Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
castalla wrote: Well, it's simply software - so, in its preset incarnation (7.8) it offers all the music-server functionality and internet radio access independently from Logitech servers. Of course, there's no guarantee that an OS update on any given device won't break LMS. But then, if it works why fix it? There are also various hardware alternatives to the squeezebox players, eg. Raspberry Pi, Wandboard, etc. Yes, I was in the software business, and I know how things go. I have a Raspberry Pi and it is noisy on my system. I have 109db speakers though, so I hear things that others may not with less sensitive speakers. Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote: Yes, I was in the software business, and I know how things go. I have a Raspberry Pi and it is noisy on my system. I have 109db speakers though, so I hear things that others may not with less sensitive speakers. My Pi has always worked without any of the sound issues others report - you should maybe try a cheap usb soundcard? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio + remote Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote: I have 109db speakers though, so I hear things that others may not with less sensitive speakers. Huh? This makes no sense. Anyone with sufficient power can push their speakers to match whatever apparent loudness level yours deliver. I won't begin to doubt your ability to hear things that others may not. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Apesbrain wrote: Huh? This makes no sense. Anyone with sufficient power can push their speakers to match whatever apparent loudness level yours deliver. I won't begin to doubt your ability to hear things that others may not. Sure it does. A basic Fact in the Audiophile community. This from an Article. -SPEAKER SENSITIVITY SPEAKER SENSITIVITY IS CERTAINLY THE MOST IMPORTANT (AND MOST OFTEN OVERLOOKED) FACTOR DETERMINING WHETHER NOISE IS AN ISSUE. SENSITIVITY (EXPRESSED IN DECIBELS) IS THE AMOUNT OF LOUDNESS PRODUCED BY THE SPEAKER AT A GIVEN DISTANCE (USUALLY 1 METER), FOR A GIVEN INPUT SIGNAL (TYPICALLY 1 WATT). THE HIGHER THE RESULTING NUMBER, THE HIGHER THE SENSITIVITY. A SPEAKER RATED AT 90DB PRODUCES A LOUDER VOLUME THAN ONE RATED AT 85DB, WITH THE SAME INPUT. SPEAKERS WITH MEASURED SENSITIVITIES BELOW 85DB ARE CONSIDERED LOW SENSITIVITY, MODERATELY SENSITIVE SPEAKERS RANGE FROM THE MID 80S TO THE LOW 90S, AND HIGH SENSITIVITY SPEAKERS ABOVE THAT. THERE ARE VERY EFFICIENT SPEAKER SYSTEMS (TYPICALLY HORNS) RATED AT 100DB AND ABOVE. FROM THIS INFORMATION, IT IS NOT HARD TO SEE THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR NOISE BECOMES MUCH MORE OF AN ISSUE AS SPEAKER SENSITIVITY INCREASES. A GIVEN SET OF ELECTRONICS MATED WITH A LOW SENSITIVITY SPEAKER MAY PRODUCE NOISE LEVELS BARELY AUDIBLE JUST A FEW FEET AWAY, BUT SUBSTITUTE A VERY HIGH SENSITIVITY SPEAKER AND NOISE WILL BE EASILY HEARD AT THE LISTENING POSITION. - Here is the Link to the entire article. ' http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/systemnoise.html' (http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/systemnoise.html) Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote:
LMS and Touch are such an important part of my Stereo System that I
would not like to go without them.
Does anyone have any new information on what the future of LMS is? Or is
there any other product in the market that would have the same
functionality of a Touch and LMS?
It's too early to worry about this as long as you don't have an urgent
need to enhance your system with new devices:
- LMS is still maintained on the same level as it was a year ago, the
only difference is that that Touch hardware is now longer sold in the
warehouses.
- mysqueezebox.com is still maintained on the same level as it was a
year ago, the only difference is that we are now unlikely to get
completely new online services added.
- There are at least two projects going with community members that
looks promising
-- CommunitySqueeze that intends to make an affordable hardware player
with top notch audio quality
-- ickStream Music Platform that intends to make a new platform for
music streaming which will ensure online streaming services will also
work in the future
- There are a lot of smaller projects also except for the above two
I'm personally not that worried about LMS, if Logitech would stop
maintaining it I'm sure someone from the community would pick it up and
continue the maintenance. LMS is really good as music server and there
are a lot of skilled people in this community, so I doubt it will die as
long as this community exists. There is no reason for the community to
maintain their own version of LMS as long as Logitech handles the
maintenance satisfactory.
I'll start worry about mysqueezebox.com the day it starts to break, but
hopefully ickStream is in place before that happens and fortunately
Spotify will work already today through LMS and Triode's third party
Spotify plugin.
To my knowledge, there is currently nothing else on the market that can
match Touch+LMS from a feature perspective. If you want an eco system
for the whole house, Sonos is probably closest, but as we know it also
has some limitations. If you want high-end audio and can't wait for
CommunitySqueeze, you should probably look at one of the streaming
devices produced by a HiFi manufacturers, but they are usually not that
feature rich and they usually don't have different types of devices to
make it work as an affordable whole house solution. A Wandboard or
Raspberry Pi together with a decent USB DAC is a good DIY solution for a
headless player at the moment if you want something that's Squeezebox
compatible, just be aware that some of the mysqueezebox.com provided
online services will not work on such devices.
Based on this, my advice would be to wait and enjoy your Touch+LMS as
long as it works and start looking for something else when it starts to
break.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
If you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third
party plugin/applet development, 'consider purchasing some plugins'
(http://license.isaksson.info))
You may also want to try my Android apps 'Squeeze Display'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.squeezedisplay)
and 'RSS Photo Show'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.rssphotoshow)
*Interested in the future of music streaming ? 'ickStream - A world of
music at your fingertips'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98467-Pre-Announcement-ickStreamp=743516)*.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
erland, thanks for your very informative post!. I am very satisfied with LMS and my 4 Squeezebox touches and don't intend to do anything. And hopefully the software and hardware just keeps plugging away. I am interested in following the progress of CommunitySqueeze. Is there a website that posts progress updates on this? Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote:
I am interested in following the progress of CommunitySqueeze. Is there
a website that posts progress updates on this?
As I've understood it:
- Website: http://www.communitysqueeze.org/
- Announcement thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98521-Announce-Community-Squeeze
- Software thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1
- Hardware thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97881-Community-Funded-Squeezebox-Replacement-Would-you-be-interested
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
If you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third
party plugin/applet development, 'consider purchasing some plugins'
(http://license.isaksson.info))
You may also want to try my Android apps 'Squeeze Display'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.squeezedisplay)
and 'RSS Photo Show'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.rssphotoshow)
*Interested in the future of music streaming ? 'ickStream - A world of
music at your fingertips'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98467-Pre-Announcement-ickStreamp=743516)*.
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erland wrote: as i've understood it: - website: http://www.communitysqueeze.org/ - announcement thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98521-announce-community-squeeze - software thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-community-squeeze-os-f19-release-1 - hardware thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97881-community-funded-squeezebox-replacement-would-you-be-interested t h a n k y o u !!! Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
LMS and Touch are such an important part of my Stereo System that I would not like to go without them. Does anyone have any new information on what the future of LMS is? Or is there any other product in the market that would have the same functionality of a Touch and LMS? Thanks for comments. Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
I think that search is still working... but i recall this http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99885-What-s-new-in-7-8-0-compared-to-7-7-4 Main: Receiver (Audiocom) - Beresford Caiman+ (Gatorized) - Carver A-500x - BW 704 Office: Receiver - Luxman L-210 - Stax SR84 Pro - Beresford Caiman (Gatorized) - Superlux HD668B Server: A8-5500, 4 GB, SSD+ 2*1 TB, Win8 w. SBS 7.8 (SQLite w. High Mem) Tied together by D-Link DIR-655 + DGS-1008D slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote: LMS and Touch are such an important part of my Stereo System that I would not like to go without them. Does anyone have any new information on what the future of LMS is? Or is there any other product in the market that would have the same functionality of a Touch and LMS? Thanks for comments. The closest is the Joggler - sadly also discontinued - but used examples are still available on ebay at reasonable prices. LMS will work as long as the device it's on continues working! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio + remote Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
castalla wrote: LMS will work as long as the device it's on continues working! Interesting. Could you expand on that please? Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote: Interesting. Could you expand on that please? Well, it's simply software - so, in its preset incarnation (7.8) it offers all the music-server functionality and internet radio access independently from Logitech servers. Of course, there's no guarantee that an OS update on any given device won't break LMS. But then, if it works why fix it? There are also various hardware alternatives to the squeezebox players, eg. Raspberry Pi, Wandboard, etc. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio + remote Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99970 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
