Re: contrib directory
I've requested a project named tomcat-launcher, leaving the tomcat-contrib open, on SourceForge. It runs on Apache 2.0 License. I'll send a notification whether it would be approved or not. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Leslie Kishalmi wrote: Dear all, I could tell the very same story with Ant, NetBeans, OS/2, CVS, as Meg. I also agree that experimental should not be included or in an other project. tomcat-launcher and tomcat-contrib maybe? (Ant and ant-contrib is a different story. I think the tasks included in ant-contrib violate the basic ant rule which says ant is not a script language.) Garrison, Meg wrote: FWIW, we have recently contributed some OpenVMS-specific changes to Ant, which they accepted. We did not contribute to Ant-contrib. I've signed CLAs for NetBeans, there isn't an issue on this end with that. I assume the ASF CLA isn't all that different from the others. Also, I use cvs from my windows desktop machine to access the cvs server where the netbeans cvs library resides. Or, if you really mean we need a Unix machine, we have lots of those here at HP ;-) But, in any case, if the only consensus we can reach at this point is that a tomcat-contrib project would be the best place to host these sorts of files, then yes, let's do it :-) I personally would prefer that the tomcat-contrib project only contain contributions like mine and Leslie's because I think the NetBeans folks would be comfortable taking things like launchers, rather than experimental stuff, but I realize I don't really get a say in this. Meg -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costin Manolache Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: contrib directory Garrison, Meg wrote: Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the moment. Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs. Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process. Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This would be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental stuff and code that is not necesarily servlet container but is tomcat related ( like non-http servers, etc ). Costin Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have
RE: contrib directory
Thanks Leslie. Let me know if there's something I can do to help. Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:33 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: contrib directory I've requested a project named tomcat-launcher, leaving the tomcat-contrib open, on SourceForge. It runs on Apache 2.0 License. I'll send a notification whether it would be approved or not. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Leslie Kishalmi wrote: Dear all, I could tell the very same story with Ant, NetBeans, OS/2, CVS, as Meg. I also agree that experimental should not be included or in an other project. tomcat-launcher and tomcat-contrib maybe? (Ant and ant-contrib is a different story. I think the tasks included in ant-contrib violate the basic ant rule which says ant is not a script language.) Garrison, Meg wrote: FWIW, we have recently contributed some OpenVMS-specific changes to Ant, which they accepted. We did not contribute to Ant-contrib. I've signed CLAs for NetBeans, there isn't an issue on this end with that. I assume the ASF CLA isn't all that different from the others. Also, I use cvs from my windows desktop machine to access the cvs server where the netbeans cvs library resides. Or, if you really mean we need a Unix machine, we have lots of those here at HP ;-) But, in any case, if the only consensus we can reach at this point is that a tomcat-contrib project would be the best place to host these sorts of files, then yes, let's do it :-) I personally would prefer that the tomcat-contrib project only contain contributions like mine and Leslie's because I think the NetBeans folks would be comfortable taking things like launchers, rather than experimental stuff, but I realize I don't really get a say in this. Meg -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costin Manolache Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: contrib directory Garrison, Meg wrote: Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the moment. Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs. Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process. Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This would be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental stuff and code that is not necesarily servlet container but is tomcat related ( like non-http servers, etc ). Costin Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally
Re: contrib directory
Dear all, I could tell the very same story with Ant, NetBeans, OS/2, CVS, as Meg. I also agree that experimental should not be included or in an other project. tomcat-launcher and tomcat-contrib maybe? (Ant and ant-contrib is a different story. I think the tasks included in ant-contrib violate the basic ant rule which says ant is not a script language.) Garrison, Meg wrote: FWIW, we have recently contributed some OpenVMS-specific changes to Ant, which they accepted. We did not contribute to Ant-contrib. I've signed CLAs for NetBeans, there isn't an issue on this end with that. I assume the ASF CLA isn't all that different from the others. Also, I use cvs from my windows desktop machine to access the cvs server where the netbeans cvs library resides. Or, if you really mean we need a Unix machine, we have lots of those here at HP ;-) But, in any case, if the only consensus we can reach at this point is that a tomcat-contrib project would be the best place to host these sorts of files, then yes, let's do it :-) I personally would prefer that the tomcat-contrib project only contain contributions like mine and Leslie's because I think the NetBeans folks would be comfortable taking things like launchers, rather than experimental stuff, but I realize I don't really get a say in this. Meg -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costin Manolache Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: contrib directory Garrison, Meg wrote: Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the moment. Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs. Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process. Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This would be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental stuff and code that is not necesarily servlet container but is tomcat related ( like non-http servers, etc ). Costin Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm
RE: contrib directory
Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this. Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you... Thank you ;) Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: contrib directory
Hi, That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source collaborations. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this. Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you... Thank you ;) Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL
RE: contrib directory
why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the Tomcat files are found. Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat changes to NetBeans, see http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420 And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and a catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans ships. The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why I opened http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499 against Tomcat. Meg -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi, That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source collaborations. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this. Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you... Thank you ;) Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone
RE: contrib directory
Hi, Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this. I'd be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages. You (two) could be its committers, and we could work together to get additional contributors setup there. There has to be a critical mass... Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the Tomcat files are found. Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat changes to NetBeans, see http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420 And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and a catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans ships. The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why I opened http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499 against Tomcat. Meg -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi, That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source collaborations. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this. Are you really going to take the contrib
Re: contrib directory
Dear all, I've walked almost the same path with OS/2 on the NetBeans side as Meg with OpenVMS. A new sourceforge project could be a working idea. As then both TomCat and maybe tomcat-contrib would be a third-party stuff for NetBeans. So we might convince them to include this into their release (4.1 earliest). Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this. I'd be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages. You (two) could be its committers, and we could work together to get additional contributors setup there. There has to be a critical mass... Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the Tomcat files are found. Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat changes to NetBeans, see http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420 And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and a catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans ships. The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why I opened http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499 against Tomcat. Meg -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi, That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source collaborations. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit
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I guess that's what we'll have to do. -meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I've walked almost the same path with OS/2 on the NetBeans side as Meg with OpenVMS. A new sourceforge project could be a working idea. As then both TomCat and maybe tomcat-contrib would be a third-party stuff for NetBeans. So we might convince them to include this into their release (4.1 earliest). Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this. I'd be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages. You (two) could be its committers, and we could work together to get additional contributors setup there. There has to be a critical mass... Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the Tomcat files are found. Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat changes to NetBeans, see http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420 And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and a catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans ships. The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why I opened http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499 against Tomcat. Meg -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi, That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source collaborations. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we
Re: contrib directory
Garrison, Meg wrote: Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the moment. Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs. Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process. Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This would be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental stuff and code that is not necesarily servlet container but is tomcat related ( like non-http servers, etc ). Costin Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this. Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you... Thank you ;) Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this. I'd be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages. You (two) could be its committers, and we could work together to get additional contributors setup there. There has to be a critical mass... It seems there is some mass - if the same idea is mentioned at the same time by more people :-) I think it would be good to have few tomcat committers as project admins - at least 3 (the magic number). I volunteer, it seems Yoav is also interested - anyone else ? Costin Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the Tomcat files are found. Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat changes to NetBeans, see http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420 And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and a catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans ships. The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why I opened http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499 against Tomcat. Meg -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi, That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source collaborations. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out.. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now.. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have
RE: contrib directory
FWIW, we have recently contributed some OpenVMS-specific changes to Ant, which they accepted. We did not contribute to Ant-contrib. I've signed CLAs for NetBeans, there isn't an issue on this end with that. I assume the ASF CLA isn't all that different from the others. Also, I use cvs from my windows desktop machine to access the cvs server where the netbeans cvs library resides. Or, if you really mean we need a Unix machine, we have lots of those here at HP ;-) But, in any case, if the only consensus we can reach at this point is that a tomcat-contrib project would be the best place to host these sorts of files, then yes, let's do it :-) I personally would prefer that the tomcat-contrib project only contain contributions like mine and Leslie's because I think the NetBeans folks would be comfortable taking things like launchers, rather than experimental stuff, but I realize I don't really get a say in this. Meg -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costin Manolache Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: contrib directory Garrison, Meg wrote: Hi Leslie, I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to boot us out. That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the moment. Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs. Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process. Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This would be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental stuff and code that is not necesarily servlet container but is tomcat related ( like non-http servers, etc ). Costin Any other ideas? Meg -Original Message- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this. Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution
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Dear all, I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them. I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally. One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this. Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you... Thank you ;) Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
