[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
This should actually be fix released. It's also fixed in xenial now with 1.2.15 being in -updates now ** Changed in: apt (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
That sounds like an interesting idea. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
On 2016-11-04 10:01, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > I want the ability to have translations in apt prefer those from the > langpack, I suppose it would be possible to special case apt in Ubuntu by patching bindtextdomain() in apt-pkg/init.cc. Not able to tell if it's a good idea. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
It might have been mixed up with additional translations. That is, a language missing in the package can still be translated by the language pack. I'm not entirely sure what the argument was back then anymore, but something like that was how it was explained to me. OK let's be clearer: I want the ability to have translations in apt prefer those from the langpack, if we ever manage to properly import templates into launchpad (nobody seems to really respond to my inquiries about that in IRC). Or rather: Give me an option to tell gettext to prefer the translations file with more translations: At the beginning, apt will likely ship a more complete one, but as time goes on, the language pack can be easily updated. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
> The correct approach is to have gettext look into the langpack translations first, and then fall back to the package's translations. No, it's not. Normal/released Ubuntu packages get their translations stripped out of the debs. But if you install a backport, third-party package, or self-built package, you want to see the translation that it ships, not the Ubuntu translations as they now apply to an older version only. Hence /usr/share/locale/ must have precedence over /usr/share /locale-langpack/. There are just a handful of packages which you need for upgrading and *installing* langpacks which have their translations built-in, like apt or language-selector. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
The correct approach is to have gettext look into the langpack translations first, and then fall back to the package's translations. That's also the way it was explained to work: Packages ship initial translations for bootstrapping purposes, and those can be updated via language packs. I have no intention to ship translations from Launchpad in apt. That would mean diverging from the upstream packaging, which I have no intention to, I'm happy we got that working without a diff now. If people want to help with the translations apt ships, they can do that _upstream_ (talk to the previous translators, and take over if they don't respond). That said, even if I wanted to, merging the translations from launchpad would be a pain in the ass: First of all, the translation templates are not remotely up-to-date (only since 1.3 there's a chance for Launchpad to import them, previous versions only had templates without any of the headers). Thus, Xenial does not have templates suitable for the apt version it ships with, but rather for 1.0something or similar. Secondly, the translation templates in launchpad are the split ones - APT's build system requires a merged translation file of all domains. What we can do, if neccessary, is fix translations in the stable branches for strings not in master. But that really needs review by the appropriate channels upstream as well. And especially for 17.04 and 17.10 - those will get the same release series as the next Debian stable release. For Ubuntu-only branches, we can probably relax the translation-ML-must-review requirement, but it seems a bit rude. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
I talked with Martin Pitt, who let me know that it's intentional behavior that gettext gives precedence to /usr/share/locale over /usr/share/locale-langpack. apt is one of those 'special' packages in main where the translations shipped with the source package are not stripped at build time. It means that the apt.mo files installed by the language packs are not effective (as we have already figured out). So in case of apt (and a few other special packages) translation updates need to go into the package to make a difference to the users. @Julian: The Xenial template in Launchpad seems to have been updated 2016-03-25 (attached). The easiest (I think) way to get the actual translations is to download them from Launchpad, and simply replace the PO files in the package. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/apt/+pots/apt There shouldn't be a need to manually merge as you described. (Possibly I have missed something.) ** Attachment added: "build_po_apt.pot" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1637801/+attachment/4772060/+files/build_po_apt.pot ** No longer affects: gettext (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
Yes, the translations are updated to relatively recent ones from 1.3~rc3 in 1.2.15. I still need to write down a "merge translations" script, as I forgot how I did it when I did that (otherwise we'd have the 1.3.1 translations already). Basically what I'm doing is merge the 1.2 template with the 1.2 translations *and* the 1.3 translations, thus giving us updates for existing translations and adding any previously untranslated strings that exist in 1.2. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Status in gettext package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
Thanks for letting us know, Julian. That will hopefully bring more up- to-date translations, installed by apt in /usr/share/locale, into Xenial. I'm going to follow up why gettext ignores the apt.mo files in /usr/share/locale-langpack. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Status in gettext package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
SRU bugs = bug #1595177 and bug #1638021 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Status in gettext package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
Ah right. It's fixed in 1.2.13 and newer, so see the relevant SRU bugs for those. ** Changed in: apt (Ubuntu) Status: New => Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Status in gettext package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
Thanks for pointing out that, Maxim. (I should have thought of doing so.) So this is not a problem with the language pack generation, after all. At this time I think the explanation is a combination of a few things. To begin with, the apt package installs MO files in /usr/share/locale. $ dpkg -L apt | grep ru.*mo$ /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/apt.mo Those MO files are apparently not updated in Xenial. At the same time gettext seems to pick those files at first hand, while using /usr/share /locale-langpack as fallback. (I thought that gettext should do it the other way around.) So the result is: $ echo $(LANGUAGE=ru gettext -d apt '[upgradable from: %s]') [может быть обновлён до: %s] $ echo $(LANGUAGE=ru TEXTDOMAINDIR=/usr/share/locale-langpack \ > gettext -d apt '[upgradable from: %s]') [возможно обновление с: %s] If this gettext behavior is wrong, I suppose this should be fixed in gettext. If not, there is a need to update the translations in the apt package for Xenial. ** Project changed: langpack-o-matic => gettext (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: apt (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: New Status in gettext package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
Well, I converted /usr/share/locale-langpack/ru/LC_MESSAGES/apt.mo to po-file and I see this string: msgstr "[возможно обновление с: %s]" It is correct translation and I have no idea why apt doesn't use it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in langpack-o-matic: New Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
On 2016-10-31 07:42, Sergey Alyoshin wrote: > It is already fixed. Hmm.. So it seems, but still: On 2016-06-02 the string was changed to "[возможно обновление с: %s]" in Launchpad: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/apt/+pots/apt/ru/100 The language-pack-ru-base package in xenial-updates was built on 2016-06-27, so that change ought to be reflected on an updated Xenial install. However, for some reason it's not: $ dpkg-query -W language-pack-ru-base language-pack-ru-base 1:16.04+20160627 $ echo $(LANGUAGE=ru gettext -d apt '[upgradable from: %s]') [может быть обновлён до: %s] Upgrading the language-pack-ru package to the one in xenial-proposed does not help: $ dpkg-query -W language-pack-ru language-pack-ru1:16.04+20161009 $ echo $(LANGUAGE=ru gettext -d apt '[upgradable from: %s]') [может быть обновлён до: %s] @Martin: I think this is something for you to take a look at. ** Also affects: langpack-o-matic Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Importance: Medium => Undecided ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Confirmed => Invalid ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Assignee: Russian Ubuntu Translators (ubuntu-l10n-ru) => (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in langpack-o-matic: New Status in Ubuntu Translations: Invalid Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
It is already fixed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Confirmed Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
And JFTR, I can confirm that the translations we ship with apt itself are correct, so this really is a language pack-only issue. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Confirmed Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1637801] Re: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results
I can confirm that current translation is incorrect. ** Summary changed: - Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeabe" results + Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1637801 Title: Incorrect Russian translation of "apt list --upgradeable" results Status in Ubuntu Translations: Confirmed Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ apt list --upgradeable Вывод списка… Готово build/неизвестно 20161025 all [может быть обновлён до: 20151105] In Russian this means "version 20161025 can be upgraded TO version 20151105) While original English says exactly opposite: bor@bor-Latitude-E5450:~$ LC_ALL=C LANG=C apt list --upgradeable Listing... Done build/unknown 20161025 all [upgradable from: 20151105] Literal translation (that does not require serious phrase change) would probably be "может быть обновлен с" although it sounds also artificial, as in Russian subject is package that is being updated (currently installed), not new version. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: apt 1.2.12~ubuntu16.04.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1-generic 4.8.1 Uname: Linux 4.8.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Sun Oct 30 09:39:47 2016 DistributionChannelDescriptor: # This is a distribution channel descriptor # For more information see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionChannelDescriptor canonical-oem-somerville-trusty-amd64-20140620-0 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-02 (485 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 "Trusty" - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20140620-04:25 SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-10-29 (0 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1637801/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
