[tips] Compare and contrast
Mike P took a shot at conservative republicans re an updated version of Twain's faith perspective.However,President Obama seemed to have issued a statement about some folks clinging on to their guns.This seems to be more than political. michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27172 or send a blank email to leave-27172-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Did Mark Twain say
- Original Message - From: "Mike Palij" To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" Cc: "Michael Palij" Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:41 PM Subject: re: [tips] Did Mark Twain say On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:50:02 -0700, Michael Sylvester wrote: something like this "Faith is what people cling to when they know it ain't so?" Yes, in that it was something like that. In Twain's "Following the Equator", he starts chapters with an epigraph and in Chapter 12 he wrote: |There are those who scoff at the schoolboy, calling him frivolous and |shallow: Yet it was the schoolboy who said "Faith is believing what you |know ain't so." |--Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar. http://www.literaturecollection.com/a/twain/following-equator/13/ Today, however, instead of faith one is more likely to see the phrase "Conservative Republican Policy positions". -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: msylves...@copper.net. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13424.eb17e1c03643c971ab35c22d86587541&n=T&l=tips&o=27169 or send a blank email to leave-27169-13424.eb17e1c03643c971ab35c22d86587...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27171 or send a blank email to leave-27171-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Did Mark Twain say
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:29:44 -0700, Christopher Green wrote: "Faith is believing what you know ain't so" is what is usually attributed to him (without specific citation). Some take this to be a witty rendering of a verse in Hebrews about believing n "things not seen." Others know better. :-) Here's something else attributed to Twain: "It is wiser to find out than suppose." See, that's what you get when you specialize in history instead of American literature. So let me drop some knowledge on you all and lead you to all of the Pudd'nhead Maxims from Twain's "Following the Equator" (1897): see http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/wilson/pwequat.html One epigraph that seems particularly apt for U.S. politics is: |It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly |native American criminal class except Congress. Yer welcome. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu On 2013-08-19, at 9:51 PM, "michael sylvester" wrote: something like this "Faith is what people cling to when they know it ain't so?" --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27170 or send a blank email to leave-27170-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
re: [tips] Did Mark Twain say
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:50:02 -0700, Michael Sylvester wrote: something like this "Faith is what people cling to when they know it ain't so?" Yes, in that it was something like that. In Twain's "Following the Equator", he starts chapters with an epigraph and in Chapter 12 he wrote: |There are those who scoff at the schoolboy, calling him frivolous and |shallow: Yet it was the schoolboy who said "Faith is believing what you |know ain't so." |--Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar. http://www.literaturecollection.com/a/twain/following-equator/13/ Today, however, instead of faith one is more likely to see the phrase "Conservative Republican Policy positions". -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27169 or send a blank email to leave-27169-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Did Mark Twain say
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so" is what is usually attributed to him (without specific citation). Some take this to be a witty rendering of a verse in Hebrews about believing n "things not seen." Others know better. :-) Here's something else attributed to Twain: "It is wiser to find out than suppose." Chris ... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo On 2013-08-19, at 9:51 PM, "michael sylvester" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > something like this "Faith is what people cling to when they know it ain't > so?" > > michael > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=27165 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > leave-27165-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > > > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27166 or send a blank email to leave-27166-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Did Mark Twain say
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RE:[tips] Question...
Okay then, I shall think on this some more, and relax more. :)
Thanks!
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> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:18 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: RE:[tips] Question...
>
> Hi
>
> Consider the binomial distribution. One calculates an exact
> probability that for n = 20 and p = .5, p(x = 13) = .xx (whatever .xx
> is). If one now approximates this with a normal distribution, we find
> the area between 7.5 and 8.5 and report p = .yy (roughly). That is, we
> do not (cannot?) say that p is < .yy, as that would be nonsense.
> Considering now the tails of the distribution, if we want to
> approximate the p value for x >= 8, then we report (estimated) p
> between 7.5 and 20, and it would be nonsense to say p <= some value as
> it could actually be greater given it is an estimate.
>
> Extending this thinking to the p value for a statistical results, we
> are calculating (estimating) the probability that our test statistic is
> greater than or equal to the observed value. That is, p = .05 = p(z >=
> 1.645) = an area or the interval between 1.645 and infinity.
>
> I guess another way to think about this is that our observed value may
> have noise associated with it, but the probability distribution does
> not. That is, given a specified value for z, t, F, whatever, the
> probability for that value is exact.
>
> Take care
> Jim
>
> Jim Clark
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>
> Hi, Jim --
>
> But that's my point (no pun intended): if I report p = .xx, then I'm
> reporting a point, not an interval. If I report p < .xx, then I'm
> reporting an interval.
>
> Am I misunderstanding? (It's been known to happen...)
>
> m
>
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> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I think this is a miss-application of that rule. The p value is an
> > area, not a point estimate.
> >
> > Take care
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Clark
> > Professor & Chair of Psychology
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> > -Original Message-
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> > Hi, All --
> >
> > Hope your school years are off to a good start, if they've started
> (we
> > start Wednesday and I am SO not ready).
> >
> > But I have a question: am I being a pedant if I insist that my
> > students never report an exact _p_ value? IIRC from my calc days,
> the
> > probability of obtaining an exact value of a random variable is zero.
> >
> > I suppose I should just go with the flow, but it sort of rankles...
> >
> > What do you all think?
> >
> > m
> >
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RE:[tips] Question...
Hi
Consider the binomial distribution. One calculates an exact probability that
for n = 20 and p = .5, p(x = 13) = .xx (whatever .xx is). If one now
approximates this with a normal distribution, we find the area between 7.5 and
8.5 and report p = .yy (roughly). That is, we do not (cannot?) say that p is <
.yy, as that would be nonsense. Considering now the tails of the distribution,
if we want to approximate the p value for x >= 8, then we report (estimated) p
between 7.5 and 20, and it would be nonsense to say p <= some value as it could
actually be greater given it is an estimate.
Extending this thinking to the p value for a statistical results, we are
calculating (estimating) the probability that our test statistic is greater
than or equal to the observed value. That is, p = .05 = p(z >= 1.645) = an
area or the interval between 1.645 and infinity.
I guess another way to think about this is that our observed value may have
noise associated with it, but the probability distribution does not. That is,
given a specified value for z, t, F, whatever, the probability for that value
is exact.
Take care
Jim
Jim Clark
Professor & Chair of Psychology
204-786-9757
4L41A
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From: Marc Carter [mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE:[tips] Question...
Hi, Jim --
But that's my point (no pun intended): if I report p = .xx, then I'm reporting
a point, not an interval. If I report p < .xx, then I'm reporting an interval.
Am I misunderstanding? (It's been known to happen...)
m
--
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Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
--
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> From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:47 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: RE:[tips] Question...
>
> Hi
>
> I think this is a miss-application of that rule. The p value is an
> area, not a point estimate.
>
> Take care
> Jim
>
> Jim Clark
> Professor & Chair of Psychology
> 204-786-9757
> 4L41A
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc Carter [mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:42 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: [tips] Question...
>
> Hi, All --
>
> Hope your school years are off to a good start, if they've started (we
> start Wednesday and I am SO not ready).
>
> But I have a question: am I being a pedant if I insist that my
> students never report an exact _p_ value? IIRC from my calc days, the
> probability of obtaining an exact value of a random variable is zero.
>
> I suppose I should just go with the flow, but it sort of rankles...
>
> What do you all think?
>
> m
>
> --
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> Sciences Baker University
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RE:[tips] Question...
Hi, Jim --
But that's my point (no pun intended): if I report p = .xx, then I'm reporting
a point, not an interval. If I report p < .xx, then I'm reporting an interval.
Am I misunderstanding? (It's been known to happen...)
m
--
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Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
--
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> From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:47 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: RE:[tips] Question...
>
> Hi
>
> I think this is a miss-application of that rule. The p value is an
> area, not a point estimate.
>
> Take care
> Jim
>
> Jim Clark
> Professor & Chair of Psychology
> 204-786-9757
> 4L41A
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc Carter [mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:42 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: [tips] Question...
>
> Hi, All --
>
> Hope your school years are off to a good start, if they've started (we
> start Wednesday and I am SO not ready).
>
> But I have a question: am I being a pedant if I insist that my students
> never report an exact _p_ value? IIRC from my calc days, the
> probability of obtaining an exact value of a random variable is zero.
>
> I suppose I should just go with the flow, but it sort of rankles...
>
> What do you all think?
>
> m
>
> --
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> Associate Professor of Psychology
> Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts &
> Sciences Baker University
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RE:[tips] Question...
Hi
I think this is a miss-application of that rule. The p value is an area, not a
point estimate.
Take care
Jim
Jim Clark
Professor & Chair of Psychology
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Subject: [tips] Question...
Hi, All --
Hope your school years are off to a good start, if they've started (we start
Wednesday and I am SO not ready).
But I have a question: am I being a pedant if I insist that my students never
report an exact _p_ value? IIRC from my calc days, the probability of
obtaining an exact value of a random variable is zero.
I suppose I should just go with the flow, but it sort of rankles...
What do you all think?
m
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Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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[tips] Question...
Hi, All --
Hope your school years are off to a good start, if they've started (we start
Wednesday and I am SO not ready).
But I have a question: am I being a pedant if I insist that my students never
report an exact _p_ value? IIRC from my calc days, the probability of
obtaining an exact value of a random variable is zero.
I suppose I should just go with the flow, but it sort of rankles...
What do you all think?
m
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Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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