Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
Great post, Wes. Propagation from here is even tougher than Tucson, although I probably have less noise. 73, Jim K9YC On 4/27/2024 2:14 PM, Wes Stewart via Topband wrote: That is true. Just getting permission to go there is problematic. See: https://www.dx-world.net/ft4gl-glorioso-island/ Despite chasing DX for 66 years, I was not on the air for the last, any only expedition in my memory, because I was busy trying to make a living. So Glorioso is the last one I need for #1 HR. I have yet to count any FT mode for DXCC and I would like to keep it that way, but at my age (82) there won't be another expedition in this lifetime. So even an FT contact will be welcomed here. From southern AZ even that is far from a given. This isn't a great path, but it's not impossible. What will make it so is QRM and with my current powerline noise, QRN. On a related note in this discussion, I support NCDXF (as do two DX clubs I'm a member of), INDEXA and Clublog. Additionally, I add personal support to, IMO, deserving expeditions. I've already sent Marek a Benjamin and if I get to make an OQRS request there might be another one or two. From all accounts it's still cheaper than playing golf. Wes N7WS _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
That is true. Just getting permission to go there is problematic. See: https://www.dx-world.net/ft4gl-glorioso-island/ Despite chasing DX for 66 years, I was not on the air for the last, any only expedition in my memory, because I was busy trying to make a living. So Glorioso is the last one I need for #1 HR. I have yet to count any FT mode for DXCC and I would like to keep it that way, but at my age (82) there won't be another expedition in this lifetime. So even an FT contact will be welcomed here. From southern AZ even that is far from a given. This isn't a great path, but it's not impossible. What will make it so is QRM and with my current powerline noise, QRN. On a related note in this discussion, I support NCDXF (as do two DX clubs I'm a member of), INDEXA and Clublog. Additionally, I add personal support to, IMO, deserving expeditions. I've already sent Marek a Benjamin and if I get to make an OQRS request there might be another one or two. From all accounts it's still cheaper than playing golf. Wes N7WS On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:54:58 PM MST, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: I read somewhere that Glorioso is a military base and all operators have to be French military personnel. Possibly, the limited pool of potential operators didn't include CW operators of DXpedition caliber. CW, unlike digital modes, actually requires skill, and considerable skill for DXpedition operation. 73 Rick N6RK On 4/26/2024 4:51 PM, Don Greenbaum wrote: >> digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair >> game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
I read somewhere that Glorioso is a military base and all operators have to be French military personnel. Possibly, the limited pool of potential operators didn't include CW operators of DXpedition caliber. CW, unlike digital modes, actually requires skill, and considerable skill for DXpedition operation. 73 Rick N6RK On 4/26/2024 4:51 PM, Don Greenbaum wrote: digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
So Steve, I guess you never worked any of those hundreds of DXpeditions on CW that the foundations did sponsor? I hate to tell you, but Glorioso is very rare, most of those who DO contribute to NCDXF and INDEXA need it. Besides, most of the QSOs made by most dxpeditions today on top band are not on CW. Sad but true. 73 Don N1DG NCDXF Treasurer CWops #2 At 07:07 PM 4/26/2024, Wes Stewart via Topband wrote: wrote: [snip] BUT I do draw the line at contributing to a DXpedition, like the present Glorioso one, that states outright they do NOT intend to operate any CW. That just rubs me entirely the wrong way, not to mention the fact that I will never be able to work and count them, regardless of how INDEXA or the NCDXF feel about such mode restrictions, and is the reason I cannot, and will not, fully support either of those organizations. Would I feel the same way if they said, instead, that they will not operate any digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other modes?? 8-D Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector Duxbury, MA 02332 _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
I'll try this again, the first attempt never came through. On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 04:12:51 PM MST, Wes Stewart wrote: Mia Culpa. Sorry, I misread your post to say nothing other than Digital. I will be happy with SSB and/or RTTY. FT4 and FT8 blah. Wes On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 04:07:11 PM MST, Wes Stewart wrote: Where did you get this idea? From the blog: https://ft4gl-blogspot-com.translate.goog/p/band-plan.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp Wes N7WS On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 03:06:07 PM MST, Steve Harrison wrote: [snip] BUT I do draw the line at contributing to a DXpedition, like the present Glorioso one, that states outright they do NOT intend to operate any CW. That just rubs me entirely the wrong way, not to mention the fact that I will never be able to work and count them, regardless of how INDEXA or the NCDXF feel about such mode restrictions, and is the reason I cannot, and will not, fully support either of those organizations. Would I feel the same way if they said, instead, that they will not operate any digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other modes?? 8-D Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
Mia Culpa. Sorry, I misread your post to say nothing other than Digital. I will be happy with SSB and/or RTTY. FT4 and FT8 blah. Wes On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 04:07:11 PM MST, Wes Stewart wrote: Where did you get this idea? From the blog: https://ft4gl-blogspot-com.translate.goog/p/band-plan.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp Wes N7WS On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 03:06:07 PM MST, Steve Harrison wrote: [snip] BUT I do draw the line at contributing to a DXpedition, like the present Glorioso one, that states outright they do NOT intend to operate any CW. That just rubs me entirely the wrong way, not to mention the fact that I will never be able to work and count them, regardless of how INDEXA or the NCDXF feel about such mode restrictions, and is the reason I cannot, and will not, fully support either of those organizations. Would I feel the same way if they said, instead, that they will not operate any digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other modes?? 8-D Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Okay, failure to communicate:-) On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 04:18:34 PM MST, Steve Harrison wrote: On 4/26/2024 3:59 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: You're preaching to the wrong choir. Read what I wrote more carefully. I wasn't preaching to you, Wes, but instead agreeing, and more, with what you said. Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
On 4/26/2024 3:59 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: You're preaching to the wrong choir. Read what I wrote more carefully. I wasn't preaching to you, Wes, but instead agreeing, and more, with what you said. Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
You're preaching to the wrong choir. Read what I wrote more carefully. On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 03:06:07 PM MST, Steve Harrison wrote: On 4/26/2024 2:10 PM, Wes Stewart via Topband wrote: > Stepping back onto the soapbox. > Gilles writes: " Is the rules even is not good hamspirit for a simple click > to sent the batch of DX'pedition QSO to LOTW server 6 mouth after date. > > I think this sums up what I was commenting on before. The members of > DXpeditons spend personal funds, foundations, corporate sponsors and > individual donors provide more funds, yet there can still be a shortfall. > The team endures hardships galore that I won't try to document to provide us > with new entities and excitement. Their last chance of financial recovery is > via QSL requests and yet some say, "Why should I pay for a simple mouse > click?" That's true; however, rember that you aren't simply paying for a "simple mouse click"; you're also paying for: a) all those hours you spent in the pileup with no pay forthcoming except, assuming you shells out a few extra greenbacks, a pretty fanchey-schmanchey postcard that's been run through a printer somewhere; b) all the electrons that went up through your power cord, got speeded up from 60 Hz (or DC from batteries or photons, in the case of solar-powered guys like myself) into ham band energy; c) all the hours of filament and cathode-depletion of your 6146s or 572Bs or 3CX800s or 8877s or 4CX1000s or even your LDMOSes or FETs; d) And just how many thousands did you spend on putting up that huge tower with the multi-kilobuck antler waving in the breeze at the top, not to mention your multi-kilobuck fanchey-schmanchey radio?? All of that costs each of us some bread, even if we don't tabulate it on an invoice. And folks still bitch, moan and groan about shelling out a couple or a few greenbacks for a confirmation... Personally, I don't mind contributing a couple of Lincolns or maybe a couple of Hamiltons or even a Jackson or two toward DXpeditions that are going to get me closer to either 160 DXCC (obligatory Topband content 8-) or the Honor Roll. BUT I do draw the line at contributing to a DXpedition, like the present Glorioso one, that states outright they do NOT intend to operate any CW. That just rubs me entirely the wrong way, not to mention the fact that I will never be able to work and count them, regardless of how INDEXA or the NCDXF feel about such mode restrictions, and is the reason I cannot, and will not, fully support either of those organizations. Would I feel the same way if they said, instead, that they will not operate any digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other modes?? 8-D Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
Where did you get this idea? From the blog: https://ft4gl-blogspot-com.translate.goog/p/band-plan.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp Wes N7WS On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 03:06:07 PM MST, Steve Harrison wrote: [snip] BUT I do draw the line at contributing to a DXpedition, like the present Glorioso one, that states outright they do NOT intend to operate any CW. That just rubs me entirely the wrong way, not to mention the fact that I will never be able to work and count them, regardless of how INDEXA or the NCDXF feel about such mode restrictions, and is the reason I cannot, and will not, fully support either of those organizations. Would I feel the same way if they said, instead, that they will not operate any digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other modes?? 8-D Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
On 4/26/2024 2:10 PM, Wes Stewart via Topband wrote: Stepping back onto the soapbox. Gilles writes: " Is the rules even is not good hamspirit for a simple click to sent the batch of DX'pedition QSO to LOTW server 6 mouth after date. I think this sums up what I was commenting on before. The members of DXpeditons spend personal funds, foundations, corporate sponsors and individual donors provide more funds, yet there can still be a shortfall. The team endures hardships galore that I won't try to document to provide us with new entities and excitement. Their last chance of financial recovery is via QSL requests and yet some say, "Why should I pay for a simple mouse click?" That's true; however, rember that you aren't simply paying for a "simple mouse click"; you're also paying for: a) all those hours you spent in the pileup with no pay forthcoming except, assuming you shells out a few extra greenbacks, a pretty fanchey-schmanchey postcard that's been run through a printer somewhere; b) all the electrons that went up through your power cord, got speeded up from 60 Hz (or DC from batteries or photons, in the case of solar-powered guys like myself) into ham band energy; c) all the hours of filament and cathode-depletion of your 6146s or 572Bs or 3CX800s or 8877s or 4CX1000s or even your LDMOSes or FETs; d) And just how many thousands did you spend on putting up that huge tower with the multi-kilobuck antler waving in the breeze at the top, not to mention your multi-kilobuck fanchey-schmanchey radio?? All of that costs each of us some bread, even if we don't tabulate it on an invoice. And folks still bitch, moan and groan about shelling out a couple or a few greenbacks for a confirmation... Personally, I don't mind contributing a couple of Lincolns or maybe a couple of Hamiltons or even a Jackson or two toward DXpeditions that are going to get me closer to either 160 DXCC (obligatory Topband content 8-) or the Honor Roll. BUT I do draw the line at contributing to a DXpedition, like the present Glorioso one, that states outright they do NOT intend to operate any CW. That just rubs me entirely the wrong way, not to mention the fact that I will never be able to work and count them, regardless of how INDEXA or the NCDXF feel about such mode restrictions, and is the reason I cannot, and will not, fully support either of those organizations. Would I feel the same way if they said, instead, that they will not operate any digital, or even voice, but only CW?? No, of course not; that's fair game, to me, since my only interest is CW, and who needs those other modes?? 8-D Steve, K0XP _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
Stepping back onto the soapbox. Gilles writes: " Is the rules even is not good hamspirit for a simple click to sent the batch of DX'pedition QSO to LOTW server 6 mouth after date. I think this sums up what I was commenting on before. The members of DXpeditons spend personal funds, foundations, corporate sponsors and individual donors provide more funds, yet there can still be a shortfall. The team endures hardships galore that I won't try to document to provide us with new entities and excitement. Their last chance of financial recovery is via QSL requests and yet some say, "Why should I pay for a simple mouse click?" Wes N7WS On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 03:09:41 PM MST, gilles desansac F6IRA wrote: Depending team's... but we knew that for I2YSB trips you will ALWAYS pay for QSL. Nosense for me but they are not alone into DX'peditions to do the business. Is the rules even is not good hamspirit for a simple click to sent the batch of DX'pedition QSO to LOTW server 6 mouth after date. Finaly is your choice to fight the pileups or not I do not ! Seventy three(s) Hopefully i'm always join teams with better QSL'ing feeling. F6IRA Le 22/04/2024 à 21:39, Bill Gillenwater a écrit : > I am a little confused with the QSL options for the Chad/TT8 operation > that is in progress. > > Most (and I say MOST) operations have 3 or more options for getting > QSO confirmation. > > I'm filling "band-slots" for Chad and basically want a LOTW > confirmation (eventually). > > You can donate "up-front" or pay $$ via the OQRS process. OQRS says > LOTW included with card request. > > Now, if I do none of the above, will they eventually dump the logs to > LOTW? I usually see a comment in DXpediton postings that eventually > you get a LOTW confirmation. Can't find that anywhere on this one. > > Thanks 73 Bill K3SV > > > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector Gilles DESANSAC F6IRA 55 Rue du stade 40410 Pissos Courriel : f6...@live.fr Tel : 06 27 58 22 46 _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
Depending team's... but we knew that for I2YSB trips you will ALWAYS pay for QSL. Nosense for me but they are not alone into DX'peditions to do the business. Is the rules even is not good hamspirit for a simple click to sent the batch of DX'pedition QSO to LOTW server 6 mouth after date. Finaly is your choice to fight the pileups or not I do not ! Seventy three(s) Hopefully i'm always join teams with better QSL'ing feeling. F6IRA Le 22/04/2024 à 21:39, Bill Gillenwater a écrit : I am a little confused with the QSL options for the Chad/TT8 operation that is in progress. Most (and I say MOST) operations have 3 or more options for getting QSO confirmation. I'm filling "band-slots" for Chad and basically want a LOTW confirmation (eventually). You can donate "up-front" or pay $$ via the OQRS process. OQRS says LOTW included with card request. Now, if I do none of the above, will they eventually dump the logs to LOTW? I usually see a comment in DXpediton postings that eventually you get a LOTW confirmation. Can't find that anywhere on this one. Thanks 73 Bill K3SV _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector Gilles DESANSAC F6IRA 55 Rue du stade 40410 Pissos Courriel : f6...@live.fr Tel : 06 27 58 22 46 _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
I agree. I think my frustration was not with the $$ as much as not being able to find anything about LOTW. After looking closer at the QSL website for TT8, I see it is right in front of my eyes. "A paper card, AND LOTW confirmation included." Old eyes I guess. 73 Bill On 4/22/2024 5:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 4/22/2024 2:00 PM, Wes Stewart via Topband wrote: Appears to me that if you want confirmation you pay up. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for free LoTW. I believe that if I want a confirmation from someone or group who has activated an entity, county, grid, IOTA, I should contribute to their costs. All I care about is LOTW, and my experience has been that if I make a contribution, large or small, I'll get it. 73, Jim K9YC _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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On 4/22/2024 2:00 PM, Wes Stewart via Topband wrote: Appears to me that if you want confirmation you pay up. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for free LoTW. I believe that if I want a confirmation from someone or group who has activated an entity, county, grid, IOTA, I should contribute to their costs. All I care about is LOTW, and my experience has been that if I make a contribution, large or small, I'll get it. 73, Jim K9YC _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
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Appears to me that if you want confirmation you pay up. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for free LoTW. I've heard that a lot of expeditions don't like Clublog OQRS because they require that free QSLs via the bureau be issued. So the only way to get tightwad Europeans and Asians* to pay up is to require it for a QSL. * See: "Who Pays for that New One?", QST, October 2018, pp 69-73. Quote: "And, while only 4% of North American stations request a QSL via the bureau, European and Asian bureau requests average 14%, and those stations do not contribute to the funding flow." Steps off soap box. Wes N7WS On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 12:42:51 PM MST, Bill Gillenwater wrote: I am a little confused with the QSL options for the Chad/TT8 operation that is in progress. Most (and I say MOST) operations have 3 or more options for getting QSO confirmation. I'm filling "band-slots" for Chad and basically want a LOTW confirmation (eventually). You can donate "up-front" or pay $$ via the OQRS process. OQRS says LOTW included with card request. Now, if I do none of the above, will they eventually dump the logs to LOTW? I usually see a comment in DXpediton postings that eventually you get a LOTW confirmation. Can't find that anywhere on this one. Thanks 73 Bill K3SV _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: TT8XX QSL Help
I am a little confused with the QSL options for the Chad/TT8 operation that is in progress. Most (and I say MOST) operations have 3 or more options for getting QSO confirmation. I'm filling "band-slots" for Chad and basically want a LOTW confirmation (eventually). You can donate "up-front" or pay $$ via the OQRS process. OQRS says LOTW included with card request. Now, if I do none of the above, will they eventually dump the logs to LOTW? I usually see a comment in DXpediton postings that eventually you get a LOTW confirmation. Can't find that anywhere on this one. Thanks 73 Bill K3SV _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
