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RE: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-08-09 Thread Rick Froman

Although our psych department doesn't have a corresponding grad program (our 
Grad School has a separate Counseling program), I have to agree with Michael 
Scoles and extend his statement from undergrads and grad students to fellow 
faculty. I consult with a number of our faculty on their dissertations (many of 
our new faculty are ABD) and it always strikes me the extent to which the 
things they have questions about are the concepts I teach in my undergrad 
classes in Stats, Research and Psych Testing. The questions aren't about how to 
get SPSS to do such-and-such (they seem to have a good grasp of that somehow). 
The questions are always about what the output means. There are some 
idiosyncrasies with how SPSS presents things that might be useful for them to 
know (like why is p-value called ".Sig"?) but I prefer students to know the 
underpinnings of the results and so I am not quick to teach them anything that 
just becomes a recipe for "enter the data here and watch the pretty numbers 
come out over there".

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman, Chair
Division of Humanities and Social Sciences
John Brown University
Siloam Springs, AR  72761
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From: Michael Scoles [micha...@uca.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:13 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

When I was in graduate school, folks from the clinical wing would suck it up 
and come visit with us rat runners with the following question (stated in 
different ways).  I've got the printout from BMDP from my dissertation data.  
Do any of you people down here know what it means.

I resist using SPSS to teach statistics until the most advanced graduate 
courses.  If they can perform simple computations on a calculator, and more 
complex ones with the help of Excel, they might have a chance of understanding 
what those SPSS outputs mean.




Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR 72035
501-450-5418>>> Marc Carter  6/6/2012 12:35 PM >>>
Hi, All --

A little unscientific poll for you.

We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing 
pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad 
school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is SPSS 
still pretty common.

Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much more 
toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize that 
schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a little 
more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the departments 
that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by pushing things 
off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my students, but have to 
think "thrifty."

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad programs, 
what stats software packages are available to your students?

Thanks!

m

--
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Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-08-09 Thread Gerald Peterson

Agree ... it involves lots of separate instruction. This is one reason why we 
developed separate class for computer use as companion to our research methods 
class. Students take Stats, after or with a required Sci Foundation class that 
reviews major methods supposedly covered in Intro Psych.  Then they take 
Experimental Psych along with the Computer class. We had emphasized SAS, but 
are now giving them SPSS. ALL  of these should be stressing apa format also. 
After this sequence, they may then take lab classes (requiring all of above) 
where they work further on class activities/projects involving research design, 
stats, and apa write-up specific to areas. Sounds good ? but, still, it is the 
special student who becomes really well versed in SPSS, and goes on to do indep 
research with faculty. Such folks should be able to handle and learn more in 
grad programIF they can get in any these days ha. 
Anyway, just one effort to deal with covering stats programs. 

 
G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
Psychology@SVSU


On Aug 8, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Paul C Bernhardt  wrote:

>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> This is my opinion, also. Using SPSS, or any other program, with all our 
> undergraduates is generally not a good idea. The reason that I feel that way 
> is that I have plenty to do to teach them how to understand concepts and 
> context. I'm also usually teaching them how to write in APA style. So, if I 
> add to that a statistics package, I have to teach them how to use that 
> package. That is a lot of time spent trying to metaphorically teach the 
> student how to start and put into first gear a high performance race car when 
> all they really need to know is how to drive a regular road car with a manual 
> transmission and then write an accurate description of that process. I don't 
> want to teach fewer research/statistical concepts and less about writing just 
> to teach about software that does what they learn from their book how to do 
> by hand. If the student is outstanding enough to be going to a Ph.D. or 
> Masters with thesis program, the student is clever enough to learn SPSS in 
> the instruction they get in graduate school. I know that we did special 
> instruction in its use because that was my TA position for two semesters, 
> teaching how to use SPSS and BMDP. 
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Michael Scoles wrote:
> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> When I was in graduate school, folks from the clinical wing would suck it up 
>> and come visit with us rat runners with the following question (stated in 
>> different ways).  I've got the printout from BMDP from my dissertation data. 
>>  Do any of you people down here know what it means.
>>  
>> I resist using SPSS to teach statistics until the most advanced graduate 
>> courses.  If they can perform simple computations on a calculator, and more 
>> complex ones with the help of Excel, they might have a chance of 
>> understanding what those SPSS outputs mean.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling
>> University of Central Arkansas
>> Conway, AR 72035
>> 501-450-5418>>> Marc Carter  6/6/2012 12:35 PM >>>
>> Hi, All --
>> 
>> A little unscientific poll for you.
>> 
>> We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been 
>> doing pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get 
>> to grad school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.
>> 
>> That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
>> thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is 
>> SPSS still pretty common.
>> 
>> Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much 
>> more toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize 
>> that schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a 
>> little more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the 
>> departments that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by 
>> pushing things off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my 
>> students, but have to think "thrifty."
>> 
>> So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad 
>> programs, what stats software packages are available to your students?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> m
>> 
>> --
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>> Associate Professor of Psychology
>> Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
>> College of Arts & Sciences
>> Baker University
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-08-08 Thread Jim Clark

Hi

It depends I think on how much time you have to impart statistics and research 
methods to undergraduates.  In our honours program, students have a second full 
year of primarily statistics with some methods on top of a half course in 
introductory statistics and a half course in methods.  The intro stats and 
methods courses make some use of SPSS, but primarily in labs and in minimal 
depth.

The honours course, however, is another kettle of fish.  SPSS is used 
intensively because the course covers regression and anova analyses that would 
be difficult and overly time consuming to perform always by hand, although 
students do learn and get some practice with such calculations and get to 
confirm them against SPSS output.  And SPSS is used to student-specific 
simulated results of studies. Moreover, SPSS contributes greatly to student 
understanding of the statistical procedures, in ways that do not require 
sophisticated mathematics.  For example, students can learn about the unique 
contribution of predictors in multiple regression by correlating the dependent 
variable with residual predictor scores containing only the variability unique 
to each predictor.  Or students can use SPSS to generate predicted cell means 
in a factorial ANOVA based only on main effects, allowing for the calculation 
of SS AxB.  And so on.

As for the utility of this approach, many students who have gone on to graduate 
school have commented on how much more prepared they generally are for graduate 
level statistics than students from other programs.  Anecdotal I know.

Take care
Jim



James M. Clark
Professor of Psychology and Chair
204-786-9757
204-774-4134 Fax
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>>> Paul C Bernhardt  08-Aug-12 10:22 pm >>>
This is my opinion, also. Using SPSS, or any other program, with all our 
undergraduates is generally not a good idea. The reason that I feel that way is 
that I have plenty to do to teach them how to understand concepts and context. 
I'm also usually teaching them how to write in APA style. So, if I add to that 
a statistics package, I have to teach them how to use that package. That is a 
lot of time spent trying to metaphorically teach the student how to start and 
put into first gear a high performance race car when all they really need to 
know is how to drive a regular road car with a manual transmission and then 
write an accurate description of that process. I don't want to teach fewer 
research/statistical concepts and less about writing just to teach about 
software that does what they learn from their book how to do by hand. If the 
student is outstanding enough to be going to a Ph.D. or Masters with thesis 
program, the student is clever enough to learn SPSS in the instruction they get 
in graduate school. I know that we did special instruction in its use because 
that was my TA position for two semesters, teaching how to use SPSS and BMDP.

Paul

On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Michael Scoles wrote:







When I was in graduate school, folks from the clinical wing would suck it up 
and come visit with us rat runners with the following question (stated in 
different ways).  I've got the printout from BMDP from my dissertation data.  
Do any of you people down here know what it means.

I resist using SPSS to teach statistics until the most advanced graduate 
courses.  If they can perform simple computations on a calculator, and more 
complex ones with the help of Excel, they might have a chance of understanding 
what those SPSS outputs mean.




Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR 72035
501-450-5418>>> Marc Carter 
mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu>> 6/6/2012 12:35 PM >>>
Hi, All --

A little unscientific poll for you.

We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing 
pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad 
school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is SPSS 
still pretty common.

Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much more 
toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize that 
schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a little 
more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the departments 
that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by pushing things 
off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my students, but have to 
think "thrifty."

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad programs, 
what stats software packages are available to your students?

Thanks!

m

--
Marc Carter, PhD
Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-08-08 Thread Paul C Bernhardt

This is my opinion, also. Using SPSS, or any other program, with all our
undergraduates is generally not a good idea. The reason that I feel that way is
that I have plenty to do to teach them how to understand concepts and context.
I'm also usually teaching them how to write in APA style. So, if I add to that
a statistics package, I have to teach them how to use that package. That is a
lot of time spent trying to metaphorically teach the student how to start and
put into first gear a high performance race car when all they really need to
know is how to drive a regular road car with a manual transmission and then
write an accurate description of that process. I don't want to teach fewer
research/statistical concepts and less about writing just to teach about
software that does what they learn from their book how to do by hand. If the
student is outstanding enough to be going to a Ph.D. or Masters with thesis
program, the student is clever enough to learn SPSS in the instruction they get
in graduate school. I know that we did special instruction in its use because
that was my TA position for two semesters, teaching how to use SPSS and BMDP.

Paul

On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Michael Scoles wrote:

When I was in graduate school, folks from the clinical wing would suck it up
and come visit with us rat runners with the following question (stated in
different ways). I've got the printout from BMDP from my dissertation data.
Do any of you people down here know what it means.

I resist using SPSS to teach statistics until the most advanced graduate
courses. If they can perform simple computations on a calculator, and more
complex ones with the help of Excel, they might have a chance of understanding
what those SPSS outputs mean.

Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR 72035
501-450-5418>>> Marc Carter
mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu>> 6/6/2012 12:35 PM >>>
Hi, All --

A little unscientific poll for you.

We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing
pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad
school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're
thinking right, today. Should we move to a different stats package, or is SPSS
still pretty common.

Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much more
toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize that
schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a little
more reasonable (although still hideously expensive). Here the departments
that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by pushing things
off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my students, but have to
think "thrifty."

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad programs,
what stats software packages are available to your students?

Thanks!

--
Marc Carter, PhD
Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-08-08 Thread Michael Scoles

Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR 72035
501-450-5418>>> Marc Carter 6/6/2012 12:35 PM >>>
Hi, All --

A little unscientific poll for you.

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're
thinking right, today. Should we move to a different stats package, or is SPSS
still pretty common.

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad programs,
what stats software packages are available to your students?

Thanks!

--
Marc Carter, PhD
Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-06-10 Thread Michael Britt

Karl,

I've recently been checking out JMP.  Looks pretty user friendly.  Do you have 
more experience with it?  Thoughts?


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On Jun 10, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote:

>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   SAS and JMP, at no cost to ECU.  Minitab, cost not known to me.  
> SPSS, at a cost that is making us reconsider making it available.  No longer 
> can students get a free copy for home use – but it is not all that expensive 
> for them to purchase.
>  
> Cheers,
> 
> From: MiguelRoig [mailto:miguelr...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:35 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Actually, and for the reasons you state, we are reconsidering SPSS at this 
> time.
>  
> Miguel
> 
> From: "Marc Carter" 
> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:35:32 PM
> Subject: [tips] Stats software in grad school..
> 
> Hi, All --
> 
> A little unscientific poll for you.
> 
> We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing 
> pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad 
> school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.
> 
> That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
> thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is 
> SPSS still pretty common.
> 
> Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much 
> more toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize 
> that schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a 
> little more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the 
> departments that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by 
> pushing things off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my 
> students, but have to think "thrifty."
> 
> So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad 
> programs, what stats software packages are available to your students?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> m
> 
> --
> Marc Carter, PhD
> Associate Professor of Psychology
> Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
> College of Arts & Sciences
> Baker University
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RE: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-06-09 Thread Wuensch, Karl L

  SAS and JMP, at no cost to ECU.  Minitab, cost not known to me.  
SPSS, at a cost that is making us reconsider making it available.  No longer 
can students get a free copy for home use – but it is not all that expensive 
for them to purchase.

Cheers,
[Description: Karl L. Wuensch]<http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm>
From: MiguelRoig [mailto:miguelr...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:35 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

Actually, and for the reasons you state, we are reconsidering SPSS at this time.

Miguel

From: "Marc Carter" mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu>>
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
mailto:tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:35:32 PM
Subject: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

Hi, All --

A little unscientific poll for you.

We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing 
pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad 
school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is SPSS 
still pretty common.

Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much more 
toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize that 
schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a little 
more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the departments 
that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by pushing things 
off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my students, but have to 
think "thrifty."

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad programs, 
what stats software packages are available to your students?

Thanks!

m

--
Marc Carter, PhD
Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-06-06 Thread MiguelRoig



Actually, and for the reasons you state, we are reconsidering SPSS at this 
time. 



Miguel 



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From: "Marc Carter"  
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:35:32 PM 
Subject: [tips] Stats software in grad school.. 

Hi, All -- 

A little unscientific poll for you. 

We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing 
pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad 
school that's the package they're most likely to encounter. 

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is SPSS 
still pretty common. 

Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much more 
toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize that 
schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a little 
more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the departments 
that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by pushing things 
off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my students, but have to 
think "thrifty." 

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad programs, 
what stats software packages are available to your students? 

Thanks! 

m 

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Associate Professor of Psychology 
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences 
College of Arts & Sciences 
Baker University 
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-06-06 Thread David Epstein


On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Christopher Green went:


SPSS is still quite common here among the general run of grad
students, but it is generally regarded as the "lesser" of various
products. SAS is preferred by people who are a little more
stats-intensive. And everyone who considers (or intends) statistical
methods to be one of their areas of expertise uses R.


If you intend to work with repeated-measures data in which any
datapoints are missing (or with predictors that vary over time), SAS
and R offer procedures more powerful and flexible than SPSS does.
Where I work, SPSS users frequently come to me so I can deal with
their data in SAS's Proc Mixed or Proc Glimmix.

Oh--many of those procedures can also be done with this freeware
, but I haven't tried it.

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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-06-06 Thread Christopher Green

SPSS is still quite common here among the general run of grad students, but it 
is generally regarded as the "lesser" of various products. SAS is preferred by 
people who are a little more stats-intensive. And everyone who considers (or 
intends) statistical methods to be one of their areas of expertise uses R. 

Chris
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On 2012-06-06, at 1:35 PM, Marc Carter wrote:

> Hi, All --
> 
> A little unscientific poll for you.
> 
> We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing 
> pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad 
> school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.
> 
> That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
> thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is 
> SPSS still pretty common.
> 
> Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much 
> more toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize 
> that schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a 
> little more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the 
> departments that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by 
> pushing things off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my 
> students, but have to think "thrifty."
> 
> So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad 
> programs, what stats software packages are available to your students?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> m
> 
> --
> Marc Carter, PhD
> Associate Professor of Psychology
> Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
> College of Arts & Sciences
> Baker University
> --
> 
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Re: [tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-06-06 Thread Ken Steele

SPSS is used most frequently in our MA-level courses. There is greater
variability among individual research labs, including SAS, SYSTAT,
Minitab, STATA and SPSS.

Our STAT department teaches the first course in our undergraduate
research methods sequence. They use 'R.'

Ken

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Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu
Appalachian State University
Boone, NC 28608
USA

On 6/6/2012 1:35 PM, Marc Carter wrote:

Hi, All --

A little unscientific poll for you.

We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have
been doing pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the
students get to grad school that's the package they're most likely to
encounter.

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering
if we're thinking right, today. Should we move to a different stats
package, or is SPSS still pretty common.

Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed
much more toward business applications, but this last year they
seemed to realize that schools were a large part of their clientele,
and have made pricing a little more reasonable (although still
hideously expensive). Here the departments that want that package
buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by pushing things off onto
departments), and so I want to do right by my students, but have to
think "thrifty."

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad
programs, what stats software packages are available to your
students?

Thanks!

-- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor of Psychology Chair,
Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts&
Sciences Baker University --

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[tips] Stats software in grad school..

2012-06-06 Thread Marc Carter

Hi, All --

A little unscientific poll for you.

We consider our program to be a grad-school-prep program, and have been doing 
pretty heavy instruction in SPSS, thinking that when the students get to grad 
school that's the package they're most likely to encounter.

That was certainly my experience a few years ago, but I'm wondering if we're 
thinking right, today.  Should we move to a different stats package, or is SPSS 
still pretty common.

Since IBM bought it it's gone through some changes and seemed headed much more 
toward business applications, but this last year they seemed to realize that 
schools were a large part of their clientele, and have made pricing a little 
more reasonable (although still hideously expensive).  Here the departments 
that want that package buy it (IT decided to cut its budget by pushing things 
off onto departments), and so I want to do right by my students, but have to 
think "thrifty."

So, the poll: for those of you who work in departments that have grad programs, 
what stats software packages are available to your students?

Thanks!

m

--
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Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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