in Britain, by the second half of the nineteenth century, most
Darwinians (including Darwin himself – but not Wallace) accepted
use-inheritance as a subsidiary agent in evolution" (*The Ant and the
Peacock: Altruism and Sexual Selection from Darwin to Today*, 1991, p.
36). In other words, although Darwin allowed an increasing role for
Lamarckian mechanisms through the editions of *Origin* it remained
*subsidiary* to the main process of natural selection.

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
allenester...@compuserve

FW: [tips] Do Jews form a race?

2010-04-07 Thread Louis Schmier
So, Steven, I don't believe this is even a discussion among us.  All I'll say 
is that you
can't be serious.  If you are, I'll kindly say, horse feathers.  Aside at your 
thinly
veiled attempt at character assassination to bolster your position, I'll only 
poke at one
or two of the many holes in your position.  (1) So, tell me, does a convert to 
Judaism
instantly undergo a miraculous genetic mutation and racial transformation 
induced by the
mystic waters of the mikvah?  If so, that ranks up there with the parting of 
the Red Sea.
Here in our community, the rabbi is converting an entire African-American 
family to
Judaism.  Do something genetic with that!  And what of a Jew who converts to 
another
religion?  Another miraculous biological transformation?  (2) As for those 
learned English
judges who seemed to follow the path Halakha (the woman is the religious 
determinant since
we know from whose womb a child comes while no one can be sure who is the 
father) because
it was the easiest road to walk.  What if the Jewish mother was a convert?  
More genetic
miracles?  And since when did "learned" jurists become paragons of biological 
science?
According to you, their legal ruling had the scientific consequences of 
establishing
physical laws of biology, making the Jews into a biological race.  Funny thing 
happened
earlier on the way to Auschwitz, their learned counterparts, as well as the 
bureaucrats in
the Rassenamt, did the same thing in Nazi Germany.  And, as a consequence, both 
I and my
wife lost family both shot and buried during the "hidden Holocaust" in a field 
outside
Bobrika in Galicia and Zhitomir in the Ukraine by the Einstatsgruppen  and 
gassed and
burned at the death factory of Auschwitz because of such bigoted, hateful 
tripe.  There
are more holes, huge gaps, in your assertion, but that's enough.  I find this 
discussion
distasteful, but necessary.  If you want to continue it, bring it on.


Make it a good day.

  --Louis--


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Re: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology, Astronomy, History, and Tragedy

2010-04-07 Thread Allen Esterson
?Paul Brandon writes:
>Minor point:
>'Natural Selection' is a process; Lamarckian transmission is a
>possible mechanism underlying that process. This is the
>sense in which I used the term; as you did in your last paragraph
>in your first reply.

Paul: I don't think I've ever read anyone saying what you are 
suggesting. Anyway, here is my paragraph in question:

>My understanding is that in later editions of *On the Origin of
>Species* Darwin allowed a very limited role for Lamarckian
>mechanisms because he had problems with inheritance, and
>with the estimations of the age of the earth at that time.

Natural selection is itself a proposed mechanism for transformation of 
species. As such it does not require an underlying process. Darwin 
resorted to Lamarckian explanations only where he did not believe that 
natural selection could give a full explanation. For instance, one 
factor that led him to suggest Lamarckian mechanisms as a subsidiary to 
his theory of species change is that at that time the accepted age of 
the earth didn't appear to be enough for the slow process of natural 
selection to explain everything about life on earth. (His increased 
resorting to Lamarckian explanations in later editions of *Origin* was 
largely in response to criticism of the first edition.) For Darwin, 
Lamarckian mechanisms were a proposed *additional* process, not one 
that underlay natural selection.

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
allenester...@compuserve.com
http://www.esterson.org

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RE: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology, Astronomy, 
History, and Tragedy
Brandon, Paul K
Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:29:31 -0700
Allen:

Minor point:
'Natural Selection' is a process;
Lamarckian transmission is a possible mechanism underlying that process.
This is the sense in which I used the term; as you did in your last 
paragraph
in your first reply.

--

From: Allen Esterson [allenester...@compuserve.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:18 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology, 
Astronomy,
History, and Tragedy

?One thing at a time! I was answering Paul Brandon's saying that "Darwin
relied on Lamarck for a mechanism underlying natural selection". This
is not the case. Natural selection is an alternative process to
Lamarckian theory, as is evident from Darwin's writing in 1844 that in
his theory "the means [of the transformation of species] are wholly
different" from that postulated by Lamarck. (This was written when he
had just completed his first major sketch of his theory.)

Chris Green is right that I should not have written that natural
selection was in "opposition" to Lamarckian theory, rather that it was
an alternative theory.

Chris writes:
>"On the contrary," Darwin allowed an increasingly large role
>for Lamarckian evolution over the course of the six editions of
>_Origin of Species._ Although Darwin saw that his mechanism
>was different from Lamarck's. he did not rule out the Lamarckian
> mechanism (these are two quite distinct questions).

The issue here (if there is one!) seems to be a matter of degree. I
wrote that
>My understanding is that in later editions of *On the
>Origin of Species* Darwin allowed a very limited role
>for Lamarckian mechanisms because he had problems
>with inheritance, and with the estimations of the age of
>the earth at that time.

I don't have expertise on this topic, but I'll quote the words of
someone who does. The evolutionary philosopher Helena Cronin writes
that "in Britain, by the second half of the nineteenth century, most
Darwinians (including Darwin himself – but not Wallace) accepted
use-inheritance as a subsidiary agent in evolution" (*The Ant and the
Peacock: Altruism and Sexual Selection from Darwin to Today*, 1991, p.
36). In other words, although Darwin allowed an increasing role for
Lamarckian mechanisms through the editions of *Origin* it remained
*subsidiary* to the main process of natural selection.

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
allenester...@compuserve.com
http://www.esterson.org


Re: [tips] What A Day: Mystery, Redemption, Astrology, Astronomy,
History, and Tragedy
Christopher D. Green
Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:30:55 -0700

Allen Esterson wrote:
> Paul Brandon wrote:
>> Darwin himself relied on Lamarck for a mechanism underlying
>> natural selection, since he wasn't aware of Mendel's work.
>
> On the contrary, the theory of natural selection was in *opposition*
to
> Lamarck's theory of the inheritance of acquired characteristics. In a
> letter to Joseph Hooker in 1844 Darwin wrote that "the conclusions I
am
> led to are not widely different from his [Lamarck's]; though the means
> are wholly so." More generally, Lamarck's evolutiona