Re: [Slightly OT] MVC approach when JSP are not allowed
Elihu Smails wrote: I am working on a project that uses servlets exclusively. I would like to take advantage of a Model-View-Controller system in order to develop my servlets. For the last servlet project I worked on, I was in charge of the back-end data processing and did not have to mess with HTML. This time I do have to roll up my sleeves and play with HTML. So I ask the question. Since the requirement that I have is to use servlets only, can I use something like Struts or Java Server Faces? I am reading some information and it looks like they both rely on JSP to ge the job done. Struts can help you, but the views will have to be done as JSPs. Of course, you can alway compile JSPs into servlets, Ant can help you with it. Nix. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Slightly OT] MVC approach when JSP are not allowed
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:33:02PM -0500, Elihu Smails wrote: : I am working on a project that uses servlets exclusively. I would : like to take advantage of a Model-View-Controller system in order to : develop my servlets. : [snip] : So I ask the question. Since the requirement that I have is to use : servlets only, can I use something like Struts or Java Server Faces? : I am reading some information and it looks like they both rely on JSP : to ge the job done. Yes and no. Struts separates the calls business logic (Action classes) to the formatting of the display. The formatting defaults to JSP, but really, can be any resource in your context: another servlet, a Velocity template, etc. The real question is why the JSPs have been banned. If all such display components are not permitted in your project, handling raw HTML inside a servlet will be a maintenance nightmare. That's why JSPs were invented! -QM -- software -- http://www.brandxdev.net tech news -- http://www.RoarNetworX.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Slightly OT] MVC approach when JSP are not allowed
You could look into alternate MVC approachs like Freemarker, Velocity, or XSLT; these are processed by a servlet, but allow you to extract the presentation logic into a text-based template file. Also, as others have pointed out JSPs are compiled into servlets; and if you know your deployment target server then they can be precompiled. Elihu Smails wrote: I am working on a project that uses servlets exclusively. I would like to take advantage of a Model-View-Controller system in order to develop my servlets. For the last servlet project I worked on, I was in charge of the back-end data processing and did not have to mess with HTML. This time I do have to roll up my sleeves and play with HTML. So I ask the question. Since the requirement that I have is to use servlets only, can I use something like Struts or Java Server Faces? I am reading some information and it looks like they both rely on JSP to ge the job done. Thank you for your time... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Robert r. Sanders Chief Technologist iPOV (334) 821-5412 www.ipov.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Slightly OT] MVC approach when JSP are not allowed
Thanks for the information. I have not written a single JSP, but have alot of experience with Servlets. I am targetting Tomcat 5.5.x only, so I think it is safe to say that I can compile my JSP. Thanks again everyone for the help. On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:15:38 -0600, Robert r. Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could look into alternate MVC approachs like Freemarker, Velocity, or XSLT; these are processed by a servlet, but allow you to extract the presentation logic into a text-based template file. Also, as others have pointed out JSPs are compiled into servlets; and if you know your deployment target server then they can be precompiled. Elihu Smails wrote: I am working on a project that uses servlets exclusively. I would like to take advantage of a Model-View-Controller system in order to develop my servlets. For the last servlet project I worked on, I was in charge of the back-end data processing and did not have to mess with HTML. This time I do have to roll up my sleeves and play with HTML. So I ask the question. Since the requirement that I have is to use servlets only, can I use something like Struts or Java Server Faces? I am reading some information and it looks like they both rely on JSP to ge the job done. Thank you for your time... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Robert r. Sanders Chief Technologist iPOV (334) 821-5412 www.ipov.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Slightly OT] MVC approach when JSP are not allowed
Out of curiosity only, why were JSPs banned? That seems to be a bit of a mystery. Do they ban html too? Jack On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:33:02 -0500, Elihu Smails [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working on a project that uses servlets exclusively. I would like to take advantage of a Model-View-Controller system in order to develop my servlets. For the last servlet project I worked on, I was in charge of the back-end data processing and did not have to mess with HTML. This time I do have to roll up my sleeves and play with HTML. So I ask the question. Since the requirement that I have is to use servlets only, can I use something like Struts or Java Server Faces? I am reading some information and it looks like they both rely on JSP to ge the job done. Thank you for your time... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Slightly OT] MVC approach when JSP are not allowed
I am working on a project that uses servlets exclusively. I would like to take advantage of a Model-View-Controller system in order to develop my servlets. For the last servlet project I worked on, I was in charge of the back-end data processing and did not have to mess with HTML. This time I do have to roll up my sleeves and play with HTML. So I ask the question. Since the requirement that I have is to use servlets only, can I use something like Struts or Java Server Faces? I am reading some information and it looks like they both rely on JSP to ge the job done. Thank you for your time... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Slightly OT] MVC approach when JSP are not allowed
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 23:33 -0500, Elihu Smails wrote: I am working on a project that uses servlets exclusively. I would like to take advantage of a Model-View-Controller system in order to develop my servlets. For the last servlet project I worked on, I was in charge of the back-end data processing and did not have to mess with HTML. This time I do have to roll up my sleeves and play with HTML. So I ask the question. Since the requirement that I have is to use servlets only, can I use something like Struts or Java Server Faces? I am reading some information and it looks like they both rely on JSP to ge the job done. What is the reason for the ban on using JSPs? A JSP page gets converted into a servlet; in a sense JSP is just a different syntax for writing servlets in. If the reason is simply that the architects don't want run-time compilation of files, or don't want a java compiler available on the machine then JSPs can simply be precompiled. Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
