Re: Time for TLP?
I think it was around for a while, and cooking :) May be... First of all we deserve that, because Tomcat is one of the best ASF projects, with strong and active community. True Also, more people are discussing Tomcat then the Tomcat developers itself, so probably that's one of the reasons. All in all, it will mean more work on our side, but I think It's worth the effort, because the Tomcat will be perceived as 'lean-and-mean-sexy-machine' :) What will be the extra works ? Back to the topic: If you look at the comments from Jakarta community, even they are for that proposal, because frankly, Tomcat is in a way 'artificial body' inside what the rest of the Jakarta projects are. So the move is to go TLP ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
+0 - If not now, it will be asked again in another few months. -Tim Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, In light of these recent discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=42733325833w=2 m=42733325833w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
Henri Gomez wrote: All in all, it will mean more work on our side, but I think It's worth the effort, because the Tomcat will be perceived as 'lean-and-mean-sexy-machine' :) What will be the extra works ? Mostly administrative and documentation namespace change, but think it's one-time-job. So the move is to go TLP ? Well, like Tim said, if not now, we'll come to this subject in couple of months again. IMO now, is as well as good as any other time. Let's do that admin task and move forward to what's count; coding. Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
I'm not a committer, but thought I'd give my half pence worth. Tomcat has come a long way and is second to none. TC5.5.x really has made tremendous strides and is even with the best servlet containers out there. it does seem like the java community at large would like to see tomcat as TLP, so might as well. Jakarta is pretty healthy, so I don't think it's necessary to use TC to boost the visibility of jakarta anymore. peter lin On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:23:29 +0100, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: All in all, it will mean more work on our side, but I think It's worth the effort, because the Tomcat will be perceived as 'lean-and-mean-sexy-machine' :) What will be the extra works ? Mostly administrative and documentation namespace change, but think it's one-time-job. So the move is to go TLP ? Well, like Tim said, if not now, we'll come to this subject in couple of months again. IMO now, is as well as good as any other time. Let's do that admin task and move forward to what's count; coding. Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Time for TLP?
Howdy, Well, the consensus seems mostly clear. I'll draft a formal proposal and send out a vote email, unless anyone has strong objections... Yoav -Original Message- From: Mladen Turk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:23 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Time for TLP? Henri Gomez wrote: All in all, it will mean more work on our side, but I think It's worth the effort, because the Tomcat will be perceived as 'lean-and-mean-sexy-machine' :) What will be the extra works ? Mostly administrative and documentation namespace change, but think it's one-time-job. So the move is to go TLP ? Well, like Tim said, if not now, we'll come to this subject in couple of months again. IMO now, is as well as good as any other time. Let's do that admin task and move forward to what's count; coding. Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
Well, in such case the Yoav should rise an official VOTE POLL on tomcat-dev. Yoav, it's up to you On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:46:00 -0500, Peter Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a committer, but thought I'd give my half pence worth. Tomcat has come a long way and is second to none. TC5.5.x really has made tremendous strides and is even with the best servlet containers out there. it does seem like the java community at large would like to see tomcat as TLP, so might as well. Jakarta is pretty healthy, so I don't think it's necessary to use TC to boost the visibility of jakarta anymore. peter lin On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:23:29 +0100, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: All in all, it will mean more work on our side, but I think It's worth the effort, because the Tomcat will be perceived as 'lean-and-mean-sexy-machine' :) What will be the extra works ? Mostly administrative and documentation namespace change, but think it's one-time-job. So the move is to go TLP ? Well, like Tim said, if not now, we'll come to this subject in couple of months again. IMO now, is as well as good as any other time. Let's do that admin task and move forward to what's count; coding. Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
I was concerned at the additional management overhead such a move would place on us, particularly the PMC chair, and the impact this might have in terms of reduced time for actual development. However, after actually reading what is involved and comparing it to what we have to do now for the Jakarta PMC the change is far less than I had imagined. I believe that the benefits, particularly in terms of greater visbility and clearer branding, more than outweigh the costs. +1 Mark Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, In light of these recent discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=42733325833w=2 m=42733325833w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Time for TLP?
Hi, In light of these recent discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=42733325833w=2 m=42733325833w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
Yoav Shapira wrote: I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Me too, as you already know :) +1 Regards, Mladen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Time for TLP?
TLP = Top Level Project ? -Original Message- From: Yoav Shapira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:42 PM To: 'Tomcat Developers List' Subject: Time for TLP? Hi, In light of these recent discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=42733325833w=2 m=42733325833w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Time for TLP?
Hi, Yea, TLP = Top-Level Project. My apologies for the acronym ;) It would mean Tomcat leaves Jakarta technically. There would be a Tomcat PMC (roughly consisting of all current committers), reporting to the ASF Board. There would be a tomcat.apache.org instead of Jakarta.apache.org/tomcat (obviously old links will be kept as forwarding URLs for sanity sake). For more details on what's involved, you can google on the promotions of Struts, Lucene, Cocoon, or any other sub-project that's now an Apache TLP. As I said before, this is an informal survey. A formal proposal and vote would be the next step, but as one can see from the URLs below, there is a broad level of support within the ASF for Tomcat becoming its own TLP. Yoav -Original Message- From: Derrick Koes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:28 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: Time for TLP? TLP = Top Level Project ? -Original Message- From: Yoav Shapira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:42 PM To: 'Tomcat Developers List' Subject: Time for TLP? Hi, In light of these recent discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=42733325833w=2 m=42733325833w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
It was proposed months ago when ant became TLP and the consensus at this time was to keep Tomcat in the jakarta. I'd like to know the reason who motive this move ;) On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:00:54 -0500, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yea, TLP = Top-Level Project. My apologies for the acronym ;) It would mean Tomcat leaves Jakarta technically. There would be a Tomcat PMC (roughly consisting of all current committers), reporting to the ASF Board. There would be a tomcat.apache.org instead of Jakarta.apache.org/tomcat (obviously old links will be kept as forwarding URLs for sanity sake). For more details on what's involved, you can google on the promotions of Struts, Lucene, Cocoon, or any other sub-project that's now an Apache TLP. As I said before, this is an informal survey. A formal proposal and vote would be the next step, but as one can see from the URLs below, there is a broad level of support within the ASF for Tomcat becoming its own TLP. Yoav -Original Message- From: Derrick Koes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:28 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: Time for TLP? TLP = Top Level Project ? -Original Message- From: Yoav Shapira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:42 PM To: 'Tomcat Developers List' Subject: Time for TLP? Hi, In light of these recent discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=42733325833w=2 m=42733325833w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Time for TLP?
Hi, The main reason is in the threads quoted in my original email: there is increased support and motivation for it in the broader ASF community. A secondary reason is my own personal interest in seeing Tomcat become an even stronger brand. Yoav -Original Message- From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:25 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Time for TLP? It was proposed months ago when ant became TLP and the consensus at this time was to keep Tomcat in the jakarta. I'd like to know the reason who motive this move ;) On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:00:54 -0500, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yea, TLP = Top-Level Project. My apologies for the acronym ;) It would mean Tomcat leaves Jakarta technically. There would be a Tomcat PMC (roughly consisting of all current committers), reporting to the ASF Board. There would be a tomcat.apache.org instead of Jakarta.apache.org/tomcat (obviously old links will be kept as forwarding URLs for sanity sake). For more details on what's involved, you can google on the promotions of Struts, Lucene, Cocoon, or any other sub-project that's now an Apache TLP. As I said before, this is an informal survey. A formal proposal and vote would be the next step, but as one can see from the URLs below, there is a broad level of support within the ASF for Tomcat becoming its own TLP. Yoav -Original Message- From: Derrick Koes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:28 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: Time for TLP? TLP = Top Level Project ? -Original Message- From: Yoav Shapira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:42 PM To: 'Tomcat Developers List' Subject: Time for TLP? Hi, In light of these recent discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=4256091r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta- generalm=42733325833w=2 m=42733325833w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=1753782r=1w=2 r=1w=2 I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
Henri Gomez wrote: It was proposed months ago when ant became TLP and the consensus at this time was to keep Tomcat in the jakarta. I'd like to know the reason who motive this move ;) I think it was around for a while, and cooking :) First of all we deserve that, because Tomcat is one of the best ASF projects, with strong and active community. Also, more people are discussing Tomcat then the Tomcat developers itself, so probably that's one of the reasons. All in all, it will mean more work on our side, but I think It's worth the effort, because the Tomcat will be perceived as 'lean-and-mean-sexy-machine' :) Back to the topic: If you look at the comments from Jakarta community, even they are for that proposal, because frankly, Tomcat is in a way 'artificial body' inside what the rest of the Jakarta projects are. Regards, Mladen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for TLP?
Yoav Shapira schrieb: I think we're ready to move Tomcat to a TLP. There's a lot of support for it in the general Jakarta and ASF ranks. Before we write and vote on a proposal, I wanted to see informally what the opinions are within our own group about this potential move. I'm obviously +1. +1, I think the tomcat community is big ... :-) Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
