Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
Over a year ago, there was an attempt to setup a forum for Tomcat. It is actually still there at http://nagoya.apache.org/jive/index.jsp. It pretty much died for lack of interest. Chris Dodunski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How about an eForum that in addition to emailing the thread initialiser and post authors within that thread whenever a response is made, also emails the 'Tomcat Users List? Then those who resist change still get their mail en masse, and those who don't... don't. -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2003 6:10 a.m. To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, NormW wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:56:23 +1100 From: NormW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List Good morning Eric. I wasn't 'pushing' for a change as I will go back to just viewing the Archives until I need to pose another question; that's why I mentioned that I'm only new to TC and not even close to being able to help with 99% of what comes in my Inbox. That's what I liked with the Newsgroup format... I can browse them online, and, in the event I can offer some assistance, it's easy to do so...and don't have to wade through (66 this morning) a lot of messages I cannot do anyhing for. While pulling down particular threads is feasible, my knowledge isn't that 'compartmentalised'; I might know 4 facts on advanced config and 100 on where to find docs; AIX, Linux, Solaris, Windows 2K, etc I can provide a cup of coffee for. I gather the mailing lists have been going for a number of years so something must be working; I was just thinking it might have been easier. Thanks for the feedback though. Norm Any reasonable mail reader that supports sorting by thread, plus a simple filter rule to copy messages for each mailing list into their own folder, can give you exactly the same user experience as newsgroups. (Try Mozilla 1.3, for just one example). Plus, I can select offline mode and download all the messages, so I can browse them on my laptop offline, reply to them with send later, and sync up when I reconnect to the net. And none of this requires disrupting the lives of 2500 other TOMCAT-USER subscribers already using the mailing list. A newsgroup-only solution would disenfranchise all users who are behind corporate firewalls that block NNTP. That's totally unreasonable for a resource like TOMCAT-USER. As others have pointed out, there are unofficial mirrors for TOMCAT-USER that let you access the list's content via NNTP if you want -- but with someone else taking the administrative hassles for managing that. If you want *me* to answer questions, you can also assume that any eforum type interface is also a non-starter :-). I want mail to come to me, so that I can peruse it when *I* have a few minutes; not have to go to it. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
As you might have noticed from this reply, it is currently possible to access this list from the unsupported by, and in no way connected to or endorsed by Jakarta/Apache news group news://news.gmame.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.tomcat.user. NormW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Good afternoon All. Only new to the Tomcat User Mail List and may likely opt out soon to conserve my Inbox, but wanted to say that getting 91 emails in one session (2 were relevant to the question I asked) isn't helping me or likely of much use to anyone else for that matter either. (Perhaps my ISP who charges by the amount downloaded?) I have limited exposure to Tomcat and the docs and config files to some extent, so I probably could help a few, but not if I have to keep clearing my my Inbox every hour or so. Newsgroups are what I got used to for Netware, with the various products broken up into different categories like install, utils and so on, that ANYONE can browse, and if you see a message that you can offer some help to, just click on 'reply to group', say your piece and send; no cluttered Inboxes and, I suspect, a lot less traffic for the server. A moderator (unknown) vets/removes anything of a stupid/antisocial nature, and in five plus years that I've experienced it, it seems to have worked well. I've received emails recently that are proposing eForum(s), and, while the format is unknown to me, believe there is a sound basis for looking at changing the way the users list works, regardless of the method used. $0.02 Norm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
Having this resource available as a mailing list makes it better-accessible in the long run to the most people. Unlike an eforum or ecommunity, there is a standard storage format for all of the posts made to this list, which can be programmatically accessed and parsed by many email-specific libraries in many different programming languages. There is also an advanced suite of commands available by sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for human-based access to the information contained in this list. (For instance, did you know that you can send a string to the mailing list manager and have it return you a collection of all messages whose subject matches that string? This is one way that you can be sure to keep track of a thread without actually having to be subscribed to the list.) As has been mentioned before, you can make use of the (searchable) archives if you wish to browse the contents of the mailing list without subscribing. I do this all the time from home, where I am not subscribed to the list. You can make use of filters to help keep your Inbox from being cluttered. The Jakarta mailing lists all provide the List-Id header, and I find this is a reliable way to make sure that Tomcat mail goes into the Tomcat folder of my mail client. Further filters can help you focus on the content that you wish to read, for instance I filter out any email with mod_jk or IIS in the subject because I am not currently interested in those topics. No one should subscribe to mailing lists without using mail client software with filtering features (and if this is you, Mozilla is a robust and powerful mail client that supports all the latest doodads like IMAP and IIRC Bayesian spam filtering, etc). The list is available in digest form if you really can't handle multiple emails, and I have found the digest to be extremely well-designed (making use of multipart MIME messages for intelligent mail clients that know how to display this). Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get more information about this and other advanced mailing list features. That said, if you really want to push for a change, this isn't the appropriate forum for it -- the Jakarta Project has a General mailing list at the bottom of this page http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html where such discussions are held. Erik NormW wrote: Good afternoon All. Only new to the Tomcat User Mail List and may likely opt out soon to conserve my Inbox, but wanted to say that getting 91 emails in one session (2 were relevant to the question I asked) isn't helping me or likely of much use to anyone else for that matter either. (Perhaps my ISP who charges by the amount downloaded?) I have limited exposure to Tomcat and the docs and config files to some extent, so I probably could help a few, but not if I have to keep clearing my my Inbox every hour or so. Newsgroups are what I got used to for Netware, with the various products broken up into different categories like install, utils and so on, that ANYONE can browse, and if you see a message that you can offer some help to, just click on 'reply to group', say your piece and send; no cluttered Inboxes and, I suspect, a lot less traffic for the server. A moderator (unknown) vets/removes anything of a stupid/antisocial nature, and in five plus years that I've experienced it, it seems to have worked well. I've received emails recently that are proposing eForum(s), and, while the format is unknown to me, believe there is a sound basis for looking at changing the way the users list works, regardless of the method used. $0.02 Norm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
Good morning Eric. I wasn't 'pushing' for a change as I will go back to just viewing the Archives until I need to pose another question; that's why I mentioned that I'm only new to TC and not even close to being able to help with 99% of what comes in my Inbox. That's what I liked with the Newsgroup format... I can browse them online, and, in the event I can offer some assistance, it's easy to do so...and don't have to wade through (66 this morning) a lot of messages I cannot do anyhing for. While pulling down particular threads is feasible, my knowledge isn't that 'compartmentalised'; I might know 4 facts on advanced config and 100 on where to find docs; AIX, Linux, Solaris, Windows 2K, etc I can provide a cup of coffee for. I gather the mailing lists have been going for a number of years so something must be working; I was just thinking it might have been easier. Thanks for the feedback though. Norm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
Good morning Bill. No, I hadn't noticed. (Can't sleep and up early). Will check it out. Thanks for the feedback. Norm - Original Message - From: Bill Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List As you might have noticed from this reply, it is currently possible to access this list from the unsupported by, and in no way connected to or endorsed by Jakarta/Apache news group news://news.gmame.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.tomcat.user. NormW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Good afternoon All. Only new to the Tomcat User Mail List and may likely opt out soon to conserve my Inbox, but wanted to say that getting 91 emails in one session (2 were relevant to the question I asked) isn't helping me or likely of much use to anyone else for that matter either. (Perhaps my ISP who charges by the amount downloaded?) I have limited exposure to Tomcat and the docs and config files to some extent, so I probably could help a few, but not if I have to keep clearing my my Inbox every hour or so. Newsgroups are what I got used to for Netware, with the various products broken up into different categories like install, utils and so on, that ANYONE can browse, and if you see a message that you can offer some help to, just click on 'reply to group', say your piece and send; no cluttered Inboxes and, I suspect, a lot less traffic for the server. A moderator (unknown) vets/removes anything of a stupid/antisocial nature, and in five plus years that I've experienced it, it seems to have worked well. I've received emails recently that are proposing eForum(s), and, while the format is unknown to me, believe there is a sound basis for looking at changing the way the users list works, regardless of the method used. $0.02 Norm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, NormW wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:56:23 +1100 From: NormW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List Good morning Eric. I wasn't 'pushing' for a change as I will go back to just viewing the Archives until I need to pose another question; that's why I mentioned that I'm only new to TC and not even close to being able to help with 99% of what comes in my Inbox. That's what I liked with the Newsgroup format... I can browse them online, and, in the event I can offer some assistance, it's easy to do so...and don't have to wade through (66 this morning) a lot of messages I cannot do anyhing for. While pulling down particular threads is feasible, my knowledge isn't that 'compartmentalised'; I might know 4 facts on advanced config and 100 on where to find docs; AIX, Linux, Solaris, Windows 2K, etc I can provide a cup of coffee for. I gather the mailing lists have been going for a number of years so something must be working; I was just thinking it might have been easier. Thanks for the feedback though. Norm Any reasonable mail reader that supports sorting by thread, plus a simple filter rule to copy messages for each mailing list into their own folder, can give you exactly the same user experience as newsgroups. (Try Mozilla 1.3, for just one example). Plus, I can select offline mode and download all the messages, so I can browse them on my laptop offline, reply to them with send later, and sync up when I reconnect to the net. And none of this requires disrupting the lives of 2500 other TOMCAT-USER subscribers already using the mailing list. A newsgroup-only solution would disenfranchise all users who are behind corporate firewalls that block NNTP. That's totally unreasonable for a resource like TOMCAT-USER. As others have pointed out, there are unofficial mirrors for TOMCAT-USER that let you access the list's content via NNTP if you want -- but with someone else taking the administrative hassles for managing that. If you want *me* to answer questions, you can also assume that any eforum type interface is also a non-starter :-). I want mail to come to me, so that I can peruse it when *I* have a few minutes; not have to go to it. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
NormW wrote: While pulling down particular threads is feasible, my knowledge isn't that 'compartmentalised'; I might know 4 facts on advanced config and 100 on where to find docs; AIX, Linux, Solaris, Windows 2K, etc I can provide a cup of coffee for. Oh, what I meant was that an option would be to post a message to the list and then later in the day you could execute this command and feed it the subject you used when you posted your message to see all of the replies. This would spare you the traffic of the list but let you post and read messages. But I'm not entirely sure how the list is configured (as to whether or not you can post a message without being subscribed). And of course, if everyone /did/ do this, there wouldn't be much of a discussion on this list. ;) Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: User Interface To Tomcat User List
How about an eForum that in addition to emailing the thread initialiser and post authors within that thread whenever a response is made, also emails the 'Tomcat Users List? Then those who resist change still get their mail en masse, and those who don't... don't. -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2003 6:10 a.m. To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, NormW wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:56:23 +1100 From: NormW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List Good morning Eric. I wasn't 'pushing' for a change as I will go back to just viewing the Archives until I need to pose another question; that's why I mentioned that I'm only new to TC and not even close to being able to help with 99% of what comes in my Inbox. That's what I liked with the Newsgroup format... I can browse them online, and, in the event I can offer some assistance, it's easy to do so...and don't have to wade through (66 this morning) a lot of messages I cannot do anyhing for. While pulling down particular threads is feasible, my knowledge isn't that 'compartmentalised'; I might know 4 facts on advanced config and 100 on where to find docs; AIX, Linux, Solaris, Windows 2K, etc I can provide a cup of coffee for. I gather the mailing lists have been going for a number of years so something must be working; I was just thinking it might have been easier. Thanks for the feedback though. Norm Any reasonable mail reader that supports sorting by thread, plus a simple filter rule to copy messages for each mailing list into their own folder, can give you exactly the same user experience as newsgroups. (Try Mozilla 1.3, for just one example). Plus, I can select offline mode and download all the messages, so I can browse them on my laptop offline, reply to them with send later, and sync up when I reconnect to the net. And none of this requires disrupting the lives of 2500 other TOMCAT-USER subscribers already using the mailing list. A newsgroup-only solution would disenfranchise all users who are behind corporate firewalls that block NNTP. That's totally unreasonable for a resource like TOMCAT-USER. As others have pointed out, there are unofficial mirrors for TOMCAT-USER that let you access the list's content via NNTP if you want -- but with someone else taking the administrative hassles for managing that. If you want *me* to answer questions, you can also assume that any eforum type interface is also a non-starter :-). I want mail to come to me, so that I can peruse it when *I* have a few minutes; not have to go to it. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: User Interface To Tomcat User List
Having just spent the last half hour deleting 30-odd messages from my inbox, I feel honour-bound to contribute :o) (1) I use a 56k modem, and it takes ages to read and then clear my emails every few hours. An up-to-date thread-indexed site would be a great alternative. (2) I had to delete a number of emails to unblock my inbox, so this may have been said already: why can't postings be added instantly to the archive? (http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ and I'd be grateful if you looked at /msg89232.html) (3) The list works because we feel obliged to read other people's postings while we desperately wait for someone to answer ours; sometimes we realise we can help someone else while we wait. I think that if thread titles are clear enough, this can still work on a thread-indexed site - if you know the subject, jump in and contibute. If not, ignore it. Chris Agmen-Smith -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User Interface To Tomcat User List
The Mailing list ARChives at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ is fairly instant. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-userr=1b=200303w=2 -Tim Chris Agmen-Smith wrote: Having just spent the last half hour deleting 30-odd messages from my inbox, I feel honour-bound to contribute :o) (1) I use a 56k modem, and it takes ages to read and then clear my emails every few hours. An up-to-date thread-indexed site would be a great alternative. (2) I had to delete a number of emails to unblock my inbox, so this may have been said already: why can't postings be added instantly to the archive? (http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ and I'd be grateful if you looked at /msg89232.html) (3) The list works because we feel obliged to read other people's postings while we desperately wait for someone to answer ours; sometimes we realise we can help someone else while we wait. I think that if thread titles are clear enough, this can still work on a thread-indexed site - if you know the subject, jump in and contibute. If not, ignore it. Chris Agmen-Smith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User Interface To Tomcat User List
Good afternoon All. Only new to the Tomcat User Mail List and may likely opt out soon to conserve my Inbox, but wanted to say that getting 91 emails in one session (2 were relevant to the question I asked) isn't helping me or likely of much use to anyone else for that matter either. (Perhaps my ISP who charges by the amount downloaded?) I have limited exposure to Tomcat and the docs and config files to some extent, so I probably could help a few, but not if I have to keep clearing my my Inbox every hour or so. Newsgroups are what I got used to for Netware, with the various products broken up into different categories like install, utils and so on, that ANYONE can browse, and if you see a message that you can offer some help to, just click on 'reply to group', say your piece and send; no cluttered Inboxes and, I suspect, a lot less traffic for the server. A moderator (unknown) vets/removes anything of a stupid/antisocial nature, and in five plus years that I've experienced it, it seems to have worked well. I've received emails recently that are proposing eForum(s), and, while the format is unknown to me, believe there is a sound basis for looking at changing the way the users list works, regardless of the method used. $0.02 Norm
RE: User Interface To Tomcat User List
Hi, I suspect knowledgeable and helpful people are also very busy people, and unlikely to stick around when receiving 200+ emails come Monday morning! The community is great, the correspondence valuable. I frequent the www.codeguru.com Java Programmers forum, and it works astonishingly well. These forums are made available to eCommunities by independent parties - perhaps at a cost, I'm not sure. Actually, I'm developing an eForum in Java at present (private project), and I have the site to run it if required. If nothing has changed by the time it's complete, I'll offer it for free. Chris. -Original Message- From: NormW [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2003 4:37 p.m. To: Tomcat Users List Subject: User Interface To Tomcat User List Good afternoon All. Only new to the Tomcat User Mail List and may likely opt out soon to conserve my Inbox, but wanted to say that getting 91 emails in one session (2 were relevant to the question I asked) isn't helping me or likely of much use to anyone else for that matter either. (Perhaps my ISP who charges by the amount downloaded?) I have limited exposure to Tomcat and the docs and config files to some extent, so I probably could help a few, but not if I have to keep clearing my my Inbox every hour or so. Newsgroups are what I got used to for Netware, with the various products broken up into different categories like install, utils and so on, that ANYONE can browse, and if you see a message that you can offer some help to, just click on 'reply to group', say your piece and send; no cluttered Inboxes and, I suspect, a lot less traffic for the server. A moderator (unknown) vets/removes anything of a stupid/antisocial nature, and in five plus years that I've experienced it, it seems to have worked well. I've received emails recently that are proposing eForum(s), and, while the format is unknown to me, believe there is a sound basis for looking at changing the way the users list works, regardless of the method used. $0.02 Norm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
