Re: [topbraid-users] Abridged summary of topbraid-users@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

2014-06-06 Thread Jack Hodges
There may/will be others, perhaps similarly unusual. I will try TDB. I am
unfamiliar with it but assume this is something I can use directly from/in
TBCME. I will look at the documentation. Thank you Holger. I'll keep you
informed if there is anything to inform you about.

Jack


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Jack Hodges jhodgesa...@gmail.com Jun 05 12:06PM -0700

My apology, I meant class name searches in the navigator.

On my new Windows 7 laptop these searches take less than a minute, but
are
still noticeable.

I tried many configurations of memory and ...more
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Holger Knublauch hol...@topquadrant.com Jun 06 07:56AM +1000

On 6/6/2014 5:06, Jack Hodges wrote:
 My apology, I meant class name searches in the navigator.

 On my new Windows 7 laptop these searches take less than a minute,
but
 are still noticeable. ...more
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Jack Hodges jhodgesa...@gmail.com Jun 05 07:12PM -0700

Holger,

Here is the link to the major player in this exercise (the
Foundational
Model of Anatomy):

http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/FMAInOwl

I downloaded and load the owl file:
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Holger Knublauch hol...@topquadrant.com Jun 06 12:49PM +1000

Well, this (FMA) is a very unusual model - everything is an instance
of
some other instance (many levels deep) and the root of all that
(dl:Anatomical_entity_template) is an instance of itself but ...more
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Re: [topbraid-users] Model loading...taking forever

2014-06-06 Thread Jack Hodges
Creating a TDB seems like a good idea but I cannot find the 'Add Files' 
button referenced in the help blurb. Unless it is called something else in 
the UI.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, Holger Knublauch wrote:

  Well, this (FMA) is a very unusual model - everything is an instance of 
 some other instance (many levels deep) and the root of all that 
 (dl:Anatomical_entity_template) is an instance of itself but is not even 
 declared as a class! My previous speculations about the class tree were 
 irrelevant, but I assumed you were using some kind of flat class structure 
 used by many other bio ontologies.

 Anyway, I have loaded that file (took two minutes on my 8 GB Windows 7 
 machine) and exported it to TDB. Loading the TDB into TBC takes about 2 
 seconds. A SPARQL query such as

 SELECT ?type COUNT(?type)
 WHERE {
 ?subject rdf:type ?type .
 } GROUP BY ?type

 also responded within a second or two. Auto-complete in the main search 
 box in the tool bar is also responding very quickly for me (e.g. try dl:Liq 
 + CTRL-Space) which takes one second on my machine.

 The model has about 215k triples, which is not very large but certainly a 
 challenge for a machine with little memory (unless a database such as TDB 
 is used).

 I am not really sure what else to do next, as I am not able to reproduce 
 the severe slowness you report.

 Thanks,
 Holger



 On 6/6/2014 12:12, Jack Hodges wrote:
  
 Holger, 

  Here is the link to the major player in this exercise (the Foundational 
 Model of Anatomy):

  http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/FMAInOwl

  I downloaded and load the owl file:

  
 http://bioontology.org/projects/ontologies/fma/fmaOwlFullComponent_2_0.owl

  but they say it can be referenced:

  http://bioontology.org/projects/ontologies/fma

  Jack

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 2:57:02 PM UTC-7, Holger Knublauch wrote: 

 On 6/6/2014 5:06, Jack Hodges wrote: 
  My apology, I meant class name searches in the navigator. 
  
  On my new Windows 7 laptop these searches take less than a minute, but 
  are still noticeable. 

 Ok, auto-complete is indeed not optimized in TBC and the system may need 
 to walk through all 70k classes. I will record this as an enhancement 
 request. 

  I tried many configurations of memory and they have no impact on load 
  times for my models on this new machine. They remain at 11 minutes. I 
  am not sure why it was faster on the iMac but will time it again when 
  I am home again (where the iMac is). 

 Is the load time still 11 minutes if you have switched to TDB? 

 Also, I would like to drill down into your scenario a bit: could you 
 point me at the RDF files that you are playing with? 

 Thanks 
 Holger 

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